Peony Chameleons - problem

John Grimshaw
Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:19:02 PDT
I agree entirely with Jim Waddick: these names are confusing and, as we all 
know, in horticulture the precise formulation (and pronunciation) of a name 
is very seldom given, so to aver differences based on the technicalities of 
authors and spelling is a red herring (or perhaps a blushing chameleon).

John Grimshaw

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Waddick" <>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Peony Chameleons - problem

>Actually Jim, I'm inclined to say that this is one of those situations 
>we will simply have to agree to disagree.

Dear Jim and All,
I thought I'd just ignore this, but will
make a response, probably against my better
Jim, I do not agree to disagree at all,
because mostly I am right and mostly you are

Both names are in the same 'Designation
Group' (as per ICNCP) as assigned by the ISHS to
each ICRA. The second name should never have been

Cultivar names are rarely cited in detail
and few would pronounce the names differently
enough to dispel confusion.

The name confusion comes up more often than you'd imagine, obviously.

There is a very obvious problem, and it
is a good example only of a bad registration

We are stuck with this and my trying to
explain this to you obviously failed.

I hope other readers see this in its correct light.

Good luck. Jim W.

>To begin with, when each name is properly cited there is minimal chance of
>There is no way to prevent people from formatting the names incorrectly and
>becoming confused
>Furthermore, careful speakers pronounce the words chameleon and chamaeleon
>  For me, the clincher would be the high degree of improbability that these
>two names would  be found in the same discussion
>I don't see a problem with maintaining both names. Indeed, it's a good
>training example for people learning the differences among the various 
>of nomenclature we use.
>Jim McKenney

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