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diana chapman rarebulbs@earthlink.net
Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:28:29 PDT
Hi Hamish:

If we start getting into the way the ENGLISH pronounce things ---- we're

I grew up in Kent, near the village of Trottiscliffe --- pronounced  ---
Trosley.  Oh, well.

Diana :-)))

> Now, hold on friend! The surname Clive was pronounced as "cliff" by Clive
> of India and probably so by Lady Clive who married a near descendant of
> his.
> This pronunciation still exists in the place name "Cliveden" - the place
> the Thames where the Cliveden set used to meet. Go to Cliveden now
> (National Trust property, gardens open to the public, house with limited
> access as it is used as a hotel) and hear the locals! In these examples,
> the modern word cliff derives from clive in turn coming from the
> Anglo-Saxon word for, would you believe it, 'cliff'. So perhaps it is the
> letter 'v' sound that is wrong as well as a short 'i'.
> Menzies is pronounced as "Mingiss", with the "ng" being a diphthong in
> Scots' dialect as it is in any English word ending in "-ing". The 'iss' is
> very short with the emphasis on the first syllable. Try saying  "being" or
> "thongs" or "meaningful"; the 'n' and 'g' are not pronounced separately
> it is not just a combination of the two letters. This is very close to the
> 'n' with a squiggle over it that Alberto was referring to recently and
> which in American English became corrupted to 'ny' as in canyon.  To an
> untrained ear it may sound as "Minniss" with two short letters 'i'.
> I believe Robert Menzies, former Prime Minister of Australia pronounced it
> as spelt, English style, but then they do things differently down there.
> One further thought. If you do a spell check in Outlook 97, the word
> 'clive' is not in its dictionary. The first suggested replacement is
> 'cliff'.
> If you want a puzzle, how many ways can you pronounce "Nerine"?  This will
> be TOW at end of April. Have your homework ready by then!!
> Regards Hamish
> (to the Irish I would be Seamus - O'hamish is the vocative form - to most
> of you I would be James, to Alberto, I would be Jaime, in Latin, Jacobus,
> etc.....)
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