Dear All, Just in case you are all very puzzled about what is going on with Doug and his messages let me try to explain. Now that we have a wiki where people can upload files so people can see images if they want to see them, there is no reason for people to send attachments to this list. On our old server they were not allowed and with the upgrade on this server I could disallow them and I have. Before this you could send attachments, but they were not archived and I asked you all not to do it. Yesterday Doug sent an attachment to the list and his message was held for approval. Arnold approved it, but the attachment was stripped when it arrived on the list making some of you wonder about his message. He later sent the same message without an attachment and the message went through without being held for approval, but without the attachment, it didn't make much sense. Doug has given Arnold and me a nice lesson in how the system works and that was useful. Attachments are not allowed on this list. If you accidently send a message with an attachment (including a virus) it will be held and not automatically sent to the list. Upload your images to the wiki please. A lot of people want to see them, but not everyone does. This solution works for everyone. Doug's Scadoxus image hopefully will make its way to the wiki with its different background. Mary Sue