James Waddick
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:25:17 PDT
Dear All;
	Thanks to all from bringing up details, I intentionally 
skipped. Simply could not be all inclusive in an already 'too long' 
intro to the topic. To mention a few:

	John I.
	Intersectional peonies are hybrids between herbaceous and 
woody species. Previously thought impossible, this was first 
accomplished over 50 years ago by a Mr. Ito (Itoh) in Japan, but far 
surpassed by modern hybrids including a wide variety of species on 
both sides of the cross. Modern hybrid especially those by Roger 
Anderson of S. Wisconsin are incredible plants.
	Intersectional hybrids (IS) have the foliage and flowers of 
Tree Peonies with the habit of herbaceous peonies: deciduousness. 
This means the best have silky flowers of the rich lutea TP hybrids 
(yellow, salmon, peach etc.) but the added hardiness of P lactiflora. 
Most of these are very vigorous. I predict these will be even more 
popular as the price comes down. Right now one of the top IS peonies 
,'Bartzella' is usually about $250. !
	More exciting down the line too!

	Saunder and Daphnis TP hybrids are generally from P. lutea 
breeding and should do fine in milder climates. I'd give them 
protection from sun and a pH above 7.

	P. ostii is usually available (and low priced) as 'Fen Dan 
Bai' or 'Pheonix White'. It is grown in huge quantities for the 
medicinal root market in China. Most plants, regardless of name, are 
hybrids, but flowers are close to typical.

	P. rockii might not do as well in your milder climate 
although it is fine in Central England. This is usually more 
expensive, but prices are coming down as more plants come from China. 
Lots of selections too.Over 200 named forms!

	Al Roger's paperback has been available for a month or so. 
Printing was done quickly.

	GL Osti's book on Tree peonies is out of print and demanding 
a triple list-price on the used book market.

	Jane Mc.
	You are absolutely correct about my bias in the intro toward 
southern west coast. My intent is to intrigue more people into 
growing mild climate peonies. Some of the best herbaceous and tree 
peonies grown in the US come from the Pacific NW. There are many 
growers who have formed a semi-professional group, the Pacific 
Northwest Peony Society. Some of the better known retail mail order 
growers are Caprice Farm Nursery, Adelman peonies, Pacific peonies 
and many others.

	P. brownii is quite hardy. I grow it here, but it demands 
excellent drainage and full sun anywhere. Yes Josef Halda grows it in 
the Czech republic too, but it is  more demanding for most people 
outside its natural area, than it is worth as a garden plant. A 
challenge, but why?

	P. lutea var/ ssp ludlowii or P. ludlowii as these variants 
suggest is a name with some controversy. It is one of the largest and 
most vigorous of the TP species getting to 12 feet and possibly more. 
Larger in all respects to typical P. lutea it comes true from seed. 
It is popular and widely grown, but not 'reliable' farther northern 
that a wet Zone 6.

	John I also comments on understocks "are well known to be 
able to produce random eyes on the roots if they are removed from the 
mother crown"
	Yes and no. Again very species specific and the best grafters 
select species, even cvs. that DO NOT produce adventitious buds or 
shoots. Buyers should inquire if plants for sale have begun to 
produce their own roots or not. Some, like Rick Rogers sell grafted 
plants, but ONLY after they have acquired their own roots and the 
under-stock is removed. Cheap grafts are usually new grafts without 
their own roots. the old 'Buyers Beware'..

	As for Jim Mc, Some cv do indeed produce so vigorously from 
adventitious buds on 'blind' roots that they are propagated by this 
method. The selections and hybrids from P. peregrina are notorious. 
The cvs 'Coral Charm' and 'Ludovica' (a recent APS Gold Medal winner) 
can be pests because it is so difficult to dig up the whole plant 
without leaving a scrap of root even 12 or 18 inches deep. This will 
produce buds and return in a year or two with complete vigor.

	I'll respond to other comments, but do want to ease Roger's 
mind about P corsica (previously known as P cambessdessii). I 
mentioned this in the Intro Part 2 and think it is the mostly widely 
grown of the Mediteranean group ( excluding P. mascula which extends 
beyond this area) and much loved in mild climates. It is probably 
hardy in more northern reaches with better drainage and some 
protection from intense mid-summer sun. Growing some of the species, 
especially when relatively far from 'ideal' environs, may mean some 
creative gardening. For example, here, tree peonies do very well on 
the north side of the house where they get almost no sun except 
briefly in the height of summer. TP in sun often get burned edges to 
leaves. Takes some fore thought and planning.

	More later. 		Jim W.
Dr. James W. Waddick
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