Dear Lauw and Jerry and all, Jane McGary asked for a source when Julian provided that proposed revision data and Julian provided it in a subsequent email to our group, Scilla biography. There was some very interesting discussion between the two of them (archives from December 19, 2003). http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/old.php/… Julian and I have been communicating privately about Polyxena as I had a plant (grown as sp. #2) that bloomed and I wanted confirmation for what I thought it might be. I hadn't shared this with the group as I intended to do something with the Polyxena wiki page first and haven't found the time or decided exactly what. Polyxena has been transferred to Lachenalia by Manning, Goldblatt and Fay. Here is the resource: J.C. Manning, P. Goldblatt & M.F. Fay, "A revised generic synopsis of Hyacinthaceae in sub-Saharan Africa, including new combinations and the new tribe Pseudoprospereae", Edinburgh Journal of Botany 60(3): 533-568 (2004). Julian wrote to me: "The article discusses an unpublished DNA study by the same authors, and their results suggest a giant taxonomic upheaval for most of the family, and they made the necessary numerous new combinations. Apart from the sinking of Polyxena into Lachenalia: Drimiopsis and Resnova were sunk into Ledebouria; Albuca, Dipcadi, Galtonia, Neopatersonia, and Pseudogaltonia were sunk into Ornithogalum; Litanthus, Rhadamanthus, Rhodocodon, Schizobasis, Tenicroa, Thuranthos, and Urginea were sunk into Drimia; and Whiteheadia sunk into Massonia. At the same time, they recognise the splitting of Scilla, but only for the southern African species; no comment was made on the Eurasian species. I've also noticed a dozen or so taxonomic errors; for example, Dipcadi glaucum was renamed Ornithogalum magnum, which is a name already used for an different species of Ornithogalum. All the new combinations can be found doing an IPNI search <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/query_ipni.html>http://www.ipni.org/ipni/query_ipni.html, making sure that both IK and GCI extended options are selected." By the way in this new article Scilla natalensis which became Merwilla natalensis is now Merwilla plumbea. Another plant we've discussed in this group, Eucomis pole-evansii is now considered a subspecies of E. pallidiflora. I don't know if South African bulb enthusiasts are going along with all these changes. I suppose I'll need to write a note on some of our wiki pages explaining the proposed changes . Sigh. It is hard to keep up with all of this. Mary Sue