Thanks Mary Sue, for sharing your enlightening experience with Gordon Summerfield. I have a query for Gordon and I wonder if Lauw will pass it on. > Plants like Daubenya and Massonia need good light however. Good light, > but protection from the dew will reduce crown rot and fungal diseases. > Watering from the bottom will help as well. This statement implies that Daubenya and Massonia are grown under cover to prevent dew and rainfall on the leaves. This being the case do they remain totally dry for the summer months ? If not how often are they watered during dormancy ? What about watering management for first and second year seedlings during summer ? Do they tolerate the same management as mature bulbs ? Having just watched the leaves on a mature Massonia echinata disappear from crown rot ,( we had what amounts to half our years average annual rainfall during August and September ) , the under cover management appeals to me , as I have quite a range of first and second year seedlings of both genera. Thanks in anticipation. Rob in Tasmania Zone 9 equivalent