Great photos, Hans-Werner. Neat colors and amazing textures on those blooms. It was Jim McKenney, not Tim, who suggested that the taxonomists need to catch up. Hans-Werner, when you write " But, as we all know, too, is, that this is not an argument for re-placing these within one genus" you are speaking for yourself, and perhaps many others, but not all of us. All of us don't know that - or at least all of us don't agree with that. Can you cite a better criterion for demonstrating that plants are very closely related than the ability to produce viable, fertile offspring? Forget what the plants look like: that's very nineteenth century. Regards, Jim McKenney