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Hi, I ordered both N. falcata or N. krigei falcata from SABC, one from Stilfontein which seems to be the right thing:



And the "regular" one which seems another species,. I know that it is difficult without flowers, but are there any hints?



I now find it strange that this Nerine is listed as "spiral leaf Nerine" when krigei is not particularly spiralled, or at least leaves should be wider (or are the bulbs still young?)... I am new to Nerine and most SA bulbs.

Thanks

Hi, it is summer, there are few posts, and I was given some bulbs of an Albuca that made me research a bit, so I'm afraid this is another one of my posts on misapplied names.

I got this plant [Albuca 'spiralis' ex Château Pérouse, from EX02 20240312 https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php?topic=820.msg5741#msg5741] identified as Albuca viscosa but I have looked at the first descriptions of Albuca in the narrow sense and they are plants with (mostly) nodding flowers with three spread outer tepals and the inner tepals united hiding THREE fertile stamens.

But there are some species with six spreading tepals, yellow or white with a green central stripe, and SIX fertile stamens. These plantas were placed in two genera, Coilonox and Nemaulax, by the US botanist Rafinesque, who has been largely ignored and is considered an ultra-splitter, but from what I have read in modern studies based both on morphology, biochemical compounds and genetic analysis, he was right in many, many cases.

Albuca viscosa was described by Linnaeus's son in his Supplementum Plantarum of 1781 as "Albuca floribus erectis, foliis linearibus villoso-viscosis. Habitat in Cap. Bonae Spei. thunberg"

That is "Albuca with ERECT flowers, linear, glandular-pubescent leaves. Habitat in the Cape of Good Hope. Thunberg".

The reference to "Thunberg" is to a dried specimen in a herbarium. As it was cited by Linnaeus, it is "original material" and the type for the taxon (but as Linnaeus did not include the word Typus, a formal typification should have been made, I have not checked if it has been done).

A few years later, the Swedish botanist Jonas Dryander placed Albuca viscosa within the division "All stamens fertile", and added to the original description "petalis interioribus apice fornicatis*, foliis piloso-glandulosis", that is "Inner tepals arched at the apex, glandular-pubescent leaves.

[*fornicatus,-a,-um (adj.): arched, provided with small arched scale-like appendages in the corolla-tube, lit. 'vaulted, i.e. an arched structure, a space covered by an arched structure [especially underground; taken from A grammatical dictionary of Botanical Latin, www.mobot.org]

Thunberg was also Swedish and Dryander could see his herbarium and the sheet of Albuca viscosa, which is now in the Upsala herbarium (UPS V-008245) but not digitised online, unfortunately. But it is quite obvious that the six fertile stamens can be seen in the specimen, and so he added the information to the description of the plant.

To sum up, it is clear (for me) that true Albuca viscosa has erect flowers with a rotate perianth, with six fertile stamens and arched or hooded tips in the inner tepals, probably with a tuft of hairs. All these traits were used by Rafinesque to define Coilonox,  a genus which has been "resurrected" by a Spanish team in my region, in the Alicante University, and Michael F. Fay from Kew Gardens, UK.

Molecular phylogenetics of subfamily Ornithogaloideae (Hyacinthaceae) based on nuclear and plastid DNA regions, including a new taxonomic arrangement. Annals of Botany 107(1):1-37

(PDF) Molecular phylogenetics of subfamily Ornithogaloideae (Hyacinthaceae) based on nuclear and plastid DNA regions, including a new taxonomic arrangement (researchgate.net)
Sadly, the only Coilonox included in their study were concordianum, polyphyllum, secundum and suaveolens, so we have no confirmation of Albuca viscosa being a Coilonox other than that made through morphology, and they did not include any Nemaulax (fastigiata, for example, type for the genus).

Personally, Goldblatt and Manning were very good at Iridaceae, but just messed it all up in Hyacinthaceae by recombining many species into Ornithogalum and keeping all Drimia. I think that the research of Martínez-Azorín et al. should be added to the Wiki.

Final remark: if the plants growing near @Robin Jangle are not spiralis and not viscosa, what are they? Maybe my plant is Albuca spiralis after all?

Hi, I have been researching a bit on the local Hymenocallis and I think it might be Hymenocallis guatemalensis, but there is not much information on it.

I would like to get in contact with the collector to know if the plant was found in a wild station or cultivated.

https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Hymenocallis/Hymenocallis_sp_ex_Guatemala.jpg

Hi, I know it's not been a long time since the seeds were distributed, but has anyone got flowers on these, or has plants?

23 13 Hippeastrum correiense syn. Hippeastrum aulicum var. glaucophyllum 'Luna' Mauro Peixoto

SX11-560. Hippeastrum aulicum var. glaucophyllum – Luna – PBS

And any of these aulicum from SX11:

391. Hippeastrum aulicum - Corupá
557. Hippeastrum aulicum – Benedito Novo
558. Hippeastrum aulicum – Quiririm
559. Hippeastrum aulicum – Parati-Cunha 
561. Hippeastrum aulicum – Testa do Macaco
562. Hippeastrum aulicum – Biritiba

Thanks!!

Carlos

Hi, I was looking for the article where H. pampeanum was published and found this in the old mailing list:



Hippeastrum pampeanum, Hippeastrum lara-ricoi - informationLuca Bove (Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:46:11 PST)

Hi all I would like to ask for more information on 2 species of Hippeastrum:
Hippeastrum lara-ricoi (Moya, Villalba & Zenteno) Hippeastrum pampeanum.

Can anyone share the official description of plants?

Regards
Luca>

<Jane McGary (Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:28:23 PST)
Although the monograph on Hippeastrum in Bolivia that we hope to publish someday is by Raul Lara Rico, a senior botanist of that country, that species named in his honor apparently doesn't come from Bolivia, and the other Luca mentions is almost certainly from Argentina.

So, sorry, Idon't have this information.Jane McGary>

I happen to be also looking for the paper of H lara-ricoi.

The journal asks for $20 and I was about to pay, even if I hate having to pay for scientific papers as I know that the money does not go to authors, but it's not so expensive after all, but if someone wants to share the amount...

H. lara-ricoi

One page with photos from the paper is shown when you launch the name:



It is indeed a Bolivian plant, apparently very similar, if not the same, as H. yungacense and 'H. escobaruriae'.

I was thinking that it is the plant sold as yungacense by Telos, but it rather seems a hybrid (Kiara?)



What I consider 'typical' yungacense has flowers of a dull garnet red, even more zygomorphic and reminding of glaucescens that the previous two:



But one could consider that it is intraspecific variation. Both types grow in the same area.

Regarding H pampeanum, the name is misleading as they also call 'pampa' some grassy habitats in Southern Brazil. In addition to this, the name is not in IPNI, so I doubt that it has been published at all.

Telos offers this plant as well, from seed of Regis Bastian surely.

There is something going on with multi-flowered red Hippeastrum in Southern Brazil, as for a long time there was 'only' sanctae-catarinae, but suddenly the splitting fever burst up and now 'there are' laklano, multiflorum, pampeanum, ramboi and one more I forgot, I think.

Even Bastian admits that some are probably the same (I recommend the groups 'Amaryllidaceae: home for all' and 'Planet Botanical Hippeastrum' on Facebook. Even Lara Rico's posts are seen there).

A Russian living in Italy is selling all of them, grown from seed bought from Mauro Peixoto (laklano) and Bastian (the rest). I will buy one of each for my project.

Carlos

Second research on taxonomy of Hippeastrum, this one was even more fun as it involved transcribing a German text in gothic script into "good" latin alphabet and asking help of another member, Uli, for translation, and another member (or two) for an old paper, Michael Hormick.

In the book Hippeastrum in Bolivia, Lara & al. said (a bit carelessly, for my way of working) that H. warscewiczianum is a synonym of H. mandonii. Then they say that, well, maybe not.

So Carlos thought "there is something going on here" and he went to the original sources.

H. mandonii is easy if you have someone to scan the journal, and I fortunately did. The description is rather lousy but there is an explcit mention to a specimen, which resulted to be several duplicates of a gathering by Mandon near Sorata, in the La Paz department, in the pre-Andes at 2700 m (8800-9000 ft).

Some of the specimens are in a very poor state but some still show the red-tipped petals and the falcate shape of the outer lower tepals. So it was clear, the plant described as H,. mandonii is this:

H. mandonii PBS Wiki

Specimen in Kew Herbarium:

H, mandonii Kew

H. mandonii Paris

I will finish later...

Hi, I tried to resist but I am finally into Southern Amaryllidaceae, both American and African, for collecting and scientific and conservation purposes.

Taxonomy and nomenclature fall within the scientific part. I started with Hippeastrum.

Thanks to Michael Homick and Paul's efforts I have been able to read many of Traub's descriptions, and hopefully I will have those of Pierfelice (Pedro Félix) Ravenna.

As I soon found out, Traub was a splitter and/or did not read previous papers, and many of his 'species' are useless or synonyms of earlier names (Amaryllis fosteri = stylosum). But I think ferreyrae is good.

Amaryllis ferreyrae was described in Plant Life 6: 62 (1950) from a tiny island in the river Huallaga a couple of loops north of a village known as Yurimaguas, in the Peruvian Amazon basin, as follows (Traub used 'tepalsegs' for the tepals proper:

Bulb with a short neck, 2 cm. long ; leaves 3-4, contemporary with the flowers in September (Peru), to 55 cm long, 3 cm at the middle, lorate-lanceolate-acute above, narrowed to 6 mm at the base ; peduncle 15-19 cm tall, about 1.5 cm in diameter at the base, 4 5 mm at the apex; umbel 2-flowered; spathe 2-valved, valves free to the base, lanceolate, 6 cm long; pedicels 8-9.5 cm. long; ovary 10 mm long, 6 mm wide; perigone wide open, red; tepaltube slender, 2.5 cm long; paraperigone absent; the perigone-limb of 6 tepalsegs 9 cm. long, tepalsegs
3-4 cm wide at the middle, pointed at the apex; the 6 stamens of 4 sets of lengths, attached at the mouth of the tepaltube, 6.5 cm long, slightly shorter than the style which is shorter than the tepalsegs ; stamens and style declinate-ascending; anthers 7 mm long; stigma flat, triangular on top. Type specimen Ferreyra 4997, accession in Traub Herbarium nos. 111-112. Collected by Dr. Ramon Ferreyra on the Isla Santa Maria, near Yurimaguas, Huallaga Valley, Dept. Loreto, Peru, alt. 150 200 m.
in the forest, Sept. 16, 1948.

Notes. This fine species belongs in the Subgenus Aschamia. It differs from Amaryllis Leopoldii in color pattern of the flower, and in having less regular tepalsegs, and shorter stamens and style, and from Amaryllis Reginae in having leaves fully developed with the flowers, spathe-valves shorter than the pedicels, a longer tepaltube, and a style shorter than the tepalsegs. Amaryllis Ferreyrae will represent a fine addition to the germplasm collection of the Amaryllis breeder. It is named in honor of Dr. Ramon Ferreyra.


So, we have a synanthous plant, with red flowers and no paraperigone, related to H reginae and H. leopoldii.

My point is: the photos in the PBS Wiki don't seem to me to fit this description, it seems a hybrid or a variation of H. puniceum. Puniceum has a fimbriated paraperigone.

https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/HippeastrumSpeciesOne#

https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/HippeastrumSpeciesOne#


Images of what some observers consider H. ferreyrae:

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/69428136

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193090067

Puniceum in the Peruvian Amazon:

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/190503647
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/181612055

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/67999248

Some seem to have the line on tepals 3 and 5.

I'll be back with more.

Carlos

A bit late due to unusually (getting to be usual) hot weather in autumn and early winter.

Narcissus × bastitanus (blancoi × cantabricus). Two individuals.

 

And Uli's early strain of bulbocodium, which is not just bulbocodium, but I still don't know how to name (NOT obesus).



Carlos

Hi, some already know that I have started a quest to get some South American Amaryllidaceae (also South African).

A person in Peru tells me he has "Clinanthus bicolor" available, but I can't find any information on this name.

The plant seems quite distinct, though, does anyone know what it is?



Thanks

Carlos

Hi, after being sent a paper which changes many things on Crocus nomenclature here, I started some research.

I am looking for any of these numbers for purchase or exchange, specially the first one:

JJA352.099 : CROCUS SEROTINUS subsp. SALZMANNII Spain, Granada, Sierra Nevada below Peñones de San Francisco, 2300m. Turf in NW-facing depression. (A strongly stoloniferous race from alpine-turf. We came across it in 1970 but, other than recording its existence, no-one has thought it worth distinguishing. We have not seen any other quite like it but the C. serotinus group is more than a little complicated. Small corms with long, couch-grass-like stolons. Profuse, pale lilac flowers in autumn.)

JJA352.003 : CROCUS SEROTINUS subsp. SALZMANNII Morocco, Mischliffen = ABS4350

JJA352.004 : CROCUS SEROTINUS subsp. SALZMANNII Morocco, Ksar el Ksiba = ABS4411

JJA352.005 : CROCUS SEROTINUS subsp. SALZMANNII Morocco, Larache. Ex M.Salmon & M.Fillan = SF242.

I am gathering plants from my area and having others sent from Portugal. I might get seeds on them and I will have local salzmannii available, maybe also nevadense.

Thanks

Carlos

Hi, I received Rannveigh and Bob Wallis's last catalogue, I find it breathtaking, but they do not ship outside UK anymore.

If any member from the EU happens to travel to UK in September and is so kind to bring my order, I would be willing to pay for up to £20 of his/her order and of course the shipping to Spain.

 There is an exception in EU plant health regulations regarding 'small quantities' in luggage, they don't specify how much weight is that, but I want mostly small Narcissus, so no more than 500 or 600 grsms 

Thanks

Carlos

Hi, I am preparing a small comparative study in Moraea section Gynandriris, I would like to include at least two South African members, namely pritzeliana and simulans. 

Any of the rest will do as well (I have several collections of sisyrinchium and hope to get true mediterranea soon): 

M. australis
M. setifolia
M. cedarmontana
M. contorta
M. hesperantha

I know, there are regulations about sending to UK or USA, but anyone willing to help, please feel free to contact me and I can tell what I have for exchange, I would be willing to pay as well. 

Thanks

Carlos
Valencia, Spain

Any ideas? It came from rareplants.co.uk, it should be callimischon subsp. haemostictum but it is flowering now, it lacks the bloody spots, and it seems to me that it does not match subsp. callimischon either (also late summer to autumn flowering!.



Thanks

Carlos

Hello, I'm happy and proud to share my first work on botany, the confirmation of the occurrence of Allium cyrilli in the Iberian peninsula (only known for Spain so far, but could turn up in some areas of Portugal).

I did this because I was lucky enough to be shown some photos and though I did not know what it was, I knew it was not Allium nigrum, with which it has been confused since 18th century!

Even modern botanists sensed that the plants "did not match", but only one asked Jean-Marc Tison in France, who had confirmed the plant there as well. But he never published it. I tried to contact him but I only found a wrong email. Anyway I cited his works and now I have the right email and he's happy with the outcome.

I also did it as a "warming up" to what is still to come, including (hopefully) description of up to 4 new Allium species.

This was a bit local and the paper is in Spanish, but I am already working on an English-only paper.

It can be downloaded here:

https://revistas.uma.es/index.php/abm/article/view/15132[/list]


Allium cyrilli Ten.: novedad para el centro y este de la Península Ibérica

DOI:

https://doi.org/10.24310/abm.v47i.15132[/list]
Being a member of the PBS has spurred my work, so thanks to all.

Carlos Jiménez

Hi, I usually find most old papers I look for but this one beat me, or nearly, as they have it at the UCLA library but they won't scan it for me.

They told me, though, that it can be consulted there (maybe photographed or photocopied?).

The paper is on the description of Allium zaprjagajevii by Kassacz. It was published in the 1973 issue of Dokl. Akad. Nauk Tadzhiksk. S.S.R. ((1973)) or Доклады Академии наук Таджикской ССР - Изд-во Академии наук Таджикской ССР, 1973.

The article is entitled "A new species of the genus Allium ( zaprjagajevii ) L. From the western Pamirs" and it appears on page 77, maybe 76-77 or 77-78.


I would be thankful if anyone could go to the library and scan/photograph it, or copy it if he/she can read Russian haha.

Seriously, it would be a great favour.

Thanks in advance.

Carlos

Hi, autumn Narcissus are reaching their peak for me (Valencia, E coast of Spain, zone 10).

Narcissus obsoletus, Narcissus x perezlarae, Narcissus deficiens 'star morph', this one was rescued two years ago from a mound of earth by a roadside along  with some fellars, I thought they were Tulipa or Dipcadi serotinum.

Narcissus deficiens and Muscari parviflorum received from Malta

Narcissus broussonetii (allegedly, antiatlanticum) from the Djebel Imzi in Morocco, where the Dragon trees were found.

Sorry but I usually have little time to rename pictures, they can be scrolled down in order of citation.

Carlos

Another hard topic...
Carlos

Hi

I am mainly interested in Amaryllidaceae, as some already know.

Regarding Sternbergia, with plants being often self esterile so seeds are not always available,  and genus being included in CITES so this makes bulbs not easily found (for all species which are not lutea, maybe sicula). 

I live in Spain and we have lutea (thoughjt to have been introduced, always sterile) and colchiciflora (native). 

Colchiciflora gros here in two types of habitat, semiarid areas near Madrid with continental climate (very hot and dry summers and cold winters), on gypsum-rich soils, sometimes under shade of Quercus (evergreen Quercus), and mountain meadows in more humid conditions, on humus-rich ground on limestone, mostly in northern exposures.

That has shocked me ever since I knew about the plants growing on gypsum, but I can cope with "ecological amplitude". 

Our plants flower from late sumemr to early autumn depending on rains and the fecundated ovary remains hidden until late winter, when the fruits like tiny melons emerge, remaining almost at ground level, the seeds ripening in late April to late May. Leaves are usually quite sspiralled, looking quite strange when seen in the field (to someone not used to Albuca spiralis and other Cape plants). The edge is SMOOTH.

I felt almost at ease with that.

Then I had a look at the PBS wiki and found two enigmatic sentences:

"Leaves are finely ciliate indeed"

(taken from S. schubertii) "Seed pods appear soon after to mature in a matter of weeks, in the same way Sternbergia colchiciflora does".

Then some habitat photos by Angelo Porcelli at the Gargano peninsula (Apulia, south-western Italy) are shown.

I asked Angelo and though he has not the plant in cultivatiuon anymore he told me that it occurs at 800 m in cool and moist beech trees (Fagus sylvatica) forest, the only site for beeches in southern Italy (except Sardinia and Sicily), and that the bulbs don't make it through the summer when brought to the lowlands. He could not confirm about the time of ripening of the seeds, but did confirm about the cilia. He has not better photos, unfortunately, so they can't be seen when zooming in on the image.

https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Sternbergia/Sternbergia_colchiciflora_leaves_AP.jpg

https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Sternbergia/Sternbergia_colchiflora1_AM.jpg


Her you can see plants from the Crimean peninsula and France, they are the same as ours:

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/105286436?fbclid=IwAR3l53kg2-9oRd49pMjZ-dfISiBW7VsAyDrM8n_gjO7_vUGxw48ekH5ZN94

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/107728731?fbclid=IwAR3-9xYXVRmQJkZr9st0UZkqtdoGFAjw1iWcHLfDuVcaq_m683IiXkpEAI0


After all this literature, my questions are:

Has someone seen the Gargano plant in habitat, os has it in cultivation, and can confirm or deny the information above?

And for anyone who has the plant, would you swap seeds or bulbs (bulbs only within the EU)?

Many thanks

Carlos Jiménez

Hi, it's that time of the year when Acis valentina can be caught in bloom, here some photos taken today. It grows with Prospero obtusifolium here, one of its few locations outside northern Africa. I can't tell the location of the site to protect the plants from poaching, you surely understand.

Some plants have more rounded tepals, more "snowdrop-like" (photos 3, 4, 6).

It is the only strict bulbous endemic in my region (Valencia region, eastern Spain), not really threatened, but only really easy to spot for 15-20 days, so it seems more rare.

 Carlos Jiménez

Hi, I have just decided to start a Calochortus collection. I think I have good conditions for most species outdoors (zone 10, autumn-spring rainfall with a decrease in December-February, eastern coast of Spain near sea level).

I know there are many members from California, where most species occur.

I am interested in botanical taxa, with field data whenever possible (also Zephyranthes and Tigridia).

I can offer seeds of most species in Narcissus, or sometimes bulbs (within the EU). Also several rhizomatous Iris and some in subgenus (or genus) Xiphion, several euro-Asian Allium, Prospero (Scilla), Urginea undulata, Lapiedra martinezii, Acis valentina, Oncostema (Scilla peruviana group), Colchicum bulbocodium (=Bulbocodium vernum), Sternbergia (only EU for the moment)....

I am starting to water my pots but I have plenty of things still in paper bags, so if anyone is interested please feel free to tell me what you are looking for.

Thanks

Carlos