Tulipa orithyioides and T. pulchella (more dwarf tulips)

Jim McKenney jimmckenney@starpower.net
Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:45:00 PST
In a prior post, which I have deliberately left attached below, I
speculated that there might be a Tulipa orithyia.

I knew there was something familiar about that name: Orithyea (sic) is an
old generic epithet for some tulips - apparently the tulips (or tulip-like
plants) we now know as Amana. Amana edulis, illustrated in Rix & Phillips,
looks superficially like Jane's tulip. 

Now can someone verify the correct spelling? Is it Orithyea, Orithyia,
orithyioides, orithyeoides or (I hope no one really did this) orithyeioides?

Jim McKenney
Montgomery County, Maryland zone 7, where a light sprinkle this morning has
caused the earth itself to release its scent: spring is here!

At 11:19 AM 3/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Mark McDonough wrote:
>>Curious to learn what the epithet "orithyioides" indicates, the only
thing I 
>>could find is a bit of greek mythology: "Orithia (or Oreithyia) was a
>>of the Amazon Queen Marpesia.
>I have not checked out Vvedensky's notes, but here's my guess: 
>The form of the word, orithyi + oides, suggests that it is named for or
>being compared to something else: is there, for instance, a Tulipa
>orithyia? If so, then orithyioides indicates a similarity to that putative
>Incidentally, the spelling of the word is unorthodox: four separately
>pronounced  vowel sounds in a row (y, i, o, i; remember, oi in Latin does
>not equal oi in English ) is very peculiar. A more traditional orthodox
>spelling would be orithyjoides, where the j represents not the sound of the
>English j but the "consonental i sound" (like j in German).
>But don't forget that botanists don't have to follow traditional grammar -
>they have their own rules.
>In addition to the great story Mark told about the name, I can add a bit
>more (but nothing to equal Amazon Queens): the name orithyia looks like it
>comes from the words for mountain and a resinous tree, juniper or cedar for
>instance. That's an apt name for someone who shows resliiance and
>Here's a sort of mnemonic: the part of the name which refers to the cedar
>is thyia. Most of you know this as Thuja. Greek upsilon is sometimes given
>as u and sometimes given as y. For an explanation of the j, see above. If
>you pronounce Thuja as thoo-ya, this might make more sense. 
>Jim McKenney
>Montgomery County, Maryland zone 7 where we had light rain this morning and
>are now enjouing temperatures above 60 degrees F. 
>At 10:53 PM 3/1/2004 EST, you wrote:
>>The two photos recently posted to the Pacific Bulb Society - Tulipa page
>>terrific.  I have comments on each.  The photos are located at:
>>The photo by Jane McGary of Tulipa orithyioides Vved. has me intrigued.
>>plant looks akin to T. polypetala, with white flowers, yellow center, and 
>>backs of outer tepals an olive color suffused mauve-ish.  But the
>similarity ends 
>>there as surely the stiffly upright foliage and more starry flowers
render a 
>>distinctive look apart from polychroma.  Based on an IPNI search, I come up 
>>with the spelling "orithyioides" for the species.  It's hard to tell from
>>photo, but I must ask; Jane, are the stems multiflowered?  If so, perhaps
>it's in 
>>the Biflores section similar to T. polychroma.  Also, are the flowers 
>>scented?  T. polychroma is heavenly perfumed.
>>Curious to learn what the epithet "orithyioides" indicates, the only
thing I 
>>could find is a bit of greek mythology: "Orithia (or Oreithyia) was a
>>of the Amazon Queen Marpesia. When her mother was killed by Asian
>>her mother's position fell to her. She forged an alliance with Sagillus,
>>of Scythia, who sent his son with an army to help Orithia avenge her
>>death."  Is there a relation between this and the species name?
>>Dave Brastow posted a gorgeous photo of Tulipa pulchella var humilis... 
>>thanks Dave!  The naming of this species is contentious, most often seen
>the way 
>>Dave labeled it.  I think today it is recognized as T. pulchella (Fenzl at 
>>Regel) Baker.  But horticulturally, there are two distinct forms, one with
>blue to 
>>black centers, and another with yellow centers.  I believe these are
>>to Hoog & Dix's Tulipa humilis 'Violacea Black Base" and T. humilis
>>Yellow Base" respectively, but I'm just guessing.  Anyone care to attempt 
>>clarifying the naming of the tulips in the "humilis" alliance?
>>Mark McDonough Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States 
>>antennaria@aol.com "New England" USDA Zone 5
>>>> web site under construction - http://www.plantbuzz.com/ <<
>>alliums, bulbs, penstemons, hardy hibiscus, western 
>>american alpines, iris, plants of all types!
>>pbs mailing list
>pbs mailing list

More information about the pbs mailing list