Ipheion 'Rolf Fiedler'

John MacGregor jonivy@earthlink.net
Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:19:19 PST
on 12/1/03 1:09 AM, John MacGregor at jonivy@earthlink.net wrote:

Sorry for this one!  I accidentally hit the send button before I was
finished writing!

> on 11/30/03 10:13 PM, Lee Poulsen at wpoulsen@pacbell.net wrote:
> 
>> No, I hadn't gotten any replies. However, now that I read John
>> MacGregor's reply, I'm even more confused.
>> 
>> 1. 'Rolf Fiedler' has been known since at least 1978 and even then
>> was already named "Tristagma peregrinans"? Why has there been so much
>> puzzlement over this species since then?
>> 
>> 2. The entire Ipheion genus was subsumed into Tristagma since at
>> least 1963? Is this true? Why hasn't anyone anywhere, currently,
>> listed their Ipheion uniflorum species or cultivars as Tristagma
>> uniflorum? This is the first I've heard this.
> 
> They have!  I took the citations I quoted from the International Plant Names
> Index so they are readily available to anyone interested in pursuing the
> matter.  Just a quick Google search turned up several reference sites whose
> authors were at least aware of the synonymy:
> 
> http://www.plantyfolia.com/fiches61/index.html
> 
> http://mnlg.com/gc/species2pz/t/tri_uni.html
> 
> http://gardening.worldonline.co.za/0461.htm
> 
> http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/synrazi.htm
> 
> http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/get_cpn.pl/…
> 
> http://hear.org/gcw/html/…
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 3. So if the "yellow" Ipheions are all Nothoscordums and the "blue"
>> Ipheions are really Tristagmas, then there never were any Ipheions?
>> 
>> 4. And what about the Tristagma species that always were Tristagma?
>> Do they look like Ipheions? I've never seen them (although I've tried
>> to grow some seeds of them recently--Chilean species). Does T. nivale
>> look like the various Ipheion species?
>> 
>> 5. Should we all re-label our Ipheions? Should we organize an email
>> and letter campaign to tell every mail order nursery around the world
>> that offers Ipheions that they are really Tristagmas?  ;-)
>> 
>> Just wondering aloud...
>> 
>> --Lee Poulsen
>> Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 9-10
>> 
>> 
>>> Dear Lee,
>>> 
>>> Did you get a private response from anyone about your question below
>>> to the group. I am reposting it since it was written under an Oxalis
>>> subject heading and may have gotten lost. I know a lot of us would
>>> like the answer to this question.
>>> 
>>> Mary Sue
>>> 
>>> At 07:20 PM 11/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
>>>> Speaking of uncertainties and bones of contention with regard to
>>>> species names and synonyms, I was scanning through Dirk's latest
>>>> list of bulb offerings and happened upon this:
>>>> 
>>>> "Ipheion pelegrinans    (syn. Tristagma pelegrinans) Known as I.
>>>> 'Rolf Fiedler' in the trade before it's true identity was
>>>> established.
>> 
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