Lauw My son (who I had taught that the viable live oak acorns are supposed to sink) used his finger to 'sink' all of the Crinum seeds I obtained earlier this year from Jim Shields. Most were floating but a few were at the bottom of the dish. To my relief, they all germinated and are growing at this time. Has anyone else had experience with the viability of sinking seeds in other taxa? Boyce Tankersley btankers@chicagobotanic.org