[BULBS-L] Hippeastrum x-johnsonii

Ann B. ann@landspro.com
Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:39:31 PST

This is my first time to try to respond to this list, so I hope it works.

I have H. X Johnsonii growing in my gardens (5-6" deep). The bulbs came from
a ranch in Texas.  I tried several times to pollinate them and never got any
seed pods.  I tried selfing them.  I tried crossing them with Red Lion,
Appleblossom and Minerva (which were growing in pots) and no pods.

Last spring, Hans-Werner convinced me to try to self them again.  As luck
would have it, we had drought conditions which I believe helped.  The only
pods that did not form were the ones that I pollinated following a rain.

I also happened to have two small bulbs in a one gallon nursery pot in a
protected porch area.  One of the small bulbs happened to bloom at the same
time as Amputo which was sitting right next to it.  I tried pollinating
Amputo with Johnsonii and Johnsonii with Amputo.  Pods formed and ripened on

Somehow, the seeds were place in a box and lost for several months.  When I
found them, I planted them right away, and they germinated.  The seeds that
I planted that germinated were Johnsonii x Johnsonii, Amputo X Johnsonii,
and Johnsonii X Amputo.

I plan to try again this year.

I did not protect the blooms from being pollinated by bees, etc., and I have
many hippeastrums that were blooming at the same time.

Does that sound reasonable to you?  I can provide pictures of my Johnsonii
if I have permission to provide a link to them on my website.

Ann Benson
Zone 9a
Mobile, AL

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Today's Topics:

   1. Crossing Hippeastrelia (B.J.M. Zonneveld)
   2. Re: Crossing Hippeastrelia (J.E. Shields)
   3. Re: [BULBS-L] Hippeastrum x-johnsonii (James Waddick)
   4. Re: Crossing Hippeastrelia (Adam Fikso)


Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:07:04 +0100
From: "B.J.M. Zonneveld" <B.J.M.Zonneveld@biology.leidenuniv.nl>
Subject: [pbs] Crossing Hippeastrelia
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As I wrote earlier for BULBS: My Hippeastrelia is a cross between the
hexaploid form of Sprekelia and a tetraploid hippeastrum cultivar. A
"cross' with hippeastrum again only did give me the hippeastrelia again,
a case of apomixis. However a cross with the hexaploid sprekelia did
give me genuine intermediates. All was checked by measuring nuclear DNA
content So if you send me  a seedling of your batch I can check it for
you and you don't have to wait for flowers.


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:21:29 -0500
From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Crossing Hippeastrelia
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Hi all,

Is Hippeastrum x-johnsonii a triploid?  Is it ever fertile?

We used its pollen a year ago and set pods on a couple of plants, including 
H. evansiae and a big commercial hybrid.  Putting pollen on johnsonii 
itself gave us no seeds.

I'm just wondering what those seeds might have for parents.  Any thoughts 
on that?  We got a good yield of seeds in the pods that formed, and we are 
growing some of the seedlings now.

Jim Shields
in central Indiana (USA) where a frosty morning was followed by bright 
winter sunshine and, maybe, later we will see temperatures in the 50's F

Jim Shields             USDA Zone 5             Shields Gardens, Ltd.
P.O. Box 92              WWW:    http://www.shieldsgardens.com/
Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA
Tel. ++1-317-867-3344     or      toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA


Message: 3
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:52:57 -0600
From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] [BULBS-L] Hippeastrum x-johnsonii
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>I'd like to know who has tried to grow Hippeastrum x-johnsonii 
>outdoors, and how it fared.  It is supposed to be the hardiest 
>Hippeastrum, but some have said it survived but does not bloom in 
>the North.
>Who has first-hand experience they can share with us?

Dear Jim S;
	I have 3 plants outdoors ( about a foot apart from each 
other) very near the south side of an unheated garage foundation. 
They emerge late and have yet to bloom in 3 or 4 years. I'd say they 
just exist, not thrive even in our recent mild weather winters.

	I have seen them vigorous and blooming in the Dallas TX area. 
My plants came from a nursery in Wichita KS, but don't know how 
satisfactory they are there.

	I also have a few in a pot in a cold frame, but these have 
not bloomed either!

		Any help?		Jim W.
Dr. James W. Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
Ph.    816-746-1949
Zone 5 Record low -23F
	Summer 100F +


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:34:43 -0600
From: "Adam Fikso" <adam14113@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Crossing Hippeastrelia
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I have seedlings from (Hippeastrum x johnsonii  x Sprekelia formossissima) x

self both 1 year and 2 year babies in pots that are from  crosses I made. 
The H. x johnsonii appears to be the real thing as it is somewhat more 
gracile than some of what I take to be later confusions with the original or

latter-day similarly colored  Hippeastrums that have broader tepals.  It was

about 18" , with 4 flowers (bought on eBay) from a lady in the South who 
said that she had had it her garden for many years. One crop is a self from 
a Hippeastrelia labelled 'Durga Pradhan', the other was my  repeat of the 
cross, and not properly designated as DP.  Don't know if johnsonii is 
triploid. I suspect that it is not.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Crossing Hippeastrelia

> Hi all,
> Is Hippeastrum x-johnsonii a triploid?  Is it ever fertile?
> We used its pollen a year ago and set pods on a couple of plants, 
> including
> H. evansiae and a big commercial hybrid.  Putting pollen on johnsonii
> itself gave us no seeds.


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