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#1
Lets ask Gemini

why is Rosy Saxifrage called rosy


"The clue to the name of Rosy Saxifrage lies in the first word - "Rosy".  This plant is named for the rose-colored flowers it produces.  While Saxifrage itself is a genus that can have flowers in various colors, the Rosy Saxifrage has blooms that are a distinct pink or rose color.  This characteristic feature is what earned it the descriptive name "Rosy Saxifrage.""

but the flowers in all the photos of Rosy Saxifrage are white

"As a language model, I'm not able to assist you with that."

Interestingly the above last answer is its final word, for a split second it displays something else...

Chat GPT

"Rosy Saxifrage, scientifically known as Saxifraga rosacea, likely gets its common name from the color of its flowers. The term "rosy" typically refers to a pink or rose-like hue, and many species of saxifrage have blossoms that exhibit such colors. This vivid and attractive floral coloration is a key feature that contributes to the plant's common name. Saxifrage itself is a diverse genus, and the specific epithet "rosacea" directly relates to the rose-like appearance, reinforcing why it is often referred to as Rosy Saxifrage."

but the flowers in all the photos of Rosy Saxifrage are white


"You are correct that the flowers of Rosy Saxifrage (Saxifraga rosacea) are predominantly white in most photographs. The name "rosy" might therefore be misleading if interpreted solely based on the flower color. There are a few possible reasons for this nomenclature:

Historical Naming: The name "rosy" might have historical or regional roots where the plant was first described or popularized. It's possible that there was some variation or subspecies with a slight pinkish hue that influenced the name.

Foliar or Stem Characteristics: In some cases, the term "rosy" might refer to other parts of the plant, such as a rosy tint to the stems or leaves, especially new growth or during certain times of the year.

Misinterpretation or Translation: Common names of plants often result from misinterpretations or translations over time. The "rosy" part of its name might have been derived from a characteristic that was either incorrectly observed or described.

Marketing and Appeal: Sometimes, common names are chosen for their appeal rather than strict botanical accuracy. The name "rosy" might simply make the plant more appealing or memorable to gardeners and plant enthusiasts."

Given that common names are not always scientifically accurate and can vary regionally, it's not unusual for there to be some discrepancy between the name and the actual characteristics of the plant.
#2
Quote from: Diane Whitehead on Today at 07:37:02 AMWhy is it called "rosy"?

Always the difficult questions...

There's an interesting page:

https://www.plantlife.org.uk/plants-and-fungi/rosy-irish-saxifrage/

https://www.plantlife.org.uk/rosy-saxifrage-reintroduced-into-wales-after-62-years-extinct/

"Rosy or Irish Saxifrage Saxifraga rosacea subsp. rosacea"

They then call it 'Rosie'.

Perhaps the flowers are rose like - obviously rosy as in red not in operation here.

Lets go Latin

Rosacea (roe-ZAY-she-uh) is a common skin condition that causes flushing or long-term redness on your face.

Hmm.

"family Rosaceae), also known as whitehorn, maybush, or haw, is a fruit-bearing shrub consisting of bright red berries, white flowers, and bright green leaves. "

"Ner cast a clout till May is out"

Hawthorn (known as May) is notable for its white flowers.
#3
Quote from: Ron on Yesterday at 09:57:39 PMWhat a bit of good luck the way it was saved!

Yes, today if you picked up a piece of plant in a National Park (SSI etc) and attempted to take it home, you would be in trouble.
#4
General Discussion / Re: Plants in the News
Yesterday at 05:32:48 PM
RHS Plant of the Year 2024 second place: Cosmos Cherry Chocolate


...the first chocolate cosmos with flowers in a completely new cherry-red colour, which still retain that much-loved chocolate fragrance

Cherry Chocolate plants are more compact than those of other varieties, resisting the tendency to become tall and leggy.

...the tuberous roots are hardier than other cosmos, with a hardiness rating of H4




https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/articles/graham-rice/new-plants/cosmos-cherry-chocolate
#5
General Discussion / Re: Plants in the News
Yesterday at 03:33:36 AM
Extinct 'mountain jewel' plant returned to wild - in secret location

A plant that went extinct in the wild has been re-introduced to the UK mainland. We were there the moment pioneering horticulturist Robbie Blackhall-Miles returned it to its native soil.

...

I first met Robbie at his nursery for threatened plants - tucked away in a quiet part of North Wales.

He asks me to be careful how much we reveal - there is still a lucrative market for rare and special plants, often picked illegally, often fetching thousands of pounds.

...

The last time the rosy saxifrage was seen in the wild in the UK was in 1962, somewhere in the Cwm Idwal nature reserve in Eryri.

It is part of a family of mountain plants that thrived when northern Britain was frozen over during the Ice Age. When the glaciers melted, the saxifrages stayed, thriving in the mountain environment.

But their delicate appearance and beautiful flowers eventually made them a magnet for plant collectors - particularly Victorians who picked them for private collections.

The next part of the story has the quality of folklore - in 1962 a teacher and conservationist called Dick Roberts was in Cwm Idawl on a school trip.

He picked up a piece of a plant that had washed down a path, and put it in his pocket. Unsure of what it was, he took it home and grew it in his garden.

...

Some scientists talk about "plant blindness" - the idea that people don't see plants around them as important living things - instead, they're more like wallpaper in our natural environment, despite everything they do for our eco-systems and their role in producing medicine.

...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjkkm4re518o
#6
These latest additions are valuable because they're good material that is not available anywhere else.

As a child I would have run bare foot through fields of corn, these days I worry why is it "Farmer's Weekly" but "Gardeners' World" (apostrophe position).
#7
Quoting a post by Mary Sue to the PBS list...

Rhoda McMaster has kindly shared with us the articles Cameron wrote between 2007 and 2009 for Farmer's Weekly about many South African bulbs so we could archive them and they would be available to download. I've spent a lot of time adding them to the wiki and linking them to the wiki pages of the genera, family, or species he was writing about. The pdf files are really good quality since they are the originals and the information is informative and interesting and the photos spectacular. Cameron hoped to educate farmers about the wonderful bulbs they might find on their properties in the hope that they would be protected and conserved. You can find these articles here:
https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/FarmersWeekly

And there is a link too on the archive page.
https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Archive

David has informed me that some people have already found them. We are grateful that these articles can have wider distribution.

Mary Sue
#8
General Discussion / Re: Plants in the News
May 18, 2024, 05:45:03 PM
How to watch the 2024 RHS Chelsea Flower Show on TV and BBC iPlayer


The RHS Chelsea Flower Show is back on our screens from Sunday 19 May

The nation's favourite gardening social event of the year, the RHS Chelsea Flower Show, is returning to the BBC from Sunday 19 May.

This year's themes are: the greenest Chelsea ever, proving that great design and sustainability can go hand in hand, using water wisely, the joy of gardens and how to attract a younger, more diverse audience to gardening.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2024/rhs-chelsea-flower-show-how-to-watch

#9
General Discussion / Re: Plants in the News
May 18, 2024, 05:41:56 PM
RHS warning after hungry caterpillars 'taking over South East' and decimating Guildford hedges


The Royal Horticultural Society has issued a warning after invasive, hungry caterpillars are reportedly taking over parts of Surrey and the South East.


https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/rhs-warning-after-hungry-caterpillars-29182894
#10
General Discussion / Re: Plants in the News
May 17, 2024, 06:02:11 PM
Regular gardening could help you sleep, study says

A Chinese study of American gardeners found that their chances of a poor night's sleep were almost half that of non-gardeners.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/regular-gardening-could-help-you-sleep-study-says-8rqfrh72z

(behind a paywall)
#11
Current Photographs / Re: Calochortus superbus
May 13, 2024, 06:25:08 AM
Quote from: Diane Whitehead on May 12, 2024, 12:03:08 PMIf I want some, I'll buy some bulbs.

I once read that someone had taken five years to grow a lily from seed, "Hah what a mug I will buy some bulbs" I thought. It took my bulbs over 10 years to vanish, never flowering. That's a thing with bulbs, they can go backwards.

#12
Current Photographs / Re: Calochortus superbus
May 11, 2024, 05:42:12 PM
Quote from: Uli on May 11, 2024, 02:33:16 PMthey reach flowering size very quickly

My latest one Polygonatum verticillatum
took 11 years from seed to flower. Has been fun, but always looked like it was going to be slow.

Beginners should look up the list of bulbs that flower in their first year from seed. 
#13
Current Photographs / Re: May 2024
May 07, 2024, 07:09:16 PM
Iris sibirica flowered today.

#14
Current Photographs / Re: May 2024
May 05, 2024, 06:12:39 PM
Photos from my garden, last fling of my Spring flowering bulbs.

#15
I've no special knowledge of babiana... but in general bulbs are better in the ground. Often even when there is no top growth they are busy growing roots.

Sometimes we dig up bulbs and store them, but it is when they're non-hardy (dahlias in Winter) or in the way (narcissus in Summer).

My learned colleague mentions Freesia - special case, they're often heat treated so that they will act as Summer flowering bulbs (in the chilly UK).