"Bermudian snowdrop" <> Lodden Lily

JohnCrellin Lodden Lily">john@crellin.org.uk
Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:08:06 PDT
Thank you. If this is the only difference I am a little suspicious whether
'Gravetye Giant' is much different from L. aestivum subsp. aestivum which
has larger flowers than subsp. pulchellum according to Stace. But I will see
what the "wild" ones on the River Lodden are like before I say any more !

Do your 'Gravetye Giant' flower stems have smooth sharp edges or slightly
denticulate ones ? (I realize it's a bit late to ask from what you say !)

You are lucky your little gardeners re-plant the bulbs. Badgers here
(Somerset, UK) just dig them up...

John Crellin

Reply / forward from John Crellin

-----Original Message-----
From: Brook Klehm [mailto:bklehm@comcast.net] 
Sent: 10 April 2005 17:58
To: john@crellin.org.uk; Pacific Bulb Society
Subject: Re: [pbs] "Bermudian snowdrop" <> Lodden Lily

'Gravetye Giant' bulbs I have purchased from commercial sources have flowers
1.5 times the size of the species.  L. aestivum is such a weed here in
rural, coastal northern California.  Gophers move their bulbs around the
garden so that I find flowering size bulbs in new locations of the garden
each year.  This ruins this color scheme gardener's palette.  Makes me
crazy!  However, since they begin to bloom in November and bloom on through
the winter until about March, who's to complain?

Brook Klehm, Sebastopol, zone 8/9... too cold for most summer dormant South
African bulbs, too winter wet for most Central American bulbs and too cool
in summer for tropical bulbs!
On Apr 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, JohnCrellin wrote:

> I am intending to photograph L. aestivum subsp. aestivum next week - 
> Dinton Pastures has been recommended to me.
> On this subject does anyone have information on the distinguishing 
> features of Gravetye Giant ?
> John Crellin
> Reply / forward from John Crellin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Whyer [mailto:brian.whyer@btinternet.com]
> Sent: 09 April 2005 12:12
> To: 'Pacific Bulb Society'
> Subject: RE: [pbs] "Bermudian snowdrop"
> Jim
> I find that a strange suggestion. Leucojum aestivum normally has the 
> trivial name Loddon Lily in the UK, named after a tributary of the 
> Thames about 15 miles from my home, alongside which it grows "wild". 
> If she uses the latter name in the book you can rule out the snowdrop 
> name presumably. I will see Avon bulbs at the RHS/AGS show in London 
> on Tuesday and will consult them, if I remember. Thinking about it, I 
> have never seen them in the wild and may go and try a few habitat 
> photos for the wiki.
> Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone ~8
>> Great suggestion, Brian.
>> I took your advice, and the staff at East Lambrook Manor Gardens came
> up
>> with the suggestion that the "Bermudian snowdrop" is probably 
>> Leucojum aestivum.
>> Jim McKenney
>> jimmckenney@starpower.net
>> Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where Leucojum 
>> aestivum
> is
>> blooming here now.
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