From arnold140@verizon.net Sat, 01 Oct 2016 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <28069871.391172.1475365643759.JavaMail.root@tvweb133067.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: reminder Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 18:47:23 -0500 (CDT) Dear PBs'ers: When sending payments by check or through PayPal it makes life a bit easier when the BX/SX number is attached. there is an area on each PayPal transaction to add a note. We have grown over the years so we have many transactions on each BX/SX. Checks should be made out to the PBS and not me. Thanks for all the notes and letters of thanks over the years. Arnold Treasurer. From mdoming@gmail.com Sat, 01 Oct 2016 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Victor_Hugo_Men=C3=A9ndez_Dom=C3=ADnguez?= Subject: reminder Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 18:54:04 -0500 Hi Arnold !! I have four payment for do. I have one problem with my paypal account. Specifically, is the payment done by option "send money" ? Regards !! El sábado, 1 de octubre de 2016, escribió: > Dear PBs'ers: > > When sending payments by check or through PayPal it makes life a bit > easier when the BX/SX number is attached. > > there is an area on each PayPal transaction to add a note. > > We have grown over the years so we have many transactions on each BX/SX. > > Checks should be made out to the PBS and not me. > > Thanks for all the notes and letters of thanks over the years. > > Arnold > Treasurer. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Saludos Víctor Hugo _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From arnold140@verizon.net Sat, 01 Oct 2016 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <2908623.391264.1475366197248.JavaMail.root@tvweb133067.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: reminder Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 18:56:37 -0500 (CDT) Victor: Yes , from the PayPal account select send money and put this address in: pbs.treasury@verizon.net You can add a note detailing what the payment is for. Thanks, Arnold On 10/01/16, Victor Hugo Menéndez Domínguez wrote: Hi Arnold !! I have four payment for do. I have one problem with my paypal account. Specifically, is the payment done by option "send money" ? Regards !! El sábado, 1 de octubre de 2016, escribió: > Dear PBs'ers: > > When sending payments by check or through PayPal it makes life a bit > easier when the BX/SX number is attached. > > there is an area on each PayPal transaction to add a note. > > We have grown over the years so we have many transactions on each BX/SX. > > Checks should be made out to the PBS and not me. > > Thanks for all the notes and letters of thanks over the years. > > Arnold > Treasurer. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Saludos Víctor Hugo _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com Sun, 02 Oct 2016 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: youngs Subject: News from the Scottish Rock Garden Club Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 15:04:11 +0100 > News from the Scottish Rock Garden Club ..... > > IRG 81 September 2016 - can be downloaded here: > http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Sep291475167835IRG_81.pdf > > This month in the IRG - International Rock Gardener e-magazine, free > each month on the Scottish Rock Garden Club Website - > > we discover what floral pleasures may be found over winter and early > spring in Spain - > > a country where some of us are lucky enough to travel at such times. > Gerrit Eijkelenboom tells us about the plants he and his wife, Iep, > > enjoy while they spend the winter months near Calpe. Matt Topsfield > also journeyed to Spain last March - > > to make a study of the narcissus in flower then, following the earlier > example of John Blanchard in 1986 – > > Matt shares with us here some of the other flowers he found on the > trip, which was partly supported by an SRGC Exploration Grant and part > “crowd-funded”. > > More about the Matt's narcissus observations will appear in the > journal of the SRGC in due course. > > Those wishing to obtain a digital copy of Matt's full report - please > see this message in the forum > http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13808.msg364729#msg364729 > > A reminder, too, that all issues of the IRG, including an index, can > be found here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=international > > and all issues of the weekly Bulb Log - also free - may be found via > this page: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb > > Regards, > > M. Young > > > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From hk@icarustrading.com Sun, 02 Oct 2016 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: From HK Subject: News from the Scottish Rock Garden Club Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 10:12:33 -0400 Thank u for posting M. Young. On Sunday, October 2, 2016, youngs wrote: > News from the Scottish Rock Garden Club ..... >> >> IRG 81 September 2016 - can be downloaded here: >> http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Sep291475167835IRG_81.pdf >> >> This month in the IRG - International Rock Gardener e-magazine, free >> each month on the Scottish Rock Garden Club Website - >> >> we discover what floral pleasures may be found over winter and early >> spring in Spain - >> >> a country where some of us are lucky enough to travel at such times. >> Gerrit Eijkelenboom tells us about the plants he and his wife, Iep, >> >> enjoy while they spend the winter months near Calpe. Matt Topsfield also >> journeyed to Spain last March - >> >> to make a study of the narcissus in flower then, following the earlier >> example of John Blanchard in 1986 – >> >> Matt shares with us here some of the other flowers he found on the trip, >> which was partly supported by an SRGC Exploration Grant and part >> “crowd-funded”. >> >> More about the Matt's narcissus observations will appear in the journal >> of the SRGC in due course. >> >> Those wishing to obtain a digital copy of Matt's full report - please >> see this message in the forum >> http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13808.msg364729#msg364729 >> >> A reminder, too, that all issues of the IRG, including an index, can be >> found here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=international >> >> and all issues of the weekly Bulb Log - also free - may be found via >> this page: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb >> >> Regards, >> >> M. Young >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From makikogotowiderman@me.com Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:15:25 -0700 Hello, I am looking for narcissus bulbs. Do you know a good source to contact? N. Poeticus subsp. radiiforus, N. poeticus bar. majalis, N. medioluteus, N. Tazetta Scilly White and N. panizzianus. Makiko Goto-Widerman Southern California Sent from my iPhone From robin@hansennursery.com Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <001e01d21d92$0568f140$103ad3c0$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 09:20:12 -0700 Makiko, In addition to our own bulb exchange, which often has rare and uncommon bubls, you might check Brent and Becky's Bulbs online. I just received an order, and bulbs were nicely-sized, order was accurate and prompt. Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Makiko Goto-Widerman Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 11:15 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta Hello, I am looking for narcissus bulbs. Do you know a good source to contact? N. Poeticus subsp. radiiforus, N. poeticus bar. majalis, N. medioluteus, N. Tazetta Scilly White and N. panizzianus. Makiko Goto-Widerman Southern California Sent from my iPhone ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7797 / Virus Database: 4656/13135 - Release Date: 10/02/16 From ds429@frontier.com Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1091511853.8934894.1475526204948@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 20:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Odyssey Bulbs, and maybe Bill the Bulb Baron? -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 10/3/16, Hansen Nursery wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Date: Monday, October 3, 2016, 12:20 PM Makiko, In addition to our own bulb exchange, which often has rare and uncommon bubls, you might check Brent and Becky's Bulbs online.  I just received an order, and bulbs were nicely-sized, order was accurate and prompt. Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Makiko Goto-Widerman Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 11:15 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta Hello, I am looking for narcissus bulbs. Do you know a good source to contact? N. Poeticus subsp. radiiforus, N. poeticus bar. majalis, N. medioluteus, N. Tazetta Scilly White and N. panizzianus. Makiko Goto-Widerman Southern California Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7797 / Virus Database: 4656/13135 - Release Date: 10/02/16 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From makikogotowiderman@me.com Mon, 03 Oct 2016 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:23:52 -0700 Dell, Thank you. Makiko On Oct 3, 2016, at 1:23 PM, ds429 wrote: > Odyssey Bulbs, and maybe Bill the Bulb Baron? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 10/3/16, Hansen Nursery wrote: > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Date: Monday, October 3, 2016, 12:20 PM > > Makiko, > > In addition to our own bulb > exchange, which often has rare and uncommon > bubls, you might check Brent and Becky's > Bulbs online. I just received an > order, > and bulbs were nicely-sized, order was accurate and > prompt. > > Robin > Hansen Nursery > robin@hansennursery.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] > On Behalf Of Makiko > Goto-Widerman > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 11:15 PM > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Narcissus poeticus and > Tazetta > > Hello, > I am looking for narcissus bulbs. Do you know a > good source to contact? > > N. > Poeticus subsp. radiiforus, N. poeticus bar. majalis, N. > medioluteus, N. > Tazetta Scilly White and N. > panizzianus. > > Makiko > Goto-Widerman > Southern California > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7797 / Virus Database: > 4656/13135 - Release Date: 10/02/16 > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From makikogotowiderman@me.com Mon, 03 Oct 2016 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 16:47:56 -0700 Robin, Thank you. Makiko On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > Makiko, > > In addition to our own bulb exchange, which often has rare and uncommon > bubls, you might check Brent and Becky's Bulbs online. I just received an > order, and bulbs were nicely-sized, order was accurate and prompt. > > Robin > Hansen Nursery > robin@hansennursery.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Makiko > Goto-Widerman > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 11:15 PM > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Narcissus poeticus and Tazetta > > Hello, > I am looking for narcissus bulbs. Do you know a good source to contact? > > N. Poeticus subsp. radiiforus, N. poeticus bar. majalis, N. medioluteus, N. > Tazetta Scilly White and N. panizzianus. > > Makiko Goto-Widerman > Southern California > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7797 / Virus Database: 4656/13135 - Release Date: 10/02/16 > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Thu, 06 Oct 2016 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <701765.27371.bm@smtp233.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 411 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 13:35:40 -0400 Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 411" in the subject line.         SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Dell's email address ds429@frontier.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Kathleen Sayce: 1. Seeds of Nerine angustifolia (FEW) From Rimmer de Vries: 2.  Calostemma purpureum seed. these germinate quickly in the fall on the ground. i start them outside in a plunged pot and bring the pot in when it gets cold before freezing,  plants keep leaves until about June - July when the leaves start to fade, mature plants send up flower stems in August and drop big fat seeds in September,  some leaves may stay while flowering but new ones emerge at or after flowering 3. Ornithogalum caudatum- aka False sea onion or pregnant onion. (Albuca bracteata?) offsets and bulbils.  these  bulblets will form a 2-3” dia surface mounted bulbs in a year or 2 and send up a 24 inch flower stalk of small whitish flowers in winter.  keep moist while in growth, never full dormant but less water in summer. From Karl Church: (Small bulbs/comes): 4. Albuca clanwilliamae-gloria 5. Gladiolus tristis 6. Oxalis glabra 7. Oxalis purpurea, pink 8. Tritonia laxifolia 9. Ixia longituba var. bellendenii 10. Lachenalia mutabilis ex Swartz, BX 181 11. Lachenalia mutabilis ex CSSA 12. Lachenalia mutabilis ex BX 353 13. Oxalis caprina, ex Ittner 14. Oxalis bowiei, pink, ex BX 338 15. Tritonia deusta, selfed 16. Freesia laxa 17. Lachenalia mediana 18. Lachenalia viridiflora 19. Gladiolus uysiae 20. Babiana ‘Purple Haze’, ex Wickham 21. Lachenalia aloides 22. Ferraria divaricata subsp. arenosa, ex Telos 23. Ferraria crispa, dark form, ex BX 343 Thank you, Kathleen, Rimmer, And Karl !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Sat, 08 Oct 2016 06:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1895435975.520899.1475930578249@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: PBS BX 411 CLOSED Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 12:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Packages should go out in a week. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat, 08 Oct 2016 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <7e2309f0-c05f-9ec0-672a-9a004f3d15ac@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:Amoreuxia wrightii Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:58:28 -0700 The following inquiry came via the PBS website. Please write directly to Donna Anderson if you can help her find seeds of this species. Thanks, Jane McGary -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PBS website contact:Amoreuxia wrightii Date: 08 Oct 2016 17:17:23 -0400, Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Apache Reply-To: Donna Anderson To: janemcgary@earthlink.net This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. Hi, do you know where I could find seeds? Thanks! -- Pacific Bulb Society web site email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org From gardenbetter@gmail.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shmuel Silinsky Subject: Boweia volubilis emergency! Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 05:43:18 -0400 Hello all, I was repotting my Boweia (about 2 inches diameter) and the new shoot broke off below the "leaf buds". Last year's stem is yellowed, the "false shoot" came up and dried as usual and the real one started coming up and then... my mistake. All I have now is a smooth stem about 4 inches long coming form the bulb. Is that the end for this year? Will it sprout another stem, or is there only one per year? Alas! Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. All the best, Shmuel Silinsky Jerusalem, Israel Get a signature like this: Click here! From enoster@hotmail.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 06:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Colchicum as a pollinator plant Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:28:02 +0000 Hi, Autumn blooming Colchicum in my garden always seem to be covered in bees. I did a little research and concluded that they are in fact bee pollinated (perhaps fly pollinated for alpine species), while at least a few species of the closely related Androcymbium are in fact rodent pollinated. This article focus solely on fall blooming colchicums: http://www.amateuranthecologist.com/2016/10/colchicum.html I hope all of you that are US residents are coping well despite the deathmatch that is this presidential election. Oh well, none of it will matter anyway after the reptilians make their move. Or aliens invade. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR www.amateuranthecologist.com www.oldsolbees.com www.pacificbulbsociety.org From eciton@utexas.edu Tue, 11 Oct 2016 06:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: From: Monica Swartz Subject: Boweia volubilis emergency! Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 07:38:15 -0500 Hi Shmuel, don't worry, your Boweia is fine. In some growing areas, B. volubilis will keep making the vining flower stalks all year. In others, it takes a short rest in the winter. B. volubilis is a very tough plant. You can even take off chunks of the fleshy bulb scales, bury them shallow, and you will soon have a bunch of baby offsets (this does not work with B. gariepensis, winter-growing and much fussier). Hope this helps. m From thomasmasinter@gmail.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3CAF9635-02F4-4680-A563-602ECB7D743E@gmail.com> From: Thomas Masinter Subject: Colchicum as a pollinator plant Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 08:24:48 -0500 Yes, concerning the election, I am trying to decide whether to learn mandarin so I can communicate with our new Chinese overlords, or learn Russian so I can barter my skills as a gardener more effectively. My sternbergia lutea is blooming. Tom Masinter San Antonio, TX > On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Travis O wrote: > > Hi, > > Autumn blooming Colchicum in my garden always seem to be covered in bees. I did a little research and concluded that they are in fact bee pollinated (perhaps fly pollinated for alpine species), while at least a few species of the closely related Androcymbium are in fact rodent pollinated. This article focus solely on fall blooming colchicums: > > http://www.amateuranthecologist.com/2016/10/colchicum.html > > I hope all of you that are US residents are coping well despite the deathmatch that is this presidential election. Oh well, none of it will matter anyway after the reptilians make their move. Or aliens invade. > > Travis Owen > Rogue River, OR > > www.amateuranthecologist.com > www.oldsolbees.com > www.pacificbulbsociety.org > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ralph.carpenter1@googlemail.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: John Ralph Carpenter Subject: Colchicum as a pollinator plant Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:20:28 +0100 Those of us in the UK look on, in a mixture of disbelief and horror. On 11 October 2016 at 14:24, Thomas Masinter wrote: > Yes, concerning the election, I am trying to decide whether to learn > mandarin so I can communicate with our new Chinese overlords, or learn > Russian so I can barter my skills as a gardener more effectively. > > My sternbergia lutea is blooming. > > Tom Masinter > San Antonio, TX > > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Travis O wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Autumn blooming Colchicum in my garden always seem to be covered in > bees. I did a little research and concluded that they are in fact bee > pollinated (perhaps fly pollinated for alpine species), while at least a > few species of the closely related Androcymbium are in fact rodent > pollinated. This article focus solely on fall blooming colchicums: > > > > http://www.amateuranthecologist.com/2016/10/colchicum.html > > > > I hope all of you that are US residents are coping well despite the > deathmatch that is this presidential election. Oh well, none of it will > matter anyway after the reptilians make their move. Or aliens invade. > > > > Travis Owen > > Rogue River, OR > > > > www.amateuranthecologist.com > > www.oldsolbees.com > > www.pacificbulbsociety.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Ralph Carpenter 2 & 3 Stone Cottages Chilmington Green Great Chart Ashford Kent TN23 3DW 01233 637567 From bobguffanti@comcast.net Tue, 11 Oct 2016 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3C872F19-DB20-4D4A-BBE6-37A6D781DC88@comcast.net> From: Bob Guffanti Subject: Bowiea Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 07:43:22 -0700 My experience with them is that they're very forgiving. They are capable of putting on new shoots at any time, not absolutely requiring a complete dormancy. A new shoot should be on the way shortly. Mine is now a clump of several two inch or more bulbs. I've been growing it for about five years. It's in a tricky spot: under a skylight, on top of a kitchen cabinet. Erratic care comes with the territory. Bob Guffanti Lurker, not yet a member. From teck11@embarqmail.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 08:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <000e01d223d0$34d1a550$9e74eff0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: Colchicum as a pollinator plant Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:00:27 -0400 Since the subject hasn't been curtailed yet, I'm looking forward to Michelle Obama running in 2024. (With a little martial arts training I think she could take on Putin mano a mano.) Tim Eck When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he says something that is not trivial, then it is false. Gauss > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Thomas > Masinter > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 9:25 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Colchicum as a pollinator plant > > Yes, concerning the election, I am trying to decide whether to learn mandarin > so I can communicate with our new Chinese overlords, or learn Russian so I > can barter my skills as a gardener more effectively. > > My sternbergia lutea is blooming. > > Tom Masinter > San Antonio, TX > > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Travis O wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Autumn blooming Colchicum in my garden always seem to be covered in > bees. I did a little research and concluded that they are in fact bee pollinated > (perhaps fly pollinated for alpine species), while at least a few species of the > closely related Androcymbium are in fact rodent pollinated. This article focus > solely on fall blooming colchicums: > > > > http://www.amateuranthecologist.com/2016/10/colchicum.html > > > > I hope all of you that are US residents are coping well despite the > deathmatch that is this presidential election. Oh well, none of it will matter > anyway after the reptilians make their move. Or aliens invade. > > > > Travis Owen > > Rogue River, OR > > > > www.amateuranthecologist.com > > www.oldsolbees.com > > www.pacificbulbsociety.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From kimcmich@hotmail.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Boweia volubilis emergency! Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:16:52 +0000 Schmuel, As other posters have noted, you should have a new shoot soon enough. I think the growing stem actually produces one or more branches inside the bulb which remain dormant unless the rest of the axis is damaged. I had a bulb grow in this fashion. The "second chance" branch will not likely be as large as the initial one. -| on behalf of Monica Swartz Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:38 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Boweia volubilis emergency! Hi Shmuel, don't worry, your Boweia is fine. In some growing areas, B. volubilis will keep making the vining flower stalks all year. In others, it takes a short rest in the winter. B. volubilis is a very tough plant. You can even take off chunks of the fleshy bulb scales, bury them shallow, and you will soon have a bunch of baby offsets (this does not work with B. gariepensis, winter-growing and much fussier). Hope this helps. m From iranaquatic@yahoo.ca Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <2021346046.1904152.1476202626072@mail.yahoo.com> From: Mohammad Sadegh Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Hello Moderator is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ?  Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From arnold140@verizon.net Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <30415313.608401.1476203585390.JavaMail.root@tvweb133067.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:33:05 -0500 (CDT) Hi Mohammad: All seeds donated are done so without any reimbursement to the donor. It's one of the fundamental parts of our PBS BX/SX program. thanks, Arnold On 10/11/16, Mohammad Sadegh wrote: Hello Moderator is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran _______________________________________________ From david@davidpilling.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <7cb9fd26-0635-6437-6b15-94107da84abf@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:41:45 +0100 Hi, On 11/10/2016 17:33, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > Hello Moderator > is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? > Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran Arnold - I think he wants to post an advertisement to the list "seeds available at $1 a piece" kind of thing. Previously we had a discussion about if l. ledebourii was a species it was legal to sell seeds for. The policy has always been that the list was not for commercial postings - but occasional news type messages were permissible. Perhaps Mohammad could say "I have lily seeds for sale on my web site www.com" Anyway, over to the PBS board for a decision... -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:48:15 -0500 DearMohanmmad, I have been told it is illegal to send or receive viable seed to or from Iran. I have tried and had seed destroyed and friends in Iran have sent seed to me and they are returned to them as "Illegal to export’. The only way I have been able to receive seed from Iran is if they are hand carried in and out of the country by nationals or visitors. Very sticky situation. Jim W. On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Mohammad Sadegh wrote: Hello Moderator is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From arnold140@verizon.net Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <10646018.609007.1476204837696.JavaMail.root@tvweb133067.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:53:57 -0500 (CDT) David: I thought so. Based on Jim's comments the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold.. Arnold On 10/11/16, David Pilling wrote: Hi, On 11/10/2016 17:33, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > Hello Moderator > is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? > Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran Arnold - I think he wants to post an advertisement to the list "seeds available at $1 a piece" kind of thing. Previously we had a discussion about if l. ledebourii was a species it was legal to sell seeds for. The policy has always been that the list was not for commercial postings - but occasional news type messages were permissible. Perhaps Mohammad could say "I have lily seeds for sale on my web site www.com" Anyway, over to the PBS board for a decision... -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From iranaquatic@yahoo.ca Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <425494689.1981105.1476204904747@mail.yahoo.com> From: Mohammad Sadegh Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi  I send seeds everywhere and receive seeds from every where , must of my lilies were from seeds received from friends in abroad countries , include US and Canada , I send Lilium seeds to UK with spice , labeled as Curry Powder as customs agent told me.Good Luck Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:18 PM, James Waddick wrote: DearMohanmmad,     I have been told it is illegal to send or receive viable seed to or from Iran. I have tried and had seed destroyed and friends in Iran have sent seed to me and they are returned to them as "Illegal to export’.     The only way I have been able to receive seed from Iran is if they are hand carried in and out of the country by nationals or visitors.         Very sticky situation.        Jim W. On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Mohammad Sadegh wrote: Hello Moderator is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone    816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@davidpilling.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <230a6581-3fa8-fb2e-de14-e16e5aa5d139@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:04:06 +0100 Hi, On 11/10/2016 17:53, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold.. Can we assume that by now anyone interested has worked out Mohammad has seeds to sell and his email address is visible in the list posting. The advert has been meta, the point can now be mute. ' Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right? Because if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point. Rachel: Huh. A moo point? Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo. ' We have covered all this ground before on the list, I believe some people bought the seeds. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From dkramb@badbear.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:10:01 -0400 Mohammed, So you want PBS to support illegal exchange of seeds for your profit? How about, NO!!!!! And, good-bye! Adding your name to my spam filter so I never see more messages from you. On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Mohammad Sadegh wrote: > Hi > > I send seeds everywhere and receive seeds from every where , must of my > lilies were from seeds received from friends in abroad countries , include > US and Canada , I send Lilium seeds to UK with spice , labeled as Curry > Powder as customs agent told me.Good Luck Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:18 PM, James Waddick < > jwaddick@kc.rr.com> wrote: > > > DearMohanmmad, > > I have been told it is illegal to send or receive viable seed to or > from Iran. I have tried and had seed destroyed and friends in Iran have > sent seed to me and they are returned to them as "Illegal to export’. > > The only way I have been able to receive seed from Iran is if they are > hand carried in and out of the country by nationals or visitors. > > Very sticky situation. Jim W. > > > > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Mohammad Sadegh > wrote: > > Hello Moderator > is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in > this group ? > Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pamela@polson.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Pamela Harlow Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:20:37 -0700 We had exactly the same discussion about L. ledebourii seed last year. Afterwards I donated seed to the PBS, so most members who wanted it were probably able to obtain it. I will check to see if there is any fresh seed this year. I lost most of my L. ledebourii in the 2015 fire, so maybe not. If I have it I will send it. I definitely have some older seed I would be happy to send. Lilium ledebourii ex Archibald 633.950. On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 9:33 AM, wrote: > Hi Mohammad: > > All seeds donated are done so without any reimbursement to the donor. > > It's one of the fundamental parts of our PBS BX/SX program. > > thanks, > > Arnold > > > On 10/11/16, Mohammad Sadegh wrote: > > Hello Moderator > is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in > this group ? > Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <3AFB101F-B633-4564-9EEF-8A3751C65FB8@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:22:26 -0500 Arnold and all, But it may be possible to successfully mail seeds to an intermediate in some other country who is willing to forward seed to the US. These ‘connections’ are subject to change. Sending seeds under any other identity is not only illegal, but if caught is subject to both fine and imprisonment in the US. If Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral country and then forwarding them to an ‘agent;’ in the US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal. Best Jim W. On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:53 AM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: David: I thought so. Based on Jim's comments the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold.. Arnold On 10/11/16, David Pilling wrote: Hi, On 11/10/2016 17:33, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > Hello Moderator > is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? > Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran Arnold - I think he wants to post an advertisement to the list "seeds available at $1 a piece" kind of thing. Previously we had a discussion about if l. ledebourii was a species it was legal to sell seeds for. The policy has always been that the list was not for commercial postings - but occasional news type messages were permissible. Perhaps Mohammad could say "I have lily seeds for sale on my web site www.com" Anyway, over to the PBS board for a decision... -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From iranaquatic@yahoo.ca Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <671876461.1969711.1476206735494@mail.yahoo.com> From: Mohammad Sadegh Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:25:35 +0000 (UTC) This email is not for supporting our seed selling and you like it or not .we paid so much to visit its wild habitat , hand pollinate flowers and collect seeds for distribution in new sites for two years and i am happy that i distribute some hundreds or maybe thousands of seeds in new sites that are not easy to find for "Bulb Thief's" and university professors and collegian that take so many bulbs from wild for their dry plant collection and their stupidly projects , I am not unhappy about my seed export because i know "I save this species from extinction" and know that it will live somewhere that know its value !this is end for my first email about seed sell on this group and i will not accept any order anymore from group members but if you are interested to know how to grow it you can contact for information and i will be happy to help people to grow it . Good Luck Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:40 PM, Dennis Kramb wrote: Mohammed, So you want PBS to support illegal exchange of seeds for your profit?  How about, NO!!!!!  And, good-bye! Adding your name to my spam filter so I never see more messages from you. On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Mohammad Sadegh wrote: > Hi > > I send seeds everywhere and receive seeds from every where , must of my > lilies were from seeds received from friends in abroad countries , include > US and Canada , I send Lilium seeds to UK with spice , labeled as Curry > Powder as customs agent told me.Good Luck Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran > >    On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:18 PM, James Waddick < > jwaddick@kc.rr.com> wrote: > > >  DearMohanmmad, > >    I have been told it is illegal to send or receive viable seed to or > from Iran. I have tried and had seed destroyed and friends in Iran have > sent seed to me and they are returned to them as "Illegal to export’. > >    The only way I have been able to receive seed from Iran is if they are > hand carried in and out of the country by nationals or visitors. > >        Very sticky situation.        Jim W. > > > > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Mohammad Sadegh > wrote: > > Hello Moderator > is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in > this group ? >  Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone    816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1669679420.2156136.1476217775815@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Jim W. wrote: "If Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral country and then forwarding them to an ‘agent;’ in the US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal. "  And I will not be that "agent." Dell Dell Sherk PBS BX -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 10/11/16, James Waddick wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 1:22 PM Arnold and all,         But it may be possible to successfully mail seeds to an intermediate in some other country who is willing to forward seed to the US. These ‘connections’ are subject to change.     Sending seeds under any other identity is not only illegal, but if caught is subject to both fine and imprisonment in the US.         If Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral country and then forwarding them to an ‘agent;’ in the US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.                    Best    Jim W. On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:53 AM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: David: I thought so.  Based on Jim's comments the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold.. Arnold On 10/11/16, David Pilling wrote: Hi, On 11/10/2016 17:33, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > Hello Moderator > is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? > Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran Arnold - I think he wants to post an advertisement to the list "seeds available at $1 a piece" kind of thing. Previously we had a discussion about if l. ledebourii was a species it was legal to sell seeds for. The policy has always been that the list was not for commercial postings - but occasional news type messages were permissible. Perhaps Mohammad could say "I have lily seeds for sale on my web site www.com" Anyway, over to the PBS board for a decision... -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone     816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From iranaquatic@yahoo.ca Tue, 11 Oct 2016 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1456698254.1990398.1476218043352@mail.yahoo.com> From: Mohammad Sadegh Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Please stop it I am not interested to sale seeds to group members anymore .those that bought seeds from me in bulk or small packets can grow and share with others if they want . Good Luck everybody Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 11:59 PM, ds429 wrote: Jim W. wrote: "If Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral country and then forwarding them to an ‘agent;’ in the US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal. "  And I will not be that "agent." Dell Dell Sherk PBS BX -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 10/11/16, James Waddick wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 1:22 PM Arnold and all,         But it may be possible to successfully mail seeds to an intermediate in some other country who is willing to forward seed to the US. These ‘connections’ are subject to change.     Sending seeds under any other identity is not only illegal, but if caught is subject to both fine and imprisonment in the US.         If Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral country and then forwarding them to an ‘agent;’ in the US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.                    Best    Jim W. On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:53 AM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: David: I thought so.  Based on Jim's comments the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold.. Arnold On 10/11/16, David Pilling wrote: Hi, On 11/10/2016 17:33, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > Hello Moderator > is it possible to send seed (seeds of lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? > Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran Arnold - I think he wants to post an advertisement to the list "seeds available at $1 a piece" kind of thing. Previously we had a discussion about if l. ledebourii was a species it was legal to sell seeds for. The policy has always been that the list was not for commercial postings - but occasional news type messages were permissible. Perhaps Mohammad could say "I have lily seeds for sale on my web site www.com" Anyway, over to the PBS board for a decision... -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone     816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From teck11@embarqmail.com Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <002401d2240c$2a06c560$7e145020$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:09:38 -0400 C'mon guys, the word is MOOT not MUTE, a Scandinavian word referring to a town meeting. The meaning has changed from a debatable issue to one that circumstances have made irrelevant. Tim Eck When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he says something that is not trivial, then it is false. Gauss > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:04 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? > > Hi, > > On 11/10/2016 17:53, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > > the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold.. > > Can we assume that by now anyone interested has worked out Mohammad > has seeds to sell and his email address is visible in the list posting. > > The advert has been meta, the point can now be mute. > > ' > Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right? Because > if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point. > Rachel: Huh. A moo point? > Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo. > ' > > We have covered all this ground before on the list, I believe some people > bought the seeds. > > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From arnold140@verizon.net Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Arnold140 Subject: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:18:51 -0400 Hi Tim. David may have been saying that the debate could/should no longer be heard. (My take on his intent) always a dangerous thing you know the saying to assume makes an *ss out of you and me. Arnold Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Tim Eck wrote: > > C'mon guys, the word is MOOT not MUTE, a Scandinavian word referring to a > town meeting. The meaning has changed from a debatable issue to one that > circumstances have made irrelevant. > > Tim Eck > When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he > says something that is not trivial, then it is false. > Gauss > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David > Pilling >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:04 PM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? >> >> Hi, >> >>> On 11/10/2016 17:53, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: >>> the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold.. >> >> Can we assume that by now anyone interested has worked out Mohammad >> has seeds to sell and his email address is visible in the list posting. >> >> The advert has been meta, the point can now be mute. >> >> ' >> Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right? > Because >> if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point. >> Rachel: Huh. A moo point? >> Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo. >> ' >> >> We have covered all this ground before on the list, I believe some people >> bought the seeds. >> >> >> >> -- >> David Pilling >> www.davidpilling.com >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From gardenbetter@gmail.com Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shmuel Silinsky Subject: Boweia volubilis emergency! Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:47:43 -0400 Thanks Monica and Bob, I am glad to here that where there is life there is hope and I can stop holding my breath. Shmuel Get a signature like this: Click here! On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Monica Swartz wrote: > Hi Shmuel, don't worry, your Boweia is fine. In some growing areas, B. > volubilis will keep making the vining flower stalks all year. In others, it > takes a short rest in the winter. B. volubilis is a very tough plant. You > can even take off chunks of the fleshy bulb scales, bury them shallow, and > you will soon have a bunch of baby offsets (this does not work with B. > gariepensis, winter-growing and much fussier). Hope this helps. m > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <86AF7E67-AA43-43F1-926A-F2CDD91AE7BE@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> From: Linda Foulis Subject: Zantedeschia seed Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:19:14 -0600 Are there any special considerations I should take for harvest and storage of Zantedeschia seed? I was handed a couple seed pods and have never dealt with them before. I'm thinking they should be cleaned while fresh, easier to, and the seed should be green / white? Should they be planted immediately? Can they be stored and if yes, how? Thank you for any assistance on this. Linda Zone 1-2 From david@davidpilling.com Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <48d89a05-e29f-d7a2-7fa1-9efd3c268093@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Zantedeschia seed Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 23:20:48 +0100 Hi Linda, On 12/10/2016 21:19, Linda Foulis wrote: > Are there any special considerations I should take for harvest and storage of Zantedeschia seed? The seed photos etc on this PBS wiki page may help: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Zantedeschia_aethiopica I've grown different species of Z. from dried seed with no problem. I suspect they're better from fresher seed - stored cool (like most things). You can always consult the usual seed databases Norm Deno etc. see: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/HowToGrowBulbsFromSeed -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From jane@deskhenge.com Thu, 13 Oct 2016 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <257d7bea-9d38-ff4e-b373-c78b869210ac@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 4 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 19:24:43 -0400 From: Jane Sargent Re: unhappy Boweia. Oh, Shmuel, I can torture Boweias even better. I had 3 potted Boweias, one about 2" in diameter and two about 3" in diameter, in pots in my kitchen 3 months ago. Then I had a health emergency and was in another city for nearly 3 months with the house plants abandoned. When I returned, the Boweias were gone, vanished, including their pots. After 3 weeks of looking, I found them today, presumably where some helpful person had put them during my absence. They were outdoors (!) in a steel wheelbarrow full of water. When I say "full," picture just the little scalps of two of these plants sticking out of the water, with the plants 90% submerged. The third plant was completely under water. They must have been there for at least 3 weeks, perhaps a lot longer. They remained firm, not mushy, and at least half of each bulb was the usual waxy green. None was sprouted, but they weren´t sprouted 3 months ago, either. The two larger ones fell out of their pot onto the ground while I was fishing them out, they unpotted themselves, and their roots were white and good-looking. These are desert plants, right? Well, I´ve repotted them with drainage, and I bet they make it, in spite of their masquerade as water lilies. Once it took me about twelve years to kill a Boweia. That last 15 months with no water whatsoever did the trick, when the plant was abandoned in an unused dwelling . Before that, ordinary neglect seemed to have no effect. Shmuel, I bet your Boweia does well. This plant is about half zombie. Jane Sargent On 11/10/2016 07:51 a. m., pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: PBS website contact:Amoreuxia wrightii (Jane McGary) > 2. Boweia volubilis emergency! (Shmuel Silinsky) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:58:28 -0700 > From: Jane McGary > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Amoreuxia wrightii > Message-ID: <7e2309f0-c05f-9ec0-672a-9a004f3d15ac@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > The following inquiry came via the PBS website. Please write directly to > Donna Anderson if you can help her find seeds of this species. > > Thanks, > > Jane McGary > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: PBS website contact:Amoreuxia wrightii > Date: 08 Oct 2016 17:17:23 -0400, Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) > From: Apache > Reply-To: Donna Anderson > To: janemcgary@earthlink.net > > > > This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. > > Hi, do you know where I could find seeds? > > Thanks! > From stnalpsoel@gmail.com Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Leo Martin Subject: in another city for nearly 3 months Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:42:40 -0700 Glad to hear you're home and better, Jane. Leo Martin Zone 9? Phoenix Arizona USA From suegardiner20@icloud.com Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <2A08EE78-74B1-474E-A43A-0861A4FD423A@icloud.com> From: Susan Davies Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 7 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 06:44:13 +0800 > On 18/10/2016, at 1:27 am, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? (ds429) > 2. Re: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? > (Mohammad Sadegh) > 3. Re: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? (Tim Eck) > 4. Re: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? > (Arnold140) > 5. Re: Boweia volubilis emergency! (Shmuel Silinsky) > 6. Zantedeschia seed (Linda Foulis) > 7. Re: Zantedeschia seed (David Pilling) > 8. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 4 (Jane Sargent) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:29:35 +0000 (UTC) > From: ds429 > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group > ? > Message-ID: <1669679420.2156136.1476217775815@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Jim W. wrote: "If Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral country and then forwarding them to an ?agent;? in the US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.?"? > > And I will not be that "agent." > > Dell > > Dell Sherk PBS BX > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 10/11/16, James Waddick wrote: > > Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 1:22 PM > > Arnold and all, > > ??? > ??? > But it may be possible to successfully mail seeds to an > intermediate in some other country who is willing to forward > seed to the US. These ?connections? are subject to > change. > > ??? Sending > seeds under any other identity is not only illegal, but if > caught is subject to both fine and imprisonment in the > US. > > ??? ??? If > Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral > country and then forwarding them to an ?agent;? in the > US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.??? > > > > ??? > ??? ??? ??? Best? ? Jim W. > > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:53 AM, > arnold140@verizon.net > wrote: > > David: > > I thought so.? Based on > Jim's comments the entire point may be mute, whether > donated or sold.. > > Arnold > > > > > On 10/11/16, David Pilling > wrote: > > Hi, > > On 11/10/2016 17:33, arnold140@verizon.net > wrote: >> Hello Moderator >> is it possible to send seed (seeds of > lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? >> Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran > > Arnold - I think he wants to > post an advertisement to the list "seeds > available at $1 a piece" kind of thing. > > Previously we had a discussion > about if l. ledebourii was a species it > was > legal to sell seeds for. > > The policy has always been that the list was > not for commercial postings > - but > occasional news type messages were permissible. > > Perhaps Mohammad could say > "I have lily seeds for sale on my web site > www.com" > > Anyway, over to the PBS board for a > decision... > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas > City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone? ???816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:34:03 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mohammad Sadegh > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group > ? > Message-ID: <1456698254.1990398.1476218043352@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Please stop it?I am not interested to sale seeds to group members anymore .those that bought seeds from me in bulk or small packets can grow and share with others if they want . > Good Luck everybody?Mohammad SadeghArdabil?,Iran > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 11:59 PM, ds429 wrote: > > > Jim W. wrote: "If Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral country and then forwarding them to an ?agent;? in the US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.?"? > > And I will not be that "agent." > > Dell > > Dell Sherk PBS BX > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 10/11/16, James Waddick wrote: > > Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 1:22 PM > > Arnold and all, > > ??? > ??? > But it may be possible to successfully mail seeds to an > intermediate in some other country who is willing to forward > seed to the US. These ?connections? are subject to > change. > > ??? Sending > seeds under any other identity is not only illegal, but if > caught is subject to both fine and imprisonment in the > US. > > ??? ??? If > Mohammad can send seeds through a friend visting a neutral > country and then forwarding them to an ?agent;? in the > US, this is at least tolerated if not totally legal.??? > > > > ??? > ??? ??? ??? Best? ? Jim W. > > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:53 AM, > arnold140@verizon.net > wrote: > > David: > > I thought so.? Based on > Jim's comments the entire point may be mute, whether > donated or sold.. > > Arnold > > > > > On 10/11/16, David Pilling > wrote: > > Hi, > > On 11/10/2016 17:33, arnold140@verizon.net > wrote: >> Hello Moderator >> is it possible to send seed (seeds of > lilium ledebourii) selling offer in this group ? >> Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran > > Arnold - I think he wants to > post an advertisement to the list "seeds > available at $1 a piece" kind of thing. > > Previously we had a discussion > about if l. ledebourii was a species it > was > legal to sell seeds for. > > The policy has always been that the list was > not for commercial postings > - but > occasional news type messages were permissible. > > Perhaps Mohammad could say > "I have lily seeds for sale on my web site > www.com" > > Anyway, over to the PBS board for a > decision... > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas > City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone? ???816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:09:38 -0400 > From: "Tim Eck" > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group > ? > Message-ID: <002401d2240c$2a06c560$7e145020$@embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > C'mon guys, the word is MOOT not MUTE, a Scandinavian word referring to a > town meeting. The meaning has changed from a debatable issue to one that > circumstances have made irrelevant. > > Tim Eck > When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he > says something that is not trivial, then it is false. > Gauss > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David > Pilling >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:04 PM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? >> >> Hi, >> >>> On 11/10/2016 17:53, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: >>> the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold.. >> >> Can we assume that by now anyone interested has worked out Mohammad >> has seeds to sell and his email address is visible in the list posting. >> >> The advert has been meta, the point can now be mute. >> >> ' >> Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right? > Because >> if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point. >> Rachel: Huh. A moo point? >> Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo. >> ' >> >> We have covered all this ground before on the list, I believe some people >> bought the seeds. >> >> >> >> -- >> David Pilling >> www.davidpilling.com >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:18:51 -0400 > From: Arnold140 > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group > ? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Tim. > > David may have been saying that the debate could/should no longer be heard. (My take on his intent) always a dangerous thing you know the saying to assume makes an *ss out of you and me. > > Arnold > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 11, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Tim Eck wrote: >> >> C'mon guys, the word is MOOT not MUTE, a Scandinavian word referring to a >> town meeting. The meaning has changed from a debatable issue to one that >> circumstances have made irrelevant. >> >> Tim Eck >> When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he >> says something that is not trivial, then it is false. >> Gauss >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David >> Pilling >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:04 PM >>> To: Pacific Bulb Society >>> Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>>> On 11/10/2016 17:53, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: >>>> the entire point may be mute, whether donated or sold.. >>> >>> Can we assume that by now anyone interested has worked out Mohammad >>> has seeds to sell and his email address is visible in the list posting. >>> >>> The advert has been meta, the point can now be mute. >>> >>> ' >>> Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right? >> Because >>> if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point. >>> Rachel: Huh. A moo point? >>> Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo. >>> ' >>> >>> We have covered all this ground before on the list, I believe some people >>> bought the seeds. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David Pilling >>> www.davidpilling.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:47:43 -0400 > From: Shmuel Silinsky > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Boweia volubilis emergency! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks Monica and Bob, > > I am glad to here that where there is life there is hope and I can stop > holding my breath. > > Shmuel > > > Get a signature like this: Click here! > > >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Monica Swartz wrote: >> >> Hi Shmuel, don't worry, your Boweia is fine. In some growing areas, B. >> volubilis will keep making the vining flower stalks all year. In others, it >> takes a short rest in the winter. B. volubilis is a very tough plant. You >> can even take off chunks of the fleshy bulb scales, bury them shallow, and >> you will soon have a bunch of baby offsets (this does not work with B. >> gariepensis, winter-growing and much fussier). Hope this helps. m >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:19:14 -0600 > From: Linda Foulis > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Zantedeschia seed > Message-ID: > <86AF7E67-AA43-43F1-926A-F2CDD91AE7BE@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Are there any special considerations I should take for harvest and storage of Zantedeschia seed? I was handed a couple seed pods and have never dealt with them before. > I'm thinking they should be cleaned while fresh, easier to, and the seed should be green / white? Should they be planted immediately? Can they be stored and if yes, how? > Thank you for any assistance on this. > > Linda > Zone 1-2 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 23:20:48 +0100 > From: David Pilling > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Zantedeschia seed > Message-ID: <48d89a05-e29f-d7a2-7fa1-9efd3c268093@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi Linda, > >> On 12/10/2016 21:19, Linda Foulis wrote: >> Are there any special considerations I should take for harvest and storage of Zantedeschia seed? > > The seed photos etc on this PBS wiki page may help: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Zantedeschia_aethiopica > > > I've grown different species of Z. from dried seed with no problem. I > suspect they're better from fresher seed - stored cool (like most things). > > You can always consult the usual seed databases Norm Deno etc. see: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/HowToGrowBulbsFromSeed > > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 19:24:43 -0400 > From: Jane Sargent > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 4 > Message-ID: <257d7bea-9d38-ff4e-b373-c78b869210ac@deskhenge.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > From: Jane Sargent > > Re: unhappy Boweia. > > Oh, Shmuel, I can torture Boweias even better. > > I had 3 potted Boweias, one about 2" in diameter and two about 3" in > diameter, in pots in my kitchen 3 months ago. Then I had a health > emergency and was in another city for nearly 3 months with the house > plants abandoned. When I returned, the Boweias were gone, vanished, > including their pots. After 3 weeks of looking, I found them today, > presumably where some helpful person had put them during my absence. > They were outdoors (!) in a steel wheelbarrow full of water. When I say > "full," picture just the little scalps of two of these plants sticking > out of the water, with the plants 90% submerged. The third plant was > completely under water. They must have been there for at least 3 weeks, > perhaps a lot longer. They remained firm, not mushy, and at least half > of each bulb was the usual waxy green. None was sprouted, but they > weren?t sprouted 3 months ago, either. The two larger ones fell out of > their pot onto the ground while I was fishing them out, they unpotted > themselves, and their roots were white and good-looking. > > These are desert plants, right? > > Well, I?ve repotted them with drainage, and I bet they make it, in spite > of their masquerade as water lilies. > > Once it took me about twelve years to kill a Boweia. That last 15 months > with no water whatsoever did the trick, when the plant was abandoned in > an unused dwelling . Before that, ordinary neglect seemed to have no effect. > > Shmuel, I bet your Boweia does well. This plant is about half zombie. > > Jane Sargent > > >> On 11/10/2016 07:51 a. m., pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: >> Send pbs mailing list submissions to >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." >> >> >> List-Post:> List-Archive:> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Fwd: PBS website contact:Amoreuxia wrightii (Jane McGary) >> 2. Boweia volubilis emergency! (Shmuel Silinsky) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:58:28 -0700 >> From: Jane McGary >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: [pbs] Fwd: PBS website contact:Amoreuxia wrightii >> Message-ID: <7e2309f0-c05f-9ec0-672a-9a004f3d15ac@earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> The following inquiry came via the PBS website. Please write directly to >> Donna Anderson if you can help her find seeds of this species. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jane McGary >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: PBS website contact:Amoreuxia wrightii >> Date: 08 Oct 2016 17:17:23 -0400, Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) >> From: Apache >> Reply-To: Donna Anderson >> To: janemcgary@earthlink.net >> >> >> >> This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. >> >> Hi, do you know where I could find seeds? >> >> Thanks! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 7 > *********************************** From kitetimer@yahoo.com Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1215235742.1864503.1476745207495@mail.yahoo.com> From: Kathy Stockman Subject: Polianthes seed Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 23:00:07 +0000 (UTC) My ID on this plant is suspect because none of the available pictures are an exact match. but it is the closest I can do. A Polianthes (not tuberosa, it has tubular dark dusky pinkish flowers downward drooping and scattered along the top four feet of the 5.5 foot or 1.8 meter stalk) that I received from PBS a number of years ago set seed for the first time. Not expecting anything and being a casual aficionado, I thought I would see if I could get germination by placing them on a wet paper towel. One has germinated and now I don't know what to do. I plan on placing it in a pot with equal parts sand and peat moss, as recommended here, but does anyone have any other suggestions? Keep it warm, keep it cold? Presumably it needs light because that is what it has been getting. From dkramb@badbear.com Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Polianthes seed Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:05:56 -0400 i would pot it up and put it on a sunny windowsill. ive grown lots of Polianthes and Manfreda this way. could yours be P. bundrandtii? On Oct 17, 2016 7:05 PM, "Kathy Stockman" wrote: > My ID on this plant is suspect because none of the available pictures are > an exact match. but it is the closest I can do. A Polianthes (not tuberosa, > it has tubular dark dusky pinkish flowers downward drooping and scattered > along the top four feet of the 5.5 foot or 1.8 meter stalk) that I received > from PBS a number of years ago set seed for the first time. Not expecting > anything and being a casual aficionado, I thought I would see if I could > get germination by placing them on a wet paper towel. One has germinated > and now I don't know what to do. I plan on placing it in a pot with equal > parts sand and peat moss, as recommended here, but does anyone have any > other suggestions? Keep it warm, keep it cold? Presumably it needs light > because that is what it has been getting. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From kitetimer@yahoo.com Tue, 18 Oct 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2140301465.190374.1476814042615@mail.yahoo.com> From: Kathy Stockman Subject: Polianthes Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 18:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Thank you, I will try that with the seeds. The flowers have the fleshy look of Polianthes x bundrantii that I found on the web but the part nearest the stem is more elongated, then thickening abruptly halfway through the flower.. The flowers are a dark, rich pink/red with green at the tips but no internal patterns. Possibly a variant. I am working on posting a picture to the unidentified plants section but I don't have the right tools at the moment.  If I separate the tubers now will that interfere with flowering this spring? I love this plant and it took years to grow to it's current size but there are multiple offsets that are too small to flower. Mine is evergreen and in a garden, not a pot.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From zera@umich.edu Tue, 18 Oct 2016 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Sean Zera Subject: Polianthes Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:01:59 -0400 It's not Prochnyanthes mexicana by chance, is it? Sean Z From xerantheum@gmail.com Tue, 18 Oct 2016 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Polianthes seed Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:59:57 -1000 The only record of Polianthes seeds that we have offered on PBS is P. geminiflora from BX225 in 2009. Nhu On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Dennis Kramb wrote: > i would pot it up and put it on a sunny windowsill. ive grown lots of > Polianthes and Manfreda this way. could yours be P. bundrandtii? > > On Oct 17, 2016 7:05 PM, "Kathy Stockman" wrote: > > > My ID on this plant is suspect because none of the available pictures are > > an exact match. but it is the closest I can do. A Polianthes (not > tuberosa, > > it has tubular dark dusky pinkish flowers downward drooping and scattered > > along the top four feet of the 5.5 foot or 1.8 meter stalk) that I > received > > from PBS a number of years ago set seed for the first time. Not expecting > > anything and being a casual aficionado, I thought I would see if I could > > get germination by placing them on a wet paper towel. One has germinated > > and now I don't know what to do. I plan on placing it in a pot with equal > > parts sand and peat moss, as recommended here, but does anyone have any > > other suggestions? Keep it warm, keep it cold? Presumably it needs light > > because that is what it has been getting. > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From sarahh@suiattle.net Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <662681a5-5265-704e-798d-0ba3ed6ee5e5@suiattle.net> From: Sarah Hinckley Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 09:42:48 -0700 Hello again, So I guess nobody has information about this subject. So perhaps I can ask a simpler question. Those of you that grow South African bulbs under glass in the Pacific Northwest (and I think there are a few of you out there!), do you add extra lights to compensate for our low light levels in the winter? thanks a lot, Sarah On 10/17/2016 12:30 PM, Sarah Hinckley wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here's a geeky question: what light levels (in lux or footcandles) are > necessary to grow winter flowering South African bulbs? I am growing > these in a greenhouse in the (sometimes) gloomy Pacific Northwest > winter. The bulbs I am growing are various Moraeas, Geissorhiza > radicans, Lachenalia aloides, Sparaxis tricolor. > > (plus Eucrosia mirabilis from Ecuador). > > Today, a cloudy and rainy day, the light level at about noon is about > 4400 lux. Kinda low. > > I do have two big sodium halide greenhouse lights (250 or 400 w), plus > various smaller shoplights with plant lightbulbs (CFLs up to 250 w), > that I could use to supplement the light levels. > > Any recommendations? > > Sarah Hinckley > > Enumclaw, WA > Zone 7a > From k.preteroti@verizon.net Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <93AA5C94-BB05-411E-A4A8-278A20C8308E@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Preteroti Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:48:59 -0400 Sarah I live in the Atlantic northeast and grow SA bulbs successfully in my basement using LED lights. Equivalent to say a 600-1000 watt HID light. In the greenhouse you only need supplemental lighting. The greenhouses at Rutgers University use 400 watt high pressure sodium lights. That covers a 4' x 4' area. Duration is trial and error. Start with 4 hours. 8-10 am and 2-4 pm. Based on your growth add hours as needed. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6 b From robin@hansennursery.com Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <002401d22a31$5873bdb0$095b3910$@hansennursery.com> From: "Hansen Nursery" Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:50:56 -0700 Sarah, Have the plants in your greenhouse been blooming or are you unsatisfied with the quality of flowering? I find I can get Cyclamen graecum to flower and set some seed here on the southwest coast of Oregon if I leave them in the poly house through the summer, where I think intensity of heat counts as much as intensity of light. I'm just south of the 45th parallel. If they aren't flowering at all or poorly, I'd definitely supplement the light, although surely more lengthly exposure to light in the summer should compensate for less intensity of light to some degree the further north you live. Can someone comment on this? Thanks, Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com From sarahh@suiattle.net Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <174deb49-e985-582f-d9e7-2644e6f80fa1@suiattle.net> From: Sarah Hinckley Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:55:57 -0700 Hi Robin, I am a beginner with SA bulbs. None of the ones I have have begun to flower yet. I have had the greenhouse less than a year. I am just presupposing that the light levels in western Washington might be too low to get these bulbs to grow and flower successfully. I really appreciate hearing about others experience! thanks, Sarah On 10/19/2016 10:50 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > Sarah, > > Have the plants in your greenhouse been blooming or are you unsatisfied with > the quality of flowering? I find I can get Cyclamen graecum to flower and > set some seed here on the southwest coast of Oregon if I leave them in the > poly house through the summer, where I think intensity of heat counts as > much as intensity of light. I'm just south of the 45th parallel. > > If they aren't flowering at all or poorly, I'd definitely supplement the > light, although surely more lengthly exposure to light in the summer should > compensate for less intensity of light to some degree the further north you > live. Can someone comment on this? > > Thanks, > > Robin > Hansen Nursery > robin@hansennursery.com > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jan.rogo@ntlworld.com Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1619024156.824309.1476902692161.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe5.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> From: ROGOZINSKI JAN Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 19:44:52 +0100 (BST) Massonia grow reasonably here for me in the UK, maybe I don't have very high standards. Perhaps the South African Bulb Group would have some thoughts. They have several members with South African experience who would be able to compare environments. > > On 19 October 2016 at 18:55 Sarah Hinckley wrote: > > > Hi Robin, > > I am a beginner with SA bulbs. None of the ones I have have begun to > flower yet. I have had the greenhouse less than a year. I am just > presupposing that the light levels in western Washington might be too > low to get these bulbs to grow and flower successfully. > > I really appreciate hearing about others experience! > > thanks, > > Sarah > > On 10/19/2016 10:50 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > > Sarah, > > > > Have the plants in your greenhouse been blooming or are you unsatisfied > > with > > the quality of flowering? I find I can get Cyclamen graecum to flower > > and > > set some seed here on the southwest coast of Oregon if I leave them in > > the > > poly house through the summer, where I think intensity of heat counts as > > much as intensity of light. I'm just south of the 45th parallel. > > > > If they aren't flowering at all or poorly, I'd definitely supplement the > > light, although surely more lengthly exposure to light in the summer > > should > > compensate for less intensity of light to some degree the further north > > you > > live. Can someone comment on this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robin > > Hansen Nursery > > robin@hansennursery.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From petersirises@gmail.com Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:39:37 +0100 The Lachenalia aloides will grow weakly with etiolated floppy leaves if light levels are too low. If you look at it as it emerges, you will be able to judge for yourself if more light is needed. I would expect it to be coming into growth now in the northern hemisphere. Inadequate light does slow down growth a lot, but I have forgotten the figures. Peter (UK) On 19 October 2016 at 17:42, Sarah Hinckley wrote > > > Those of you that grow South African bulbs under glass in the Pacific > Northwest (and I think there are a few of you out there!), do you add extra > lights to compensate for our low light levels in the winter? > >> > I am growing >> these in a greenhouse in the (sometimes) gloomy Pacific Northwest >> winter. The bulbs I am growing are various Moraeas, Geissorhiza >> radicans, Lachenalia aloides, Sparaxis tricolor. >> >> (plus Eucrosia mirabilis from Ecuador) >> > From ottopauld@hotmail.com Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Paul Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 19:42:36 +0000 I grow various genera of South African Bulbs in Brookings Oregon under glass, but in frames, as opposed to a greenhouse, mainly for protection from excessive rain (+100 inches in winter). Although it is cloudy here a lot in winter there may be stronger light when the sun does shine. The plants do flower well with no additional lighting. One thing I have noticed in other greenhouses in the PNW where SA bulbs are grown is that the plants need to be grown as cool as possible. If there is a string of sunny days in the winter and the temps go above a certain threshold the bulbs tend to want to go dormant too early. Ventilate your bulbs as much as possible and heat minimally. The bulbs here have taken temps into the upper 20'sF with no affect on performance. Paul Otto Brookings OR ________________________________ Hi Robin, I am a beginner with SA bulbs. None of the ones I have have begun to flower yet. I have had the greenhouse less than a year. I am just presupposing that the light levels in western Washington might be too low to get these bulbs to grow and flower successfully. I really appreciate hearing about others experience! thanks, Sarah From petersirises@gmail.com Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:48:42 +0100 For Summer deciduous 'bulbs' it is light levels in Winter, when they are in leaf and photosynthesising, that is important. Day and night length as well as temperature may be important for flowering, and more hours of light will mean more hours of photosynthesising. Peter (UK) On 19 October 2016 at 18:55, Sarah Hinckley wrote: > Hi Robin, > > I am a beginner with SA bulbs. None of the ones I have have begun to > flower yet. I have had the greenhouse less than a year. I am just > presupposing that the light levels in western Washington might be too low > to get these bulbs to grow and flower successfully. > > I really appreciate hearing about others experience! > > thanks, > > Sarah > > > On 10/19/2016 10:50 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: > >> .... > > > , although surely more lengthly exposure to light in the summer should >> compensate for less intensity of light to some degree the further north >> you >> live. Can someone comment on this? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Robin >> > From klazina1@gmail.com Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <2146533d-1ed5-acdc-4dd8-b6b22d81210f@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Paramongaia from NZ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 08:51:57 +1300 Is this the winter growing one or the summer growing one Anders? As Bill Dijk has unmatched clones of these of the winter ones I know for sure, so probably also for the summer ones. However, unrelated clones are only one step in getting seeds. For the winter ones the temperature should stay above 15º C at all times. Which is why in Spain they have no problem at all in getting seed. Our last winter I did get seed setting on my Paramongia weberbauerii. I did the tricks of microwaving and also of unrelated pollen. At that stage had not known about the temperature problem, so in the end the seed pods aborted. So far don't know about how my summer ones will go. Ina On 20/10/2016 2:00 a.m., Anders Bo Petersen wrote: > I have just received some bulbs of Paramongaia on eBay from New Zealand.The retailer was Don Barclay. Just wonder if anybody knows if his clones are the same as Bill Dijk?The reason for asking is that I know you need two different ones if you want to succeed pollinating them.Regards Anders B. PetersenCopenhagen, Denmark > From petersirises@gmail.com Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:56:28 +0100 Sorry, my last reply; For Summer deciduous 'bulbs' it is light levels in Winter, when they are in leaf and photosynthesising, that is important. Day and night length, as well as temperature may be important for flowering, and more hours of light will mean more hours of photosynthesising. Peter (UK) was to this: "If they aren't flowering at all or poorly, I'd definitely supplement the light, although surely more lengthly exposure to light in the summer should compensate for less intensity of light to some degree the further north you live. Can someone comment on this? Thanks, Robin" , although surely more lengthly exposure to light in the summer should >>> compensate for less intensity of light to some degree the further north >>> you >>> live. Can someone comment on this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Robin >>> >> From bonaventure@optonline.net Wed, 19 Oct 2016 14:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <67aff91b.5b90.157deca335d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> From: BO MAGRYS Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Go on Amazon search LED grow lights. I find them great for orchids and now the price is very low. Bonaventure in New Jersey From bonaventure@optonline.net Wed, 19 Oct 2016 15:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <7cecbeb2.5ba1.157deceb095.Webtop.41@optonline.net> From: BO MAGRYS Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Check out:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GFWZHBI?ref_=pe_2608020_212072880_pd_h0_learn&smid=A357DJE9FZO2YX&pldnSite=1 Bo _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From bruceandjill.schroder@gmail.com Wed, 19 Oct 2016 19:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bruce Schroder Subject: Paramongaia from NZ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:09:20 +1100 The obvious question Anders but have you asked Bill? I know both Bill and Ebay's Pigeon Man (is this Don Barclay?) are the summer growing forms which seems to be the form grown in NZ whereas the form grown (rarely) in Australia is the winter growing form and there appears to be a couple of clones of this in the country. Bruce Schroder - Melbourne From utricularia@gmx.de Thu, 20 Oct 2016 07:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Christian Dietz" Subject: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 15:35:18 +0200 From barbara@adamsranch.net Sat, 22 Oct 2016 02:17:51 -0700 Message-Id: <021e01d22c3e$2a2ef280$7e8cd780$@adamsranch.net> From: "Barbara" Subject: Amaryllis AND. Lycoris Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 01:27:43 -0700 I grow both the amaryllis belladonna and lycoris not sure of the name got both from my mil years ago. The lycoris is blooming right now and it has the bright red flower and no leaves. I Am in the sierra foothills about 900 ft or less my mil grew them both in Sutter Creek ca in the sierra foothills. I still have some straggling amaryllis growing. I also grow hippeastrums . I am also in the lower sierra foothills. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 7:10 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Amaryllis AND. Lycoris Del Where is ‘here’ ? Jim On Sep 5, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Del Allegood wrote: I grow Hippeastrum and Lycoris.Amaryllis will grow here,but never blooms for me.It wilts and dies back in the heat,even in spring. On Monday, September 5, 2016 8:59 AM, James Waddick wrote: Dear PBS era, After our posts about the differences between the two genera, I am curious if there is any location where a person could actually grow BOTH Lycoris and Amarylllis in te same garden location outdoors in the ground. Does such a place exist? Thanks Jim W. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From thomasmasinter@gmail.com Sun, 23 Oct 2016 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <155A621B-7C94-4244-8082-ABEF0268EF44@gmail.com> From: Thomas Masinter Subject: Amaryllis AND. Lycoris Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 08:13:31 -0500 I have both lycoris (golden, pink and red) and amaryllis belladonna growing in the ground in San Antonio, Texas. Some of the lycoris - golden in color was here when I bought the house 25 years ago. Nasty clay, alkaline soil. I have the amaryllis growing in three different places - test patches, if you will. Some stayed green all summer. I have one patch in a raised bed with cactus. I need a few more years of observation to know how well the amaryllis performs. My amaryllis bulbs came from California and Arizona. Tom Masinter > On Oct 22, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Barbara wrote: > > I grow both the amaryllis belladonna and lycoris not sure of the name got both from my mil years ago. The lycoris is blooming right now and it has the bright red flower and no leaves. I > Am in the sierra foothills about 900 ft or less my mil grew them both in Sutter Creek ca in the sierra foothills. I still have some straggling amaryllis growing. I also grow hippeastrums . I am also in the lower sierra foothills. > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 7:10 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Amaryllis AND. Lycoris > > Del Where is ‘here’ ? Jim > > > On Sep 5, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Del Allegood wrote: > > I grow Hippeastrum and Lycoris.Amaryllis will grow here,but never blooms for me.It wilts and dies back in the heat,even in spring. > > On Monday, September 5, 2016 8:59 AM, James Waddick > wrote: > > > Dear PBS era, > > After our posts about the differences between the two genera, I am > curious if there is any location where a person could actually grow BOTH > Lycoris and Amarylllis in te same garden location outdoors in the ground. > > Does such a place exist? > > Thanks Jim W. > > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From klazina1@gmail.com Sun, 23 Oct 2016 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <016a712e-02b2-2e3b-ba07-7fe7d53f8c11@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Paramongaia from NZ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:04:21 +1300 Why would summer one be a winter one over your way Anders? Like all plants coming from the opposite hemisphere, the plants adjust to the climate they are in. As for Don Barclay's and Bill Dijk's ones, they also wondered if their bulbs were related, and have exchanged bulbs to try it out. Meanwhile I am potting up the summer ones here which are showing signs of growth. Best wishes with the attempt at seed production, will look forward to hear of your experience. Ina On 20/10/2016 10:06 a.m., Anders Bo Petersen wrote: > Ina, sorry I meant (of course) the summer growing clone which will be winter here......I bought a bulb from Bill Dijk a couple of years ago. It flowered the first year. I received some som pollen from another grower but didn't succeed. I expect with the new bulb from Don Barclay, that it will flower as it had a huge size. > I did know about the temperature though. Anders From klazina1@gmail.com Sun, 23 Oct 2016 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ina Crossley Subject: Paramongaia from NZ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:06:16 +1300 Bruce, Bill has both winter and summer flowering ones. On 20/10/2016 3:09 p.m., Bruce Schroder wrote: > The obvious question Anders but have you asked Bill? I know both Bill and > Ebay's Pigeon Man (is this Don Barclay?) are the summer growing forms which > seems to be the form grown in NZ whereas the form grown (rarely) in > Australia is the winter growing form and there appears to be a couple of > clones of this in the country. > > Bruce Schroder - Melbourne > From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sun, 23 Oct 2016 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9F20C734-8A8F-442D-A168-394BE6874A5F@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: New Crinum Book Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 10:23:24 -0500 Dear PBS Friends, Here’s news of a new expanded book on Gardenig with Crinums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7oC9Z4LPM Haven’t seen this book yet, but I grow a number of Crinum in Kansas City where they are very reliable, hardy and floriferous. More northern gardeners should try Crinums in the garden. Congrats to Jenks for a lovely looking new book. Jim W. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From arlen.jose@verizon.net Sun, 23 Oct 2016 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <000001d22d4f$edcbd2f0$c96378d0$@verizon.net> From: "Fred Biasella" Subject: New Crinum Book Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 13:07:24 -0400 Hi Jim, I couldn't agree with you more. Last year I planted c. Super Ellen and expected it to die like the countless other crinums I planted over the years. To my extreme delight not only did it survive, but threw up two blooming spikes. The first one wasn't that strong but the second one was about three feet and was covered in 20 beautiful fragrant purplish blooms. I just finished weeding around it and plant on giving it a good mulch for the winter and hope for the best. Fred Biasella Cambridge (Boston) MA USDA Zone 6b -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 11:23 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] New Crinum Book Dear PBS Friends, Here’s news of a new expanded book on Gardenig with Crinums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7oC9Z4LPM Haven’t seen this book yet, but I grow a number of Crinum in Kansas City where they are very reliable, hardy and floriferous. More northern gardeners should try Crinums in the garden. Congrats to Jenks for a lovely looking new book. Jim W. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: New Crinum Book Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:19:42 -0500 Fred and all, I’ve had Crinum ‘Super Ellen’ in the garden for years. This year over 20 stalks with countless flowers and most upwards of 6 ft tall. Here is Kansas City with lttle or no extra winter care and winter twmps below 0 F. It is a fabulous plant iln all ways, but the one thing gardeners need to know is that it can get big. Leaves and stalks easily reach 6 ft and leaves bend out on all sides. It can get massive. I really need to dig and divide mine, but the process is daunting at this stage. I love it, and I advise every one to try it in northern gardens, but plant it were it can stay for a long time. Not one you want to move very often. Possibly the best Crinum for northern gardens. Jim W. On Oct 23, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Fred Biasella wrote: Hi Jim, I couldn't agree with you more. Last year I planted c. Super Ellen and expected it to die like the countless other crinums I planted over the years. To my extreme delight not only did it survive, but threw up two blooming spikes. The first one wasn't that strong but the second one was about three feet and was covered in 20 beautiful fragrant purplish blooms. I just finished weeding around it and plant on giving it a good mulch for the winter and hope for the best. Fred Biasella Cambridge (Boston) MA USDA Zone 6b _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jane@deskhenge.com Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5a78a570-ca40-a19a-a3f0-e826287dbc41@deskhenge.com> From: Jane Sargent Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 10 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 19:58:35 -0400 Iranian seed: During the time covered by this Iranian seed trading and legal process, there were a number of U.S. companies selling recent Iranian carpets here in the Boston area. They did this with impunity. I can´t imagine Iran getting rich from lily seeds and wonder about what appears to be selective enforcement. Jane On 23/10/2016 12:54 a. m., pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... > (Peter Taggart) > 2. Re: Paramongaia from NZ (Ina Crossley) > 3. Re: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... > (Peter Taggart) > 4. Re: Paramongaia from NZ (Anders Bo Petersen) > 5. Re: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... (BO MAGRYS) > 6. Re: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... (BO MAGRYS) > 7. Re: Paramongaia from NZ (Bruce Schroder) > 8. Re: Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... > (Christian Dietz) > 9. Re: Amaryllis AND. Lycoris (Barbara) > 10. Re: is it possible to send selling offer in this group ? > (Fierycloud) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:48:42 +0100 > From: Peter Taggart > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > For Summer deciduous 'bulbs' it is light levels in Winter, when they are in > leaf and photosynthesising, that is important. Day and night length as well > as temperature may be important for flowering, and more hours of light will > mean more hours of photosynthesising. > Peter (UK) > > On 19 October 2016 at 18:55, Sarah Hinckley wrote: > >> Hi Robin, >> >> I am a beginner with SA bulbs. None of the ones I have have begun to >> flower yet. I have had the greenhouse less than a year. I am just >> presupposing that the light levels in western Washington might be too low >> to get these bulbs to grow and flower successfully. >> >> I really appreciate hearing about others experience! >> >> thanks, >> >> Sarah >> >> >> On 10/19/2016 10:50 AM, Hansen Nursery wrote: >> >>> .... >> >> , although surely more lengthly exposure to light in the summer should >>> compensate for less intensity of light to some degree the further north >>> you >>> live. Can someone comment on this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Robin >>> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 08:51:57 +1300 > From: Ina Crossley > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia from NZ > Message-ID: <2146533d-1ed5-acdc-4dd8-b6b22d81210f@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Is this the winter growing one or the summer growing one Anders? As > Bill Dijk has unmatched clones of these of the winter ones I know for > sure, so probably also for the summer ones. However, unrelated clones > are only one step in getting seeds. For the winter ones the temperature > should stay above 15? C at all times. Which is why in Spain they have > no problem at all in getting seed. > > Our last winter I did get seed setting on my Paramongia weberbauerii. I > did the tricks of microwaving and also of unrelated pollen. At that > stage had not known about the temperature problem, so in the end the > seed pods aborted. > > So far don't know about how my summer ones will go. > > Ina > > On 20/10/2016 2:00 a.m., Anders Bo Petersen wrote: >> I have just received some bulbs of Paramongaia on eBay from New Zealand.The retailer was Don Barclay. Just wonder if anybody knows if his clones are the same as Bill Dijk?The reason for asking is that I know you need two different ones if you want to succeed pollinating them.Regards Anders B. PetersenCopenhagen, Denmark >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:56:28 +0100 > From: Peter Taggart > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Sorry, my last reply; > For Summer deciduous 'bulbs' it is light levels in Winter, when they are in > leaf and photosynthesising, that is important. Day and night length, as > well as temperature may be important for flowering, and more hours of light > will mean more hours of photosynthesising. > Peter (UK) > > was to this: > > "If they aren't flowering at all or poorly, I'd definitely supplement the > light, although surely more lengthly exposure to light in the summer should > compensate for less intensity of light to some degree the further north you > live. Can someone comment on this? > > Thanks, > > Robin" > > > , although surely more lengthly exposure to light in the summer should >>>> compensate for less intensity of light to some degree the further north >>>> you >>>> live. Can someone comment on this? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Robin >>>> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 21:06:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Anders Bo Petersen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia from NZ > Message-ID: <628167867.7511426.1476911216300@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Ina, sorry I meant (of course) the summer growing clone which will be winter here......I bought a bulb from Bill Dijk a couple of years ago. It flowered the first year. I received some som pollen from another grower but didn't succeed.?I expect with the new bulb from Don Barclay, that it?will flower as it had a huge size.? > I did know about the temperature though.?Anders? > > > Den 21:52 onsdag den 19. oktober 2016 skrev Ina Crossley : > > > Is this the winter growing one or the summer growing one Anders?? As > Bill Dijk has unmatched clones of these of the winter ones I know for > sure, so probably also for the summer ones.? However, unrelated clones > are only one step in getting seeds.? For the winter ones the temperature > should stay above 15? C at all times.? Which is why in Spain they have > no problem at all in getting seed. > > Our last winter I did get seed setting on my Paramongia weberbauerii.? I > did the tricks of microwaving and also of unrelated pollen.? At that > stage had not known about the temperature problem, so in the end the > seed pods aborted. > > So far don't know about how my summer ones will go. > > Ina > > On 20/10/2016 2:00 a.m., Anders Bo Petersen wrote: >> I have just received some bulbs of Paramongaia on eBay from New Zealand.The retailer was Don Barclay. Just wonder if anybody knows if his clones are the same as Bill Dijk?The reason for asking is that I know you need two different ones if you want to succeed pollinating them.Regards Anders B. PetersenCopenhagen, Denmark >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:12:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: BO MAGRYS > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... > Message-ID: <67aff91b.5b90.157deca335d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no > > Go on Amazon search LED grow lights. I find them great for orchids and > now the price is very low. > > > Bonaventure in New Jersey > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:17:50 -0400 (EDT) > From: BO MAGRYS > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... > Message-ID: <7cecbeb2.5ba1.157deceb095.Webtop.41@optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no > > Check out: > ?https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GFWZHBI?ref_=pe_2608020_212072880_pd_h0_learn&smid=A357DJE9FZO2YX&pldnSite=1 > > > Bo > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:09:20 +1100 > From: Bruce Schroder > To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia from NZ > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The obvious question Anders but have you asked Bill? I know both Bill and > Ebay's Pigeon Man (is this Don Barclay?) are the summer growing forms which > seems to be the form grown in NZ whereas the form grown (rarely) in > Australia is the winter growing form and there appears to be a couple of > clones of this in the country. > > Bruce Schroder - Melbourne > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 15:35:18 +0200 > From: "Christian Dietz" > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Light levels for growing SA bulbs - Simplified... > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 01:27:43 -0700 > From: "Barbara" > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Amaryllis AND. Lycoris > Message-ID: <021e01d22c3e$2a2ef280$7e8cd780$@adamsranch.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I grow both the amaryllis belladonna and lycoris not sure of the name got both from my mil years ago. The lycoris is blooming right now and it has the bright red flower and no leaves. I > Am in the sierra foothills about 900 ft or less my mil grew them both in Sutter Creek ca in the sierra foothills. I still have some straggling amaryllis growing. I also grow hippeastrums . I am also in the lower sierra foothills. > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 7:10 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Amaryllis AND. Lycoris > > Del Where is ?here? ? Jim > > > On Sep 5, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Del Allegood wrote: > > I grow Hippeastrum and Lycoris.Amaryllis will grow here,but never blooms for me.It wilts and dies back in the heat,even in spring. > > On Monday, September 5, 2016 8:59 AM, James Waddick > wrote: > > > Dear PBS era, > > After our posts about the differences between the two genera, I am > curious if there is any location where a person could actually grow BOTH > Lycoris and Amarylllis in te same garden location outdoors in the ground. > > Does such a place exist? > > Thanks Jim W. > > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > Dr. James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 04:47:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: Fierycloud > To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" > Subject: Re: [pbs] is it possible to send selling offer in this group > ? > Message-ID: <650061222.70602.1477198061621@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello:There are seem some case related to what?Dr. James Waddick mentioned. > https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20160913.aspx > "PanAmerican Seed Company Settles Potential Civil Liability for Alleged Violations of theIranian Transactions and Sanctions Regulations: PanAmerican Seed Company (?PanAmSeed?), West Chicago, Illinois, a division of Ball Horticultural Company (?Ball Horticultural?),has agreed to pay $4,320,000 to settle potential civil liability for alleged violations of the IranianTransactions and Sanctions Regulations, 31 C.F.R. part 560 (ITSR).1 Specifically, OFACalleged that from on or about May 5, 2009 to on or about March 2, 2012, PanAm Seed violated? 560.204 of the ITSR by indirectly exporting seeds, primarily of flowers, to two Iraniandistributors on 48 occasions (collectively referred to hereafter as the ?Alleged Violations?)." > > Though the regulated in the article only refer to the trade from U.S. to Iran.http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=188c8c0095831862eb48e957b0f2fabe&mc=true&node=se31.3.560_1204&rgn=div8"?560.204 ? Prohibited exportation, reexportation, sale, or supply of goods, technology, or services to Iran.Except as otherwise authorized pursuant to this part, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to May 7, 1995, the exportation, reexportation, sale, or supply, directly or indirectly, from the United States, or by a United States person, wherever located, of any goods, technology, or services to Iran or the Government of Iran is prohibited, including the exportation, reexportation, sale, or supply of any goods, technology, or services to a person in a third country undertaken with knowledge or reason to know that:(a) Such goods, technology, or services are intended specifically for supply, transshipment, or reexportation, directly or indire > ctly, to Iran or the Government of Iran; or(b) Such goods, technology, or services are intended specifically for use in the production of, for commingling with, or for incorporation into goods, technology, or services to be directly or indirectly supplied, transshipped, or reexported exclusively or predominantly to Iran or the Government of Iran." > But it also regulates the trade from Iran to U.S.http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=05691b81329da863fa88acdb05d200cb&mc=true&n=sp31.3.560.b&r=SUBPART&ty=HTML#se31.3.560_1206"?560.206 ? Prohibited trade-related transactions with Iran; goods, technology, or services.(a) Except as otherwise authorized pursuant to this part, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to May 7, 1995, no United States person, wherever located, may engage in any transaction or dealing in or related to:(1) Goods or services of Iranian origin or owned or controlled by the Government of Iran; or(2) Goods, technology, or services for exportation, reexportation, sale or supply, directly or indirectly, to Iran or the Government of Iran.(b) For purposes of paragraph (a) of this section, the term transaction or dealing includes but is not limited to purchasing, selling, transporting, swapping, brokering, approving, financing, facilitating, or guarantee > ing." > Some nurseries seem offers the bulbs which oringinated from overseas, and may not list all the origin on the catalog for customer to make choices. Beside the inspection requirement, I was also afraid of been listed on the sanction list. (The reexport plants(seeds) needs both the phytosanitary certificates of the country of the origin and the country of the nursery.)http://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/? It also list foreign individuals. But I don't know if there were cases related to plants. > Su-Hong-CiaoTaiwan > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 165, Issue 10 > ************************************ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From stnalpsoel@gmail.com Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Leo Martin Subject: Iranian seed Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:40:51 -0700 Jane wrote > During the time covered by this Iranian seed trading and legal process, > there were a number of U.S. companies selling recent Iranian carpets > here in the Boston area. They did this with impunity. I can?t imagine > Iran getting rich from lily seeds and wonder about what appears to be > selective enforcement. We in the US have recently had our noses rubbed into the fact that that even the FBI and IRS have different rules for the rich and/or powerful. Leo Martin Zone 9? Phoenix Arizona USA From colemanbob@roadrunner.com Mon, 24 Oct 2016 02:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <20161024085314.0JJU7.250046.root@dnvrco-web18> From: Subject: (no subject) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 4:53:14 -0400 Hi Please remove me from your mailing list. Thank you From david@davidpilling.com Mon, 24 Oct 2016 05:18:18 -0700 Message-Id: <8b2049ac-21d6-08ed-c9d0-c487565752bd@davidpilling.com> From: David Pilling Subject: Who Sir? Me Sir? (list discipline) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 12:39:50 +0100 Hi, Please do not: (1) quote an entire digest when replying to a point in it (2) reply to a digest without changing the subject line (3) send unsubscribe messages to the list (4) send empty messages -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Tue, 25 Oct 2016 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <3D357396-CC04-49FA-856B-CF3A5D120EE5@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> From: Linda Foulis Subject: Lilium pumilum Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 15:42:07 -0600 Hello, Does anyone in the group grow Lilium pumilum? My seed is too old and won't germinate, I'd really like to put this in the new garden if anyone has a few seeds they can send me. Please contact me off list if you have this seed. Thank you. Linda Foulis NE of Rocky Mountain House, AB Zone 1-2 ? From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 26 Oct 2016 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <748133.41862.bm@smtp210.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 412 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:52:02 -0400 Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 412" in the subject line.         SPECIFY THE ITEM NUMBERS. DO NOT SPECIFY QUANTITIES. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money you owe (usually $2.00 – $5.00 per share of seeds or bulbs + postage and packaging charges), and instructions about how to pay. PAYMENT IS DUE AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKAGE.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO UP-TO-DATE MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Dell's email address ds429@frontier.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Jim Barton: (SMALL BULBS/CORMS) 1.       Oxalis caprina 2.       Conanthera trimaculata 3.       Babiana sp.  ex SA 4.       Ornithogalum maculatum 5.       Oxalis obtusa 6.       Oxalis obtusa MV 5414A 7.       Oxalis fabifolia 8.       Lachenalia anguinea 9.       Gladiolus tristis x alatus 10.   Gladiolus virescens 11.   Gladiolus alatus 12.   Gladiolus cf. violaceo-lineatus 13.   Chasmanthe floribunda 14.   Sparaxis hybrids from Hadeco 15.   Amaryllis belladonna  hyb, mixed 16.   Sparaxis grandiflora subsp. violacea    From Jane McGary:   17.   Seeds of Paeonia cambessedesii 18.   Seeds of Cyclamen graecum From Angelo Porcelli:  19.   Seeds of Paeonia mascula ‘Gargano’ 20.   Seeds of Calostemma purpureum   From Keshab Pradhan:   21.   Bulbils of Globba schomburgkii (Zingiberaceae) From Kathleen Sayce:   22.   Seeds of Amaryllis belladonna, dark pink (FEW) From Uli Urban:   23.   Begonia gracilis var martiana. BULBILS They look like seed but are miniature tubers which are produced in large numbers on the nodes. They should not dry out completely but best "sown" now in a small pot and kept just a little moist from time to time. They will eventually sprout fairly late in May or June, flower the second year. Beautiful upright plant to 75cm tall with large slightly fragrant pink flowers. fully dormant in winter, prone to mildew in autumn.   24.   Seeds of Clivia miniata 'Belgian Strain' In the family for well over hundred years.... This is the broad leaved and large flowered form. I grow another more dainty form with narrow leaves and smaller flowers from another branch of the family.... as old. Easy but slow from seed. (FEW)   25.   Cyrtanthus labiatus, not flowered for me so far, fleshy bulbs above ground, produces lots and lots of bulbils. From the Müller-Doblies couple. Identity is certain.   26.   Cyrtanthus sp. or Strumaria sp.. Same type of bulb, fleshy above ground, even more bulbils, no flower as well. Identity is not certain, so far unflowered. From John Lavranos.   27. Seeds of Scadoxus multiflorus subsp katharinae.  From Essen Botanical Garden, they have a most impressive giant specimen in a huge tub and sell young seedlings. Slow at first but worth the patience. Big red flower heads in spring. Not fully dormant in winter with me, makes a flush of new stemmed foliage in spring.   28. Nymphaea sp., tropical blue viviparous. Forms small leaf tubers at the end of the season when the water gets cooler. These LEAF TUBERS can be stored in moist sphagnum, I treated them with a whiff of fungicide before posting, Leaf tubers are much easier to store than adult tubers. Start in spring in a heated aquarium with extra light and plant into a warm pond or large container in full sun when spring weather has warmed up, late May or early June with me. Feed with Osmocote, this does not trouble the water. I have had better results storing the adult potted tubers with almost all the foliage cut off. Stood in a large bucket in a frost free greenhouse in unheated water it made almost no growth until the days got longer and the temperature rose. Adult tubers stored in sphagnum ALWAYS rotted. Beautiful purplish-blue flowers above the water, exquisitely scented.   Thank you, Jim, Jane, Angelo, Keshab, Kathleen, and Uli !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ramato2210@gmail.com Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: romain amato Subject: Paramongaia from NZ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:34:26 +0200 Hello 2 years ago I bought 2 bulbs from him. They were strong bulbs ans they flowered last year, but the cross pollination didn't get anything. I live in France, they start growing in february and stop in june. I daresay it is the winter growing form. I store them at 18° during winter. I lost one of them this year from overheating and overwatering...xhat a pity... Bye Romain Amato _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1265123264.1735325.1477511722789@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Correction to Pacific Bulb Society BX 412 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Duh, I mistakenly gave donor kudos to Jim Barton (who deserves them too) instead of to Ernie DeMarie, the actual donor of items 1 - 16 on BX 412. Forgive me, Ernie! Dell From ds429@frontier.com Thu, 27 Oct 2016 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1120054328.2243650.1477571724017@mail.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: PBS BX 412 CLOSED Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Packages should go out in a week. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From ramato2210@gmail.com Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: romain amato Subject: Paramongaia from NZ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:38:32 +0200 Hello Anders Mine take the same way as yours : the second year, when they flowered, they were smaller than when I got them. This year the only one remaining is still smaller. My soil is a mix of sand (40%), perlite (20%) and compost (40%). I water all my bulbs with few organic fertilizer, and their pot is very large and deep (30 cm diameter and 40 cm deep). From klazina1@gmail.com Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ina Crossley Subject: Paramongaia from NZ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:09:35 +1300 Romain, as the 2 bulbs you bought would be offsets from the same bulb, they won't set seed. It needs an unrelated clone to be successful in pollination. And that it not the whole story either. Best to enjoy these as they are. Anders,I suspect that one cannot totally replicate the climate where these ones come from. So it may not be the mix that is the problem. I wonder who else is growing these in cooler/cold climates. As for mix, I use 1/2 pumice, the rest a mix of soil and coarse sand. It is more important to get the watering right. Mine thrive, and are on the porch, get filtered sun I guess. When in growth they need lots of feeding. Once they start to show a leaf which is going dormant, I don't water, although the mix retains quite a bit of moisture, so they are never bone dry. Winter temperatures range from minus 4 - 18ºC. The minus 4 melts off as soon as the sun comes up, and of course the bulbs are protected from that, the porch never gets any frost. Others may have other mixes which work well. This is just my personal experience. https://get.google.com/albumarchive/105705718728872493718/album/AF1QipMofpG1nUBlTD-8UBjIcVPMAv1JNQH33PXZDYnA?source=pwa&authKey=CKKM4puW3qyR7wE Ina On 27/10/2016 9:53 a.m., Anders Bo Petersen wrote: > Romain, I was about to lose mine as well because of the same reasons as you mentioned. I still have the first bulb I bought but it's been growing smaller instead of bigger. I have got some of the cactus mix from the Botanical Garden which consists of 8 different minerals/soil. I know that the it is perfect for many bulb species because they thrive. Would like to hear from other growers what kind of soil mix they use. How often they fertilise and with what. Anders - Copenhagen From jane@deskhenge.com Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane Sargent Subject: good news about bulbs (corms) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 12:32:44 -0400 Last fall, on a whim, I planted a row in my my outdoors experiment garden with the seeds that were on my Crocosmia Lucifer plants, and then forgot all about them. Now I have a dense row of good-sized Crocosmia plants. Perhaps they will bloom next summer. Gosh, that was easy! Lucifer is the only one that reliably overwinters here. We´ll see whether Lucifer´s demon spawn will. (Serious zone 5.) Usually I just do irises and daylilies from seed. I always plant the tree peony seeds (definitely not a bulb,) and they never sprout. I´m too impatient to do daffodils. Jane _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From klazina1@gmail.com Sat, 29 Oct 2016 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ina Crossley Subject: Paramongaia from NZ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:13:07 +1300 I use organic fertilisers Anders. Seasol (seaweed solution), Megafol (organo-mineral liquid, smells like Marmite) and Nitrosol (liquid blood and bone). I alternate these to whichever I fancy. Feed whenever you water, and they do like water when in growth to keep them moist. Mine also got some rain on them. Ina On 28/10/2016 8:54 a.m., Anders Bo Petersen wrote: > Ina, when I got my first Paramongaia there was an extra small bulb included. I gave it to the Botanical Garden here in Copenhagen. I saw the plant this spring. The bulb had grown quite big and is sure that it will flower in a year or two.You could be right about we not feed the bulbs enough though. What kind of fertiliser are you using - the same as for orchids, or? Anders > > > Den 21:10 torsdag den 27. oktober 2016 skrev Ina Crossley: > > > Romain, as the 2 bulbs you bought would be offsets from the same bulb, > they won't set seed. It needs an unrelated clone to be successful in > pollination. And that it not the whole story either. Best to enjoy > these as they are. > > Anders,I suspect that one cannot totally replicate the climate where > these ones come from. So it may not be the mix that is the problem. I > wonder who else is growing these in cooler/cold climates. > > As for mix, I use 1/2 pumice, the rest a mix of soil and coarse sand. > It is more important to get the watering right. Mine thrive, and are on > the porch, get filtered sun I guess. When in growth they need lots of > feeding. Once they start to show a leaf which is going dormant, I don't > water, although the mix retains quite a bit of moisture, so they are > never bone dry. > > Winter temperatures range from minus 4 - 18ºC. The minus 4 melts off as > soon as the sun comes up, and of course the bulbs are protected from > that, the porch never gets any frost. > > Others may have other mixes which work well. This is just my personal > experience. > > https://get.google.com/albumarchive/105705718728872493718/album/AF1QipMofpG1nUBlTD-8UBjIcVPMAv1JNQH33PXZDYnA?source=pwa&authKey=CKKM4puW3qyR7wE From klazina1@gmail.com Sat, 29 Oct 2016 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <26220a13-7680-d6b2-3ead-5d5286ef33a1@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Paramongaia from NZ CORRECTION Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:34:23 +1300 I use organic fertilisers Anders. Seasol (seaweed solution), Megafol (organo-mineral liquid, smells like Marmite) and Nitrosol (liquid blood and bone). I alternate these to whichever I fancy. And DON'T USE these at full strength. Feed whenever you water, and they do like water when in growth to keep them moist. Mine also got some rain on them. Ina On 28/10/2016 8:54 a.m., Anders Bo Petersen wrote: > Ina, when I got my first Paramongaia there was an extra small bulb included. I gave it to the Botanical Garden here in Copenhagen. I saw the plant this spring. The bulb had grown quite big and is sure that it will flower in a year or two.You could be right about we not feed the bulbs enough though. What kind of fertiliser are you using - the same as for orchids, or? Anders > > > Den 21:10 torsdag den 27. oktober 2016 skrev Ina Crossley: > > > Romain, as the 2 bulbs you bought would be offsets from the same bulb, > they won't set seed. It needs an unrelated clone to be successful in > pollination. And that it not the whole story either. Best to enjoy > these as they are. > > Anders,I suspect that one cannot totally replicate the climate where > these ones come from. So it may not be the mix that is the problem. I > wonder who else is growing these in cooler/cold climates. > > As for mix, I use 1/2 pumice, the rest a mix of soil and coarse sand. > It is more important to get the watering right. Mine thrive, and are on > the porch, get filtered sun I guess. When in growth they need lots of > feeding. Once they start to show a leaf which is going dormant, I don't > water, although the mix retains quite a bit of moisture, so they are > never bone dry. > > Winter temperatures range from minus 4 - 18ºC. The minus 4 melts off as > soon as the sun comes up, and of course the bulbs are protected from > that, the porch never gets any frost. > > Others may have other mixes which work well. This is just my personal > experience. > > https://get.google.com/albumarchive/105705718728872493718/album/AF1QipMofpG1nUBlTD-8UBjIcVPMAv1JNQH33PXZDYnA?source=pwa&authKey=CKKM4puW3qyR7wE From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat, 29 Oct 2016 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <77c1f0f1-9ad1-7871-4aa4-cfeb06f1fed5@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Fwd: PBS website contact:need help identifying African pelargonium Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 15:51:06 -0700 Could someone interested in East African Pelargonium species please reply directly to Kayla Schubert at the address below? This inquiry came via the PBS website. Thanks! Jane McGary Membership Coordinator -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PBS website contact:need help identifying African pelargonium Date: 29 Oct 2016 13:01:33 -0400, Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:01:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Apache Reply-To: Layla Schubert To: janemcgary@earthlink.net This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. Hi, I collected seed from a roadside pelargonium on the Serengeti in Tanzania. It has myrrh-scented leaves and turquoise flowers with long tubes. I can\'t find anything close to it. Can you help me? Many thanks, Kayla Schubert -- Pacific Bulb Society web site email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org From ksayce@willapabay.org Sat, 29 Oct 2016 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <39B08B12-F462-466C-818F-6AFD614699BD@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: cold frame Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 16:18:59 -0700 I cleaned out my cold frame today, in a sunshine break after weeks of rain and high wind. Found a Moraea in flower, also the tiny Polyxena longituba, seeds originally from Mary Sue (Thanks, MS, they are one more flower in the off season). The surprise was the Moraea, in a pot of what is otherwise Zephyranthes. Blue with a yellow signal. My goal tomorrow (weather permitting) is to transplant all the remaining rain lilies in to much deeper pots to give the bulbs room to grow. I also checked open garden beds for bulbs/corms, and as I had suspected, the squirrels and chipmunks have eaten all the fall crocus. I intend to replant, but in buried wire mesh boxes. . . building those boxes sounds like a good winter project. Kathleen PNW, zone 8, wet winters, cool dry summers From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <84f7b1e9-158d-5974-7adb-91575289e73d@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: cold frame Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 18:20:08 -0700 Kathleen wrote, "I also checked open garden beds for bulbs/corms, and as I had suspected, the squirrels and chipmunks have eaten all the fall crocus. I intend to replant, but in buried wire mesh boxes. . . building those boxes sounds like a good winter project." If the culprits are squirrels and chipmunks, you probably don't need whole boxes -- just a surface barrier of, say, aviary wire (like chicken wire but with smaller openings) or some kind of heavy plastic mesh such as is used for temporary fencing. However, if voles are to blame, you need underground barriers. I've had a lot of success with heavy plastic mesh pots used for aquatic plants (you need the ones with mesh on the bottom as well as the sides. (Kathleen, I have some extra ones if you would like to get them when you're in Portland.) I had trouble with chipmunks where I used to live, but there are none (and no voles or field mice) at my new home. So far the squirrels haven't dug up bulbs or tubers, even the cyclamen tubers that are near the surface; I think the many oak trees here keep them satisfied, along with all the neighborhood bird feeders. Today I saw one on my bulb lawn eating something, but it proved to be only a mushroom. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: PBS website contact:need help identifying African pelargonium Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 23:02:53 -0500 Contact Ernie De Marie ( pelarg@aol.com ) aboiut African Pelargonium. Jim W. On Oct 29, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Jane McGary wrote: Could someone interested in East African Pelargonium species please reply directly to Kayla Schubert at the address below? This inquiry came via the PBS website. Thanks! Jane McGary Membership Coordinator -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PBS website contact:need help identifying African pelargonium Date: 29 Oct 2016 13:01:33 -0400, Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:01:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Apache Reply-To: Layla Schubert To: janemcgary@earthlink.net This is a message from the PBS website for janemcgary. Hi, I collected seed from a roadside pelargonium on the Serengeti in Tanzania. It has myrrh-scented leaves and turquoise flowers with long tubes. I can\'t find anything close to it. Can you help me? Many thanks, Kayla Schubert -- Pacific Bulb Society web site email: website@pacificbulbsociety.org Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 From ksayce@willapabay.org Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: cold frame Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:57:57 -0700 Open mesh on top sounds easier, but if I’m going to spend $$ on bulbs, I think boxes are better! Thanks for the suggestions, Jane. Kathleen From teck11@embarqmail.com Mon, 31 Oct 2016 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <002501d233e7$210f2bb0$632d8310$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: cold frame Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 22:24:52 -0400 I have had good luck keeping voles out of my saffron bed by laying 1/2 inch hardware cloth along the top of the ground, but you must extend it a foot past the last bulb and bury the edges so when they smell the bulbs and start digging they are stymied. Friends build coldframe-like boxes and cover with hardware cloth clad lids, but unless the carpentry is excellent, they are not as secure. My way is tougher to weed but you can use roundup or vinegar during dormancy. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Sayce > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:58 PM > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] cold frame > > Open mesh on top sounds easier, but if I'm going to spend $$ on bulbs, I think > boxes are better! Thanks for the suggestions, Jane. > > Kathleen > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki