Jamie Vande Cologne Germany Zone 8 I've seen the bulb displays by Avon Bulbs at Chelsea and they are truly amazing! One sees blossoms together that one would never have in the garden, the seasons are simply wrong. But is this what this TOW is about? Forcing bulbs to produce flowers out of season and changing around the cycle are two different things, or am I being to critical? (of course, both should be discussed, I'm just being difficult!) I do think there are different mechanisms at play. For those who were members in the Spring, do you remember the Lachenalia I mentioned buying, being purported as Spring bulbs. Well, the reality was different, they went dormant almost as soon as they hit the soil. Now, I have leaves appearing and we'll see if I get blossom or not. They did not turn around . We are currently enjoying our Cyclamen persicum cv extravaganza in Germany. They are everywhere in the stores, just like every year, but getting better and better. The leaf forms and colours are truly wonderful and, I've been told, they are managing to get fragrance into them! And they cost €2,00 to €5,00, sometimes less! How do they do it? Otherwise, I've never managed to turn around any bulb, other than Hippeastrum, which is confused in my climate anyway!