>Try it; you may be very pleasantly surprised. I'm very favorably impressed >by the depth and breadth of the knowledge and enthusiasm in this group. **And for us new people, there's so much information from which to learn. Thanks to you all. -- susan hayek, North Coast of CA, USA, zone 9b, Sunset zone 17. 15 miles south of Eureka, CA, on the Eel River (almost), with a peek of the ocean.