From leo@possi.org Wed Oct 1 03:12:45 2008 Message-Id: <908292b25969cfb11120bf87bd10dddc.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: "Tigridia" sprouting Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:29:00 -0700 (PDT) I wrote in August about the "Tigridia" from BX 162 not sprouting. Well, today I noticed one monocot sprout in that pot. I have kept it extremely wet all summer and in the sun. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From othonna@gmail.com Wed Oct 1 03:07:34 2008 Message-Id: <8e8da5260809302200m75a7d8d4h5734c82c88503c6f@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Oxalis magnifica Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:00:07 -0700 Debbie, This is a summer growing species from western Mexico. As the name implies the leaves are fairly large, 2-3" across and remarkable in having about seven narrow leaflets. I believe it generally flowers in late spring, just before the leaves emerge or as they emerge. Flowers bright pink on robust stalks. I've only grown it as a pot subject and it is quite reliable. It is dormant winter-to-spring. Though it doubtless endures a dry rest in the wild, it has grown well at UCBG in Berkeley for some years, out in the garden in a semi-shaded position. I am offering material of O. magnifica from Oaxaca, near Matatlan on my new October list. Dylan Hannon Dylan Hannon Rare Bulbs On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Deborah Jordan wrote: > Can anyone post some info one this species? > Thanks, > Debbie > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From rvanderhoff@sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 1 03:15:47 2008 Message-Id: <578337.38937.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ron Vanderhoff Subject: Oxalis magnifica Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Debbie,   Oxalis magnifica was described in 1919 by the German botanist, Reinhard Gustav Paul Knuth.   This is a fairly common Oxalis in Mexico, especially in the state of Oaxaca and apparently ranges south through Central America and possibly into northern South America..   It is a bulbous plant, without a rhizome; stemless (acaulescent), leafy and clumping. The leaves are rather large for an Oxalis, often as much as 4" across, with between 4 and 10 leaflets, but usually 6 to 8. The leaflets have a few long and noticeable hairs on the upper surface, with a smooth margin and a smooth underside. Each leaflet is oblanceolate to narrowly obovate; truncate to emarginate at the tip.   The flower stalk (peduncle) is especially long, often over 12 inches, and supports an inflorescence composed of approximately 10-12 flowers. Because of the length of the peduncle, the flowers are usually held well above the foliage. The petals are a rosy purple-pink with a whitish band above a yellow throat.   This is a typical tristylous form of Oxalis, with most plants in cultivation apparently being medium form (or "mediostylar") and are self incompatable for pollination.   This is a sub tropical Oxalis preferring the warm season. In southern California O. magnifica breaks dormancy about the first of May, is in bloom within a week or two, blooms well for about two months and then, depending on heat, trickles a few flowers through the summer, going dormant again by mid November.   It is similar to two other fairy common Mexican Oxalis, O. lasiandra and O. nelsonii (which it is often confused with). I have a couple of photos of this species in my picture folder on the Oxalis Growers Group website: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Oxalis-growers/ Hope that helps you. Ron Vanderhoff California   ----- Original Message ---- From: Deborah Jordan To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:57:50 AM Subject: [pbs] Oxalis magnifica Can anyone post some info one this species? Thanks, Debbie _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From dells@voicenet.com Wed Oct 1 07:41:40 2008 Message-Id: <20081001105627.2A2474C1E5@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 185 CLOSED Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:56:15 -0400 Packages should go out after the weekend. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, Director, PBS BX From djordan68@comcast.net Wed Oct 1 08:41:31 2008 Message-Id: From: "Deborah Jordan" Subject: Oxalis magnifica Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:32:39 -0500 Thank you Ron and Hannon--knowing it is summer growing and not winter growing is very helpful. Debbie Houston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Vanderhoff" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Oxalis magnifica Debbie, Oxalis magnifica was described in 1919 by the German botanist, Reinhard Gustav Paul Knuth. This is a fairly common Oxalis in Mexico, especially in the state of Oaxaca and apparently ranges south through Central America and possibly into northern South America.. It is a bulbous plant, without a rhizome; stemless (acaulescent), leafy and clumping. The leaves are rather large for an Oxalis, often as much as 4" across, with between 4 and 10 leaflets, but usually 6 to 8. The leaflets have a few long and noticeable hairs on the upper surface, with a smooth margin and a smooth underside. Each leaflet is oblanceolate to narrowly obovate; truncate to emarginate at the tip. The flower stalk (peduncle) is especially long, often over 12 inches, and supports an inflorescence composed of approximately 10-12 flowers. Because of the length of the peduncle, the flowers are usually held well above the foliage. The petals are a rosy purple-pink with a whitish band above a yellow throat. This is a typical tristylous form of Oxalis, with most plants in cultivation apparently being medium form (or "mediostylar") and are self incompatable for pollination. This is a sub tropical Oxalis preferring the warm season. In southern California O. magnifica breaks dormancy about the first of May, is in bloom within a week or two, blooms well for about two months and then, depending on heat, trickles a few flowers through the summer, going dormant again by mid November. It is similar to two other fairy common Mexican Oxalis, O. lasiandra and O. nelsonii (which it is often confused with). I have a couple of photos of this species in my picture folder on the Oxalis Growers Group website: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Oxalis-growers/ Hope that helps you. Ron Vanderhoff California ----- Original Message ---- From: Deborah Jordan To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:57:50 AM Subject: [pbs] Oxalis magnifica Can anyone post some info one this species? Thanks, Debbie _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From djordan68@comcast.net Wed Oct 1 08:44:10 2008 Message-Id: <79B1BAC05F9343CAB047B4801824FAC5@debbiePC> From: "Deborah Jordan" Subject: "Tigridia" sprouting Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:35:49 -0500 All Tigridia's grow during the winter, spring, and fall for me and go dormant during the hottest parts of the summer All of mine are re-emerging from dormancy now--I know some are supposed to be summer growers but that is not how they act down here. None of them grow for me from late May until late September. Debbie Houston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo A. Martin" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:29 PM Subject: [pbs] "Tigridia" sprouting >I wrote in August about the "Tigridia" from BX 162 not sprouting. Well, > today I noticed one monocot sprout in that pot. I have kept it extremely > wet all summer and in the sun. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From odysseybulbs@earthlink.net Wed Oct 1 09:13:38 2008 Message-Id: From: "Russell Stafford, Odyssey Bulbs" Subject: Oxalis magnifica Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:12:33 -0400 It's a beautiful plant, and easy in containers. Russell Russell Stafford Odyssey Bulbs PO Box 382 South Lancaster, MA 01561 508-335-8106 www.odysseybulbs.com From totototo@telus.net Wed Oct 1 11:09:30 2008 Message-Id: <19740415012840.9CE20930381A4B18@priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Acis leucophylla? Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:10:12 -0700 Nhu Nguyen alerted us to his new additions to the PBS Wiki. But on Googling, I get no results for Acis leucophylla. And the plant looks identical to Acis autumalis, depicted immediately above on the Wiki. Whence cometh this new name? -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From xerantheum@gmail.com Wed Oct 1 11:41:31 2008 Message-Id: From: "Nhu Nguyen" Subject: Acis leucophylla? Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:41:21 -0700 Apologies for the incorrect spelling. It should be Acis trichophylla (syn. Leucojum trichophyllum). I wouldn't say that it's exactly identical to A. autumnalis. The petals are thiner and spreads open a little more. I obtained the bulbs as A. trichophylla. Nhu On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:10 AM, wrote: > Nhu Nguyen alerted us to his new additions to the PBS Wiki. > > But on Googling, I get no results for Acis leucophylla. And the plant looks > identical to Acis autumalis, depicted immediately above on the Wiki. > > Whence cometh this new name? > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate > on beautiful Vancouver Island > > http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ From eagle85@flash.net Wed Oct 1 12:59:59 2008 Message-Id: From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Hippeastrum neoleopoldii Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:00:24 -0700 Can anyone suggest just how deep the above bulb should be planted- Up to the neck, on top of the soil? Thanks, Doug From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed Oct 1 13:02:21 2008 Message-Id: <832780.1222880529336.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: janemcgary@earthlink.net Subject: Acis, was Acis leucophylla? Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:02:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Acis trichophylla is superficially similar to A. autumnalis but flowers (here, anyway) in late winter, not fall. I have and have distributed both the typical white form and a pink form, both grown from seed olbtained from Michael Salmon's list. A. trichophylla is also smaller and more delicate, and as, Nhu remarks, has more widely open flowers. British literature asserts that A. t. is a shy bloomer, and indeed it can be for a couple of years after being lifted; apparently it flowers best when a bit crowded. The other fall-flowering Acis species I have here are A. rosea, which is very small and delicate, and probably not frost-hardy; and A. valentina, which is pure white and seems to be vigorous. The other spring-bloomer I have is A. nicaeense, which has very short stems but rather substantial flowers. All of them are little plants, but A. autumnalis is so vigorous that it can be grown in the open garden wherever there is an open spot for its flowers, which appear in succession from late AUgust through October. It self-sows readily and some people here regard it as weedy. A. valentina has self-sown in gthe bulb frame a little. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA -----Original Message----- >From: Nhu Nguyen >Sent: Oct 1, 2008 8:41 AM >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: Re: [pbs] Acis leucophylla? > >Apologies for the incorrect spelling. It should be Acis trichophylla (syn. >Leucojum trichophyllum). I wouldn't say that it's exactly identical to A. >autumnalis. The petals are thiner and spreads open a little more. I obtained >the bulbs as A. trichophylla. > >Nhu > >On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:10 AM, wrote: > >> Nhu Nguyen alerted us to his new additions to the PBS Wiki. >> >> But on Googling, I get no results for Acis leucophylla. And the plant looks >> identical to Acis autumalis, depicted immediately above on the Wiki. >> >> Whence cometh this new name? >> >> -- >> Rodger Whitlock >> Victoria, British Columbia, Canada >> Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate >> on beautiful Vancouver Island >> >> http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > > >-- >http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From totototo@telus.net Wed Oct 1 22:51:15 2008 Message-Id: <19740414223344.CFBA0535303BF57F@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Acis leucophylla? Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:51:44 -0700 On 1 Oct 08, at 8:41, Nhu Nguyen wrote: > Apologies for the incorrect spelling. It should be Acis trichophylla (syn. > Leucojum trichophyllum). I wouldn't say that it's exactly identical to A. > autumnalis. The petals are thiner and spreads open a little more. I obtained > the bulbs as A. trichophylla. I wonder if your bulbs are properly named. The one time I flowered A. trichophylla, I was struck by the shape of the flower; in profile, like a ballerina's tutu in Swan Lake. That is, spreading and curved, near hemispherical. A. autumnale has a conical flower, more or less. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sat Oct 4 12:28:16 2008 Message-Id: <000f01c9263e$9e871310$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Nerine sarniensis 'Corusca Major' Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:31:13 -0400 Nerine sarniensis ‘Corusca Major’ has an inflorescence on the way up here. This is planted in the soil of a protected cold frame; it’s been there for about three years – outside 24/7/365. . It blooms yearly but so far not freely (i.e there are other bulbs which are not blooming now). The cold frame is a true cold frame – the only heat comes from whatever is stored in the soil and from the sunshine. The cold frame is against the house and some heat probably seeps into the soil from the house. In this same frame there is a plant of Amaryllis belladonna. It’s doing something now, too, but I don’t think what I see emerging from the bulb is an inflorescence: we’ll see. No sign here yet of the late blooming Lycoris such as L. radiata and L. “aurea mercatorum”. Last year, which was very hot and dry for us (and these conditions persisted right through October), very few colchicums bloomed here. I was concerned, but the subsequent vegetative growth was strong. This year we had a much better colchicum season, including the blossoming of a plant received as ‘Glory of Heemstede’ four years ago: this plant bloomed this year for the first time. The flower was not tessellated and that seems to rule out ‘Glory of Heemstede’. The late blooming period and coloration suggest one of the forms or hybrids of Colchicum speciosum. So do the comparatively wide outer tepals – over an inch and a quarter wide. The bloom (yes, so far only one) rose out of the ground ten inches, straight up, and retained a goblet-funnel outline. Whatever it is, I’m glad to have it. I’m giving a talk on bulbs to a local garden group the week after next: what should I tell them? Also in bloom now: Tricyrtis macrantha. Not a geophyte, but related to many which are. The flowers suggest yellow fritillaries to me – right down to the profuse red spotting on the inside of the bell-shaped flower. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where I've been harvesting lily seed. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From pameladaz@msn.com Sat Oct 4 12:52:42 2008 Message-Id: From: "Pamela Slate" Subject: Rhodophiala Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:52:42 -0700 On behalf of Boyce Thompson Arboretum, I'm looking for a wholesale source for Rhodophiala bifida - red form. I've checked several of the usual major sources but some of you may have better information than I do. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Please send them to me at my personal email address. Thanks much, Pam Pamela Slate P.O. Box 5134 Carefree AZ 85377 From idavide@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 4 22:33:25 2008 Message-Id: <598510.65319.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Nerine sarniensis 'Corusca Major' Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:33:23 -0700 (PDT) ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com In this same frame there is a plant of Amaryllis belladonna. It’s doing something now, too, but I don’t think what I see emerging from the bulb is an inflorescence: we’ll see. ----- Response: Wow!  Sounds like a horror movie -- what sort of terror will emerge from that innocent bulb? Here in the Bay area, Amaryllis belladonna is long gone, so I'm surprised that yours might be just emerging. My Cypella herbertii insists on continuing to bloom despite the less than perfect weather here.  It rained last night, but this morning is OK -- a bit drizzly; nonetheless it opened its 4th blossom. Lewisia also continues to bloom, along with some non-geophytes, providing color for the season. Moraea seeds are sprouting -- many thin coleoptiles (or whatever they are) like so much grass. Many of the deciduous geophytes that I put away at the end of summer are just starting to emerge (encouraged by less than a week of fresh water).  Pasithea caerulea and Ferraria crispa emerged a month ago; Sparaxis tricolor is newly emerged. David Ehrlich Hills above Redwood City, CA From j.grimshaw@virgin.net Sun Oct 5 17:07:30 2008 Message-Id: <009b01c9272e$681a6930$0201a8c0@MAINPC> From: "John Grimshaw" Subject: Fragrance in Colchicums Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:07:41 +0100 Jane McGary wrote: > The write-up I mentioned in the AGS Encyclopaedia of Alpines is by Chris > Brickell, who was also at one time said to be preparing a monograph, but > apparently this did not come to fruition. > This is still an ongoing project by Chris Brickell, who told me a few weeks ago that he will be covering the cultivars. But his wisdom is very much in demand and I hope he will find time to finish the book before too long. John Grimshaw Dr. John M. Grimshaw Sycamore Cottage Colesbourne Cheltenham Gloucestershire GL53 9NP From piabinha@yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 16:19:27 2008 Message-Id: <408682.74302.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: piaba Subject: chinese cooking Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:19:26 -0700 (PDT) i know the subject line sounds a bit off topic, but i promise i'm talking about some of our plants... i was on one of my infrequent trips to chinatown today and i saw some leafy vegetables in a sidewalk stand that looked somewhat intriguing.  they were somewhat triangular leaves along a stem.  i thought to myself, these look like Ipomoea leaves.  i asked someone what they were, and she said they were sweet potato leaves!  in my infinite ignorance, i never knew that sweet potato leaves were edible.  of course i had heard of water spinach, which is an Ipomoea, but a totally different one. also, i have read that in china there's a garlic variety that produces a bulb with a single clove.  does anyone know anything about this garlic?  does it taste distinct from the "regular" kind? ======= tsuh yang From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon Oct 6 17:00:28 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Chinese cooking Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:01:59 -0500 Dear Tsuh Yang; A topic of interest to me for botanic and culinary reasons. Yes, sweet potato leaves (Ipomoea batatas) are edible and you can google any number of recipes. Water spinach is I. aquatica, and a very different taste. Years ago I was working at a zoo where we raised plain old sweet potatoes in the basement under lights so we could harvest the vines as a treat for the leaf eating Colobus Monkeys in winter. It was a favorite. One bulb garlic is one of my favorite vegetables in China. Each bulb is nearly a perfect globe and usually less than an inch in diameter. The flavor is like a rich, mild garlic. Very distinct. They are often served stir fried by themselves or with a light sauce. I have in the past sought out a US source and never found one, but I imagine in they must be available in some Chinese shopping areas. I can't recall if it is a cultivar or a different Allium species. In the market they are sold pre-skinned at a slightly premium price. Speaking of Oriental edible alliums. You may have come across an items called "Pickled Leeks" also known as Rakkyo and pickled shallots. These tiny bulbs are not readily identifiable as any of these. They are common in Vietnamese and Thai markets, sold in small tins or glass jars. A tasty condiment. See- http://japanesefood.about.com/library/pictures/blrakkyo.htm Of course in China, especially more remote areas, you will find many familiar items on the menu and I've eaten stir fried 'Strawberry Begonia' (Saxafraga fortunei), Lilium davidii (a big crop in Gansu Province) and even rhizomes of Houttuynia cordata (not recommended). Stem lettuce or Celtuce is a common spring vegetable in Central China. This is another delicious vegetable that certainly deserves wider cultivation in the US although I've never seen it and even seeds are not that easy to find. You might ask around for one bulb garlic if you have a good Chinese produce market. Beg and let me know if EVER! Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From leo@possi.org Mon Oct 6 17:35:06 2008 Message-Id: <3e451094384c36c1eceee8bde645ab3e.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Walleria gracilis Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:35:04 -0700 (PDT) A week or so ago this was discussed in relation to its sporadic appearance - only some years. I also got some of this seed the time Rachel offered it. In 2004 I planted the seed, dividing the 15 seeds into 3 pots. Three sprouted in one of the pots and none in the other two. The following year nothing came up in any pot. The next year one plant came up in the pot that had sprouted before. Last year again just the one plant sprouted. This spring I discarded the other two pots. A few weeks ago I decided to take out the Veltheimea seed pots and water them. I store things alphabetically and I accidentally pulled out the Walleria as well. Without realizing this I have been soaking it since. It is in my kitchen windowsill since days here are still near 100 F / 38C though nights are cooling to the 70s F / 23C. The Walleria has sprouted and is much better looking than in previous years. I have not unpotted it so I don't know how big is the tuber. I'm still hoping the other two might be alive but I doubt it. Any idea if this is self-fertile? Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Mon Oct 6 17:49:58 2008 Message-Id: <000901c927fd$e50fd900$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Chinese cooking Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:52:56 -0400 Jim Waddick mentioned celtuce. Celtuce is nothing new in the US: it was commonly sold a half century ago. This lettuce used to be in every seed catalog when I was a kid, so I was surprised to read that it was now not easily found. I checked several current general seed catalogs on hand here, and sure enough, not one listed celtuce. When I Googled “celtuce seed” there were several hits, mostly from UK sources although there was at least one US source. I’ve never eaten celtuce, but I love the stems of other lettuces. I’ll bet it’s available through the seed saver groups. We have several Asian supermarkets right in this neighborhood, and there is a gigantic Asian supermarket which draws clientele from far and wide between here and Baltimore. I’ll try to get over there sometime soon to check for one bulb garlic and lily bulbs. I’ll let everyone know what I find. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From dells@voicenet.com Mon Oct 6 18:28:49 2008 Message-Id: <20081006222848.2FA604C01E@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Chinese cooking and more Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:28:33 -0400 Dear Jim and Tsuh Yang, I have grown water spinach, Ipomoea aquatica, in the vegetable garden, so it doesn't need a lot of water. I have always been confused by reports that "morning glories" are poisonous. Houttuynia cordata --- this has been a menace in my herb garden where I made the mistake of planting it. It is very invasive, smells awful (not nearly so nice as cilantro which it is supposed to resemble) and cannot be weeded out. I resorted to painting each bit that sprouted, with an herbicide, but next year will tell the tale. On the subject of edible alliums, Allium tricoccum - ramps or wild leeks - are a seasonal folk food in parts of West Virginia. I have eaten them boiled and could hardly recommend them except to those folks who are fond of great chunks of raw garlic - not exactly the same taste, but the same kind of intensity. But I hear that they are being served as a delicacy in fine restaurants. Does anyone know if it is possible to cultivate these bulbs? I have a source and would like to try. Dell From xerantheum@gmail.com Mon Oct 6 21:06:55 2008 Message-Id: From: "Nhu Nguyen" Subject: Chinese cooking and more Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:06:53 -0700 Hi Dell and all, *Ipomoea aquatica* is an important vegetable in Vietnam where I was born. It is eaten widely by the poor because the plants grow vigorously in waterways. In some poor villages, it makes up the bulk of vegetable/foodstuff consumed. There are some nutrients like important vitamins that one can extract by eating these plants. They are both eaten raw and cooked. Raw *I. aquatica*has a very crispy texture and distinctive flavor. However, there is fear that the milky latex contain toxins and the plants have been shown to accumulate toxic by products of biological activities such as waste/sewage treatment. Another fear is that eating the raw tissue will give you an intestinal fluke parasite called Fasciolopsis. It is common where pigs are raised. The flukes will encyst on aquatic vegetation, waiting for the next animal that chomps on those leaves. In the US it seems to be an invasive weed where it is warm and wet. *Houttuynia cordata* is also eaten in southern Vietnam, but only the leaves not rhizomes. The smell is very distinctive and to me it's quite different from cilantro. It serves as an important herb condiment along with mint and Thai basil in Vietnamese cuisine. It has an interesting property of partially preventing the blood from clothing. Herbalists take advantage of this property and prescribe it for certain ailments. During war-time, soldiers must be very careful to not eat these plants, which I'm told is hard for some because it makes up an important part of the cuisine. I have too made the mistake of planting these in the ground. The rhizomes go very deep and you must dig very deep down and get every.single.piece in order to get rid of the plant. *Allium tricoccum* is cultivated in many parts of the country and is celebrated with it's own festival. It is native to the eastern US and probably need a cold winter dormancy. I would like to grow it here in the mild climate of central CA but have not been brave enough to try. Has anyone tried growing it in wild climates? It is sold here in the spring and is one of those items that dissappear quickly from the grocery special produce shelf. Thanks for these fascinating topics. Nhu Berkeley, CA, USA ----- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Dell Sherk wrote: > Dear Jim and Tsuh Yang, > > I have grown water spinach, Ipomoea aquatica, in the vegetable garden, so > it > doesn't need a lot of water. I have always been confused by reports that > "morning glories" are poisonous. > > Houttuynia cordata --- this has been a menace in my herb garden where I > made > the mistake of planting it. It is very invasive, smells awful (not nearly > so > nice as cilantro which it is supposed to resemble) and cannot be weeded > out. > I resorted to painting each bit that sprouted, with an herbicide, but next > year will tell the tale. > > On the subject of edible alliums, Allium tricoccum - ramps or wild leeks - > are a seasonal folk food in parts of West Virginia. I have eaten them > boiled > and could hardly recommend them except to those folks who are fond of great > chunks of raw garlic - not exactly the same taste, but the same kind of > intensity. But I hear that they are being served as a delicacy in fine > restaurants. Does anyone know if it is possible to cultivate these bulbs? I > have a source and would like to try. > > From idavide@sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 6 22:17:36 2008 Message-Id: <797466.23556.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Chinese cooking Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:17:35 -0700 (PDT) I do not know what bulb garlic is like, but for a few weeks only in the springtime, in farmers markets here in the Bay Area, oriental farmers sell a vegetable that I call spring garlic.  It is very similar in appearance to scallions, but like mild garlic in flavor.  It's wonderful in omelets.  I look forward to it every spring.   Celtuce is sold in season in oriental markets, such as the 99 Ranch Markets.  I am quite fond of it, but thick stems can be woody.   Water spinach used to be sold in packages in ordinary supermarkets.  I don’t know why they call it that – it doesn’t look like or taste like regular spinach.   If you have an East Asian neighborhood or market that you can go to, you might find these vegetables you are fond of, but they are seasonal. David Ehrlich From opbungalow@gmail.com Mon Oct 6 23:39:39 2008 Message-Id: <150371710810062039s4145db0bu82c077ff7ba05977@mail.gmail.com> From: "David Maxwell" Subject: Chilean/Andean Rhodophiala Dormancy Cycles? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:39:16 -0700 Hi All, I have a question for those Members who have grown...or at least attemped growing...the Chilean/Andean species (R.splendens, R.rhodolirion, R.andicola, R.phycelloides, R.advena, R.bagnoldii) of Rhodophiala from seeds before. Did any/all of these species go into dormancy in their first year of growth? If so...about how many weeks after planting...and about how many weeks was their dormancy? My experience with Hippeastrum is that the seedlings grow continuously throughout their first winter (May/June planting)...even at temperatures in the low 50sF...and they wouldn't go into a dormancy cycle until their second or even third winter (October/November). I expected the same continuous growth from my Rhodophiala seedlings, however, almost all species are dying back. Well, except for the R.splendens and R.bagnoldii, which have sent up a sturdy new leaf...if you can even call them that. Since the watering & growing conditions have been the same for all species, I'm assuming that the other species are going into their dormancy cycles...and hopefully not just being killed off by my either over or under watering them. But I don't really know. I'm continuing to sparingly water even the seedlings that I have died (back)...with the hope that maybe they're not really all-the-way-dead...just taking a break. But again, I don't really know...and I can't bring myself (yet) to dig one up to see. When they seem somewhat established, I switched from watering them indirectly to watering them directly using a spray bottle. Hopefully that wasn't the Kiss of Death. With my Hippeastrum seedlings I always water indirectly by keeping all the pots in plastic tubs and then pouring the water into the tubs and just let it wick up through the growing medium, which is always 100% peat. It was interesting that the type of potting medium I used with all these species of Rhodophiala seeds seemed to make absolutely no difference in germination. I did test batches of seeds planted in 100% peat...in 100% super-fine (San Francisco) sand...and in a gritty mix of sand, Perlite & aquatic plant gravel with a little peat mixed in. The germination ratios & growth rates were pretty much the same...regardless of which potting medium they were in. Anyway, if anyone has had prior experience getting these species through their first year of growth, I'd be interested to hear about it. Thanks, -d. P.S. Ken (Amarguy), your B.josephinae is a spectacular inspiration...as are your intergeneric Amaryllis crosses! Rock on...and cross on! From jsulmer@sonic.net Mon Oct 6 23:55:14 2008 Message-Id: <17479DB3-A4FE-4948-A9C4-95838D88201C@sonic.net> From: Jana Ulmer Subject: Chinese cooking Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:56:45 -0700 I am long time lurker on this list, but this off-topic discussion has compelled me to post. I have grown a "lettuce" that may similar to the celtuce that is being discussed. Seed is available from Fedco (http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/SeedsItem.php? id=2731&SeedName=lettuce), and here is what they say: 2731CO Cracoviensis Lettuce OG (47 days) My absolute favorite of all the lettuces Seed Savers curator M. Schultz has shared with me, unlike any other in size, shape or colors. Cracoviensis is where the red meets the green, making a dazzling twisting rosette with heavy purple accenting, especially towards the center. Plants are fast growing and very large. Although relatively rapid bolters, their tender buttery flavor doesn’t give way to bitterness even after they bolt. May be worth a try for over-wintering in warmer areas. Customers in New Jersey and Massachusetts have reported success. Listed as a distinct type, Asparagus Lettuce, in The Vegetable Garden by Vilmorin-Andrieux (1885). Highly prized in China where they peel and eat the thick fleshy stems like asparagus. What I grew was indeed large and quick to bolt, had a thick fleshy stem, and in no way tasted like asparagus. For us, it fell in the "interesting" category, as opposed to the "really tasty" category, but we never tried cooking it, maybe it would have been better that way. In the allium arena, one that we do grow that is both tasty and unusual is the I'itoi onion, which on the the Slow Foods "Ark of Taste" list. You can read about it here: http://www.slowfoodusa.org/index.php/programs/ark_product_detail/ iitoi_onion/ I planted the small shallot-like bulbs individually and each quickly made a small clump of onions which we used both as scallions and as chives. When I say we used them as scallions, I mean that they were roughly the size and shape of a green onion, without any "bulb" formed at the bottom. The clumps went dormant in the summer, so I dug them up, (again looking like small shallots) but before I got to cook any in bulb form, they started growing again. So now they are all planted and have formed clumps. When they go dormant again, which I expect will be in early summer, I'd be happy to send some to the BX if people here would like to try it. Jana Ulmer Sebastopol, CA From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue Oct 7 01:07:45 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Chinese Edible Plants Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:09:13 -0500 Dear David and Jana, Stem lettuce is not like a leaf lettuce at all and does not form a head. Instead the central stem elongates sort of like an inverted carrot - larger at the base and small as it goes up. To prepare, you remove the leaves (don't know if they are edible like lettuce leaves. Then peel the rough and sometime woody outer layer until you reach the pale green smooth inner core. This can be sliced in thin diagonal slices and stir fried, or chunks and added to soup. Lots of other ways too. There's a pic at http://www.kitazawaseed.com/seed_068-162.html It does not taste like asparagus to me, nor celery. Very mild and crunchy. > >Celtuce is sold in season in oriental markets, such as the 99 Ranch >Markets. I am quite fond of it, but thick stems can be >woody. Lucky you. When is the season where you are? > >Water spinach used to be sold in packages in ordinary supermarkets. >I don't know why they call it that It is usually grown in water as an aquatic plant. The I'itoi onion looks sort of like a sprouted garlic bulb and very interesting. Never heard of this one before, but must have been an important native food, just to survive to this day. A host of edible bulbs and tubers off the beaten track. If anyone can find a source of one-bulb garlic, I'd love to know. Anyone know an adventurous grower in Gilroy , the garlic capital? Thanks all. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From Billthebulbbaron@aol.com Tue Oct 7 11:43:16 2008 Message-Id: From: Billthebulbbaron@aol.com Subject: Chilean/Andean Rhodophiala Dormancy Cycles? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:43:08 EDT In a message dated 10/6/08 8:40:25 PM, opbungalow@gmail.com writes: > Anyway, if anyone has had prior experience getting these species through > their first year of growth, I'd be interested to hear about it. > yes, the dormancy is normal for these in my experience. glad you had success eith R splendens, this has germinated poorly with me (PLEASE note new address & phone/fax numbers below Thanks!) 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From idavide@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 7 12:35:58 2008 Message-Id: <8077.44318.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Chinese Edible Plants Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Dear James, The leaves on celtuce are edible; there are forms with large leaves making the stem/plant look like a head of romaine.  I've seen these on the internet, but never at any market.  When I buy celtuce at the Asian markets, all the stem leaves, such as they may have been, have been removed, but the few leaves at the top of the stalk are left in place -- they are rather coarse, but they do taste like a kind of lettuce. I live on the S.F. Peninsula, but there are Asian markets all up and down coastal California.  Celtuce is available late spring - summer On the internet I found two California and one Canadian distributors of seed -- some even with several varieties While the varietal name is asparagina (Lactuca sativa asparagina), and it is called both asparagus lettuce and celery lettuce, it does not taste like either, nor does it make your urine smell. Water Spinach:  I understand the water part; what I don't understand is the spinach part.  It tastes as much like spinach as the above like asparagus.  It doesn't look like spinach either. David Ehrlich From markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net Tue Oct 7 13:52:41 2008 Message-Id: <15409845.1223401960284.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Mark Mazer Subject: Chinese Edible Plants Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:52:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > > If anyone can find a source of one-bulb garlic, I'd love to >know. Anyone know an adventurous grower in Gilroy , the garlic >capital? > Hi Jim: Trader Joe's carried single bulb chinese garlic. I saw it at the produce stands along Main Street in Flushing, Queens, New York City, and also at the large supermarket on 138th Street just across from Joe's Shanghai Restaurant where the soup dumplings and turnip cakes are a must eat. Freddi may be heading up there this winter, I'll put it on our shopping list and let you know if we get some. Growers of garlic can cultivate a single clove plant by planting immature cloves of almost any variety late in the planting season. I have had the best results with variety called S+H silverskin here, but don't go through the trouble anymore. I prefer the taste of multi-cloved garlic and found the single clove less pungent for some unknown reason. Best, Mark Mazer Hertford (36.25968, -76.55247), NC USA Zone 7b-8 From info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org Tue Oct 7 14:53:34 2008 Message-Id: <006201c928ae$5f280a90$0201a8c0@homepc> From: Subject: edible bulbs Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:56:12 +0100 I have been amazed by the range of Lilium species as well as Cardiocrinum used in cooking discovered during researching my Lilies book. Nearly, but not quite all, lilies are used from the Russian Far East, Japan including the Ainu, China, Tibet, Central Asiatic republics & eastern Europe. A few are rather bitter, several are quite sweet [so I am told] while one or two are not advised!. Clearly as a source of starch lilies can prove quite an important part of the diet of rural peoples through out the Old World, perhaps less so now for many, but if anyone knows whether Native Americans used, or still use, New World lilium for food I would be very glad to hear about it please. Iain -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for Personal use. SPAMfighter has removed 23068 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Trial and Professional version does not have this message in the email From cruiseone@value.net Tue Oct 7 15:07:03 2008 Message-Id: <0BE2053FE8B6426AABEE748EAFC33605@CruiseOne> From: "CruiseOne -Dianne Martinelli" Subject: chinese cooking Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:00:31 -0700 Last year, Trader Joes sold single cloves of garlic. They were about 1 1/2" in diameter. They were sold 2 to a package on a small wicker tray. I planted one and I got what looked liked a regular head of garlic with many cloves. The single head of garlic was very mild. I have not found them this year at Trader Joes. Dianne Martinelli Concord, California Zone 9 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 69, Issue 6 > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist> > > Today's Topics: > > 1. chinese cooking (piaba) > 2. Re: Chinese cooking (James Waddick) > 3. Walleria gracilis (Leo A. Martin) > 4. Re: Chinese cooking (Jim McKenney) > 5. Re: Chinese cooking and more (Dell Sherk) > 6. Re: Chinese cooking and more (Nhu Nguyen) > 7. Re: Chinese cooking (David Ehrlich) > 8. Chilean/Andean Rhodophiala Dormancy Cycles? (David Maxwell) > 9. Re: Chinese cooking (Jana Ulmer) > 10. Re: Chinese Edible Plants (James Waddick) > 11. Re: Chilean/Andean Rhodophiala Dormancy Cycles? > (Billthebulbbaron@aol.com) > 12. Re: Chinese Edible Plants (David Ehrlich) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:19:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: piaba > Subject: [pbs] chinese cooking > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <408682.74302.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > i know the subject line sounds a bit off topic, but i promise i'm talking > about some of our plants... > > > > i was on one of my infrequent trips to chinatown today and i saw some > leafy vegetables in a sidewalk stand that looked somewhat > intriguing.? they were somewhat triangular leaves along a > stem.? i thought to myself, these look like Ipomoea leaves.? > i asked someone what they were, and she said they were sweet potato > leaves!? in my infinite ignorance, i never knew that sweet potato > leaves were edible.? of course i had heard of water spinach, which > is an Ipomoea, but a totally different one. > > > > also, i have read that in china there's a garlic variety that produces > a bulb with a single clove.? does anyone know anything about this > garlic?? does it taste distinct from the "regular" kind? > > ======= > > tsuh yang > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:01:59 -0500 > From: James Waddick > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chinese cooking > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > Dear Tsuh Yang; > A topic of interest to me for botanic and culinary reasons. > > Yes, sweet potato leaves (Ipomoea batatas) are edible and > you can google any number of recipes. Water spinach is I. aquatica, > and a very different taste. Years ago I was working at a zoo where we > raised plain old sweet potatoes in the basement under lights so we > could harvest the vines as a treat for the leaf eating Colobus > Monkeys in winter. It was a favorite. > > One bulb garlic is one of my favorite vegetables in China. > Each bulb is nearly a perfect globe and usually less than an inch in > diameter. The flavor is like a rich, mild garlic. Very distinct. > They are often served stir fried by themselves or with a light sauce. > I have in the past sought out a US source and never found one, but I > imagine in they must be available in some Chinese shopping areas. I > can't recall if it is a cultivar or a different Allium species. In > the market they are sold pre-skinned at a slightly premium price. > > Speaking of Oriental edible alliums. You may have come across > an items called "Pickled Leeks" also known as Rakkyo and pickled > shallots. These tiny bulbs are not readily identifiable as any of > these. They are common in Vietnamese and Thai markets, sold in small > tins or glass jars. A tasty condiment. See- > > http://japanesefood.about.com/library/pictures/blrakkyo.htm > > Of course in China, especially more remote areas, you will > find many familiar items on the menu and I've eaten stir fried > 'Strawberry Begonia' (Saxafraga fortunei), Lilium davidii (a big crop > in Gansu Province) and even rhizomes of Houttuynia cordata (not > recommended). Stem lettuce or Celtuce is a common spring vegetable > in Central China. This is another delicious vegetable that certainly > deserves wider cultivation in the US although I've never seen it and > even seeds are not that easy to find. > > You might ask around for one bulb garlic if you have a good > Chinese produce market. Beg and let me know if EVER! > > > Best Jim W. > > -- > Dr. James W. Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. > Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 > USA > Ph. 816-746-1949 > Zone 5 Record low -23F > Summer 100F + > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:35:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Leo A. Martin" > Subject: [pbs] Walleria gracilis > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <3e451094384c36c1eceee8bde645ab3e.squirrel@www.possi.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > A week or so ago this was discussed in relation to its sporadic appearance > - only some years. > > I also got some of this seed the time Rachel offered it. In 2004 I planted > the seed, dividing the 15 seeds into 3 pots. Three sprouted in one of the > pots and none in the other two. The following year nothing came up in any > pot. The next year one plant came up in the pot that had sprouted before. > Last year again just the one plant sprouted. This spring I discarded the > other two pots. > > A few weeks ago I decided to take out the Veltheimea seed pots and water > them. I store things alphabetically and I accidentally pulled out the > Walleria as well. Without realizing this I have been soaking it since. It > is in my kitchen windowsill since days here are still near 100 F / 38C > though nights are cooling to the 70s F / 23C. The Walleria has sprouted > and is much better looking than in previous years. I have not unpotted it > so I don't know how big is the tuber. I'm still hoping the other two might > be alive but I doubt it. Any idea if this is self-fertile? > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:52:56 -0400 > From: "Jim McKenney" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chinese cooking > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Message-ID: <000901c927fd$e50fd900$2f01a8c0@Library> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Jim Waddick mentioned celtuce. Celtuce is nothing new in the US: it was > commonly sold a half century ago. This lettuce used to be in every seed > catalog when I was a kid, so I was surprised to read that it was now not > easily found. I checked several current general seed catalogs on hand > here, > and sure enough, not one listed celtuce. When I Googled ?celtuce seed? > there > were several hits, mostly from UK sources although there was at least one > US > source. I?ve never eaten celtuce, but I love the stems of other lettuces. > I?ll bet it?s available through the seed saver groups. > > > > We have several Asian supermarkets right in this neighborhood, and there > is > a gigantic Asian supermarket which draws clientele from far and wide > between > here and Baltimore. I?ll try to get over there sometime soon to check for > one bulb garlic and lily bulbs. I?ll let everyone know what I find. > > > > Jim McKenney > > jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com > > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871? North, 77.09829? West, USDA > zone > 7 > > My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com > > BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ > > > > Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS > > Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org > > > > Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:28:33 -0400 > From: "Dell Sherk" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chinese cooking and more > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Message-ID: <20081006222848.2FA604C01E@lists.ibiblio.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Jim and Tsuh Yang, > > I have grown water spinach, Ipomoea aquatica, in the vegetable garden, so > it > doesn't need a lot of water. I have always been confused by reports that > "morning glories" are poisonous. > > Houttuynia cordata --- this has been a menace in my herb garden where I > made > the mistake of planting it. It is very invasive, smells awful (not nearly > so > nice as cilantro which it is supposed to resemble) and cannot be weeded > out. > I resorted to painting each bit that sprouted, with an herbicide, but next > year will tell the tale. > > On the subject of edible alliums, Allium tricoccum - ramps or wild leeks - > are a seasonal folk food in parts of West Virginia. I have eaten them > boiled > and could hardly recommend them except to those folks who are fond of > great > chunks of raw garlic - not exactly the same taste, but the same kind of > intensity. But I hear that they are being served as a delicacy in fine > restaurants. Does anyone know if it is possible to cultivate these bulbs? > I > have a source and would like to try. > > Dell > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:06:53 -0700 > From: "Nhu Nguyen" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chinese cooking and more > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Dell and all, > > *Ipomoea aquatica* is an important vegetable in Vietnam where I was born. > It > is eaten widely by the poor because the plants grow vigorously in > waterways. > In some poor villages, it makes up the bulk of vegetable/foodstuff > consumed. > There are some nutrients like important vitamins that one can extract by > eating these plants. They are both eaten raw and cooked. Raw *I. > aquatica*has a very crispy texture and distinctive flavor. However, > there is fear > that the milky latex contain toxins and the plants have been shown to > accumulate toxic by products of biological activities such as waste/sewage > treatment. Another fear is that eating the raw tissue will give you an > intestinal fluke parasite called Fasciolopsis. It is common where pigs are > raised. The flukes will encyst on aquatic vegetation, waiting for the next > animal that chomps on those leaves. In the US it seems to be an invasive > weed where it is warm and wet. > > *Houttuynia cordata* is also eaten in southern Vietnam, but only the > leaves > not rhizomes. The smell is very distinctive and to me it's quite different > from cilantro. It serves as an important herb condiment along with mint > and > Thai basil in Vietnamese cuisine. It has an interesting property of > partially preventing the blood from clothing. Herbalists take advantage of > this property and prescribe it for certain ailments. During war-time, > soldiers must be very careful to not eat these plants, which I'm told is > hard for some because it makes up an important part of the cuisine. I have > too made the mistake of planting these in the ground. The rhizomes go very > deep and you must dig very deep down and get every.single.piece in order > to > get rid of the plant. > > *Allium tricoccum* is cultivated in many parts of the country and is > celebrated with it's own festival. It is native to the eastern US and > probably need a cold winter dormancy. I would like to grow it here in the > mild climate of central CA but have not been brave enough to try. Has > anyone > tried growing it in wild climates? It is sold here in the spring and is > one > of those items that dissappear quickly from the grocery special produce > shelf. > > Thanks for these fascinating topics. > > Nhu > Berkeley, CA, USA > ----- > http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ > > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Dell Sherk wrote: > >> Dear Jim and Tsuh Yang, >> >> I have grown water spinach, Ipomoea aquatica, in the vegetable garden, so >> it >> doesn't need a lot of water. I have always been confused by reports that >> "morning glories" are poisonous. >> >> Houttuynia cordata --- this has been a menace in my herb garden where I >> made >> the mistake of planting it. It is very invasive, smells awful (not nearly >> so >> nice as cilantro which it is supposed to resemble) and cannot be weeded >> out. >> I resorted to painting each bit that sprouted, with an herbicide, but >> next >> year will tell the tale. >> >> On the subject of edible alliums, Allium tricoccum - ramps or wild >> leeks - >> are a seasonal folk food in parts of West Virginia. I have eaten them >> boiled >> and could hardly recommend them except to those folks who are fond of >> great >> chunks of raw garlic - not exactly the same taste, but the same kind of >> intensity. But I hear that they are being served as a delicacy in fine >> restaurants. Does anyone know if it is possible to cultivate these bulbs? >> I >> have a source and would like to try. >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:17:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Ehrlich > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chinese cooking > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <797466.23556.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I do not know what bulb garlic is like, but for a few weeks only in the > springtime, in farmers markets here in the Bay Area, oriental farmers sell > a vegetable that I call spring garlic.? It is very similar in appearance > to scallions, but like mild garlic in flavor.? It's wonderful in omelets.? > I look forward to it every spring. > ? > Celtuce is sold in season in oriental markets, such as the 99 Ranch > Markets.? I am quite fond of it, but thick stems can be woody. > ? > Water spinach used to be sold in packages in ordinary supermarkets.? I > don?t know why they call it that ? it doesn?t look like or taste like > regular spinach. > ? > If you have an East Asian neighborhood or market that you can go to, you > might find these vegetables you are fond of, but they are seasonal. > > David Ehrlich > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:39:16 -0700 > From: "David Maxwell" > Subject: [pbs] Chilean/Andean Rhodophiala Dormancy Cycles? > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > <150371710810062039s4145db0bu82c077ff7ba05977@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi All, > > I have a question for those Members who have grown...or at least attemped > growing...the Chilean/Andean species (R.splendens, R.rhodolirion, > R.andicola, R.phycelloides, R.advena, R.bagnoldii) of Rhodophiala from > seeds > before. > > Did any/all of these species go into dormancy in their first year of > growth? > > If so...about how many weeks after planting...and about how many weeks was > their dormancy? > > My experience with Hippeastrum is that the seedlings grow continuously > throughout their first winter (May/June planting)...even at temperatures > in > the low 50sF...and they wouldn't go into a dormancy cycle until their > second > or even third winter (October/November). > > I expected the same continuous growth from my Rhodophiala seedlings, > however, almost all species are dying back. > > Well, except for the R.splendens and R.bagnoldii, which have sent up a > sturdy new leaf...if you can even call them that. > > Since the watering & growing conditions have been the same for all > species, > I'm assuming that the other species are going into their dormancy > cycles...and hopefully not just being killed off by my either over or > under > watering them. > > But I don't really know. > > I'm continuing to sparingly water even the seedlings that I have died > (back)...with the hope that maybe they're not really > all-the-way-dead...just > taking a break. > > But again, I don't really know...and I can't bring myself (yet) to dig one > up to see. > > When they seem somewhat established, I switched from watering them > indirectly to watering them directly using a spray bottle. > > Hopefully that wasn't the Kiss of Death. > > With my Hippeastrum seedlings I always water indirectly by keeping all the > pots in plastic tubs and then pouring the water into the tubs and just let > it wick up through the growing medium, which is always 100% peat. > > It was interesting that the type of potting medium I used with all these > species of Rhodophiala seeds seemed to make absolutely no difference in > germination. > > I did test batches of seeds planted in 100% peat...in 100% super-fine (San > Francisco) sand...and in a gritty mix of sand, Perlite & aquatic plant > gravel with a little peat mixed in. > > The germination ratios & growth rates were pretty much the > same...regardless > of which potting medium they were in. > > Anyway, if anyone has had prior experience getting these species through > their first year of growth, I'd be interested to hear about it. > > Thanks, > > -d. > > P.S. Ken (Amarguy), your B.josephinae is a spectacular inspiration...as > are > your intergeneric Amaryllis crosses! > > Rock on...and cross on! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:56:45 -0700 > From: Jana Ulmer > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chinese cooking > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <17479DB3-A4FE-4948-A9C4-95838D88201C@sonic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > I am long time lurker on this list, but this off-topic discussion has > compelled me to post. I have grown a "lettuce" that may similar to > the celtuce that is being discussed. Seed is available from Fedco > (http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/SeedsItem.php? > id=2731&SeedName=lettuce), and here is what they say: > > 2731CO Cracoviensis Lettuce OG (47 days) My absolute favorite of all > the lettuces Seed Savers curator M. Schultz has shared with me, > unlike any other in size, shape or colors. Cracoviensis is where the > red meets the green, making a dazzling twisting rosette with heavy > purple accenting, especially towards the center. Plants are fast > growing and very large. Although relatively rapid bolters, their > tender buttery flavor doesn?t give way to bitterness even after they > bolt. May be worth a try for over-wintering in warmer areas. > Customers in New Jersey and Massachusetts have reported success. > Listed as a distinct type, Asparagus Lettuce, in The Vegetable Garden > by Vilmorin-Andrieux (1885). Highly prized in China where they peel > and eat the thick fleshy stems like asparagus. > > What I grew was indeed large and quick to bolt, had a thick fleshy > stem, and in no way tasted like asparagus. For us, it fell in the > "interesting" category, as opposed to the "really tasty" category, > but we never tried cooking it, maybe it would have been better that way. > > In the allium arena, one that we do grow that is both tasty and > unusual is the I'itoi onion, which on the the Slow Foods "Ark of > Taste" list. You can read about it here: > > http://www.slowfoodusa.org/index.php/programs/ark_product_detail/ > iitoi_onion/ > > I planted the small shallot-like bulbs individually and each quickly > made a small clump of onions which we used both as scallions and as > chives. When I say we used them as scallions, I mean that they were > roughly the size and shape of a green onion, without any "bulb" > formed at the bottom. The clumps went dormant in the summer, so I dug > them up, (again looking like small shallots) but before I got to cook > any in bulb form, they started growing again. So now they are all > planted and have formed clumps. When they go dormant again, which I > expect will be in early summer, I'd be happy to send some to the BX > if people here would like to try it. > > Jana Ulmer > Sebastopol, CA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:09:13 -0500 > From: James Waddick > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chinese Edible Plants > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > Dear David and Jana, > Stem lettuce is not like a leaf lettuce at all and does not > form a head. Instead the central stem elongates sort of like an > inverted carrot - larger at the base and small as it goes up. To > prepare, you remove the leaves (don't know if they are edible like > lettuce leaves. Then peel the rough and sometime woody outer layer > until you reach the pale green smooth inner core. This can be sliced > in thin diagonal slices and stir fried, or chunks and added to soup. > Lots of other ways too. > There's a pic at http://www.kitazawaseed.com/seed_068-162.html > It does not taste like asparagus to me, nor celery. Very mild > and crunchy. > >> >>Celtuce is sold in season in oriental markets, such as the 99 Ranch >>Markets. I am quite fond of it, but thick stems can be >>woody. > > Lucky you. When is the season where you are? > >> >>Water spinach used to be sold in packages in ordinary supermarkets. >>I don't know why they call it that > > It is usually grown in water as an aquatic plant. > > The I'itoi onion looks sort of like a sprouted garlic bulb > and very interesting. Never heard of this one before, but must have > been an important native food, just to survive to this day. > > A host of edible bulbs and tubers off the beaten track. > > If anyone can find a source of one-bulb garlic, I'd love to > know. Anyone know an adventurous grower in Gilroy , the garlic > capital? > > Thanks all. Jim W. > -- > Dr. James W. Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. > Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 > USA > Ph. 816-746-1949 > Zone 5 Record low -23F > Summer 100F + > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:43:08 EDT > From: Billthebulbbaron@aol.com > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chilean/Andean Rhodophiala Dormancy Cycles? > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 10/6/08 8:40:25 PM, opbungalow@gmail.com writes: > > >> Anyway, if anyone has had prior experience getting these species through >> their first year of growth, I'd be interested to hear about it. >> > > yes, the dormancy is normal for these in my experience. glad you had > success eith R splendens, this has germinated poorly with me > > > > (PLEASE note new address & phone/fax numbers below Thanks!) > ALSO, I now sell Oxblood Lilies (Texas Red--also--the PINK), as well as > Freesia alba & the Texas form of Gladiolus byzantinus...see Availability > List > > Best wishes, > > Bill the Bulb Baron > www.BilltheBulbBaron.com > William R.P. Welch > > Please make all checks payable to William R.P. Welch, and use my NEW > address: > 1031-B Cayuga Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95062, USA > > New phone numbers as well: > Phone (831) 236-8397 > fax ONLY (831) 426-4915--HOWEVER I much prefer orders etc placed WITHIN an > email (NOT as an attachment) COMPARED to fax as I don't know yet how to > transfer > fax text over on to my computer where I need it--thanks! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:35:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Ehrlich > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chinese Edible Plants > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <8077.44318.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Dear James, > > The leaves on celtuce are edible; there are forms with large leaves making > the stem/plant look like a head of romaine.? I've seen these on the > internet, but never at any market.? When I buy celtuce at the Asian > markets, all the stem leaves, such as they may have been, have been > removed, but the few leaves at the top of the stalk are left in place -- > they are rather coarse, but they do taste like a kind of lettuce. > > I live on the S.F. Peninsula, but there are Asian markets all up and down > coastal California.? Celtuce is available late spring - summer > > On the internet I found?two California and one Canadian distributors of > seed -- some even with several varieties > > While the varietal name is asparagina (Lactuca sativa asparagina), and it > is called both asparagus lettuce and celery lettuce, it does not taste > like either, nor does it make your urine smell. > > Water Spinach:? I understand the water part; what I don't understand is > the spinach part.? It tastes as much like spinach as the above like > asparagus.? It doesn't look like spinach either. > > David Ehrlich > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 69, Issue 6 > ********************************** From dells@voicenet.com Tue Oct 7 17:25:52 2008 Message-Id: <20081007212542.EBEB04C011@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 186 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:25:16 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 186" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Kathleen Sayce: She says, "My garden is in southwest Washington (state not federal district), on silty sand near sealevel. Climate is zone 8, with wet moderate winters and cool dry summers." 1. Bulbs of Hyacinthoides x massartiana, mixed colors, mostly blue, though pink and white are possible. These are naturalized bulbs, planted many decades ago. Some people consider them a pest, but in locations where Hyacinthoides species are not native, this bulb is durable and reliable, and shows no sign of spreading outside cultivated areas. 2. Sisyrinchium californicum, golden-eyed grass, a native irid with yellow flowers. These seeds came from plants in my yard, the parents of which were 'weed' plants removed from a nearby cranberry bog, where the seeds appeared in a new planting area that was leveled with sand lifted from the bottom of a farm pond. This species can tolerate winter wet and summer damp to dry, prefers full sun, and if planted in gravel will seed around. From Roy Herold: SEEDS: Peonies are a rerun of BX 155, back by popular(?) demand: 3. Paeonia obovata alba -- the pick of the litter, originally from the garden of Bob and Joan Means. The leaves (roundish, matte finish) and stems emerge with a medium red color, a fantastic oontrast to the white flowers. 4. Paeonia japonica -- white flowers, pointy green leaves. 5. Paeonia obovata -- white flowers, roundish green leaves, short. 6. Paeonia obovata-ish -- smaller white flowers, emerges three weeks later than any of the others, and is taller. Different, probably another species. 7. Trillium luteum Tall, robust, nicely marked form with big yellow flowers. 8. Trillium cuneatum ex 'Eco Dappled Lemon' Years ago I was lucky enough to get a plant of the original 'Eco Dappled Lemon' from Don Jacobs, and planted a batch of seeds from it some time later. The seedlings turned out to be a mix of yellow and red flowered forms, and all had the distinctive olive-brown mottled foliage of the parent. These seeds should be from one of the yellow flowered seedlings. 9. Arisaema amurense Sort of an Asian A. triphyllum, with five leaflets instead of three. 10. Arisaema flavum Regular form. 11. Arisaema flavum 'Giant form' Looks a lot like a polyploid to me. This is larger in all regards--taller, bigger flower, fruit, seeds, and is later to emerge. There are some (poor) pictures of both on Ye Olde Arisaema Page: and 12. Arisaema triphyllum Ex the wild population at my former residence in North Reading, MA. Extremely variable coloring and marking on the inflorescences, as noted in Guy Gusman's book (my 15 minutes of arisaema fame). 13. Lilium canadense Yellow form, from seed I got about 20 years ago from the American Horticultural Society seedex. This is a particularly nice form, and has been a perennial winner of Best Species and once of Best in Show at our local Lily Society show. 14. Arum italicum 'Pictum' Nicely marked, vigorous form originally from Weir Meadow Nursery. All of the above are at least Zone 5 hardy. The following is NOT: 15. Ornithogalum fimbrimarginatum Piketberg A remarkably little known ornithogalum, but has become a favorite here. Winter growing, with shiny green leaves, more or less prostrate, that have fine white hairs on the edges. From a distance, the effect is to give the leaves a narrow white edge. Just as the leaves are dying back in the spring, the scape emerges and grows to about 50cm. The flowers are big and white, and the bloom period here extended to the beginning of July. Only a few seeds, from hand pollinations, germinate quickly. Ex Steve Hammer. Flower photos are now on the wiki, or soon to be. Thank you, Kathleen and Roy !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, Director, PBS BX From leo@possi.org Tue Oct 7 19:06:28 2008 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Chinese Edible Plants Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:06:26 -0700 (PDT) In a 99 Ranch Market here in Phoenix I saw lily bulbs sold vacuum-packed in pairs two years ago. I bought a pair and planted them in a large pot. (Phoenix is a very bad climate for Lilium, and this way I can move them around.) They sprouted and grew, with very lacy leaves on the stems. They persist but aren't happy here. I didn't eat any of them. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From Roth@ukzn.ac.za Wed Oct 8 02:07:42 2008 Message-Id: <48EC692D.2298.0024.0@ukzn.ac.za> From: "Rogan Roth" Subject: Chilean/Andean Rhodophiala Dormancy Cycles? Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:06:50 +0200 I've had similar experiences with these plants - good autumn germination and subsequent growth - dormancy in spring, but that's it, they never make an appearance again. Perhaps even slight summer moisture is anathema to them. This year I've tried them (and Placea ornata) in plain washed river sand with regular feeding, hopefully they'll be kept drier in dormancy by the sand and won't enter a slumber with terminal tendencies! Please find our Email Disclaimer here: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer/ From jonathanhutchinson@rhs.org.uk Wed Oct 8 04:12:06 2008 Message-Id: <67FCC990C7597E46BEB7E981870923021BDADC@wismail.rhs.net> From: Subject: Walleria gracilis Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:12:01 +0100 Afraid I know little about the plant that I am trying to grow, but will give it a good watering Jonathan Hutchinson Devon UK -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Leo A. Martin Sent: 06 October 2008 22:35 To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Walleria gracilis A week or so ago this was discussed in relation to its sporadic appearance - only some years. I also got some of this seed the time Rachel offered it. In 2004 I planted the seed, dividing the 15 seeds into 3 pots. Three sprouted in one of the pots and none in the other two. The following year nothing came up in any pot. The next year one plant came up in the pot that had sprouted before. Last year again just the one plant sprouted. This spring I discarded the other two pots. A few weeks ago I decided to take out the Veltheimea seed pots and water them. I store things alphabetically and I accidentally pulled out the Walleria as well. Without realizing this I have been soaking it since. It is in my kitchen windowsill since days here are still near 100 F / 38C though nights are cooling to the 70s F / 23C. The Walleria has sprouted and is much better looking than in previous years. I have not unpotted it so I don't know how big is the tuber. I'm still hoping the other two might be alive but I doubt it. Any idea if this is self-fertile? Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From zigur@hotmail.com Wed Oct 8 13:31:25 2008 Message-Id: From: Tim Harvey Subject: Walleria gracilis Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:31:15 -0700 I looked at my pots yesterday. Nothing on the surface, but a little excavation showed a plump white spherical (from the top at least) mass about 15 mm across. For various reasons these were only sowed last year, and I am pleased to see they made it through the summer. T> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:12:01 +0100> From: jonathanhutchinson@rhs.org.uk> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Walleria gracilis> > Afraid I know little about the plant that I am trying to grow, but will give it a good watering> > Jonathan Hutchinson > > Devon UK > > -----Original Message-----> From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Leo A. Martin> Sent: 06 October 2008 22:35> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [pbs] Walleria gracilis> > A week or so ago this was discussed in relation to its sporadic appearance> - only some years.> > I also got some of this seed the time Rachel offered it. In 2004 I planted> the seed, dividing the 15 seeds into 3 pots. Three sprouted in one of the> pots and none in the other two. The following year nothing came up in any> pot. The next year one plant came up in the pot that had sprouted before.> Last year again just the one plant sprouted. This spring I discarded the> other two pots.> > A few weeks ago I decided to take out the Veltheimea seed pots and water> them. I store things alphabetically and I accidentally pulled out the> Walleria as well. Without realizing this I have been soaking it since. It> is in my kitchen windowsill since days here are still near 100 F / 38C> though nights are cooling to the 70s F / 23C. The Walleria has sprouted> and is much better looking than in previous years. I have not unpotted it> so I don't know how big is the tuber. I'm still hoping the other two might> be alive but I doubt it. Any idea if this is self-fertile?> > Leo Martin> Phoenix Arizona USA> > _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki> > > _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From daxin@pacbell.net Wed Oct 8 14:48:06 2008 Message-Id: <000b01c92976$62d31450$6601a8c0@DaxinFH> From: "Daxin Liu" Subject: Chinese Cooking Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:47:58 -0700 The common name for Houttuynia cordata in Chinese is Fish Smell Grass, and even in China only people from the southern provinces such Guizhou and Guangxi really appreciate its flavor. One tuber/corm that is ever available in Asian markets is Eleocharis dulcis, or Chinese Water Chestnut. These are very easy to grow in a shallow pond. Another water vegetable that is only available in the fall is Trapa bicornis. What is sold is a menacing black seed about 1-2" across with two horns. The plant itself grows wild in lakes in central and south China. Seed collecting were traditionally done by young girls in small boats and the whole experience has been romantized in traditional Chinese literature. When I first came to the U.S. in 1990, I could not find celtuce. They started to become available only four or five years ago. Also becoming available is young flower stalks of garlic, which was one of my favorite vegetables. Daxin Liu Fragrant Hill Design www.fragranthill.com From carlobal@netzero.net Wed Oct 8 15:59:20 2008 Message-Id: <20081008.155822.1646.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> From: "carlobal@netzero.net" Subject: Chinese Cooking Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:58:22 GMT >Seed collecting (Trapa) were traditionally done by young girls in small boats and the >whole experience has been romantized in traditional Chinese literature. Dear Daxin, If this story (stories?) is available in English, I'd appreciate a reference...I'd love to read it. Carlo A. Balistrieri The Gardens at Turtle Point Tuxedo Park, NY 10987 Zone 6 (845.351.2049) Visit: www.botanicalgardening.com and its BGBlog From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Wed Oct 8 16:03:40 2008 Message-Id: <001801c92981$600af2a0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Chinese Cooking Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:06:37 -0400 I have not seen Trappa bicornis for sale in grocery stores here yet – perhaps I am not looking in the right stores or at the right season. The related Trappa natans (introduced from Europe in the nineteenth century) is a serious invasive pest in some parts of northeastern North America. Not only is it a threat to native flora: it’s said that the horned seeds wash up on beaches and make the beaches treacherous for bare-foot bathers. Eleocharis dulcis corms from the grocery store make an easy way to get a start with this species. The leaves are about the thickness of soda straws and three or four feet long. It’s very poetic to see a dragonfly perched on one of these in late summer. Now is probably a good time to look for them in the grocery stores; in my experience many do not grow, so buy more than you think you will want. I look them over for signs of sprouting before I buy them. Plants are not the only Asian delicacies making themselves at home here: the Asian snakehead, an aggressive, somewhat eel-like fish, has become established here in the greater Washington, D.C. area. When local authorities first became aware of their presence, there was a burst of activity directed at their control and elimination. But by then they were already established, and each year it becomes apparent that they are more widespread in the area than previously thought. And is the Asian oyster already established in local waters? Probably, although no one is admitting it yet. There was a program to establish this species in the area, and the study used “sterile” oysters to study their adaptability to local conditions. Asian oysters are said to be much more productive than the native species under the conditions which now prevail in Chesapeake Bay. I’ve heard rumors that breeding Asian oysters are in fact on the loose here, and if so that probably means that the native oyster is doomed as a separate species. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it Wed Oct 8 16:10:21 2008 Message-Id: <8F0AB88A-9F32-4840-B077-F5DDA7E2C0AC@tiscali.it> From: studio pozzi taubert Subject: Tricyrtis pictures Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:08:35 +0200 Hello I posted just now some pictures of Tricyrtis hirta... two different forms light and dark purple flower http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Tricyrtis enjoy !!!! Giorgio Pozzi Travedona (Varese) Italy zone 7/8 studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it From info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org Wed Oct 8 16:58:19 2008 Message-Id: <003201c92988$f716d6d0$0201a8c0@homepc> From: Subject: Chinese edible bulbs. Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:00:57 +0100 Lea your note is interesting and I have a suggestion which might alleviate the lack of 'happiness' which hopefully might improve outcomes. By now the lilies should be going into rest mode, tip them out of their pot and see what is in their. Assuming no nasty creepy crawlies look to see it there are any underground bulbs on a part of the under ground stem, also see if there are any bulbils between the nose of the bulbs on the underground portion of the stem before it breaks through the surface of the soil. If you find either pot them up separately and renew potting mix for the original two bulbs. Put them into a pot which is smaller than another which you could try to get, put the bulb pot into the larger pot and insulate all around between the two pots using peat or anything else which would not rot down e.g vermiculite or polystyrene chips. This will insulate or buffer the bulb's roots from excessive heat and can be wetted during very not weather. Most lily species need a dormant phase, if this doesn't happen naturally for other plants in your area then the lilies will be stressing. In that case put each bulb in a wrapper of sorts and place it in a fridge for 2-3 months at around 0 C to 5 C [sorry I can't help with F temps] In due course when what passes for your winter type period nears its end, put the bulbs back into pots as above and see what happens. It is important, certainly with Old World species e.g. Chinese, not to damage all roots especially those that they start producing, the new contractile roots from autumn [fall] onwards and these should not be damaged if at all possible. When in the fridge make sure the container can breathe, a plastic bag with holes punched in it may be one way and include moist peat or moist vermiculite beads in with them, they MUST NOT dry out. You didn't say what the flower colour or type was, anyway best of luck, I'd be interested to know how you get on next year. Remember to feed them ideally with a liquid feed during the first part of the year but stop that once the flowers drop off or the bulbs will get very flabby, just like us humans when we eat too much, {not me of course - I wish} Regards, Iain -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for Personal use. SPAMfighter has removed 23495 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Trial and Professional version does not have this message in the email From bonaventure@optonline.net Wed Oct 8 18:04:36 2008 Message-Id: From: bonaventure@optonline.net Subject: Chilean/Andean Rhodophiala Dormancy Cycles? Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:04:28 +0000 (GMT) I've had similar problems with some Arisaema species seedlings/first season tuberlets. Beautiful vigorous seedlings and enough produced to store during first dormancy dry, moist, cold, room temp, 3-8 months, in various combinations. Some species had in all batches remained dormant and slowly wasted away. My best result for these was to throw seeds outside, ignore, and let sprout in spring and see if they come back the next spring.. Bonaventure in NJ Original mssg.......................................................... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:06:50 +0200 From: "Rogan Roth" Subject: [pbs] Chilean/Andean Rhodophiala Dormancy Cycles? To: Message-ID: <48EC692D.2298.0024.0@ukzn.ac.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I've had similar experiences with these plants - good autumn germination and subsequent growth - dormancy in spring, but that's it, they never make an appearance again. Perhaps even slight summer moisture is anathema to them. This year I've tried them (and Placea ornata) in plain washed river sand with regular feeding, hopefully they'll be kept drier in dormancy by the sand and won't enter a slumber with terminal tendencies! From robertwerra@pacific.net Wed Oct 8 19:26:20 2008 Message-Id: <001e01c9299d$87fcb660$b8296ad0@popbob> From: Subject: Free moraea corms Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:28:11 -0700 To all moraea lovers, I have an excess of winter growing S Africa moraeas in my inland California location. These are all good corm formers. I'm sorry I don.t have a website, but pictures are on the wiki. 1.) Moraea aristata- 12 in. with blue center peacock. Multiplies well with stolons. Does better near the Calif. coast. Rare in nature. Nonfugacious. 2.) M. ciliata- 4-6 in. miniature slate blue or 6-8 in. blue and yellow irislike blossom. Blooms early-Feb.-March. Multiplies exceedingly with many basilar cormlets forming small clumps. Fugcious but periodic repeat blooms for 4-8 weeks. Tolerates frost. 3.) M. gigandra-12in. largest blosomed peacock lavender with a black and white center crescent. Nonfugacious. Multiplies fairly well with seed and cormlets. Rare in nature. 4.) M. macrocarpa.- 3 in. with disproportinally large violet and yellow blossom. Very fugacious and blooming period short. 5.) M. macronyx- 4-6 in. yellow/white irislike blossom. Feb.-March. a real charmer. Seeds and basal cormlets poorly, but makes under ground cormlets forming nice small colonies. Fugacious but repeats periodically for 6 weeks. 6.) M. polyanthos- 12-14 in. with light blue medium 6 petal blossoms. Late bloomer -June. Fugacious opening in late afternoon with a shower of blossoms. Nice but not exciting. However, it is the best reproducer-self pollinating and vigorous cormlet production. 7.) M. tripetela- varying shades of blue slender iris like blossoms. Not spectacular but very nice en masse in a long narrow pot or colony in the ground. Non fugacious. Actually it is the very best reproducer by seed and underground stolons and cormlets. 8.) M. vegeta- 4-6in.tan/yellow small blossoms. Not spectacular, but interesting. Fugacious. Self pollinating. 9.)M. tulbaghensis- 12 in. orange large peacock with brown or green center. Non fugacious. Fair seedmaker but an excellent underground corm producer. Rare in nature. 10.) M. villosa- The queen of the peacocks. 12 in. with white to purple with greento blue iridescent centers. Non fugacious. Makes seed well and underground corms even better. They do well in a well drained lean mix. If you want some, I will try to accommodate you. Let me know. I apologize for the length of this message. . From xerics@cox.net Wed Oct 8 19:59:12 2008 Message-Id: <006001c929a1$d4662ff0$7d328fd0$@net> From: "Richard" Subject: Free moraea corms Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:58:58 -0700 I would like some of: 1,3,9,and 10, if possible Richard Wagner P.O. Box 252 Vista CA 92085 Thanks you! -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of robertwerra@pacific.net Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:28 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Cc: Robert J Werra Subject: [pbs] Free moraea corms To all moraea lovers, I have an excess of winter growing S Africa moraeas in my inland California location. These are all good corm formers. I'm sorry I don.t have a website, but pictures are on the wiki. 1.) Moraea aristata- 12 in. with blue center peacock. Multiplies well with stolons. Does better near the Calif. coast. Rare in nature. Nonfugacious. 2.) M. ciliata- 4-6 in. miniature slate blue or 6-8 in. blue and yellow irislike blossom. Blooms early-Feb.-March. Multiplies exceedingly with many basilar cormlets forming small clumps. Fugcious but periodic repeat blooms for 4-8 weeks. Tolerates frost. 3.) M. gigandra-12in. largest blosomed peacock lavender with a black and white center crescent. Nonfugacious. Multiplies fairly well with seed and cormlets. Rare in nature. 4.) M. macrocarpa.- 3 in. with disproportinally large violet and yellow blossom. Very fugacious and blooming period short. 5.) M. macronyx- 4-6 in. yellow/white irislike blossom. Feb.-March. a real charmer. Seeds and basal cormlets poorly, but makes under ground cormlets forming nice small colonies. Fugacious but repeats periodically for 6 weeks. 6.) M. polyanthos- 12-14 in. with light blue medium 6 petal blossoms. Late bloomer -June. Fugacious opening in late afternoon with a shower of blossoms. Nice but not exciting. However, it is the best reproducer-self pollinating and vigorous cormlet production. 7.) M. tripetela- varying shades of blue slender iris like blossoms. Not spectacular but very nice en masse in a long narrow pot or colony in the ground. Non fugacious. Actually it is the very best reproducer by seed and underground stolons and cormlets. 8.) M. vegeta- 4-6in.tan/yellow small blossoms. Not spectacular, but interesting. Fugacious. Self pollinating. 9.)M. tulbaghensis- 12 in. orange large peacock with brown or green center. Non fugacious. Fair seedmaker but an excellent underground corm producer. Rare in nature. 10.) M. villosa- The queen of the peacocks. 12 in. wi th white to purple with greento blue iridescent centers. Non fugacious. Makes seed well and underground corms even better. They do well in a well drained lean mix. If you want some, I will try to accommodate you. Let me know. I apologize for the length of this message. . _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From clayton3120@cablespeed.com Wed Oct 8 22:25:20 2008 Message-Id: <3D.EB.32510.58B6DE84@mxo5.broadbandsupport.net> From: Subject: Free moraea corms Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:25:09 -0400 From dejager@bulbargence.com Thu Oct 9 01:52:41 2008 Message-Id: From: Lauw de Jager Subject: Free moraea corms Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:52:16 +0200 Dear Robert, Surely like many other forum members I am interested in your offer, even if it only to find again M gigandra, which I use to have and lost a few years ago. I would be very grateful if you could spare a few corms if this species. If some left M villlosa is also of interest to me. Look forward to hearing from you; Greetings Lauw de Jager Le 9/10/08 1:28, « robertwerra@pacific.net » a écrit : M. gigandra-12in. largest blosomed peacock lavender with a black > and white center crescent. Nonfugacious. Multiplies fairly well with seed and > cormlets. Rare in nature. M. villosa- The queen of the peacocks. 12 in. wi > th white to purple with greento blue iridescent centers. Non fugacious. Makes > seed well and underground corms even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From msittner@mcn.org Thu Oct 9 10:28:35 2008 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20081009063257.0351c598@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Free moraea corms Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:35:54 -0700 Hi everyone, It's wonderful for Bob Werra to offer his Moraea corms to everyone, but please respond with your requests to him and not to the list. Send your requests to robertwerra@pacific.net Thanks. Mary Sue From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Thu Oct 9 09:45:18 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Chinese Cooking Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:43:20 -0500 Dear Daxin, > The common name for Houttuynia cordata in Chinese is Fish >Smell Grass, and >even in China only people from the southern provinces such Guizhou and >Guangxi really appreciate its flavor. Yes, the rhizomes have a pretty intense flavor -and aroma!. I had it in a small village in Yunnan years ago, but I can (almost) still taste it ! > One tuber/corm that is ever available in Asian markets is >Eleocharis dulcis, >or Chinese Water Chestnut. These are very easy to grow in a shallow pond. This is an uncommon (botanically), tuberous sedge, but common in China and the US. This reminded me of another tuberous sedge, Chufa or 'ground almond or Cyperus esculenta. I am sort of surprised this has not been exploited more as a human food. The underground tubers are nutrient rich and very tasty. >Another water vegetable that is only available in the fall is Trapa >bicornis. I have bought this in markets near China towns in New York and Philadelphia. These menacing black, seed pods are cracked open to reveal a white heart shaped seed that is fairly bland. I've never seen it in Chinese dishes although it can be added to soups and stir fries. See http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ploct95.htm >When I first came to the U.S. in 1990, I could not find celtuce. They >started to become available only four or five years ago. Might make it to the middle of the US some day. I can hope. >Also becoming available is young flower stalks of garlic, which was >one of my favorite >vegetables. This is an easy garden veg to harvest. Simply remove stalks before the flower. Most often Garlic Chive (Allium tuberosum) flower stalks are sold in Asian Markets, but any garlc flower stems can be cooked an eaten. I agree these are great "foods from bulbs". Any other bulbous food rarities? Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 10:37:26 2008 Message-Id: <6726211.1223563045890.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Mark Mazer Subject: Chinese Cooking Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:37:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > This is an easy garden veg to harvest. Simply remove stalks >before the flower. Most often Garlic Chive (Allium tuberosum) flower >stalks are sold in Asian Markets, but any garlc flower stems can be >cooked an eaten. I agree these are great "foods from bulbs". > > Any other bulbous food rarities? Hi Jim: Native species of Sagittaria, commomly called Arrowhead, have edible tubers and are relatively easy to harvest from the muddy shallows of local ponds. I believe that there are similar species in Asia and Europe. Tuberlike growths along the root of the vine Apios americana are known as groundnut or Indian potato, not so good nor commonly found anymore. Claytonia virginica, the spring beauty, has an edible tuber commonly called fairy spuds, actually quite good roasted. I snap off garlic scapes from the hardneck varities when they appear, but find them rather tough when consumed as a vegetable. I freeze some for use in flavoring winter soups and stews. Anyone in the area during June and early July is welcome to stop by the farm for free scapes. Mark Mazer Hertford, North carolina USA Zone 7b-8 36.25968, -76.55247 From oothal@hotmail.com Thu Oct 9 11:39:46 2008 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Narcissus Bulb Fly control question using fly control tags for cattle Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:39:44 -0500 Hi all, Being very new to this forum and new to bulb growing, there are many things I do not know about. The Narcissus fly is one of them. I got a catalog a month or so ago and it is a catalog from Valley Vet Supply. They have all kinds of supplies for Ranchers and other people that raise animals. I mention this because on one page of their catalog they have "fly control" tags that are to be put on the ears of cattle and such to control horn flies, face flies and ticks. From their description they appear to be some type of plastic tags impregnated with differing combinations of chemicals for the control of these flies. From reading their description they last about 6 months. I was wondering if anyone would think that some of these fly control tags placed on stakes and placed low to the ground next to bulbs, if that would either kill the narcissus bulb fly or just keep it away? If anyone out there has tried this let me know. Though the tags are not really expensive they still are kinda pricy for me. I also do not have the knowledge of the Narcissus fly or the facilities to accuratly test such a "offbeat idea." Thanks for your time in reading this. Justin Woodville, TX zone 8b _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From djordan68@comcast.net Thu Oct 9 11:56:15 2008 Message-Id: <98999DC3B0534E1991F8AF4C9C6049C3@debbiePC> From: "Deborah Jordan" Subject: Narcissus Bulb Fly control question using fly control tags for cattle Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:47:20 -0500 Justin--I'm just "down the road" from you and we don't have a problem with narcissus fly. I assume its one of the positive effects of 6 months of unbearable heat and humidity. I'm well familiar with Woodville--lots of older relatives there. One thing you do have is heavy pine woods and a different soil type than we do. I'm out west of Houston on what used to be the great Katy Prairie--where the narcissus fly does not live. You might consider joining the Texas Daffodil Society, we are pretty active: http://www.texasdaffodilsociety.org/ Or contact Keith Kridler--he's a bit northwest of you at: txdaffodils@suddenlink.net Debbie west of Houston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: [pbs] Narcissus Bulb Fly control question using fly control tags for cattle > > Hi all, Being very new to this forum and new to bulb growing, there are > many things I do not know about. The Narcissus fly is one of them. > > I got a catalog a month or so ago and it is a catalog from Valley Vet > Supply. They have all kinds of supplies for Ranchers and other people that > raise animals. > > I mention this because on one page of their catalog they have "fly > control" tags that are to be put on the ears of cattle and such to control > horn flies, face flies and ticks. From their description they appear to be > some type of plastic tags impregnated with differing combinations of > chemicals for the control of these flies. From reading their description > they last about 6 months. > > I was wondering if anyone would think that some of these fly control tags > placed on stakes and placed low to the ground next to bulbs, if that would > either kill the narcissus bulb fly or just keep it away? > > If anyone out there has tried this let me know. Though the tags are not > really expensive they still are kinda pricy for me. I also do not have the > knowledge of the Narcissus fly or the facilities to accuratly test such a > "offbeat idea." > > Thanks for your time in reading this. > > Justin > > Woodville, TX zone 8b > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of > your life. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu Oct 9 12:00:28 2008 Message-Id: <000301c92a28$90c75210$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Chinese Cooking Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:03:19 -0400 Jim Waddick asked “Any other bulbous food rarities?” In the past we’ve touched on such items as the South American Oxalis and Tropaeolum used as food which occasionally appear in American markets now. And we’ve talked about the mini-industry surrounding Amorphophallus konjac. And we’ve had discussions on the use of salep. In another week or two I’ll harvest my Mexican Oxalis: these come out of the ground with finger-sized, bright white turgid, crunchy-looking roots which look like icicle radishes. Oddly, these roots quickly shrivel once the bulbs are dug. A new email lily friend recently told me something about our native lilies which I had never heard. Evidently in his area there are dense populations of Lilium superbum in areas which are not exactly typical habitat for this species (typically it is associated in some way with water – along streams or in seepage areas for instance). These dense populations are thought by some to be survivors of bulbs stockpiled for food by Indians long ago. Now on to another aspect of the same topic. Some crocus have long been used as food by humans. And the peculiar distribution of some tulips has been attributed to their transport as food items by the Romans and Phoenicians. And Bob Werra's Moraea offer reminds me that the only Moraea I currently grow, M. sisyrinchium, has been known since at least the sixteenth century as "Spanish nut" - and it was no doubt in the trade as a food item long before it was traded as an ornamental. With the exception of the Amorphophallus, none of these is Chinese. But here's one which is, and it's hardly known at all nowadays: Stachys affinis (aka S. sieboldii, S. tuberifera). It's still grown, but I can't immediately put my finger on a current commercial source. If someone knows of one, I would like to hear about it. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where we're entering peak autumn crocus season. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From totototo@telus.net Thu Oct 9 12:37:37 2008 Message-Id: <19740414223344.8030090334183549@priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Chinese Edible Plants Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:35:44 -0700 On 7 Oct 08, at 16:06, Leo A. Martin wrote: > In a 99 Ranch Market here in Phoenix I saw lily bulbs sold vacuum-packed > in pairs two years ago. I bought a pair and planted them in a large pot. > (Phoenix is a very bad climate for Lilium, and this way I can move them > around.) They sprouted and grew, with very lacy leaves on the stems. They > persist but aren't happy here. > > I didn't eat any of them. They're Lilium henryi. Mine flower well, but I don't particularly like the wimpy orange of the flowers. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From bonaventure@optonline.net Thu Oct 9 13:36:56 2008 Message-Id: From: bonaventure@optonline.net Subject: Chinese Cooking Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:35:03 +0000 (GMT) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any other bulbous food rarities? Best Jim W. Would you like a couple bushel baskets of Amorphophallus konjac and Typhonium venosum? I need to de-infest the compost amended sandy soil of my gardens! Anyone know recipes? Way the economy is going, I may have to stockpile them. What compound (biochemical) produces the fishy smell in the Fish Smell Grass, an omega-3 fatty acid perhaps? Any health benefits? Bonaventure From toadlily@olywa.net Thu Oct 9 15:06:37 2008 Message-Id: <48EE5647.6010201@olywa.net> From: Laura & Dave Subject: Narcissus Bulb Fly control question using fly control tags for cattle Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:06:47 -0700 Justin Smith wrote: > > ... to control horn flies, face flies and ticks. From their > description they appear to be some type of plastic tags impregnated > with differing combinations of chemicals ... > I would be hesitant to use this product until I investigated what chemicals were being used, and what insects (and other phyla) were affected). As flies and ticks are not closely related, I'd worry that the tags are rather broad spectrum, and that there would be many more problems from wiping out beneficials than gains from narcissus fly control. It would appear from the method of application that vapors are the means of inoculation, like the old pest strips. What would this mean for pets, kids and gardeners who would be around the flower beds? Dave Brastow . From robertwerra@pacific.net Thu Oct 9 15:10:14 2008 Message-Id: <005601c92a42$ecb23580$b8296ad0@popbob> From: Subject: free moraeas Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:12:07 -0700 To all the moraea lovers, First, I apologize to PBS. I should have made it clear to respond only to me and not PBS. Next, I feel like Mickey Mouse as The Sorcerer's Apprentice. I should have left it to Dell Sherk and the PBS exchange. I soon will be sending him a mess of seed including moraeas and didn't want to overburden him. I didn't realize there were more than a half dozen other demented moraea lovers in the world, but I'm pleased that there are. It will take some time, but there is still time to plant these winter growers. I will attempt to give everyone something and answer any questions. If you wish to reimburse me for what you see as postage thank you, but there is no obligation at all. I can sneak it out of my wife's money stash after I erase this Email. Enjoy the pleasure of growing moraeas. Email robertwerra@ pacific.net From maxwithers@gmail.com Fri Oct 10 13:44:10 2008 Message-Id: <48EF9464.8050604@gmail.com> From: Max Withers Subject: Chinese Cooking Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:44:04 -0700 Amana edulis. Not the only edible tulip either, though it is hard to find information on which are eaten, and where. There is a story that I've mostly forgotten about Clusius or someone cooking up a big batch of them before he saw the flowers. I recently read that the bulbs of wild Muscari comosum and M. racemosum are delicacies in Puglia (and I would guess, elsewhere in their range as well). I may try some in the herb bed. Best, Max Withers Oakland CA From leo@possi.org Fri Oct 10 15:58:17 2008 Message-Id: <79fef94adb4ce3e148da4f676b0f4637.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Chinese edible bulbs Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Iain wrote about lily culture in Phoenix. Thanks, I'll try the suggestions. The edible one never bloomed so I don't know what the flower looks like, nor the species. It's OK to use degrees C even in the USA. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA > Leo your note is interesting and I have a suggestion which might > alleviate the lack of 'happiness' which hopefully might improve outcomes. > By now the lilies should be going into rest mode, tip them out of their > pot and see what is in their. Assuming no nasty creepy crawlies look to > see it there are any underground bulbs on a part of the under ground > stem, also see if there are any bulbils between the nose of the bulbs on > the underground portion of the stem before it breaks through the surface > of the soil. If you find either pot them up separately and renew potting > mix for the original two bulbs. Put them into a pot which is smaller than > another which you could try to get, put the bulb pot into the larger pot > and insulate all around between the two pots using peat or anything else > which would not rot down e.g vermiculite or polystyrene chips. This will > insulate or buffer the bulb's roots from excessive heat and can be wetted > during very not weather. > > Most lily species need a dormant phase, if this doesn't happen naturally > for other plants in your area then the lilies will be stressing. In that > case put each bulb in a wrapper of sorts and place it in a fridge for 2-3 > months at around 0 C to 5 C [sorry I can't help with F temps] In due > course when what passes for your winter type period nears its end, put > the bulbs back into pots as above and see what happens. It is important, > certainly with Old World species e.g. Chinese, not to damage all roots > especially those that they start producing, the new contractile roots > from autumn [fall] onwards and these should not be damaged if at all > possible. When in the fridge make sure the container can breathe, a > plastic bag with holes punched in it may be one way and include moist > peat or moist vermiculite beads in with them, they MUST NOT dry out. > > You didn't say what the flower colour or type was, anyway best of luck, > I'd be interested to know how you get on next year. Remember to feed them > ideally with a liquid feed during the first part of the year but stop > that once the flowers drop off or the bulbs will get very flabby, just > like us humans when we eat too much, {not me of course - I wish} > > Regards, Iain From btankers@chicagobotanic.org Fri Oct 10 16:12:14 2008 Message-Id: <52857FDB394B7E45BA1F2E60D7313E2A0E02A38E@cbgmail.chicagobotanic.org> From: "Boyce Tankersley" Subject: Plant Importation and Lacey Act Provisions Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:14:39 -0500 Dear All: I want to share some information that recently came my way that will impact importations of plants into the US. A last minute addendum to the Agricultural Appropriations bill passed earlier this summer changed the Lacey Act as follows: "basically the Agriculture bill which is now law included new language which amends the Lacey Act to include "any wild member of the plant kingdom, including roots, seeds, parts, and products thereof" and give the Secretary of Agriculture 180 days to come up with procedures for clearances. For animal specimens, the Lacey Act basically means that it is a felony in the USA to import any animals that have been collected illegally under any level of law at their point of origin, and the burden of proving material is legally collected is on the collector and/or the collection in which the material comes to reside. It is among the most pervasive of US laws because of the impact of making foreign law a felony. For insects, it is often hard to prove that their export is not regulated by particular countries, because often no regulatory office has the authority to write a letter saying they don't regulate them, but at the same time, they will tell you in person that they don't care about insects." It appears that we will need a letter from the country of origin in the future stating that the plants, seeds, roots, cuttings, etc. that we import were collected legally. Boyce Tankersley Director of Living Plant Documentation Chicago Botanic Garden 1000 Lake Cook Road Glencoe, IL 60022 tel: 847-835-6841 fax: 847-835-1635 email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org From othonna@gmail.com Fri Oct 10 17:49:07 2008 Message-Id: <8e8da5260810101449o72c42ed7n1f38fba0ad77da92@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Plant Importation and Lacey Act Provisions Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:49:05 -0700 This and similar changes in US and international laws will probably support a growing shift away from independent parties organizing the importation of plants and toward a higher degree of organized exportation of plants (cf. orchids) from countries of origin. In spite of some very real drawbacks for us, this seems a good way to encourage native flora nurseries to develop in foreign countries. Allowed to grow properly, this is to everyone's benefit in the long run. This process can also gradually raise awareness about the local benefits of protecting plants and animals and their habitats. Better that they are seen and appreciated as an emerging specialized commodity than to be destroyed because their value is never appreciated on any level that affords protection. On a more selfish note, without such home industry growth there may be little hope of continuing viable and diverse imports of live plants and seeds. Still many questions remain: *If or how to discern collected legally (wild origin) from obtained/grown legally in a nursery? *Who if anyone will retain "ownership" of the material in perpetuity? If implemented, how does this carry to subsequent "owners" and subsequent generations of plants? *So-called benefit sharing-- practical limits and mechanisms here are very poorly developed or unconsidered for small lots of seeds and plants. Underlying ethical concepts have been put forth with little serious debate or counter-argument. *What provision will be made for these and future changes in law in countries that barely recognize such trade and have no legal mechanism for accommodating any process for such minimal demand? *Can a supplier be certified or will each transaction be a stand alone export? Even with ostensible benefits, by facilitating better practices and possibly clearer rules of operation, there remain many hurdles as difficult or more challenging than those the laws attempt to remedy in the first place. With everything going on in global finance today, this dialogue has a familiar flavor. Dylan Hannon On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Boyce Tankersley < btankers@chicagobotanic.org> wrote: > Dear All: > > I want to share some information that recently came my way that will > impact importations of plants into the US. > > A last minute addendum to the Agricultural Appropriations bill passed > earlier this summer changed the Lacey Act as follows: > > "basically the Agriculture bill which is now law included new language > which amends the Lacey Act to include "any wild member of the plant > kingdom, including roots, seeds, parts, and products thereof" and give > the Secretary of Agriculture 180 days to come up with procedures for > clearances. > > For animal specimens, the Lacey Act basically means that it is a felony > in the USA to import any animals that have been collected illegally > under any level of law at their point of origin, and the burden of > proving material is legally collected is on the collector and/or the > collection in which the material comes to reside. It is among the most > pervasive of US laws because of the impact of making foreign law a > felony. For insects, it is often hard to prove that their export is not > regulated by particular countries, because often no regulatory office > has the authority to write a letter saying they don't regulate them, but > at the same time, they will tell you in person that they don't care > about insects." > > It appears that we will need a letter from the country of origin in the > future stating that the plants, seeds, roots, cuttings, etc. that we > import were collected legally. > > Boyce Tankersley > Director of Living Plant Documentation > Chicago Botanic Garden > 1000 Lake Cook Road > Glencoe, IL 60022 > tel: 847-835-6841 > fax: 847-835-1635 > email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From eagle85@flash.net Fri Oct 10 23:36:15 2008 Message-Id: From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Hippeastrum collectors Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:35:23 -0700 To the Hippeastrum collectors out there, I am trying to “assemble” a list of the five most rare, hard to collect, wanted Hippeastrums known to the “hippie” world. Your response will be appreciated. Add names if you have others. I will suggest a few just to “start the ball rolling”. intiflorum Peruvian Andes goianum Brazil bukasovii Peruvian Andes argentinum (tucumanum) Argentina, Bolivia, Peru arboricola Argentina parodii Argentina Doug Westfall From brown.mark@wanadoo.fr Sat Oct 11 02:18:21 2008 Message-Id: <28ECF07A2077415589021376533003C6@acer6281efdef1> From: "brown.mark" Subject: Plant Importation and Lacey Act Provisions Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:18:01 +0200 I am reminded of what variuos french nursery people say about Euphorbia dulcis 'Cameleon'.It was found here in France by a "visiting" british plantsman or woman and some people here complain variously of that fact!!And that no one here has benifited from it's comercialisation.Whose fault is that?The plant was growing under their feet! I know of a few keen native collectors of native plants and their sports.Sorely this could be handsomely developped?I have found many really fabulous clones of galanthus here which fetch huge prices in Britain and elsewhere (not for me,I don't twin scale...)And now that interest of Hyacinthoides non-scripta clones are taking off it is clear that the northrn french populations are very interesting too! I can easliy see a burgeoning industry of native plants bring quite handsome profits to local people trading in locally grown native plants and their variants.Just think of how the japanese have exploited their native flora for centuries!And they don't sell cheap!!But then why should they? Come on the rest of the world you are sitting on a gold mine!Don't just shut us out sell us healthy and fascinating plants that grow on your doorstep. I am reminded of japanese visitors and when they see the dasies (Bellis perennis) in the lawn or even the Taraxacum officinale in the fields!They all want so badly to know what it is and have a root or some seed.I have given a good many interesting variants of native plants to them but rarely do they perform as well in the continental climate of most of Japan.I too love veriegated forms of wild plants/weeds!How many of you prefer the good form of Arisaema sikokianum with its' fabulous marbled leaves?It is a weed/wild plant in some parts of Japan.I have found really wonderful variegated forms of our native Arum maculatum.Even the seeds are variegated! I just am gob smacked when I hear of laws forbidding plant collecting! It is another excuse to control resources by the centralized powers but which really belong to the landowners and farmers etc who live and work there.I would be delighted to buy any native grown native plants from any farmer or enterprising landowner and share my resources with them!Such unimaginative politicians should just crawl back under their rocks!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hannon" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Plant Importation and Lacey Act Provisions > > This and similar changes in US and international laws will probably > support > a growing shift away from independent parties organizing the importation > of > plants and toward a higher degree of organized exportation of plants (cf. > orchids) from countries of origin. In spite of some very real drawbacks > for > us, this seems a good way to encourage native flora nurseries to develop > in > foreign countries. Allowed to grow properly, this is to everyone's benefit > in the long run. > This process can also gradually raise awareness about the local benefits > of > protecting plants and animals and their habitats. Better that they are > seen > and appreciated as an emerging specialized commodity than to be destroyed > because their value is never appreciated on any level that affords > protection. On a more selfish note, without such home industry growth > there > may be little hope of continuing viable and diverse imports of live plants > and seeds. > Still many questions remain: > > *If or how to discern collected legally (wild origin) from obtained/grown > legally in a nursery? > > *Who if anyone will retain "ownership" of the material in perpetuity? If > implemented, how does this carry to subsequent "owners" and subsequent > generations of plants? > > *So-called benefit sharing-- practical limits and mechanisms here are very > poorly developed or unconsidered for small lots of seeds and plants. > Underlying ethical concepts have been put forth with little serious debate > or counter-argument. > > *What provision will be made for these and future changes in law in > countries that barely recognize such trade and have no legal mechanism for > accommodating any process for such minimal demand? > > *Can a supplier be certified or will each transaction be a stand alone > export? > > Even with ostensible benefits, by facilitating better practices and > possibly > clearer rules of operation, there remain many hurdles as difficult or more > challenging than those the laws attempt to remedy in the first place. > > With everything going on in global finance today, this dialogue has a > familiar flavor. > > > Dylan Hannon > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Boyce Tankersley < > btankers@chicagobotanic.org> wrote: > >> Dear All: >> >> I want to share some information that recently came my way that will >> impact importations of plants into the US. >> >> A last minute addendum to the Agricultural Appropriations bill passed >> earlier this summer changed the Lacey Act as follows: >> >> "basically the Agriculture bill which is now law included new language >> which amends the Lacey Act to include "any wild member of the plant >> kingdom, including roots, seeds, parts, and products thereof" and give >> the Secretary of Agriculture 180 days to come up with procedures for >> clearances. >> >> For animal specimens, the Lacey Act basically means that it is a felony >> in the USA to import any animals that have been collected illegally >> under any level of law at their point of origin, and the burden of >> proving material is legally collected is on the collector and/or the >> collection in which the material comes to reside. It is among the most >> pervasive of US laws because of the impact of making foreign law a >> felony. For insects, it is often hard to prove that their export is not >> regulated by particular countries, because often no regulatory office >> has the authority to write a letter saying they don't regulate them, but >> at the same time, they will tell you in person that they don't care >> about insects." >> >> It appears that we will need a letter from the country of origin in the >> future stating that the plants, seeds, roots, cuttings, etc. that we >> import were collected legally. >> >> Boyce Tankersley >> Director of Living Plant Documentation >> Chicago Botanic Garden >> 1000 Lake Cook Road >> Glencoe, IL 60022 >> tel: 847-835-6841 >> fax: 847-835-1635 >> email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > From tom@evolution-plants.com Sun Oct 12 06:07:13 2008 Message-Id: From: Tom Mitchell Subject: Plant Importation and Lacey Act Provisions (Hannon) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:04:21 +0100 Collecting plant material in the wild and trading it internationally is a vexed issue from both legal and ethical perspectives. I find it helpful to separate the two perspectives - what ought we do and what the law says we must do - when trying to figure out my own position. A third perspective - the pragmatic question what happens in the real world - further muddies the waters. Of course, I have a vested interest - I collect seeds in the wild and would like to be able to exchange them with friends and sell them to customers internationally, including in the USA, ideally without breaking the law. This makes it terribly hard to remain objective. There are good arguments on both sides of the opinion divide and one must resist cherry-picking those that suit. Ethically, the only serious objections to unregulated wild collecting that I have encountered are: (a) the danger of bringing about extinction of wild populations through over-collecting; (b) the risk of introducing invasive species and (c) the risk of inadvertently introducing diseases. There isn’t space to go into the reasons but, personally, I reject as totally specious arguments that genetic material ‘belongs’ to the temporary geopolitical entity in which it happens to be located at the moment it is collected. These are all arguments for intelligent regulation, not arguments against the trading of plants. The difficulty with regulation is that the individuals appointed to do the regulating are usually inadequate to the task. In many developing countries no authority exists that is adequately resourced to regulate plant exports or, if it does, its officers are typically corrupt. If we were to insist that only exporters with a valid permit were allowed to export plants, what we’d in fact end up with is exporters capable of paying the largest bribes. At the import end, things are often no better. In Australia, for example, it is legal to import seeds of Helleborus x hybridus but illegal to import seeds of Helleborus orientalis. Go figure. The point though, is that there ain’t a customs officer on earth who could tell the difference between the two. So, again, if we insist that all plant material is inspected and ‘passed’, quantities of plant material that isn’t what it claims to be will enter the importing countries. Ironically, those few people competent to regulate plant exports and imports with respect to the identity and conservation status of the plants in question are often the collectors themselves. Which brings me to the legal perspective. Laws governing international trade are constructed by bureaucrats to be the least bad compromise among the wishes of powerful vested interests in the treating countries. One can feel pretty confident that the views of PBS members were not high on the list of priorities of the signatories to the Convention on Biological Diversity. My attitude to these laws, therefore, is that they should be treated with a healthy degree of contempt. Anyone who finds this attitude shocking might ask him or herself whether he has ever broken the speed limit (illegally endangering life), taken a pinch of seed from someone else’s garden (theft), or failed to declare income on a tax return (tax evasion). Of course, we should aspire to influence our legislators to make better laws, but I’m not holding my breath. In the end, what happens in the real world is a messy compromise. Most members of the PBS list want to grow plants that are native to other plants of the world. Those that want to grow only native plants should try living in a country that was under half a mile of ice a few thousand years ago. Personally I advocate self-regulation. Gardeners, like hunters, make good conservationists. We want the habitats where our plants originated to be conserved. An anecdote illustrates my point. In May this year, I collected a small piece of Actaea spicata rhizome from a large colony growing by a roadside in Slovenia. I went back to the site last week in the hope of collecting seed. The place is now a car park. I was rather upset by this and not because I’d missed out on the seed I’d hoped to collect. The only surviving plant of this colony in the world is now in my garden, from whence, properly labeled and vegetatively propagated, it could eventually be re- introduced to the wild. The flora of the Balkans is threatened by post-war reconstruction and by development as more countries accede to the European Union. These developments are warmly welcomed by most local people. The flora is not in the least threatened by my collecting activities, nor by the few other enthusiasts who bumble around the region in search of interesting plants. > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:49:05 -0700 > From: Hannon > Subject: Re: [pbs] Plant Importation and Lacey Act Provisions > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Message-ID: > <8e8da5260810101449o72c42ed7n1f38fba0ad77da92@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This and similar changes in US and international laws will probably > support > a growing shift away from independent parties organizing the > importation of > plants and toward a higher degree of organized exportation of > plants (cf. > orchids) from countries of origin. In spite of some very real > drawbacks for > us, this seems a good way to encourage native flora nurseries to > develop in > foreign countries. Allowed to grow properly, this is to everyone's > benefit > in the long run. > This process can also gradually raise awareness about the local > benefits of > protecting plants and animals and their habitats. Better that they > are seen > and appreciated as an emerging specialized commodity than to be > destroyed > because their value is never appreciated on any level that affords > protection. On a more selfish note, without such home industry > growth there > may be little hope of continuing viable and diverse imports of live > plants > and seeds. > Still many questions remain: > > *If or how to discern collected legally (wild origin) from obtained/ > grown > legally in a nursery? > > *Who if anyone will retain "ownership" of the material in > perpetuity? If > implemented, how does this carry to subsequent "owners" and subsequent > generations of plants? > > *So-called benefit sharing-- practical limits and mechanisms here > are very > poorly developed or unconsidered for small lots of seeds and plants. > Underlying ethical concepts have been put forth with little serious > debate > or counter-argument. > > *What provision will be made for these and future changes in law in > countries that barely recognize such trade and have no legal > mechanism for > accommodating any process for such minimal demand? > > *Can a supplier be certified or will each transaction be a stand alone > export? > > Even with ostensible benefits, by facilitating better practices and > possibly > clearer rules of operation, there remain many hurdles as difficult > or more > challenging than those the laws attempt to remedy in the first place. > > With everything going on in global finance today, this dialogue has a > familiar flavor. > > > Dylan Hannon > From dells@voicenet.com Sun Oct 12 08:51:46 2008 Message-Id: <20081012125059.AF9ED4C08A@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Hippeastrum angustifolium Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:49:56 -0400 Dear Lee, Two notes on this subject: I have grown and bloomed H. teyucarense x H. angustifolia from seed that Warren Glover sent to the IBS BX back when I ran it. I'll try to get a photo onto the wiki. I once contacted the Japanese grower, whom you reference, to ask for seeds to be donated to one of the exchanges, and he replied at that time that his plant(s) had set no seed that season. I think he is the one who grows it in a small artificial pond. There are photos of it floating around on the web. I'll try again if I can find his contact information. Dell Lee Poulsen wqrote to the IBS forum: 1e. Re: Hippeastrum collectors Posted by: "Lee Poulsen" wpoulsen@pacbell.net wlpoulsen Date: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:44 am ((PDT)) Ten or more years ago, an IBS member who lives in Japan donated a huge amount of seeds of H. angustifolium to the IBS SX. I got some, but not knowing anything about the species, especially that after the first or second year of growth, you then need to grow it with water around the bottom of the pot. So my seedlings all suddenly died on me. Charles Hardman told me that he had great difficulty keeping them alive, and at the time I spoke with him a couple of years ago, he said he only had one bulb left. I asked him how the member in Japan was able to send so many seeds to the SX way back when and he said that member grew his H. angustifolium in a stream that flowed through his property, where they naturalized and grew very well. So well that he had hybridized them with another, pink, Hippeastrum I believe. He donated seeds of that hybrid as well. Maybe someone could contact Charles Hardman and ask him who this Japanese member is and whether he has any contact information, and maybe someone could then contact that member and ask if he might be able to donate more seeds of it in the future. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a From telosrarebulbs@suddenlink.net Sun Oct 12 12:26:19 2008 Message-Id: <0B82A0C79D424F8D93025EF78867A6D3@DJ9SK221> From: "Telos Rare Bulbs" Subject: Milla magnifica Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:25:03 -0700 My Milla magnifica has bloomed at last. There is a picture on my blog: www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com. It is truly magnificent. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs www.telosrarebulbs.com From othonna@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 12:50:51 2008 Message-Id: <8e8da5260810120950k30f6add3l67736b2002447c06@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Plant Importation and Lacey Act Provisions (Hannon) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:50:49 -0700 Tom, I agree in the main with what you say here. One theme of yours that I think is particularly important to emphasize, especially to beginning collectors, is that successful and enduring collecting ethics (both garden collecting and wild collecting) are self-generated and not the result of any legal strictures. If we fail to develop our own independent good judgment in these things, from the literature and from one another, then we end up inviting a government framework that is exasperating precisely because it cannot possibly perform the job it sets out to do. A lack of funding, training, and field knowledge may be lesser impediments for dedicated private parties than for bureaucracies constrained by administrative standards. "One can feel pretty confident that the views of PBS members were not high on the list of priorities of the signatories to the Convention on Biological Diversity." Even if our views could be distilled for such a meeting, the CBD makes no provision for regulations that would affect our import-export concerns. These redound to individual countries, which as we know are often ill-prepared or unprepared to issue required paperwork. This makes the corruption of the export process more likely. On a practical level many countries may come to realize that the more onerous and generalized precepts of CBD cannot be implemented. Anything that can be propagated and moved from place to place as propagules will always be difficult to control, and there is recognition of this fact by various agencies. There are signs things are changing for the better in some countries. After all, it looks like priorities are badly sorted when sounding the alarm over a few packets of seeds while fantastically diverse forests are set alight every day. Dylan Hannon On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Tom Mitchell wrote: > Collecting plant material in the wild and trading it internationally > is a vexed issue from both legal and ethical perspectives. I find it > helpful to separate the two perspectives - what ought we do and what > the law says we must do - when trying to figure out my own position. > A third perspective - the pragmatic question what happens in the real > world - further muddies the waters. > > Of course, I have a vested interest - I collect seeds in the wild and > would like to be able to exchange them with friends and sell them to > customers internationally, including in the USA, ideally without > breaking the law. This makes it terribly hard to remain objective. > There are good arguments on both sides of the opinion divide and one > must resist cherry-picking those that suit. > > Ethically, the only serious objections to unregulated wild collecting > that I have encountered are: (a) the danger of bringing about > extinction of wild populations through over-collecting; (b) the risk > of introducing invasive species and (c) the risk of inadvertently > introducing diseases. There isn't space to go into the reasons but, > personally, I reject as totally specious arguments that genetic > material 'belongs' to the temporary geopolitical entity in which it > happens to be located at the moment it is collected. > > These are all arguments for intelligent regulation, not arguments > against the trading of plants. The difficulty with regulation is that > the individuals appointed to do the regulating are usually inadequate > to the task. In many developing countries no authority exists that is > adequately resourced to regulate plant exports or, if it does, its > officers are typically corrupt. If we were to insist that only > exporters with a valid permit were allowed to export plants, what > we'd in fact end up with is exporters capable of paying the largest > bribes. > > At the import end, things are often no better. In Australia, for > example, it is legal to import seeds of Helleborus x hybridus but > illegal to import seeds of Helleborus orientalis. Go figure. The > point though, is that there ain't a customs officer on earth who > could tell the difference between the two. So, again, if we insist > that all plant material is inspected and 'passed', quantities of > plant material that isn't what it claims to be will enter the > importing countries. > > Ironically, those few people competent to regulate plant exports and > imports with respect to the identity and conservation status of the > plants in question are often the collectors themselves. > > Which brings me to the legal perspective. Laws governing > international trade are constructed by bureaucrats to be the least > bad compromise among the wishes of powerful vested interests in the > treating countries. One can feel pretty confident that the views of > PBS members were not high on the list of priorities of the > signatories to the Convention on Biological Diversity. > > My attitude to these laws, therefore, is that they should be treated > with a healthy degree of contempt. Anyone who finds this attitude > shocking might ask him or herself whether he has ever broken the > speed limit (illegally endangering life), taken a pinch of seed from > someone else's garden (theft), or failed to declare income on a tax > return (tax evasion). Of course, we should aspire to influence our > legislators to make better laws, but I'm not holding my breath. > > In the end, what happens in the real world is a messy compromise. > Most members of the PBS list want to grow plants that are native to > other plants of the world. Those that want to grow only native plants > should try living in a country that was under half a mile of ice a > few thousand years ago. > > Personally I advocate self-regulation. Gardeners, like hunters, make > good conservationists. We want the habitats where our plants > originated to be conserved. An anecdote illustrates my point. In May > this year, I collected a small piece of Actaea spicata rhizome from a > large colony growing by a roadside in Slovenia. I went back to the > site last week in the hope of collecting seed. The place is now a car > park. I was rather upset by this and not because I'd missed out on > the seed I'd hoped to collect. The only surviving plant of this > colony in the world is now in my garden, from whence, properly > labeled and vegetatively propagated, it could eventually be re- > introduced to the wild. > > The flora of the Balkans is threatened by post-war reconstruction and > by development as more countries accede to the European Union. These > developments are warmly welcomed by most local people. The flora is > not in the least threatened by my collecting activities, nor by the > few other enthusiasts who bumble around the region in search of > interesting plants. > > From dells@voicenet.com Sun Oct 12 14:25:35 2008 Message-Id: <20081012182534.A3D114C032@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 187 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:25:18 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 187" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Lee Poulsen: 1. Bulbs of Nothoscordum inodorum. Lee says that since this species can become a truly invasive menace in a temperate garden, he strongly recommends that only gardeners in cold climates where it cannot naturalize should consider planting this one outside. In spite of its name, it is said to be very fragrant. SEED: 2. Herbertia lahue amoena 3. Herbertia lahue 4. Trichopetalum plumosum (few) 5. Hesperantha latifolia (few) 6. Hesperantha pauciflora (few) 7. Hesperantha cuculata 8. Albuca angolensis 9. Bulbils of Lilium brownii (Dell's note: When I was researching this one, I discovered that it is used to treat "yin deficiency." So, if you are feeling a little too yang, this one is for you.) 10. "Bulbils" of Globba cathcartii (Zingiberaceae) Thank you, Lee !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From c-mueller@tamu.edu Sun Oct 12 19:36:29 2008 Message-Id: <48F243860200008A0000C7D5@ag.tamu.edu> From: "Cynthia Mueller" Subject: Milla magnifica Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:35:50 -0500 Diana: Just what did you do to urge it to bloom? I have Milla in the ground here in Central Texas: it usually has two very long leaves, and looks healthy enough, but no blooms. -Cynthia Mueller >>> "Telos Rare Bulbs" 10/12/08 11:26 AM >>> My Milla magnifica has bloomed at last. There is a picture on my blog: www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com. It is truly magnificent. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs www.telosrarebulbs.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From honeybunny442@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 19:53:36 2008 Message-Id: <832753.66547.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: Susan B Subject: Milla magnifica Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Lovely flower(s).  You have a wonderful blog, I always enjoy reading it. Susan --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Cynthia Mueller wrote: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Re: [pbs] Milla magnifica To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 7:35 PM Diana: Just what did you do to urge it to bloom? I have Milla in the ground here in Central Texas: it usually has two very long leaves, and looks healthy enough, but no blooms. -Cynthia Mueller >>> "Telos Rare Bulbs" 10/12/08 11:26 AM >>> My Milla magnifica has bloomed at last. There is a picture on my blog: www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com. It is truly magnificent. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs www.telosrarebulbs.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From othonna@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 20:11:50 2008 Message-Id: <8e8da5260810121711s62619f4dh97d6ce2e96acf7e5@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Milla magnifica Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:11:39 -0700 Diana-- Heavy feeding perhaps? Whatever it is, my plants are a shadow of yours this year, though they have grown and proliferated well. Thanks for posting photos that do this species justice. Dylan On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > Diana: Just what did you do to urge it to bloom? I have Milla in the > ground here in Central Texas: it usually has two very long leaves, and looks > healthy enough, but no blooms. -Cynthia Mueller > > >>> "Telos Rare Bulbs" 10/12/08 11:26 AM > >>> > My Milla magnifica has bloomed at last. There is a picture on my blog: > www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com. It is truly magnificent. > > Diana > Telos Rare Bulbs > www.telosrarebulbs.com > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From arnold@nj.rr.com Sun Oct 12 20:27:14 2008 Message-Id: <48F295C4.8090009@nj.rr.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg Subject: Pacific BX 187 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:26:44 -0400 Lee: Are these stem bulbils? 9. Bulbils of Lilium brownii Arnold From kyle.b1@xtra.co.nz Mon Oct 13 00:03:56 2008 Message-Id: From: Kiyel Subject: Pollinating Rodohypoxis Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:03:49 +1300 Hi all. Is there anyone that has had any experience with Pollinating and hybridizing Rhodohypoxis. Mine are all in flower at the moment, and just thought I would give them a go. I have two Hypoxis that I would try to use as well. Kiyel Boland In Sunny Napier. http://public.fotki.com/savagegardenz From gentian21@comcast.net Mon Oct 13 00:49:08 2008 Message-Id: <001001c92cef$0c495c30$6601a8c0@blackdell> From: "gentian21" Subject: Lycoris Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:49:15 -0500 My first Lycoris radiata came up Thursday. Frank Cooper central Illinois From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Mon Oct 13 09:27:26 2008 Message-Id: <001201c92d37$deb5d700$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Scilla lingulata ciliolata Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:30:32 -0400 Scilla lingulata ciliolata is blooming now here in zone 7 Maryland. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From DavBouch5@aol.com Mon Oct 13 09:31:04 2008 Message-Id: From: DavBouch5@aol.com Subject: Hippeastrum collectors Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:30:51 EDT The species you mention are certainly rare and desirable. Almost all Hippeastrum species are hard (for me at least!) to locate. If they are not on Mauro Peixoto's list of seeds, it is a question of getting lucky enough to find a source for each one, one at a time. Aloha! David Boucher ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Mon Oct 13 11:22:16 2008 Message-Id: <005409B25DFE4A79A83257FD2614D0A1@DJ9SK221> From: "Diana Chapman" Subject: Milla magnifica Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:20:56 -0700 Hi Dylan: I'd like to say it's my expert growing, but I don't know why some of the Mexican bulbs did so well this year. We had a cooler than average summer, but they are in greenhouses where it gets pretty warm. My Behria tenuiflora (I think they are now included in Bessera?) also did well for the very first time ever, and I have had them for years. I have to assume it's something to do with weather conditions. In thinking about the greenhouse conditions, I have the greenhouses swathed in Aluminet this year, plus it was cooler, so there weren't the extreme diurnal temperature swings that have existed in previous years, although it's still a pretty radical swing, from about 50F at night to around 90F in the daytime. I do feed my bulbs with a water soluble fertilizer, and I treat with fungicides about twice a year, although I haven't found these bulbs to be prone to fungal diseases. How often do I feed? Whenever I have the time! I would like to feed more, at least once a month, but I don't. Probably about two to three times during their growth cycle. My winter growing bulbs get fed more. The more I think about it, the more I think it is temperature. I am actually amazed that bulbs will grow for us in black plastic pots, where soil temperatures must make very radical swings compared to what they would experience in the ground. Not to mention huge swings in moisture from soaking when watered to almost dry (although I think bulbs are OK with that). After all, that's the logic behind plunge beds, to keep the temperature of the pot stable, with the added benefit of keeping moisture levels more even. And to answer Cynthia question -- again, I am not sure, but Milla takes a while to mature, so your bulbs may not be mature enough yet. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs www.telosrarebulbs.com > Diana-- Heavy feeding perhaps? Whatever it is, my plants are a shadow of > yours this year, though they have grown and proliferated well. Thanks for > posting photos that do this species justice. > Dylan > From perdy@mts.net Mon Oct 13 15:58:51 2008 Message-Id: <0B8890A40CBE4443BABDEA825036B73D@DAndersonPC> From: "D Anderson" Subject: Tropaeolum pentaphyllum Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:58:45 -0500 Hi, Everyone: Here is a link to my tubers. http://www.flickr.com/photos/83624053@N00/2938399807/ These were grown from seeds two years ago and no blooms. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Donna in Winnipeg, Manitoba From aroidgrower@verizon.net Mon Oct 13 20:11:55 2008 Message-Id: <1A40F6FD-CF52-4AA0-93B3-32A7EF568F26@verizon.net> From: John Ludwig Subject: Narcissus broussonetii Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:11:54 -0400 I am new to this Species and am expecting a shipment from a friend soon. Can anyone share cultural information. I live in US Zone 6B so I think that growing these outdoors is not a possibility for me. What kind of light, soil, watering.... do they need during indoor growth? Thanks to all for any advice you can provide. From osmani_baullosa@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 08:33:22 2008 Message-Id: <520684.97126.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Osmani Baullosa Subject: My plants in Youtube Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Hello, I just wanted to invite you to watch some of my plants in Youtube:   Leucocoryne vittata: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=Il5UbdZYaJE    Calydorea xiphioides: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=MWg36uqD0Uc    Zephyra elegans: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8qWKMYgHU    Leucocoryne narcissoides: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=SESGS35wuxY   Phycella australis: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=GWutGN6ZkBo    Leucocoryne sp.: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=PJrkTQXvHzs     Leucocoryne ixioides http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=BOds4H7J7gg    Leucocoryne purpurea and Leucocoryne coquimbensis http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=KHoNeVadmzI    Geissorhiza radians http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=rbK0dAGuKaI    Rhodophiala pratensis: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=0X8hcHGewts  Leucocoryne sp. http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=WVHNExUmSYc&feature=related     Rhodophiala laeta http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=wja8M6-c2h0    Trichopetalum plumosum: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=PZa0jjfLKXY   Alstroemeria pelegrina: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=gBsyZL9QnMw   Conanthera trimaculata: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=llh4NuXk4AI    Kind Regards   From osmani_baullosa@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 08:43:52 2008 Message-Id: <8738.6868.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Osmani Baullosa Subject: My plants in Youtube Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:43:42 -0700 (PDT) If some of the URL don´t work, you can copy-paste them in the barr.   Please note, once you are in Youtube, you shoud choose Watch in High Quality. The button is below the little Youtube screen...   Regards   --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Osmani Baullosa wrote: From: Osmani Baullosa Subject: [pbs] My plants in Youtube To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 5:33 AM Hello, I just wanted to invite you to watch some of my plants in Youtube:   Leucocoryne vittata: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=Il5UbdZYaJE    Calydorea xiphioides: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=MWg36uqD0Uc    Zephyra elegans: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8qWKMYgHU    Leucocoryne narcissoides: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=SESGS35wuxY   Phycella australis: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=GWutGN6ZkBo    Leucocoryne sp.: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=PJrkTQXvHzs     Leucocoryne ixioides http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=BOds4H7J7gg    Leucocoryne purpurea and Leucocoryne coquimbensis http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=KHoNeVadmzI    Geissorhiza radians http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=rbK0dAGuKaI    Rhodophiala pratensis: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=0X8hcHGewts  Leucocoryne sp. http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=WVHNExUmSYc&feature=related     Rhodophiala laeta http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=wja8M6-c2h0    Trichopetalum plumosum: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=PZa0jjfLKXY   Alstroemeria pelegrina: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=gBsyZL9QnMw   Conanthera trimaculata: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=llh4NuXk4AI    Kind Regards   _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue Oct 14 19:57:32 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Fall Jewels Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:19:43 -0500 Dear Friends, Any bloom this time of year in my climate is treasured. Highest on the list are the fall crocus C. banaticus and C. speciosum. Both easy and vigorous. A few lingering Cyclamen and Colchicum add diversity, but the garden is slowing down. Galanthus reginae olgae is just starting to bloom, but is very subdued. Saffron (Crocus sativus) have shown their presence, but no flower buds have opened yet Time to clean up pots, find homes for extras and plant the last new bulbs. No frost yet here, but the future is known. Enjoying the most of what's still putting on a show. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From PJOSPUX@aol.com Wed Oct 15 06:41:11 2008 Message-Id: From: PJOSPUX@aol.com Subject: Pacific BX 186 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:41:06 EDT Hi Dell, Thank you for sending all my order; I am very grateful. I have paid £12 via Paypal, but forgot to identify it. The best I can do is the actual time that it was sent: Date: 15 Oct. 2008 Time: 03:36:09 PDT Many thanks, Paul O-S in UK From meenglis@meenglis.cts.com Wed Oct 15 17:13:08 2008 Message-Id: <48F65CD4.1010504@meenglis.cts.com> From: Marguerite English Subject: article for "The Bulb Garden" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:12:52 -0700 At one time you wrote about a possible article focusing on a special garden site in your area. I have about two pages left to fill in the winter issue, and would love to get something from you. The deadline would be Nov. 30 or sooner. Please let me know if I can expect something from you. Marguerite From claudesweet@cox.net Wed Oct 15 17:16:14 2008 Message-Id: <48F65D97.70707@cox.net> From: Claude Sweet Subject: article for "The Bulb Garden" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:16:07 -0700 Marguerite, I'll give it a try. Claude Sweet Marguerite English wrote: >At one time you wrote about a possible article focusing on a special >garden site in your area. I have about two pages left to fill in the >winter issue, and would love to get something from you. The deadline >would be Nov. 30 or sooner. Please let me know if I can expect something >from you. Marguerite >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From meenglis@meenglis.cts.com Wed Oct 15 17:23:55 2008 Message-Id: <48F65F6D.3080001@meenglis.cts.com> From: Marguerite English Subject: article for "The Bulb Garden" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:23:57 -0700 Oops. So sorry everyone. I didn't realize I was replying to the entire forum. But articles are definitely still welcome for the next issue! Marguerite From aroidgrower@verizon.net Wed Oct 15 19:35:57 2008 Message-Id: <8EA77C06-653D-4614-9C1D-AD6CE33438E1@verizon.net> From: John Ludwig Subject: Narcissus broussonetii Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:35:57 -0400 My original post was mixed in with another, so I don't think many people had a chance to view it. This is a repost. I am new to this Species and am expecting a shipment from a friend soon. Can anyone share cultural information. I live in US Zone 6B so I think that growing these outdoors is not a possibility for me. What kind of light, soil, watering.... do they need. Thanks to all for any advice you can provide. From Theladygardens@aol.com Wed Oct 15 21:37:21 2008 Message-Id: From: Theladygardens@aol.com Subject: article for "The Bulb Garden" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:37:15 EDT oops, so sorry I forgot, got hung up with some minor but very time consuming medical irritations. The agony of aging I suppose. I will try to crank it out over the next week and if I don't think I can, I will let you know. Carolyn **************BUY Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on DVD today! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209326865x1200539441/aol?redir=http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html) From Theladygardens@aol.com Wed Oct 15 21:48:02 2008 Message-Id: From: Theladygardens@aol.com Subject: article for "The Bulb Garden" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:47:58 EDT oops, now my turn to be embarrassed and say sorry **************BUY Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on DVD today! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209326865x1200539441/aol?redir=http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html) From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Thu Oct 16 11:00:40 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:01:30 -0500 Dear Friends, Gardeners on both coasts may not be aware of our mid-western 'Hedge Apples' (Maclura pomifera). Today's local paper, the Kansas City Star, had a lovely picture of a lawn littered with green bowling ball size fruit. This tree is native to a fairly small area in the center of the US, but uncommon more widely. Also known as Osage Orange and Bois D'arc. This is a large tree, normally pretty anonymous to most people. This time of year the large chartreuse green soft-ball size fruits are highly visible on the trees (to 50 ft and more tall) and the fallen fruits litter the ground. They are very attractive; see: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Osage_orange_1.jpg/800px-Osage_orange_1.jpg but essentially useless. These fruit litter sidewalks and road sides. They are very dense, solid and difficult to cut. They ooze a sticky latex like sap and can literally cause damage to vehicles parked under them. The wood is strong, dense and very useful particularly for fence posts and at one time bows (thus the Bois d'arc name) . The trees are densely branched and bear many evil sharp thorns, but are impervious to most insects and disease. Thus modern cultivars have been developed as street trees from thornless, fruitless strains. The fruits are abundant now and very beautiful from afar. You just don't want to get too close or handle them much. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osage-orange Just FYI. Best Jim W. (We have a first un - forecast light frost last night. Enough procrastinating !) -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From carlobal@netzero.net Thu Oct 16 11:19:42 2008 Message-Id: <20081016.111911.28145.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> From: "carlobal@netzero.net" Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:19:11 GMT Jim, et al... My guess is that you wouldn't want to stand under the tree either... Carlo A. Balistrieri The Gardens at Turtle Point Tuxedo Park, NY 10987 Zone 6 (845.351.2849) Visit: www.botanicalgardening.com and its BGBlog From Pelarg@aol.com Thu Oct 16 12:17:04 2008 Message-Id: From: Pelarg@aol.com Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:16:48 EDT I do a lab with my high school bio students where they count the seeds in osage oranges and estimate seed production of trees. It is an interesting tree, one of a few native species (which would include honey locust and Kentucky Coffee tree) that apparently were dispersed by species of "megafauna" such as ground sloths or prehistoric horses (not the introduced ones we now have) and had thorns for probable defense against large herbivores. The students find the fruits fascinating, but they are difficult to work with, gloves are best as the latex is hard to remove and itchy to some. It also destroyed our dissection scalpels, they latex won't wash off with soap and water, one needs nasty stuff like acetone to get it off the blades, but then the plastic handles are weakened. So this year I am going to use a large knife to quarter the fruits, and plastic disposable knives for the students to pick out the seeds. I just gathered fruits 2 days ago from under a tree alongside the Bronx River Parkway in White Plains for the lab tomorrow, but I know of another couple of trees near the Bronx River Pkwy entrance from Allerton Ave in the Bronx that also produce fruit. I've always thought it odd that the osage orange looks and smells like citrus, and has leaves that resemble many citrus trees, with spiny branches, but is in the mulberry family. Coincidence perhaps? Ernie DeMarie z6/7 Tuckahoe NY Where Gloxinia nematanthoides "Evita" is blooming up a storm along the wall at my school garden, where its rhizomes overwintered against the building wall. More people should grow it, it is stunning in the ground or in a pot. In a message dated 10/16/2008 11:01:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jwaddick@kc.rr.com writes: Dear Friends, Gardeners on both coasts may not be aware of our mid-western 'Hedge Apples' (Maclura pomifera). Today's local paper, the Kansas City Star, had a lovely picture of a lawn littered with green bowling ball size fruit. This tree is native to a fairly small area in the center of the US, but uncommon more widely. Also known as Osage Orange and Bois D'arc. This is a large tree, normally pretty anonymous to most people. This time of year the large chartreuse green soft-ball size fruits are highly visible on the trees (to 50 ft and more tall) and the fallen fruits litter the ground. They are very attractive; see: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Osage_orange_1.jpg/80 0px-Osage_orange_1.jpg but essentially useless. These fruit litter sidewalks and road sides. They are very dense, solid and difficult to cut. They ooze a sticky latex like sap and can literally cause damage to vehicles parked under them. The wood is strong, dense and very useful particularly for fence posts and at one time bows (thus the Bois d'arc name) . The trees are densely branched and bear many evil sharp thorns, but are impervious to most insects and disease. Thus modern cultivars have been developed as street trees from thornless, fruitless strains. The fruits are abundant now and very beautiful from afar. You just don't want to get too close or handle them much. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osage-orange Just FYI. Best Jim W. (We have a first un - forecast light frost last night. Enough procrastinating !) -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From arnold@nj.rr.com Thu Oct 16 12:51:46 2008 Message-Id: <48F77102.1020308@nj.rr.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:51:14 -0400 Ernie: I wonder where the name Osage Orange came from. I think the "Osage" would be from the Native America tribe of the same name and possibly the 'Orange" from the similarity to leaves of the Citrus family. Arnold (Just over the GW Bridge in NJ from you) From toadlily@olywa.net Thu Oct 16 12:54:27 2008 Message-Id: <48F771C9.10002@olywa.net> From: Laura & Dave Subject: Labeling snafu! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:54:33 -0700 Hi all I was wondering if someone could help me straighten out a little problem I have with the species names of some Haemanthus seedlings growing from BX-173. I received seeds of the three species: 14 >-- Haemanthus amarylloides ssp polyanthus 15 >-- Haemanthus barkerae 16 >-- Haemanthus coccineus but was late for leaving for vacation when I sowed them. The old adage, that "I'll remember what is in each pot, and label them when I get back.", was employed, since the whole family was scowling at me impatiently. Well, we all know how well that works. H. amarylloides I did manage to get marked so that I remembered, but not so the other two. One of the species ( H. barkerae or H. coccineus ) has very pronounced spotting on the lower portion of the cotyledon, the other none. So, if anyone also growing either of these plants could let me know the status of the spotting, I'd be really grateful. Thanks Dave Brastow - Tumwater, Washington USA - 7A P.S. I've since discovered the Marks All pen from Sharpie. This writes in opaque white, which shows up on black / dark green pots, and is quite durable. At least now I can scribble a number on a pot if I get hurried. From xerantheum@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 13:28:54 2008 Message-Id: From: "Nhu Nguyen" Subject: Labeling snafu! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:28:52 -0700 Dave, There is a photo of a *H. coccineus* seedling on the wiki by Angelo Porcelli. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/HaemanthusSpeciesOne#coccineus I have also just posted a photo of my *H. barkerae* seedlings. It did not come from the same batch as your seeds but it's better than nothing. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/HaemanthusSpeciesOne#barkerae The difference I see is that *H. coccineus* is pubescent and *H. barkerae*is not. Also *H. coccineus* has more spotting. Hope that helps. Nhu On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Laura & Dave wrote: > Hi all > I was wondering if someone could help me straighten out a little > problem I have with the species names of some Haemanthus seedlings > growing from BX-173. I received seeds of the three species: > > 14 >-- Haemanthus amarylloides ssp polyanthus > 15 >-- Haemanthus barkerae > 16 >-- Haemanthus coccineus > > but was late for leaving for vacation when I sowed them. The old adage, > that "I'll remember what is in each pot, and label them when I get > back.", was employed, since the whole family was scowling at me > impatiently. Well, we all know how well that works. H. amarylloides I > did manage to get marked so that I remembered, but not so the other > two. One of the species ( H. barkerae or H. coccineus ) has very > pronounced spotting on the lower portion of the cotyledon, the other > none. So, if anyone also growing either of these plants could let me > know the status of the spotting, I'd be really grateful. > > Thanks > Dave Brastow - Tumwater, Washington USA - 7A > > P.S. I've since discovered the Marks All pen from Sharpie. This writes > in opaque white, which shows up on black / dark green pots, and is quite > durable. At least now I can scribble a number on a pot if I get hurried. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ From othonna@gmail.com Thu Oct 16 13:29:54 2008 Message-Id: <8e8da5260810161029v1c4c613ag797c46aec17ce6cb@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Labeling snafu! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:29:51 -0700 Dave, While H. coccineus is quite variable, yours will probably have comparatively broader leaves vs. your H. barkerae. Under moderately bright light conditions H. barkerae in my experience tends to have upright (erect) and curved leaves with undulate, narrow red margins. Leaf spotting is not prominent at all in H. bakerae I've grown. Don't rely too much on pubescence in seedling leaves, though H. coccineus on average will have hairier seedling leaves than the ultimately glabrous (hairless) H. barkerae. Haemanthus barkerae has been a great little plant for me. It stays small (6-8 plants grow comfortably though cramped in a 6" pot), flowers reliably, a nice all-pink flower head (flowers and bracts) and seems to be one of the quicker species to reach flowering from seed, perhaps 5-6 years. H. coccineus is worth obtaining from different localities since it is so variable. A note on labeling: may I encourage you to avoid any marking of pots and stick with stake labels. This makes access to information and re-using pots much easier. The best are vinyl-based and even the "cheapie" roll type labels for printers last a long time. Use a no. 2 pencil-- it will outlast any ink-- and insert the tag as deeply as possible but still just visible-- you don't need to see the label to grow the plant. Horticultural Printers offers a large selection of labels suitable for growers as well as nurserymen. Dylan Hannon Dylan Hannon Rare Bulbs On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Laura & Dave wrote: > Hi all > I was wondering if someone could help me straighten out a little > problem I have with the species names of some Haemanthus seedlings > growing from BX-173. I received seeds of the three species: > > 14 >-- Haemanthus amarylloides ssp polyanthus > 15 >-- Haemanthus barkerae > 16 >-- Haemanthus coccineus > > but was late for leaving for vacation when I sowed them. The old adage, > that "I'll remember what is in each pot, and label them when I get > back.", was employed, since the whole family was scowling at me > impatiently. Well, we all know how well that works. H. amarylloides I > did manage to get marked so that I remembered, but not so the other > two. One of the species ( H. barkerae or H. coccineus ) has very > pronounced spotting on the lower portion of the cotyledon, the other > none. So, if anyone also growing either of these plants could let me > know the status of the spotting, I'd be really grateful. > > Thanks > Dave Brastow - Tumwater, Washington USA - 7A > > P.S. I've since discovered the Marks All pen from Sharpie. This writes > in opaque white, which shows up on black / dark green pots, and is quite > durable. At least now I can scribble a number on a pot if I get hurried. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From dells@voicenet.com Thu Oct 16 16:20:36 2008 Message-Id: <20081016202036.7444B4C02C@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Labeling snafu! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:20:21 -0400 Dear Dave, My seedlings that I think are from the same batch differ this way: H. coccineus: seed leaves distinctly spotted red on the lower part of the leaf, clearly pubescent, with visible longitudinal veining. H. barkerae: seed leaves smaller and with much less or none of the abovementioned characteristics Dell From totototo@telus.net Thu Oct 16 17:08:17 2008 Message-Id: <19740415012840.126D39103C16CA35@priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Tropaeolum pentaphyllum Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:07:01 -0700 On 13 Oct 08, at 14:58, D Anderson wrote: > These were grown from seeds two years ago and no blooms. What am I doing > wrong? Some of the tuberous tropaeolums have a reputation for being erratic bloomers, so I hope you're not surprised. It may be that the tubers simply aren't old enough to flower; Tulipa sprengeri, for example, takes five years or more from seed to flower even under good conditions. No amount of dancing around in a grass skirt shaking a rattle while wearing your witchdoctor's mask is going to speed it up. Another possibility is the soil temperature it's been exposed to. If these tubers were potted, they almost certainly experienced swings in soil temperature they wouldn't have if planted out. Or maybe they simply got too warm at some point. Or never got quite warm enough. or maybe they got a tad too cold during the winter. Being in Winnipeg, planting out is infeasible. Even plunging a pot in the ground can lead to the tubers escaping through the drain holes and I'm sure they won't survive a Winnipeg winter. A possible clue: we have one grower here with a true green thumb and she has shown pots of various tuberous tropaeolums several times in full flower. I believe she keeps them in a small greenhouse. Additional clue: scanning the first page of google results, one gets the impression that the tuberous tropaeolums are generally sensitive to overheating. Perhaps the "right" recipe is to keep the soil on the cool side during the summer. This can be difficult with pot culture: the sun on the wide of a pot can send the temperature inside soaring. And a pot I have of Tropaeolum tuberosum 'Ken Aslet' (supposedly) withered away during the heat of August even though it was placed in shade with only reflected light on the pot. You must be doing something right since they're at least coming up in the spring instead of sulking all summer. This suggests to me that the way you handle them in the winter is okay, but the summertime treatment needs to be changed. Good luck! -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri Oct 17 00:28:54 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apple name ? Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:30:24 -0500 >I wonder where the name Osage Orange came from. I think the "Osage" >would be from the Native America tribe of the same name and possibly the >'Orange" from the similarity to leaves of the Citrus family. Dear Arnold, I think its original distribution was sort of similar to that of the Osage Indian nation. the fruit sort of looks like a lumpy orange or grapefruit -even more like an Ugli Fruit and it smells faintly (!) citrusy. The foliage is more mulberry looking. Best Jim -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From toadlily@olywa.net Fri Oct 17 02:02:11 2008 Message-Id: <48F82A6B.2040902@olywa.net> From: Laura & Dave Subject: Labeling snafu resolved ... Thanks! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:02:19 -0700 Thank you to all who responded. As is usual with this group, there was a lot of great "extra" information provided. It's what makes it fun!! Dave From jonathanhutchinson@rhs.org.uk Fri Oct 17 05:55:56 2008 Message-Id: <67FCC990C7597E46BEB7E9818709230247A624@wismail.rhs.net> From: Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apple name ? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:03:18 +0100 Maclura pomifera is its botanical name and is a member of the Moraceae -Mulberry family -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: 17 October 2008 05:30 To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Way off topic - Hedge apple name ? >I wonder where the name Osage Orange came from. I think the "Osage" >would be from the Native America tribe of the same name and possibly the >'Orange" from the similarity to leaves of the Citrus family. Dear Arnold, I think its original distribution was sort of similar to that of the Osage Indian nation. the fruit sort of looks like a lumpy orange or grapefruit -even more like an Ugli Fruit and it smells faintly (!) citrusy. The foliage is more mulberry looking. Best Jim -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From butterflyamaryllis@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 07:34:17 2008 Message-Id: <8265.60507.qm@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: James Frelichowski Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apple name ? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:34:15 -0700 (PDT) They are cool trees.  When I was at Illinois State there was a giant tree just south of campus.  In my home town there was a Greek couple that would cross the street to an abandoned farm to pick the fruits every fall. Does anyone know if they grow in Texas (College Station area)?   --- On Fri, 10/17/08, jonathanhutchinson@rhs.org.uk wrote: From: jonathanhutchinson@rhs.org.uk Subject: Re: [pbs] Way off topic - Hedge apple name ? To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 2:03 AM Maclura pomifera is its botanical name and is a member of the Moraceae -Mulberry family -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: 17 October 2008 05:30 To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Way off topic - Hedge apple name ? >I wonder where the name Osage Orange came from. I think the "Osage" >would be from the Native America tribe of the same name and possibly the >'Orange" from the similarity to leaves of the Citrus family. Dear Arnold, I think its original distribution was sort of similar to that of the Osage Indian nation. the fruit sort of looks like a lumpy orange or grapefruit -even more like an Ugli Fruit and it smells faintly (!) citrusy. The foliage is more mulberry looking. Best Jim -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From donjournet@netspace.net.au Fri Oct 17 09:02:53 2008 Message-Id: <48F88CE8.8020804@netspace.net.au> From: Don Journet Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:02:32 +1100 Dear Bulb Folk, It is a little strange for me that someone should suddenly pick up on and mention the Osage Orange tree Maclura pomifera as we have three stands of this species here in Bacchus Marsh, Victoria, Australia. They have grown to quite a size on fertile river flats in the township and must have been planted many years ago. They certainly have masses of fruit in the autumn (fall) that falls to litter the ground a create a talking point amongst locals and visitors alike. I can never resist collecting unusual fruit and have grown a number of plants from seed collected. Just thought I would add a little more off topic info as the subject had cropped up. Regards Don Journet James Waddick wrote: > Dear Friends, > Gardeners on both coasts may not be aware of our mid-western > 'Hedge Apples' (Maclura pomifera). > > Today's local paper, the Kansas City Star, had a lovely > picture of a lawn littered with green bowling ball size fruit. This > tree is native to a fairly small area in the center of the US, but > uncommon more widely. Also known as Osage Orange and Bois D'arc. This > is a large tree, normally pretty anonymous to most people. This time > of year the large chartreuse green soft-ball size fruits are highly > visible on the trees (to 50 ft and more tall) and the fallen fruits > litter the ground. > They are very attractive; see: > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Osage_orange_1.jpg/800px-Osage_orange_1.jpg > > but essentially useless. These fruit litter sidewalks and > road sides. They are very dense, solid and difficult to cut. They > ooze a sticky latex like sap and can literally cause damage to > vehicles parked under them. > > The wood is strong, dense and very useful particularly for > fence posts and at one time bows (thus the Bois d'arc name) . The > trees are densely branched and bear many evil sharp thorns, but are > impervious to most insects and disease. Thus modern cultivars have > been developed as street trees from thornless, fruitless strains. > > The fruits are abundant now and very beautiful from afar. You > just don't want to get too close or handle them much. > > More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osage-orange > > Just FYI. Best Jim W. > > (We have a first un - forecast light frost last night. Enough > procrastinating !) > From tjyates@hughes.net Fri Oct 17 09:49:05 2008 Message-Id: <1526249602.3444241224251320472.JavaMail.mail@webmail05> From: tjyates@hughes.net Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:48:40 +0000 (GMT) From markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 09:53:12 2008 Message-Id: <24499086.1224251592126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Mark Mazer Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:53:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) gloves are >best as the latex is hard to remove and itchy to some. It also destroyed our >dissection scalpels, they latex won't wash off with soap and water, one needs >nasty stuff like acetone to get it off the blades, but then the plastic >handles are weakened. So this year I am going to use a large knife to quarter the >fruits, and plastic disposable knives for the students to pick out the seeds. > Ernie: Try mineral oil (or peanut butter, but that might prove problematic in your school setting) to remove the sticky substance from the scalpels. Old fashioned "orange sticks", used to manipulate cuticles during a manicure, were made from osage orange wood. Cheers, Mark Mazer Hertfor4d, North Carolina, USA From PJOSPUX@aol.com Fri Oct 17 10:31:12 2008 Message-Id: From: PJOSPUX@aol.com Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:31:01 EDT But what did the Greek couple do with their truck load of fruit? Just eternally curious about what assorted people get up to. Paul From butterflyamaryllis@yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 11:31:18 2008 Message-Id: <219336.20714.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: James Frelichowski Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Hello Paul:   I don't know what recipes they used.  I'll have to ask my parents next time I see them.  It was just interesting to see them do the ritual every fall.   James Frelichowski --- On Fri, 10/17/08, PJOSPUX@aol.com wrote: From: PJOSPUX@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 7:31 AM But what did the Greek couple do with their truck load of fruit? Just eternally curious about what assorted people get up to. Paul _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gentian21@comcast.net Fri Oct 17 12:32:04 2008 Message-Id: <002801c93075$e83eb3a0$6601a8c0@blackdell> From: "gentian21" Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:32:10 -0500 They are used to repel rodents from sheds etc. Frank Cooper central Illinois zone 5b ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Frelichowski" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Hello Paul: I don't know what recipes they used. I'll have to ask my parents next time I see them. It was just interesting to see them do the ritual every fall. James Frelichowski --- On Fri, 10/17/08, PJOSPUX@aol.com wrote: From: PJOSPUX@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 7:31 AM But what did the Greek couple do with their truck load of fruit? Just eternally curious about what assorted people get up to. Paul _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From samarak@gizmoworks.com Fri Oct 17 13:10:19 2008 Message-Id: From: Steve Marak Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:10:17 -0500 (CDT) I'll add to the off topicality, as I like this odd member of the mulberry family - making me a minority here in NW Arkansas, especially among the farming community. Native here, but widely distributed - USDA shows it in all but a handful of the "lower 48" US states - it was once intentionally planted, but is now considered by most a weed tree. Older trees are recognizable by their form as far as you can see them. My grandfather, a blacksmith, told me that the wood - "tough as hickory, strong as oak" - was preferred for wagon wheels and any other application requiring great strength with resistance to flexing. The freshly cut wood is quite yellow (as with mulberries I've seen) but ages to a yellow-brown. I have read many times that the fruits, sliced, may be used to deter both rodents and insects. I've tried slicing them in several ways, and for me the safest is either an electric carving knife or saw whose blade can be discarded afterward. Since I've always wound up discarding the slices soon afterwards, too, I have no idea if it actually works. Steve On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, James Waddick wrote: > Dear Friends, > Gardeners on both coasts may not be aware of our mid-western > 'Hedge Apples' (Maclura pomifera). > > but essentially useless. These fruit litter sidewalks and > road sides. They are very dense, solid and difficult to cut. They > ooze a sticky latex like sap and can literally cause damage to > vehicles parked under them. ... > The wood is strong, dense and very useful particularly for > fence posts and at one time bows (thus the Bois d'arc name) . The > trees are densely branched and bear many evil sharp thorns, but are > impervious to most insects and disease. Thus modern cultivars have > been developed as street trees from thornless, fruitless strains. -- Steve Marak -- samarak@gizmoworks.com From johannes-ulrich-urban@T-Online.de Fri Oct 17 19:19:27 2008 Message-Id: <1Kqyb8-0kRL6m0@fwd05.aul.t-online.de> From: "Uli Urban" Subject: Tropaeolum pentaphyllum Date: 17 Oct 2008 23:18 GMT Dear All, Tropaeolum pentaphyllum (ssp pentaphyllum) is a vigorous winter growing tuberous species, even so vigorous that it can become a weed in a greenhouse because it will entwine in all neighbouring plants. Its flowers are rather insignificant: green with reddish-brown dots and a short spur. It has a fairly long growing period for a tuberous tropaeolum but will go dormant with warm weather in summer. I do not know how hardy to frost it is, I have never tested with my plants but I think it is not very hardy and is not suitable for outdoor cultivation in winter cold climates below freezing. This is one of the easiest species Tropaeolums to grow and I found them not fussy in their requirements. During dormancy I keep all tuberous Troaeolums in their pots (I grow all of them in plastic pots) warm and dry but not totally baking dry like for example a tulip or Oxalis but in a shaded spot of the greenhouse with some water from time to time. Some Tropaeolums have the nasty habit of not sprouting at all for one or even more seasons. I just discovered a shoot on a T. brachyceras that had not shown any signs of life for several years! Nobody seems to know why this happens. Seedlings may at first have a different growing pattern depending on when the seed was sown but getting older they will take on the original winter growth rhythm. Many bulb seedlings stay evergreen in their first or second "dormancy period" which does not mean they really changed. Myself I stopped growing this plant because it was too vigorous in my greenhouse which in winter is full of tender plants brought in from the garden where they spent the summer. For a good display of very charming flowers I recommend T. tricolorum. It is dainty, not over-vigorous and sprouts reliably every year to flower in late winter, dormant in summer. There is a strictly summer growing Tropaeolum pentaphyllum ssp megalopetalum which I have been growing for some years. it has two bright red "ears" like Mickey Mouse and thus becomes quite interesting, still very vigorous and needs a lot of space to scramble. Germination from its blue seeds is quite erratic, there is some unripe seed..... hopefully I will be able to distribute it when ripe before it freezes., This plant does not flower the first year from seed but will form a tuber which will become quite substantial the following years and then is a reliable plant. Greetings from Germany...... getting cold now. Uli From Pelarg@aol.com Sat Oct 18 08:46:09 2008 Message-Id: From: Pelarg@aol.com Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:45:44 EDT Hi Mark, Thanks, will try it on the big metal knife used to section the fruits, but using disposable gloves and plastic implements worked really well, 2 classes came up with an average seed count in the high 300's per fruit. I also had them put newspaper on the desks to keep the latex off the desks. It works well as a lab, the students get really into it, b/c the fruits are so weird and the counting takes some time, giving the students time to ask a lot of questions. They also have to get the "technique" of extracting the seeds, which requires breaking up the sections and squeezing the seeds out. I then have them do calculations of fruit and seed set per tree, per acre, etc, and then research on the net the extinct megafauna that apparently dispersed the fruit. I tell them that they are probably the only students doing a lab on this tree in the whole country. Ernie In a message dated 10/17/2008 9:53:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net writes: gloves are >best as the latex is hard to remove and itchy to some. It also destroyed our >dissection scalpels, they latex won't wash off with soap and water, one needs >nasty stuff like acetone to get it off the blades, but then the plastic >handles are weakened. So this year I am going to use a large knife to quarter the >fruits, and plastic disposable knives for the students to pick out the seeds. > Ernie: Try mineral oil (or peanut butter, but that might prove problematic in your school setting) to remove the sticky substance from the scalpels. Old fashioned "orange sticks", used to manipulate cuticles during a manicure, were made from osage orange wood. Cheers, Mark Mazer Hertfor4d, North Carolina, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sat Oct 18 14:01:47 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:03:23 -0500 Dear Dell et al, I know we have gotten very expansive in our inclusion of 'bulbous' topics and plant materials included in the BX, but I wonder if this is going too far. I am ready to donate a dozen or more small plants of Euphorbis decaryi 'Nova' https://highlandsucculents.safeserver.com/species/decaryi%20nova.htm This is tropical succulent from Madagascar that only grows a few inches tall with a crown of wrinkled succulent foliage. I grow this in a shallow, but wide pot and in a short time it fills the pot. This species is dioecious, the sexes are in separate plants and I can't recall, but this either a male or female (that's a joke, guys) . Its small pendant flowers are insignificant. So why even think to donate to the PBS BX? Although the plant is only a few inches tall, it makes fairly large white underground storage roots. These can wander up to 4 or 5 inches and some will, form new plants on the end (rhizomes?), but others seem destined simply for storage. So they are geophytes or geophytic. But is there an interest in a house plant, succulent? Dell, you get the biggest vote, but appreciate interest in others. If there's interest, I'll send the Dell next week. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From perdy@mts.net Sat Oct 18 15:08:15 2008 Message-Id: From: "D Anderson" Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:08:09 -0500 I would be interested but I'm always interested in plants. :) Donna in Winnipeg, Manitoba ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Waddick" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? > Dear Dell et al, > I know we have gotten very expansive in our inclusion of > 'bulbous' topics and plant materials included in the BX, but I wonder > if this is going too far. > > I am ready to donate a dozen or more small plants of > Euphorbis decaryi 'Nova' > > > https://highlandsucculents.safeserver.com/species/decaryi%20nova.htm > > This is tropical succulent from Madagascar that only grows a > few inches tall with a crown of wrinkled succulent foliage. I > grow this in a shallow, but wide pot and in a short time it fills the > pot. This species is dioecious, the sexes are in separate plants and > I can't recall, but this either a male or female (that's a joke, > guys) . Its small pendant flowers are insignificant. > So why even think to donate to the PBS BX? > > Although the plant is only a few inches tall, it makes fairly > large white underground storage roots. These can wander up to 4 or 5 > inches and some will, form new plants on the end (rhizomes?), but > others seem destined simply for storage. So they are geophytes or > geophytic. > > > But is there an interest in a house plant, succulent? Dell, > you get the biggest vote, but appreciate interest in others. > > If there's interest, I'll send the Dell next week. > Best Jim W. > -- > Dr. James W. Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. > Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 > USA > Ph. 816-746-1949 > Zone 5 Record low -23F > Summer 100F + > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From totototo@telus.net Sat Oct 18 15:10:21 2008 Message-Id: <19740419144736.014A3A00383EAF0D@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Schizostylis 'Sunrise' Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:09:20 -0700 Used to have this, reputedly the largest flowered Schizostylis cultivar, but it got swamped by Camassia leichtlinii and a vigorous Portuguese hedge. Anyone have it? -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From totototo@telus.net Sat Oct 18 15:18:04 2008 Message-Id: <19740414223344.C2A019203805C163@priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Another easy tuberous Tropaeolum Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:16:59 -0700 Tropaeolum ciliatum hardy here Major drawback: yellow flowers are almost insignificant -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From pameladaz@msn.com Sat Oct 18 15:24:16 2008 Message-Id: From: "Pamela Slate" Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:24:05 -0700 James, That plant can grow here. I'm interested. And thanks, Pamela Slate Carefree AZ Zone 9, depending. -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:03 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Dear Dell et al, I know we have gotten very expansive in our inclusion of 'bulbous' topics and plant materials included in the BX, but I wonder if this is going too far. I am ready to donate a dozen or more small plants of Euphorbis decaryi 'Nova' https://highlandsucculents.safeserver.com/species/decaryi%20nova.htm This is tropical succulent from Madagascar that only grows a few inches tall with a crown of wrinkled succulent foliage. I grow this in a shallow, but wide pot and in a short time it fills the pot. This species is dioecious, the sexes are in separate plants and I can't recall, but this either a male or female (that's a joke, guys) . Its small pendant flowers are insignificant. So why even think to donate to the PBS BX? Although the plant is only a few inches tall, it makes fairly large white underground storage roots. These can wander up to 4 or 5 inches and some will, form new plants on the end (rhizomes?), but others seem destined simply for storage. So they are geophytes or geophytic. But is there an interest in a house plant, succulent? Dell, you get the biggest vote, but appreciate interest in others. If there's interest, I'll send the Dell next week. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 7:01 PM From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sat Oct 18 15:23:46 2008 Message-Id: <000001c93157$78b8c2e0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:26:49 -0400 Frost is predicted for Montgomery County, Maryland tonight. I suspect that only rural areas in the northern and western parts of the county will have frost, but since I don’t want to take a chance of frost burn on certain plants, I’ve spent some time today either moving the plants under the roof overhand or bringing them in for the season. Among the ones which come in are the cactuses and succulents. Among these is a Euphorbia I’ve had for so long I forget exactly when I got it – maybe thirty years ago. Of the umpteen zillion euphorbias, about half of which are succulents, guess which one is the only one I grow? Yes, it’s Euphorbia decaryi. I obtained this as a give-away at a meeting of the local cactus and succulent society those many years ago. It must be a very tough plant, because I have rare skills when it comes to killing house plants. It sits on a window sill all winter; sometime in April it goes outside for the summer. During the summer it is exposed to all the local rain. During the winter I completely ignore it and it gets no water. It thrives on this treatment. So if you are looking for something unusual and easy to grow, nudge Dell and Jim to put some on the next BX. Jim, what’s the joke about the sex of the one shown on the link you gave (or for that matter the one you grow)? If it’s a clone, then it is either male or female, isn’t it? Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where I'm anticipating a very nice show from the combination of Nerine sarniensis and Ceratostigma griffithii. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sat Oct 18 15:37:21 2008 Message-Id: <000101c93159$5e29fc30$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Cyclamen notes Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:40:24 -0400 I was in one of the big box stores the other day and noticed a table full of blooming Cyclamen persicum. I went over to take a look and when I got over them a really pleasant fragrance became apparent. I picked a red one up, took a sniff, and got a whiff of something unpleasant. Then I tried a pink one – same stink. Finally I tried a white-flowered one: wonderful! I suspect that this plant has a potential life-span inside the house to be measured in hours. So it’s outside for the time being. It will probably spend the winter in the cold frame, although it’s pretty big for that space. The only other cyclamen in the frame is Cyclamen cyprium – and it’s just barely showing signs of renewed life now. This Cyclamen cyprium I raised from seed – in a sense. Several years ago John Lonsdale came down and spoke to our local rock garden group. He brought some plants with him, among them one Cyclamen cyprium which came home with me. Sometime later the plant croaked; I was very busy at the time and did not even have the time to tidy up the frame and throw away the pot. It’s a good thing: eventually, a cyclamen seed germinated in that pot. I transplanted it from the pot to the ground in the cold frame, and it’s been there since. Is it Cyclamen cyprium? I don’t know – it has not yet bloomed for the first time. It made good growth last year and I was expecting bloom this year; but so far no bloom. That newly purchased white-flowered plant of Cyclamen persicum is loaded with buds. If it doesn’t freeze in the frame, I’ll bet it will be blooming into the new year. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where Biarum tenuifolium is blooming. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sat Oct 18 16:40:50 2008 Message-Id: <000201c93162$3c6be5f0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Bulbs on offer in larger shops Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:43:52 -0400 I've visited several of the larger retail garden shops here in the greater Washington, D.C. area during the last few weeks, and I'm really impressed with the wide range of bulbs on offer. Yesterday I visited one shop in particular had a really good selection of minor bulbs, including such things as Dichelostemma, Calochortus, many many Allium, Amaryllis belladonna, Lycoris, - just about everything I've seen in some of the mail order catalogs. I can remember the days when if one wanted something like Iris 'Katharine Hodgkin', it had to be ordered from English or European sources. Now it goes for all of sixty-five cents at these garden centers. To give you an idea of the diversity in tulips, over two hundred cultivars are on offer in the different shops. Evidently the different local garden centers do not buy from the same wholesalers: the range of tulips on offer from shop to shop is not the same. I didn't bother to count the daffodils, but they too went on forever. Mid week I gave a talk on bulbs to a local group; I went through over 200 slides in about an hour and a quarter. I kept the emphasis on more familiar things with a sprinkling of less familiar sorts. Or at least that's what I thought I was doing. But now that I know what that one shop had on offer, I'm sorry I didn't make my presentation a bit more esoteric! Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sat Oct 18 16:48:49 2008 Message-Id: <000701c93163$59f6f550$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Allium giganteum Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:51:52 -0400 What’s the story with Allium giganteum? Years ago the plant in commerce under this name had very distinctive bulbs: huge tear-drop or almond shaped things which exuded a distinctive red sap which dried into hard drops firmly attached to the bulbs. The bulbs I’ve seen on offer in local shops under this name for the last several years have the typical, rounded bulbs of the Allium of the melanocrymnium sort. I have not bought one to see what they are (I think they are going for $7 each; I’m not that curious). For several years I have not seen the almond-shaped bulbs in local shops, but this year I did see them, and they were mixed with bulbs of more rounded form. Are these bulbs with rounded form also Allium giganteum? Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From hansennursery@coosnet.com Sat Oct 18 18:16:40 2008 Message-Id: From: "Robin Hansen" Subject: Cyclamen notes Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:16:29 -0700 Jim mentions fragrance of Cyclamen persicum. One of the smartest things the breeders have done the last few years is backcross the monster florists' hybrids with the species. So now we have some fragrance and considerable choice in sizes, although I don't see much size selection in the garden centers. So I'm trying to build up a collection of newer minis with fragrance to offer in the catalog one day. I haven't smelled one of the new minis yet that has quite the intense fragrance of C. persicum itself, but it's probably just a matter of time! Robin Hansen North Bend, Oregon USA Zone 9 and threatening rain From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat Oct 18 20:50:24 2008 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Schizostylis 'Sunrise' Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:46:46 -0700 Rodger asked, >Used to have this, reputedly the largest flowered Schizostylis >cultivar, but it >got swamped by Camassia leichtlinii and a vigorous Portuguese hedge. > >Anyone have it? You can probably find it in nurseries under its full name 'Oregon Sunrise'. I know of several nurseries here in Oregon that propagate it, but I don't know if any of them do mail order. Check Greer Gardens and Gossler Nursery. Jane McGary From jegrace@rose.net Sat Oct 18 21:05:47 2008 Message-Id: <20081019010536.8D1884C030@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "jegrace" Subject: Bulbs on offer in larger shops Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:05:32 -0400 I only wish that kind of diversity was available her in the Thomasville, Georgia/Tallahassee, Florida area! Ah, well...we enjoy the benefits of small towns/cities, so we must pay with lack of selection in some areas.... Erin Grace, Thomasville, Georgia, USA -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim McKenney Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 4:44 PM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Subject: [pbs] Bulbs on offer in larger shops I've visited several of the larger retail garden shops here in the greater Washington, D.C. area during the last few weeks, and I'm really impressed with the wide range of bulbs on offer. Yesterday I visited one shop in particular had a really good selection of minor bulbs, including such things as Dichelostemma, Calochortus, many many Allium, Amaryllis belladonna, Lycoris, - just about everything I've seen in some of the mail order catalogs. I can remember the days when if one wanted something like Iris 'Katharine Hodgkin', it had to be ordered from English or European sources. Now it goes for all of sixty-five cents at these garden centers. To give you an idea of the diversity in tulips, over two hundred cultivars are on offer in the different shops. Evidently the different local garden centers do not buy from the same wholesalers: the range of tulips on offer from shop to shop is not the same. I didn't bother to count the daffodils, but they too went on forever. Mid week I gave a talk on bulbs to a local group; I went through over 200 slides in about an hour and a quarter. I kept the emphasis on more familiar things with a sprinkling of less familiar sorts. Or at least that's what I thought I was doing. But now that I know what that one shop had on offer, I'm sorry I didn't make my presentation a bit more esoteric! Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From HHeaven77@aol.com Sun Oct 19 01:38:52 2008 Message-Id: <8CAFFC4109764AF-19C-1663@WEBMAIL-DC02.sysops.aol.com> From: hheaven77@aol.com Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:38:35 -0400 I would be interested in receiving one. Celeste Gornick Phoenix, AZ -----Original Message----- From: James Waddick To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:03 am Subject: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Dear Dell et al, I know we have gotten very expansive in our inclusion of 'bulbous' topics and plant materials included in the BX, but I wonder if this is going too far. I am ready to donate a dozen or more small plants of Euphorbis decaryi 'Nova' https://highlandsucculents.safeserver.com/species/decaryi%20nova.htm This is tropical succulent from Madagascar that only grows a few inches tall with a crown of wrinkled succulent foliage. I grow this in a shallow, but wide pot and in a short time it fills the pot. This species is dioecious, the sexes are in separate plants and I can't recall, but this either a male or female (that's a joke, guys) . Its small pendant flowers are insignificant. So why even think to donate to the PBS BX? Although the plant is only a few inches tall, it makes fairly large white underground storage roots. These can wander up to 4 or 5 inches and some will, form new plants on the end (rhizomes?), but others seem destined simply for storage. So they are geophytes or geophytic. But is there an interest in a house plant, succulent? Dell, you get the biggest vote, but appreciate interest in others. If there's interest, I'll send the Dell next week. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From PJOSPUX@aol.com Sun Oct 19 02:05:56 2008 Message-Id: From: PJOSPUX@aol.com Subject: Another easy tuberous Tropaeolum Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:05:49 EDT In a message dated 18/10/2008 20:18:21 GMT Daylight Time, totototo@telus.net writes: Tropaeolum ciliatum hardy here Major drawback: yellow flowers are almost insignificant Hardy here in SE UK, the five fingered pale green leaves produce a very graceful 6ft high back drop almost like a waterfall in a shady corner. I_t_ (file://\\t) is a bit invasive but dead easy to tear down. Paul Oliver-Smith Kent UK Where we are having a few sunny days and the autumn leaves are falling. From davidxvictor@btinternet.com Sun Oct 19 12:24:19 2008 Message-Id: <20081019162418.BC0354C01E@lists.ibiblio.org> From: David Victor Subject: Tropaeolum ciliatum Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:24:18 +0100 Hi Roger, I grow a number of Tropaeolum, but introducing Tropaeolum ciliatum to my garden was one of the worst things that I ever did. It is a fast spreading menace that is almost impossible to eradicate. If anyone lives in a similar climate to the UK, make sure you only grow it in a pot on a concrete base or face the consequences! best wishes, David Victor PS for those of you that know (of) me, I've recently become the UK National Collection Holder of Pelargonium Section Hoarea. From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sun Oct 19 14:21:37 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:23:02 -0500 OK The people have spoken. A box with a bout a dozen plants goes to Dell Monday. And Dell is willing. Thanks to Dell for all his work on the BX. enjoy and best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From piabinha@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 15:09:52 2008 Message-Id: <296823.15412.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: piaba Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apple name ? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:09:51 -0700 (PDT) i don't think they are edible are they?  at one point, they were sold in NYC farmer markets for their supposedly roach-repelling properties.   i occasionally pick them up in the park -- they do give off a slightly insecticidal odor. ========= tsuh yang But what did the Greek couple do with their truck load of fruit? Just eternally curious about what assorted people get up to. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dells@voicenet.com Sun Oct 19 16:18:03 2008 Message-Id: <20081019201756.7B4494C01E@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:12:42 -0400 I've kept track of the people who have already expressed a desire for this plant. I will send them out as part of the next BX offering (BX 188) ... whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer/ The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or not! Thanks, Jim ! Best regards, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:23 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? OK The people have spoken. A box with a bout a dozen plants goes to Dell Monday. And Dell is willing. Thanks to Dell for all his work on the BX. enjoy and best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From faeden4444@sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 19 16:45:13 2008 Message-Id: <254893.88948.qm@web83602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> From: Marilyn Pekasky Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Dell: If there are any left I'd like one too!  Thanks! Marilyn ----- Original Message ---- From: Dell Sherk To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:12:42 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? I've kept track of the people who have already expressed a desire for this plant. I will send them out as part of the next BX offering (BX 188) ... whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer/ The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or not! Thanks, Jim ! Best regards, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:23 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? OK    The people have spoken. A box with a bout a dozen plants goes to Dell Monday.         And Dell is willing. Thanks to Dell for all his work on the BX.         enjoy and best        Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph.    816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F     Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From dells@voicenet.com Sun Oct 19 17:03:16 2008 Message-Id: <20081019210307.54A004C02F@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:02:56 -0400 Oh, how good to hear from you! Yes, I'll put your name on one of them - and it will be free! Best, Dell -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Pekasky Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:45 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Dell: If there are any left I'd like one too!  Thanks! Marilyn ----- Original Message ---- From: Dell Sherk To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:12:42 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? I've kept track of the people who have already expressed a desire for this plant. I will send them out as part of the next BX offering (BX 188) ... whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer/ The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or not! Thanks, Jim ! Best regards, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:23 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? OK    The people have spoken. A box with a bout a dozen plants goes to Dell Monday.         And Dell is willing. Thanks to Dell for all his work on the BX.         enjoy and best        Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph.    816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F     Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From dells@voicenet.com Sun Oct 19 17:34:55 2008 Message-Id: <20081019213446.379D74C01E@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:34:36 -0400 Sorry to make this all public. Marilyn, you have a large credit on the BX, so your order will not cost you anything. Dell -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dell Sherk Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:03 PM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Oh, how good to hear from you! Yes, I'll put your name on one of them - and it will be free! Best, Dell -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Pekasky Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:45 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? Dell: If there are any left I'd like one too!  Thanks! Marilyn ----- Original Message ---- From: Dell Sherk To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:12:42 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? I've kept track of the people who have already expressed a desire for this plant. I will send them out as part of the next BX offering (BX 188) ... whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer/ The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or not! Thanks, Jim ! Best regards, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:23 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] To B (X) or not to B (X) ? OK    The people have spoken. A box with a bout a dozen plants goes to Dell Monday.         And Dell is willing. Thanks to Dell for all his work on the BX.         enjoy and best        Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph.    816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F     Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From Pelarg@aol.com Sun Oct 19 21:06:34 2008 Message-Id: From: Pelarg@aol.com Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apple name ? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:06:23 EDT Hi Tsuh yang. They are definitely not edible, in the lab I give the kids it states (from info copped from the net) that they while they are not poisonous, they will make one vomit. Plus the latex is irritating to sensitive skin, so I imagine it would cause problems if ingested. It is said that horses will eat them, and that their original dispersers were giant ground sloths and extinct prehistoric North American horses (as opposed to the introduced "wild" horses of today). Today we humans are the "dispersers". Don't know if they actually repel roaches, but the insecticidal/repellent properties are widely mentioned. Ernie In a message dated 10/19/2008 3:10:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, piabinha@yahoo.com writes: i don't think they are edible are they? at one point, they were sold in NYC farmer markets for their supposedly roach-repelling properties. i occasionally pick them up in the park -- they do give off a slightly insecticidal odor. ========= tsuh yang But what did the Greek couple do with their truck load of fruit? Just eternally curious about what assorted people get up to. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sun Oct 19 22:18:48 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apple uses ? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:20:11 -0500 "Don't know if they actually repel roaches, but the insecticidal/repellent properties are widely mentioned. " Here in the mid-west they are traditionally scattered around in root cellars and basements in the fall to keep insect pest down. I've heard of novices simply tossing them down the steps and into stored glass canned foods (oops ! ) and the like. Seems like that has been going on for ever here. I don't recall seeing insects eat the fruit, so it may repel them. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From honeybunny442@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 10:06:06 2008 Message-Id: <524394.75438.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: Susan B Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apple uses ? Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT) I wonder if they would work to keep insects (naughty ones) out of the greenhouse? --- On Sun, 10/19/08, James Waddick wrote: From: James Waddick Subject: [pbs] Way off topic - Hedge apple uses ? To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 10:20 PM "Don't know if they actually repel roaches, but the insecticidal/repellent properties are widely mentioned. " Here in the mid-west they are traditionally scattered around in root cellars and basements in the fall to keep insect pest down. I've heard of novices simply tossing them down the steps and into stored glass canned foods (oops ! ) and the like. Seems like that has been going on for ever here. I don't recall seeing insects eat the fruit, so it may repel them. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From j.grimshaw@virgin.net Mon Oct 20 11:55:37 2008 Message-Id: <008e01c932cc$42a64580$0401a8c0@MAINPC> From: "John Grimshaw" Subject: Tropaeolum pentaphyllum Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:55:22 +0100 Uli Urban wrote about Tropaeolum pentaphyllum: >I have never tested with my plants but I > think it is not very hardy and is not suitable for outdoor cultivation > in winter cold climates below freezing. This has always been my view as well, but earlier in the summer I was visiting a garden in the Cotswolds and saw the familiar flowers of T. pentahyllum twining round something else. I expressed my surprise and was told it was hardy there! The garden in question is even higher than we are here, so I shall put my plant out for 'hardiness testing' next spring. It certainly doesn't deserve precious greenhouse space... John Grimshaw Dr. John M. Grimshaw Sycamore Cottage Colesbourne Cheltenham Gloucestershire GL53 9NP From pjstegmaier@atlanticbb.net Mon Oct 20 21:41:12 2008 Message-Id: From: "PAMELA J FRICKER" Subject: Pelargonium hystrix Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:29:44 -0400 Greetings to all, I am a new member here and this is my first post. I have acquired a new plant from Steven Hammer by the name of Pelargonium hystrix and I find that it's hard to find any specific information on the culture for this plant. If anyone could enlighten me on the subject it would be much appreciated. Currently, I have it planted in a mesemb soil mix with a touch of orchid soil called 'Aussie Gold'. The caudex is slightly above the level of the soil and it's in a Zisha pot that is small and round. I'd post a picture but just recently I lost my camera and have to replace it soon. Does anyone here have pictures to share? Best regards, Pamela From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Mon Oct 20 21:37:31 2008 Message-Id: <220397.67280.qm@web86302.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: Tropaeolum pentaphyllum Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:53:43 +0000 (GMT) I have had this plant outside in a large pot against a south facing wall, and now heavily screened behind culinary bay and sage bushes etc. It grows up most years to a height of 8 feet into a clematis armandii before getting frosted sometime in the winter; and usually before flowering. I guess I may have had serious flowering for around 3 years out of the last 15 or more. This is in a garden where I have had pots of Tropaeolum tricolor flowering in unheated glass and plastic greenhouses. They look a bit sad when frosted but recover as the temp. rises, and when I tire of them in mid April take late spring frosts in full flower in the open, before going dormant. Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England --- On Mon, 20/10/08, John Grimshaw wrote: Uli Urban wrote about Tropaeolum pentaphyllum: >I have never tested with my plants but I > think it is not very hardy and is not suitable for outdoor cultivation > in winter cold climates below freezing. This has always been my view as well, but earlier in the summer I was visiting a garden in the Cotswolds and saw the familiar flowers of T. pentahyllum twining round something else. I expressed my surprise and was told it was hardy there! The garden in question is even higher than we are here, so I shall put my plant out for 'hardiness testing' next spring. It certainly doesn't deserve precious greenhouse space... John Grimshaw Dr. John M. Grimshaw From bonaventure@optonline.net Mon Oct 20 21:34:16 2008 Message-Id: From: bonaventure@optonline.net Subject: Way off topic - Hedge apples are ripe Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:28:58 +0000 (GMT) We had several trees by our dorm on Cook College, Rutgers U, New Brunswick, NJ. Only useful for (messy) batting practise! Bonaventure Magrys From dells@voicenet.com Mon Oct 20 21:53:45 2008 Message-Id: <20081020190347.395CA4DDE3@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 188 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:03:01 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 188" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Jim Waddick: 1. Plants of Euphorbia decaryi 'Nova' A tropical succulent. This Madagascar native only grows a few inches tall with a crown of wrinkled succulent foliage. https://highlandsucculents.safeserver.com/species/decaryi%20nova.htm. It makes fairly large white underground storage roots. Jim McKinney calls it "a very tough plant" and it is "something unusual and easy to grow" I agree. A small curiosity suited to the window sill and uneven care. 2. Small plants of Crinum hybrid 'Hannibal's Dwarf' (C. moorei x C. americanum). This from Marcel Sheppard's web site "It is vigorous and easy in the garden, increasing better than almost any other Crinum. The plant is small for a Crinum, with flowers held only about 18 inches tall. It produces a heavy early summer bloom in East Texas followed by sporadic flowers until cold weather. " I've just grown it in a pot, doubting its hardiness. It has never bloomed for me in a pot, but concentrated on multiplying madly. The flowers are medium , bright pink - or so I have seen on the web. In a pot it is about 1/2 the size Marcel gives. From Gregg DeChirico: 3. Small corms of Watsonia bulbifera, red-orange From Dianne Martinelli: 4. Seed of Cypella coelestis From Stephen Putman: 5. Seed of Pancratium maritimum 6. Seed of Hymenocallis palmeri 7. Seed of Crinum variabile From Mary Sue Ittner: BULBS: 8. Allium subvillosum-supposed to be a Mediterranean species, but I've never had blooms 9. Dichelostemma ida-maia - cormlets, winter growing California native (firecracker flower) 10. Ferraria crispa - winter growing South African, not very hardy, weirdly wonderful flowers; this one doesn't smell bad 11. Lachenalia contaminata- winter growing, multiple grass-like leaves, tolerates more rain so can be planted out in my climate, white flowers 12. Spiloxene capensis- could be white or pink, probably not blooming size, spectacular flower, winter growing 13. Triteleia peduncularis - cormlets, white Triteleia from California with wide umbel, grows in places very wet during growth so needs ample water during winter to keep it growing long enough to bloom late spring, early summer 14. Tulipa batalini -- considered to be a form of Tulipa linifolia, but you still see it advertised under this name. Has yellow flowers and is quite charming. I have been growing this for many years, chilling it for 4 to 6 weeks in Northern California and it always does well for me in containers. Some of these may not be blooming size, but they bloom when the bulbs are small. Could be some red ones (T. linifolia) in the mix as every year it seems that I have a few end up in the wrong pot, but they bloom at slightly different times. 15. Tulipa clusiana - the true candy stripe form, not the hybrids sometimes sold as such. This one is supposed to be good for naturalizing in warmer climates and I have a couple in the ground, but have more blooms from the ones I chill with all my others and grow in containers potted up new every year 16. Tulipa linifolia - delightful small species bulb with red flowers. I have been growing this for many years, chilling it for 4 to 6 weeks in Northern California and it always does well for me in containers. Some of these may not be blooming size, but they bloom when the bulbs are small. Could be some yellow ones (T. batalinii) in the mix as every year it seems that I have a few end up in the mix, but they bloom at slightly different times. 17. Tulipa 'Little Princess' -- returning to the BX which is where I originally obtained it offered from Cathy Craig. I do prechill this bulb, but it has been a reliable bloomer and increased well every year since I got it SEED: 18. Aristea capitata, syn. Aristea major-- finally bloomed for me, evergreen plant that makes a statement, blue short lived flowers opening for a while along a long stem 19. Brodiaea elegans -- California native, shiny purple flowers with darker stripe 20. Gladiolus tristis -- late blooming form that blooms in early summer, has darker markings 21. Hesperantha baurii -- pink flowers, summer growing 22. Lachenalia campanulata -- summer rainfall species that can remain evergreen if you keep watering it, blooms in spring, few seeds 23. Leucocoryne vittata -- open pollinated so could very well be a hybrid sure to 24. Lilium maritimum -- lily native to where I live and somewhat rare, supposedly not easy in all climates, may need cool summers 25. Pasithea caerulea -- only few seeds, blue flowered plant from Chile, winter growing 26. Watsonia coccinea -- medium tall Watsonia and not as invasive as some, nice orange-red flowers Thank you, Jim, Gregg, Dianne, Stephen, and Mary Sue !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From totototo@telus.net Mon Oct 20 21:31:32 2008 Message-Id: <19740414223344.416915263809D733@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Schizostylis 'Sunrise' Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:01:20 -0700 On 18 Oct 08, at 17:46, Jane McGary wrote: > Rodger asked, > > >Used to have this, reputedly the largest flowered Schizostylis > >cultivar, but it > >got swamped by Camassia leichtlinii and a vigorous Portuguese hedge. > > > >Anyone have it? > > You can probably find it in nurseries under its full name 'Oregon > Sunrise'. I know of several nurseries here in Oregon that propagate > it, but I don't know if any of them do mail order. Check Greer > Gardens and Gossler Nursery. 'Sunrise' and 'Oregon Sunset' are totally distinct cultivars. I've had both, including 'Oregon Sunset' from Gossler's. Oregon Sunset is a watermelon red, whereas Sunrise is a warm pink. There's no mistaking the two except for the names. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From msittner@mcn.org Tue Oct 21 08:03:45 2008 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20081020212239.03609340@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Watsonia in Pacific BX 188 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:43:35 -0700 Hi, I'd just like to ask that you not send any of #3 to anyone in California or a Mediterranean climate. If we know that a bulb can become a serious problem I don't think we should share it with others. There are great stretches of Northern California and Australia and I'm sure other areas around the world where Watsonia meriana var. bulbillifera is spreading and overwhelming native habitats. Not only does it increase by seed and corms around the main corm, but by corms in the stem of the plant which fall off and create new plants. There are a lot of other Watsonias that are much more attractive and not such a problem. Some made it to my garden from a neighbor's yard and I did eventually get rid of it since I immediately recognized it and dug it up right away, but still had offsets coming up for a couple of years. I guess I feel the same way about Lee's recent donation of Nothoscordum to the BX. Even with the warning, someone might end up with it who didn't realize how very difficult it is to get rid of once you have it. NARGS won't distribute seeds I don't think of known problem plants and perhaps the Pacific Bulb Society should give some thought to doing this as well. Mary Sue From debbiett@comcast.net Tue Oct 21 07:11:13 2008 Message-Id: <3CB657E776C6444AA17F828294659293@Deb> From: "Debbie TT" Subject: Pacific BX 188 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:25:12 -0700 Would love the following: 9. Dichelostemma ida-maia - cormlets, winter growing California native (firecracker flower) 24. Lilium maritimum -- lily native to where I live and somewhat rare, supposedly not easy in all climates, may need cool summers Debbie Teachout-Teashon PO Box 723 Kingston, WA 98346 Thanks! Debbie TT Gardening in the maritime Pacific Northwest Rainy Side Gardeners - rainyside.com Garden blog - Muck About - rainysidegardeners.typepad.com ************************************************************************ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dell Sherk" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:03 PM To: "'Adam Fikso'" ; "'c'" ; ; "Douglas Westfall" ; "General PBS forum" ; "John Lonsdale" ; "'Macfarlane'" ; "'Mark'" ; "'Mark Wilcox'" ; "Pat Colville" ; "The Masterson Family" Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 188 > Dear All, > > The items listed below have been donated by our members to be > shared. > > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me > PRIVATELY > at . Include "BX 188" in the subject line. > > Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not > specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, > too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first > come, > first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, > included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) > (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) > you > should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and > first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. > > PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE > ON > EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. > > Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not > members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO > MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take > advantage > of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... > > If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the > PBS,(Donors > will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their > donations.), > please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to: > > Dell Sherk > 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. > New Hope, PA, 18938 > USA > > I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > >From Jim Waddick: > > 1. Plants of Euphorbia decaryi 'Nova' A tropical succulent. This > Madagascar > native only grows a few inches tall with a crown of wrinkled succulent > foliage. > https://highlandsucculents.safeserver.com/species/decaryi%20nova.htm. > It makes fairly large white underground storage roots. Jim McKinney calls > it > "a very tough plant" and it is "something unusual and easy to grow" > I agree. A small curiosity suited to the window sill and uneven care. > > 2. Small plants of Crinum hybrid 'Hannibal's Dwarf' (C. moorei x C. > americanum). This from Marcel Sheppard's web site "It is vigorous and easy > in the garden, increasing better than almost any other Crinum. The plant > is > small for a Crinum, with flowers held only about 18 inches tall. It > produces a heavy early summer bloom in East Texas followed by sporadic > flowers until cold weather. " I've just grown it in a pot, doubting its > hardiness. It has never bloomed for me in a pot, but concentrated on > multiplying madly. The flowers are medium , bright pink - or so I have > seen > on the web. In a pot it is about 1/2 the size Marcel gives. > > From Gregg DeChirico: > > 3. Small corms of Watsonia bulbifera, red-orange > >From Dianne Martinelli: > > 4. Seed of Cypella coelestis > >From Stephen Putman: > > 5. Seed of Pancratium maritimum > 6. Seed of Hymenocallis palmeri > 7. Seed of Crinum variabile > >From Mary Sue Ittner: > > BULBS: > > 8. Allium subvillosum-supposed to be a Mediterranean species, but I've > never > had blooms > > 9. Dichelostemma ida-maia - cormlets, winter growing California native > (firecracker flower) > > 10. Ferraria crispa - winter growing South African, not very hardy, > weirdly > wonderful flowers; this one doesn't smell bad > > 11. Lachenalia contaminata- winter growing, multiple grass-like leaves, > tolerates more rain so can be planted out in my climate, white flowers > > 12. Spiloxene capensis- could be white or pink, probably not blooming > size, > spectacular flower, winter growing > > 13. Triteleia peduncularis - cormlets, white Triteleia from California > with > wide umbel, grows in places very wet during growth so needs ample water > during winter to keep it growing long enough to bloom late spring, early > summer > > 14. Tulipa batalini -- considered to be a form of Tulipa linifolia, but > you > still see it advertised under this name. Has yellow flowers and is quite > charming. I have been growing this for many years, chilling it for 4 to 6 > weeks in Northern California and it always does well for me in containers. > Some of these may not be blooming size, but they bloom when the bulbs are > small. Could be some red ones (T. linifolia) in the mix as every year it > seems that I have a few end up in the wrong pot, but they bloom at > slightly > different times. > > 15. Tulipa clusiana - the true candy stripe form, not the hybrids > sometimes > sold as such. This one is supposed to be good for naturalizing in warmer > climates and I have a couple in the ground, but have more blooms from the > ones I chill with all my others and grow in containers potted up new every > year > > 16. Tulipa linifolia - delightful small species bulb with red flowers. I > have been growing this for many years, chilling it for 4 to 6 weeks in > Northern California and it always does well for me in containers. Some of > these may not be blooming size, but they bloom when the bulbs are small. > Could be some yellow ones (T. batalinii) in the mix as every year it seems > that I have a few end up in the mix, but they bloom at slightly different > times. > > 17. Tulipa 'Little Princess' -- returning to the BX which is where I > originally obtained it offered from Cathy Craig. I do prechill this bulb, > but it has been a reliable bloomer and increased well every year since I > got > it > > SEED: > > 18. Aristea capitata, syn. Aristea major-- finally bloomed for me, > evergreen > plant that makes a statement, blue short lived flowers opening for a while > along a long stem > > 19. Brodiaea elegans -- California native, shiny purple flowers with > darker > stripe > > 20. Gladiolus tristis -- late blooming form that blooms in early summer, > has > darker markings > > 21. Hesperantha baurii -- pink flowers, summer growing > > 22. Lachenalia campanulata -- summer rainfall species that can remain > evergreen if you keep watering it, blooms in spring, few seeds > > 23. Leucocoryne vittata -- open pollinated so could very well be a hybrid > sure to > > 24. Lilium maritimum -- lily native to where I live and somewhat rare, > supposedly not easy in all climates, may need cool summers > > 25. Pasithea caerulea -- only few seeds, blue flowered plant from Chile, > winter growing > > 26. Watsonia coccinea -- medium tall Watsonia and not as invasive as some, > nice orange-red flowers > > Thank you, Jim, Gregg, Dianne, Stephen, and Mary Sue !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From dells@voicenet.com Tue Oct 21 09:16:53 2008 Message-Id: <28846.74.94.19.117.1224594994.squirrel@webmail.voicenet.com> From: dells@voicenet.com Subject: Watsonia in Pacific BX 188 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:16:34 -0400 (EDT) I would like to share your note with the membership and see what they have to say. Would that be OK? Only two people ordered the nothoscordum, and I sent them a second stronger warning from Rodger in BC advising that the bulbs be destroyed. They did not reply and I sent them the bulbs. Dell > Hi, > > I'd just like to ask that you not send any of #3 to anyone in California > or a Mediterranean climate. If we know that a bulb can become a serious > problem I don't think we should share it with others. There are great > stretches of Northern California and Australia and I'm sure other areas > around the world where Watsonia meriana var. bulbillifera is spreading and > overwhelming native habitats. Not only does it increase by seed and corms > around the main corm, but by corms in the stem of the plant which fall off > and create new plants. There are a lot of other Watsonias that are much > more attractive and not such a problem. Some made it to my garden from a > neighbor's yard and I did eventually get rid of it since I immediately > recognized it and dug it up right away, but still had offsets coming up for > a couple of years. > > I guess I feel the same way about Lee's recent donation of Nothoscordum to > the BX. Even with the warning, someone might end up with it who didn't > realize how very difficult it is to get rid of once you have it. > > NARGS won't distribute seeds I don't think of known problem plants and > perhaps the Pacific Bulb Society should give some thought to doing this as > well. > > Mary Sue > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From opbungalow@gmail.com Tue Oct 21 12:26:39 2008 Message-Id: <150371710810210925y98a4883o54bb7d165e8c0ac7@mail.gmail.com> From: "David Maxwell" Subject: Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:25:59 -0700 Hi All, well, with many potted bulbs (Hippeastrum) going dormant...and many more becoming available to buy from commercial nurseries, it's always a challenge to have a cheap, easy, convenient and LASTING method of labelling potted bulbs to keep track of which bulb is which. Especially since more often than not the bulbs don't come with permanent labelling stakes. I think most of us at one time or another have deluded outselves that 'Oh, I'll remember what bulb that is...in half a year from now.' Or, in the case of home-crosses, there's doezens of baby bulbs to either keep batched together...or label. So I wanted to share with the group a method I've been using, which is to use a water-based porcelain glaze on commercially manufactured glazed (4" or 6" bathroom) tiles. There are 2 French companies...Pebeo and Lefranc&Bourgeois...that manufacture the glaze, which comes in many colors, and is commonly available at crafts stores. It costs around $3.00 bucks a 1.5 oz. bottle, and you paint it on and "fire" it in your oven for 30 minutes. I use my toaster-over. White glazed bathroom tiles are available to buy individually at places like Home Depot...or scrap overages are easy enough to find...and they can easily be cut using a hand tile. Home Depot sells a 12" hand tile cutter by HomePro for about $15.00 bucks that's easy to use...just score & snap. I usually cut tile pieces that are 3/4" in. by 3" in., so a 6" in. tile yields 16 pieces. I've got 16 H.'Susan' x 'Picotee' babies starting to go dormant from a cross I made 2 years ago...so I just labelled the whole batch with one 6" tile. And another thing about tile pieces is that they don't (easily) wash or blow away. Anyway, that was my home crafts project du jour that I thought I'd share. -d. From kyle.b1@xtra.co.nz Tue Oct 21 13:23:58 2008 Message-Id: From: Kiyel Subject: Pelargonium hystrix Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:23:06 +1300 Hi Pamela. Find a link below will tell you about Pelargonium histrix. This is a good site for pelargonium's. http://razor.arnes.si/~mstrli/ligularia/hystrix.html Kiyel Boland In Sunny Napier. http://public.fotki.com/savagegardenz From idavide@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 21 13:48:17 2008 Message-Id: <826566.87214.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Plastic labeling stakes, available at any nursery are very durable.  Sharpie ink is not.  So, I bought a P-touch labeling machine -- very reasonably priced at Office Depot or Office Max.  With 3/4" tapes, you get two rows on the labels (1" tapes get 3 rows, but you'd need wide stakes).  Over the few years I've been using them, no label has ever decayed, fallen off or become unreadable.  And they are removable (though not reusable) if you apply the label to a pot. From Blee811@aol.com Tue Oct 21 14:47:49 2008 Message-Id: From: Blee811@aol.com Subject: Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project--machines Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:47:43 EDT In a message dated 10/21/2008 12:48:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, idavide@sbcglobal.net writes: So, I bought a P-touch labeling machine -- very reasonably priced at Office Depot or Office Max. With 3/4" tapes, you get two rows on the labels (1" tapes get 3 rows, but you'd need wide stakes). The only thing that has kept me from using these labelsl in the past is the slow letter-by-letter data entry to create the labels. Has anyone used any of the P-touch machines that connect with your computer so you can create labels from your existing database? If so, any recommendations or cautions? Bill Lee **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From leo@possi.org Tue Oct 21 15:18:45 2008 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Aristea Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Hello Mary Sue, > 18. Aristea capitata, syn. Aristea major-- finally bloomed for me, > evergreen plant that makes a statement, blue short lived flowers > opening for a while along a long stem Would you mind telling us how you sprouted these and grew them on? I've tried quite a few Aristea species from seed and had no success at all. Thanks, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From dells@voicenet.com Tue Oct 21 16:42:10 2008 Message-Id: <20081021204157.330374C015@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 188 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:41:46 -0400 I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Debbie TT Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:25 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 188 Would love the following: 9. Dichelostemma ida-maia - cormlets, winter growing California native (firecracker flower) 24. Lilium maritimum -- lily native to where I live and somewhat rare, supposedly not easy in all climates, may need cool summers Debbie Teachout-Teashon PO Box 723 Kingston, WA 98346 Thanks! Debbie TT Gardening in the maritime Pacific Northwest Rainy Side Gardeners - rainyside.com Garden blog - Muck About - rainysidegardeners.typepad.com ************************************************************************ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dell Sherk" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:03 PM To: "'Adam Fikso'" ; "'c'" ; ; "Douglas Westfall" ; "General PBS forum" ; "John Lonsdale" ; "'Macfarlane'" ; "'Mark'" ; "'Mark Wilcox'" ; "Pat Colville" ; "The Masterson Family" Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 188 > Dear All, > > The items listed below have been donated by our members to be > shared. > > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me > PRIVATELY > at . Include "BX 188" in the subject line. > > Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not > specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, > too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first > come, > first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, > included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) > (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) > you > should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and > first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. > > PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE > ON > EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. > > Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not > members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO > MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take > advantage > of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... > > If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the > PBS,(Donors > will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their > donations.), > please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to: > > Dell Sherk > 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. > New Hope, PA, 18938 > USA > > I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > >From Jim Waddick: > > 1. Plants of Euphorbia decaryi 'Nova' A tropical succulent. This > Madagascar > native only grows a few inches tall with a crown of wrinkled succulent > foliage. > https://highlandsucculents.safeserver.com/species/decaryi%20nova.htm. > It makes fairly large white underground storage roots. Jim McKinney calls > it > "a very tough plant" and it is "something unusual and easy to grow" > I agree. A small curiosity suited to the window sill and uneven care. > > 2. Small plants of Crinum hybrid 'Hannibal's Dwarf' (C. moorei x C. > americanum). This from Marcel Sheppard's web site "It is vigorous and easy > in the garden, increasing better than almost any other Crinum. The plant > is > small for a Crinum, with flowers held only about 18 inches tall. It > produces a heavy early summer bloom in East Texas followed by sporadic > flowers until cold weather. " I've just grown it in a pot, doubting its > hardiness. It has never bloomed for me in a pot, but concentrated on > multiplying madly. The flowers are medium , bright pink - or so I have > seen > on the web. In a pot it is about 1/2 the size Marcel gives. > > From Gregg DeChirico: > > 3. Small corms of Watsonia bulbifera, red-orange > >From Dianne Martinelli: > > 4. Seed of Cypella coelestis > >From Stephen Putman: > > 5. Seed of Pancratium maritimum > 6. Seed of Hymenocallis palmeri > 7. Seed of Crinum variabile > >From Mary Sue Ittner: > > BULBS: > > 8. Allium subvillosum-supposed to be a Mediterranean species, but I've > never > had blooms > > 9. Dichelostemma ida-maia - cormlets, winter growing California native > (firecracker flower) > > 10. Ferraria crispa - winter growing South African, not very hardy, > weirdly > wonderful flowers; this one doesn't smell bad > > 11. Lachenalia contaminata- winter growing, multiple grass-like leaves, > tolerates more rain so can be planted out in my climate, white flowers > > 12. Spiloxene capensis- could be white or pink, probably not blooming > size, > spectacular flower, winter growing > > 13. Triteleia peduncularis - cormlets, white Triteleia from California > with > wide umbel, grows in places very wet during growth so needs ample water > during winter to keep it growing long enough to bloom late spring, early > summer > > 14. Tulipa batalini -- considered to be a form of Tulipa linifolia, but > you > still see it advertised under this name. Has yellow flowers and is quite > charming. I have been growing this for many years, chilling it for 4 to 6 > weeks in Northern California and it always does well for me in containers. > Some of these may not be blooming size, but they bloom when the bulbs are > small. Could be some red ones (T. linifolia) in the mix as every year it > seems that I have a few end up in the wrong pot, but they bloom at > slightly > different times. > > 15. Tulipa clusiana - the true candy stripe form, not the hybrids > sometimes > sold as such. This one is supposed to be good for naturalizing in warmer > climates and I have a couple in the ground, but have more blooms from the > ones I chill with all my others and grow in containers potted up new every > year > > 16. Tulipa linifolia - delightful small species bulb with red flowers. I > have been growing this for many years, chilling it for 4 to 6 weeks in > Northern California and it always does well for me in containers. Some of > these may not be blooming size, but they bloom when the bulbs are small. > Could be some yellow ones (T. batalinii) in the mix as every year it seems > that I have a few end up in the mix, but they bloom at slightly different > times. > > 17. Tulipa 'Little Princess' -- returning to the BX which is where I > originally obtained it offered from Cathy Craig. I do prechill this bulb, > but it has been a reliable bloomer and increased well every year since I > got > it > > SEED: > > 18. Aristea capitata, syn. Aristea major-- finally bloomed for me, > evergreen > plant that makes a statement, blue short lived flowers opening for a while > along a long stem > > 19. Brodiaea elegans -- California native, shiny purple flowers with > darker > stripe > > 20. Gladiolus tristis -- late blooming form that blooms in early summer, > has > darker markings > > 21. Hesperantha baurii -- pink flowers, summer growing > > 22. Lachenalia campanulata -- summer rainfall species that can remain > evergreen if you keep watering it, blooms in spring, few seeds > > 23. Leucocoryne vittata -- open pollinated so could very well be a hybrid > sure to > > 24. Lilium maritimum -- lily native to where I live and somewhat rare, > supposedly not easy in all climates, may need cool summers > > 25. Pasithea caerulea -- only few seeds, blue flowered plant from Chile, > winter growing > > 26. Watsonia coccinea -- medium tall Watsonia and not as invasive as some, > nice orange-red flowers > > Thank you, Jim, Gregg, Dianne, Stephen, and Mary Sue !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From msittner@mcn.org Tue Oct 21 16:55:51 2008 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20081021133154.0353fea8@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Aristea Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:55:22 -0700 Dear Leo, I think my success in germinating Aristea has to do more with multiple attempts than really figuring it out. On one visit to South Africa I asked for help. There was a suggestion that smoke water might help since some of them seem stimulated to flower with fires. That seemed to be a bust for me. Rachel gave me extra seeds to experiment with and I don't think any that I treated with smoke water germinated when some of the same seed with no treatment did. Smoke water does seem to be a big help with Erica seeds (and I understand restio seeds too), but I digress. Someone on our list said you needed to start them in spring which didn't make much sense in my winter rainfall climate unless it was a summer rainfall species, but I did get some to germinate starting at that time. I also wondered if some of the seed I obtained from South Africa was too old by the time I sowed it. If that was the problem, this seed is very fresh and I had better luck with sowing my own seed when one of the ones I grew from South African seed bloomed. Also some pots germinated in the second year from sowing after being allowed to dry out in summer. Eventually I got a few seeds to start of many different species, transplanted them to individual pots when they were big enough to divide and planted them out in the fall before it started to rain when the plants looked big enough to do so. Most of the ones I transplanted have grown well in the garden with winter rain and limited water during the dry time of the year. I've gotten three of the species to bloom, but they don't bloom reliably which is a shame. The only reliable one is the weedy one from summer rainfall areas which seems odd. The Aristea capitata syn. A. major was grown from NARGS seed. I refrigerated it in a jar after I received it and started it October 23, 2002. It germinated December 5, 2002 and bloomed for the first time this summer. I can't remember if I did anything special to the seed or if I started it in the greenhouse or outside. I was really excited when they bloomed this summer and watched the spike developing. I believe I added a picture of that to the wiki. And I would say the flowers really are blue. Even without the blooms the form of those tall leaves is interesting. Mary Sue From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Oct 21 17:55:14 2008 Message-Id: <000601c933c8$24ced3e0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Aristea Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:58:24 -0400 Mary Sue, thanks for all the information on Aristea. It’s a genus on my “try it one of these days” list. The best candidates for me will probably be the dwarfish ones – I’ll be able to keep those in the cold frame during the winter. All this Aristea talk had me check out the wiki entries on the genus. I had seen photos of A. ecklonii in the past, but they didn’t impress me much. But the various species, including A. ecklonii, on the wiki are very handsome. I’m surprised that the big ones are not used more often in gardens. Am I missing something? By the way, I guess I have to say that I really don’t approve of the extreme measure you and Bob took to get photos of Aristea lugens. Did you set the fires on an earlier trip and then return later to get photos of the plants in bloom? There must have been a local co-conspirator, right? Wow, you must be big believers in the smoke treatment! Suppose you had been caught? What are South African jails like? As fragile as some of those ecosystems are, I'm really ashamed of you! : ) Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From JmsJon664@aol.com Tue Oct 21 18:36:28 2008 Message-Id: <8CB01E48838FC39-D28-D0D@WEBMAIL-MZ20.sysops.aol.com> From: jmsjon664@aol.com Subject: Aristea Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:36:02 -0400 I received seed of Aristea sp. (Platberg, 1500m) from Panayoti Kelaidis in 3/97.  It germinated in 3 months and went on to bloom 4 years later (in an alpine house that went as low as 5 deg. F), with fleeting, fleeting blue flowers in July.  It is perhaps 20cm high.  It carries on now (I just went out to check -- it's very easily disregarded) in a somewhat warmer space, to 15 deg F.   With all this fuss, it can expect to have more attention paid to it. Jim Jones Lexington, MA    From ixia@dcsi.net.au Tue Oct 21 18:39:53 2008 Message-Id: <26FD0B3DD507423BBEB10F8BA575D8A3@ownerd7bcfa40f> From: "Bill Richardson" Subject: Watsonia in Pacific BX 188 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:39:51 +1100 Hi Mary Sue, you beat me to it. This is a serious weed here in Australia and should be grown cautiously if at all. I wrote an article about this weedy problem a few years ago and took photos of it stretching for miles along the readsides here in Gippsland and Latrobe Valley to show how serious it can be. Glad you got onto it quickly. regards, Bill Richardson Ixiaking Gippsland Victoria, Australia Spring 6 c. to 16c. at present www.angelfire.com/ri/ixia ixia@dcsi.net.au From Pelarg@aol.com Tue Oct 21 20:12:09 2008 Message-Id: From: Pelarg@aol.com Subject: Pelargonium hystrix Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:11:52 EDT Hi Pamela, In the past I have grown P. hystrix in a cool greenhouse during the winter, when I was researching the genus at college and when I worked at the NY Botanic Garden. It is an obligate winter grower, and needs coolish conditions to grow well. It is not fond of water on the foliage, it can get botrytis fungus if it is too wet or air movement is poor. The plant does need reasonable soil moisture when growing, and as much sun as possible. In late winter inflorescences appear and elongate, flowers should appear around March or April or so. If you hand pollinate the flowers, they will set seeds as it is self fertile. The flowers are at their best as the foliage begins to fade, and then the whole plant needs to be dried off after setting seed or flowering. As the leaves begin to die back, reduce watering frequency. Fungicide applications can also be helpful if the plant does develop botrytis or root rot at any stage. P. hystrix can be started from cuttings taken early in the growing season (Sept or Oct), treated with rooting powder and planted in a well drained mix. As for pots, I'd recommend a simple clay pot at least 4 inches in diameter, if pelargoniums are grown in pots that are too small, they may remain stunted and not develop to their full potential. Good luck, it is an interesting species. Ernie DeMarie Tuckahoe, Z 6/7 In a message dated 10/20/2008 9:41:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pjstegmaier@atlanticbb.net writes: Greetings to all, I am a new member here and this is my first post. I have acquired a new plant from Steven Hammer by the name of Pelargonium hystrix and I find that it's hard to find any specific information on the culture for this plant. If anyone could enlighten me on the subject it would be much appreciated. Currently, I have it planted in a mesemb soil mix with a touch of orchid soil called 'Aussie Gold'. The caudex is slightly above the level of the soil and it's in a Zisha pot that is small and round. I'd post a picture but just recently I lost my camera and have to replace it soon. Does anyone here have pictures to share? Best regards, Pamela _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From rherold@yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 20:49:51 2008 Message-Id: <48FE78AF.1070708@yahoo.com> From: Roy Herold Subject: Aristea Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:49:51 -0400 Jim (neighbor almost), Very interesting that you have a bulb from Panayoti's collections in 1997 on Platberg (that big flat topped mountain/hill to the north of Harrismith). I, too, have a bulb from the Platberg, from Panayoti's distribution to the NARGS seedex in 1997. Mine was purportedly Cyrtanthus epiphyticus, but when it *finally* bloomed last year it turned out to be Cyrtanthus stenanthus. Unfortunately, this has to be the homeliest cyrtanthus in existence, with squinty *beige* flowers and a floppy scape. I've been reluctant to put photos of it on the wiki, fearing ridicule from all quarters. --Roy jmsjon664@aol.com wrote: > I received seed of Aristea sp. (Platberg, 1500m) from Panayoti Kelaidis in 3/97. It germinated in 3 months and went on to bloom 4 years later (in an alpine house that went as low as 5 deg. F), with fleeting, fleeting blue flowers in July. It is perhaps 20cm high. It carries on now (I just went out to check -- it's very easily disregarded) in a somewhat warmer space, to 15 deg F. > With all this fuss, it can expect to have more attention paid to it. > > Jim Jones > > Lexington, MA From rvanderhoff@sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 21 21:54:09 2008 Message-Id: <678714.56339.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ron Vanderhoff Subject: Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project--machines Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:53:57 -0700 (PDT) I used the Brother P-Touch label idea for two or three years. They looked great, and I didn't have the problem of being unable to read my own handwriting. However, I gave up on the P-Touch idea a few years ago because of fading. At least in sunny Southern California the labels would only go about two years until they were just about unreadable. In a shady spot they would last longer. I'm back to plastic stick tags and a #2 pencil. I don't think there is anything better. I get my labels from Orion Garden Markers (www.gardenmarker.com). I buy the 6" x .625" tags at $1.25 per 25 tags. For some pots of bulbs, I even buy blue tags for the winter growers and red tags for the summer growers. Eventually they will crack, but they never seem to fade, even in very bright sun. For big time applications, or hundreds of the same tag, a specialized thermal transfer printer is the way to go, but these start off at about $3,000. The cost per tag comes down to less that a penny each. The best for horticulture are made by Economy Labels, a division of Sato (www.label-it.com). The nursery industry uses these extensively. Ron Vanderhoff ----- Original Message ---- From: "Blee811@aol.com" To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:47:43 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project--machines In a message dated 10/21/2008 12:48:30 PM  Eastern Standard Time, idavide@sbcglobal.net writes: So, I bought a P-touch  labeling machine -- very reasonably priced at Office Depot or Office Max.  With 3/4" tapes, you get two rows on the labels (1" tapes get 3 rows, but you'd  need wide stakes).  The only thing that has kept me from using these labelsl in the past is the  slow letter-by-letter data entry to create the labels. Has anyone used any of the P-touch machines that connect with your computer  so you can create labels from your existing database? If so, any recommendations  or cautions? Bill Lee **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination.  Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From Blee811@aol.com Tue Oct 21 22:26:55 2008 Message-Id: From: Blee811@aol.com Subject: Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project--machines Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:26:49 EDT The labeling method I have been using for years is to access my database to print the desired information on clear Avery address labels which I then burnish down to the zinc plates on metal legs sold by Eon Industries. The company has advertised in The Daffodil Journal for several years. If facing east, the labels do fade after a few years. But they rarely disappear. In recent days I have attempted to recycle some and remove the old labels, but even acetone will only remove the upper layer, although this works because that's where the laser toner printing is so I now have a relatively new plate. The legs do tend to rust and break after some years, so not 100% of them can be recycled. Bill Lee **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From tiede@pacbell.net Tue Oct 21 23:23:54 2008 Message-Id: From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Labelling Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:24:06 -0700 I've been using the P-touch label machine (Model PT 1750) that uses the TZ tapes and they do not fade. The less expensive other tapes will fade after a couple of years. I also use black lettering on white labels and stick them onto the Paw Paw Everlast Label metal holder. Have used this system for ten years with great success. http://www.everlastlabel.com/ I use the 'C' holders for in-the-ground plants and they last forever or until you step on them. These holders are sometimes sold at nurseries for lots of money. Buy direct and save lots. Free shipping and paypal enabled (5% extra fee). Very fast and efficient service. Cheers, Bracey San Jose From zigur@hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 02:20:45 2008 Message-Id: From: Tim Harvey Subject: Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project--machines Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:20:35 -0700 I use a P-Touch labeler, and it is able to import excel spreadsheets in an appropriate format (comma separated, .csv) and print them in batch mode. The process is straightforward an also flexible. T> Has anyone used any of the P-touch machines that connect with your computer > so you can create labels from your existing database? If so, any > recommendations or cautions?> Bill Lee> **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From honeybunny442@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 09:36:47 2008 Message-Id: <514370.72974.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: Susan B Subject: Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) This may not be of any help, but I thought I'd pass along what I started using this year. I mainly grow in plastic pots and I've always used the plastic stakes that are time consuming to keep up and often get knocked out of pots or broken off. This year I started using a DecoColor Opaque paint marker and writing the plant name on the side of the pot.  I tried white, silver, gold, and black, and found white worked best for me- really stood out on the pot.  It lasts quite a long time, too, but is easily removed with a swipe of nail polish remover (even the non-acetone kind)  They are made by Marvy and run about $2 each. I heard somewhere that Plant Delights Nursery also uses them. susan I'd send a photo to the list, but I don't think we can do that, can we? From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Wed Oct 22 11:21:42 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: unsolicited Label promotion Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:01:07 -0500 Dear friends, I have been using a 'play' on the old metal label with great results. It looks like the standard 2 leg label with an angled horizontal plaque, but this one is made totally of high gauge stainless steel including the legs (that don't corrode away in a year or two). A totally new design of the label holder itself prevents it from EVER accidentally falling off as the old design does. and it is heavy enough it does not bend easily. If there's any problem it is that they are a bit pricey and they are too big for use everywhere. I use a laser printer on a self-adhesive plastic-based label (not paper) with a white (as opposed to clear) color. The self adhesive label fits very nicely on the metal plate and last for a very long time. Standard label printing software can do 30 labels at time -all different, the same or mix and match. I think this is a big improvement over similar types of metal labels. See http://shop.kincaidgardens.com/main.sc best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From butterflyamaryllis@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 13:44:47 2008 Message-Id: <989707.65012.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: James Frelichowski Subject: Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Writing in industrial permanent sharpies and wrapping in clear packaging tape should work for at least a year.   --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Susan B wrote: From: Susan B Subject: Re: [pbs] Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 6:36 AM This may not be of any help, but I thought I'd pass along what I started using this year. I mainly grow in plastic pots and I've always used the plastic stakes that are time consuming to keep up and often get knocked out of pots or broken off. This year I started using a DecoColor Opaque paint marker and writing the plant name on the side of the pot.  I tried white, silver, gold, and black, and found white worked best for me- really stood out on the pot.  It lasts quite a long time, too, but is easily removed with a swipe of nail polish remover (even the non-acetone kind)  They are made by Marvy and run about $2 each. I heard somewhere that Plant Delights Nursery also uses them. susan I'd send a photo to the list, but I don't think we can do that, can we? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From eez55@earthlink.net Wed Oct 22 22:11:33 2008 Message-Id: <380-220081042321128640@earthlink.net> From: "Eugene Zielinski" Subject: Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:11:28 -0400 I can vouch for the durability of these DecoColor markers. I've been using a black marker on labels that I stick into pots for two or three years now, and the Georgia sun and rain have had little to no effect on them. I initially thought that you had to go to an art supply store to find them, but they're carried by craft and hobby stores, such as Michaels. If memory serves me correctly, I think I found out about these markers through a post on this list. Gene Eugene Zielinski Augusta, GA USA > [Original Message] > From: Susan B > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Date: 10/22/2008 9:36:46 AM > Subject: Re: [pbs] Fall Potted Bulb Labelling Project > > This may not be of any help, but I thought I'd pass along what I started using this year. > > I mainly grow in plastic pots and I've always used the plastic stakes that are time consuming to keep up and often get knocked out of pots or broken off. > > This year I started using a DecoColor Opaque paint marker and writing the plant name on the side of the pot.  I tried white, silver, gold, and black, and found white worked best for me- really stood out on the pot.  It lasts quite a long time, too, but is easily removed with a swipe of nail polish remover (even the non-acetone kind)  They are made by Marvy and run about $2 each. > > I heard somewhere that Plant Delights Nursery also uses them. > susan > > I'd send a photo to the list, but I don't think we can do that, can we? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pjstegmaier@atlanticbb.net Thu Oct 23 01:11:48 2008 Message-Id: From: "PAMELA J FRICKER" Subject: Pelargonium hystrix Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:11:47 -0400 Kiyel, Thanks for the website on Pelargonium hystrix, and your fotki web pictures are great too! Pamela From pjstegmaier@atlanticbb.net Thu Oct 23 01:40:27 2008 Message-Id: From: "PAMELA J FRICKER" Subject: Pelargonium hystrix Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:40:26 -0400 Ernie DeMarie, I enjoyed all the information you gave me and right away was looking at my conditions for the plant. The plant I have is small, 4" tall from soil level and the caudex is less than 1/2" wide. The pot I have it in is round, 3 1/2" tall, and the interior of the pot is 2 3/4" wide. Considering the size of the plant I think the pot will do. When it grows larger then I can transplant it into a larger pot size 4". I have a fan blowing 24 hours a day with a gentle breeze over the plant table with a grow light being a 400 watt Hortilux-Blue metal halide daylight grow lamp 4' above the plants. This set-up is in my patio room that has many windows for extra light. The patio room temp is in the low 60's and I'm wondering if that is cool enough for the plant or does it need it cooler? When would you recommend watering to start as for a schedule- Sept/Oct? And how often should I be watering the plant-once/week or less? I live in Maryland and we're expecting some snow soon so I could only put the plant outside in the summer, but that would be during the dormant time. Should I just keep it in shade during that time? Thanks again for your help. I really appreciate it!! Pamela From gardenstreet184@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 04:00:59 2008 Message-Id: <136193.18048.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "C.J. Teevan" Subject: Oriental Lilies - Allelopathy - Caffeine Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:57:51 -0700 (PDT) For months, I have been collecting by the garbage bagful, courtesy of my local Starbucks, large plastic sacks of their used coffee grounds for my garden.   It is my understanding that those used grounds block slugs from slithering up the stems of my dahlias and lilies.  In the Summer of '08, I used smaller amounts sprinkled around tomatoes and strawberries, but they seemed to taste a bit like coffee afterwards, so I don't do that this year.   With my much greater quantities of grounds, which are only mildly acidic, I figured the grounds would pour Nitrogen and organic matter into the Soil and improve the tilth of my high clay Long Island dirt.   Last week, I stumbled on some research about Allelopathy.  Coffee beans are Allelopathic to among other things themselves.  I am wondering if they might be Allelopathic to the $100 worth of Oriental Lilies I just purchased and planted in the newly dug heavily amended bed I reserved just for them.  Anyone out there who can tell me not to worry about this?   Catherine, Long Island From khixson@nu-world.com Thu Oct 23 13:37:08 2008 Message-Id: <4900B63C.4060008@nu-world.com> From: Kenneth Hixson Subject: Oriental Lilies - Allelopathy - Caffeine Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:37:00 -0700 C.J. Teevan wrote: >used coffee grounds In my experience, coffee grounds do add organic matter, minor amounts of chemicals, and seems to be attractive to earthworms, at least if mixed with other composted organic matter. I haven't seen anything about long term effects on lilies, oriental or otherwise. In my garden, slugs/snails are a problem while the lilies are emerging and until the new growth is about a foot high, but when it toughens up, the slugs are no longer attracted. Unfortunately, the only effective treatment I've found is the old fashioned metaldahyde baits such as Deadline. Iron phosphate has been only marginally effective. Others, such as wood stove ashes, egg shells, etc, are not effective in our rainy spring weather. I'd love to hear of an organic treatment that works. The following is on the website of Paghat the Ratgirl, (who is a man), and a person of definite opinions--which you may or may not find acceptable: > http://www.paghat.com/coffeeslugs.html > The Hilo study has commonly been misrepresented as proving coffeegrounds > kill slugs, when it did nothing of the sort. The Hilo station was first > to establish that a SPRAY of 1-2% chemical caffeine (NOT coffee, certainly > not coffeegrounds merely cast on the soil) dousing the ENTIRE plant will > over time lower the slug population by killing just the BABY slugs & > snails AFTER THE TREATED PLANT IS EATEN. It has zero protective value > except in the long run of controlling the number of slugs that live to > maturity. The use of coffeegrounds per se was shown in other studies to > have little to zero effect, there being only a couple brands of coffee the > FRESH grounds of which would even reach the toxic level required, & spent > grounds already leeched of caffeine would be especially harmless. Even the > effective spray of caffeine in solution required the treated plant to be > eaten to kill the youngest slugs only. > >> and there are no known problems with other >> species. > > If one overlooks the harm done to species of plants. Caffeine if used > effectively as a REGULAR application of 1-2% chemical solution sprayed all > over the plants, according to Usherwood's follow-up to the Hilo study, the > plant itself responds to the caffeine, is toxified & damaged. It's true > casting grounds on the soil is pretty much a harmless activity & even > functions as a slow-release acid fertilizer, so no harm done, but also no > harm done to slugs. Ken From arnold@nj.rr.com Thu Oct 23 15:30:15 2008 Message-Id: <4900D0A5.5040302@nj.rr.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg Subject: Oriental Lilies - Allelopathy - Caffeine Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:29:41 -0400 I have used the old method of an inverted cantaloupe skin with great success. You have to get some latex gloves and be prepared to go out at night with a flashlight and pick the buggers off the inside skin and drop in your lethal cocktail of choice. Arnold From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 20:28:49 2008 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Oriental Lilies - Allelopathy - Caffeine Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:17:45 -0700 This is purely anecdotal, but there is a place on my driveway that I regularly toss the dregs from my press coffeepot, and I've been noticing that it has fewer weeds than the surrounding gravel. Maybe coffee grounds are not so good for plants in concentrated doses, though it's often recommended to add them to compost. Jane McGary At 12:57 AM 10/23/2008, you wrote: >For months, I have been collecting by the garbage bagful, courtesy >of my local Starbucks, large plastic sacks of their used coffee >grounds for my garden. > >It is my understanding that those used grounds block slugs from >slithering up the stems of my dahlias and lilies. In the Summer of >'08, I used smaller amounts sprinkled around tomatoes and >strawberries, but they seemed to taste a bit like coffee afterwards, >so I don't do that this year. > >With my much greater quantities of grounds, which are only mildly >acidic, I figured the grounds would pour Nitrogen and organic matter >into the Soil and improve the tilth of my high clay Long Island dirt. > >Last week, I stumbled on some research about Allelopathy. Coffee >beans are Allelopathic to among other things themselves. I am >wondering if they might be Allelopathic to the $100 worth of >Oriental Lilies I just purchased and planted in the newly dug >heavily amended bed I reserved just for them. Anyone out there who >can tell me not to worry about this? From leo@possi.org Thu Oct 23 21:40:09 2008 Message-Id: <94e1c04cc4bbc47f71a069ea1617aa23.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Aristea Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Hello Mary Sue, Thanks for the detailed information. I'll just keep trying. I planted a lot of winter bulb seed over the last 3 weeks, including Aristea of different species. The first thing up has been Albuca seed I got from Steven Hammer under the name Albuca sp Naroegas. It was up in 8 days, which is one of the quickest sprouts I've had with bulb seed. Steven had this on his list a year or so ago and the bulbs were gone by the time he got my order, but he had some seed. It's supposed to be fragrant. Yes, if I eventually get seed it will go to the seed bank. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From ang.por@alice.it Fri Oct 24 15:55:22 2008 Message-Id: From: Subject: R: Aristea major Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:50:24 +0200 Leo, this species germinates like a weed, I feel you got seeds too old. Indeed after the grmination the seedlings are prone to damping-off, but this was due to a peaty mix. Another batch was sown in a more mineral mix (sand-perlite with just a pinch of peat) and no seedling died. The growth isn't vey fast (i.e. like Dietes) but still sturdy. Angelo Porcelli Apulia -south of Italy Alice Messenger ;-) chatti anche con gli amici di Windows Live Messenger e tutti i telefonini TIM! From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sat Oct 25 12:45:48 2008 Message-Id: <000b01c936c1$9003dc90$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Allium schubertii Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:48:49 -0400 This year plants of Allium schubertii bloomed and set seed freely. The infructescence of this plant is spectacular - some measured twenty-four inches across this year! They come on a stem which is probably not much more than a foot and a half high, and as I guess everyone knows are very decorative. I had read that these seed bearing structures dry and then become tumbleweeds in the wild. I've always gathered them long before that happens in the garden. But this year after gathering them I pushed the stems down into the dense growth of some boxwoods and left them there as decorations throughout the summer. When I came home the other day, several of them were gone. I learned something here: when they are ready to go into tumbleweed phase, the umbels separate from the stem. That leaves the basket-ball sized umbel free to roll around with out the attached stem which would throw off the balance. When dried and kept in the house for decoration, I had never known this to happen - the stem always remained attached. So there they were, the stems still stuck into the boxwoods, but the huge spherical infructescences rolling around the neighborhood. I gathered them up because I want some of the seeds. This plant has two sets of flowers: the ones on the tips of the very elongated pedicels and the other, more numerous one on much shorter pedicels forming an inner sphere about four inches or so in diameter. The flowers on the inner pedicels are bigger and handsomer than those on the long pedicels; and those inner ones seem to set more seed: totally cool plant! Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From toadlily@olywa.net Sun Oct 26 01:24:43 2008 Message-Id: <4903FF2A.1040801@olywa.net> From: Laura & Dave Subject: Allium schubertii Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:24:58 -0700 Jim McKenney wrote: > They ... are very > decorative. > Quite a few years ago, our young son gathered one of the dried inflorescences (stem intact), painted the pedicels various colors, and applied glitter. We have been using this as a Christmas tree topknot ever since! Dave and Laura From leo@possi.org Sun Oct 26 12:33:42 2008 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Pelargonium hystrix Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Hello Pamela, > I have a > fan blowing 24 hours a day with a gentle breeze over the plant table with > a grow light being a 400 watt Hortilux-Blue metal halide daylight grow > lamp > 4' above the plants. This set-up is in > my patio room that has many windows for extra light. The patio room temp > is in the low 60's and I'm wondering if that is cool enough for the plant > or does it need it cooler? When would you recommend watering to start as > for a schedule- Sept/Oct? And how often should I be watering the > plant-once/week or less? I live in Maryland and we're expecting some snow > soon so I could only put the plant outside in the summer, but that would > be during the dormant time. Should I just keep it in shade during that > time? Thanks again for your help. I really appreciate it!! That lamp gets very hot. Be careful. Don't spray water on the plants while the lamp is hot or you might get some on the lamp and it might explode, showering your plants with near-molten glass. This plant doesn't mind warm daytime temperatures during the growing season so long as it has cool nights. If the room is full of winter-growing plants, let it get down to just above freezing each night. They will love it. The cooler the better. Most winter-growing plants don't mind a few degrees of frost but without knowing which plants you have it would be safer to keep it above freezing. I'm not familiar with this Pelargonium so I don't know how much frost it takes. Other winter-growing Pelargonium here in Phoenix are not harmed by overnight temperatures in the mid 20s F / -5C. In the summer you won't want this plant outside while dormant. Put it in a box in a closet. Or, if you plant it in a decorative container, leave it on a shelf for display in the house. Don't forget about it. In late fall when nights start to cool take it out and start watering again. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From leo@possi.org Sun Oct 26 12:37:13 2008 Message-Id: <5fd3d0f35e40730fe456722545019d77.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Oriental Lilies - Allelopathy - Caffeine Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Hello Catherine, > For months, I have been collecting by the garbage bagful, courtesy of my > local Starbucks, large plastic sacks of their used coffee grounds for my > garden. Composted organic material is good for most plants. Some fresh organic matter makes good top dressing but not all. I have discovered that putting fresh coffee grounds on the soil in pots during humid weather leads to a lot of mold growing on the coffee grounds. I don't like the looks of this. Some cycad growers say fresh coffee grounds as top dressing inhibit or kill the Asian cycad scale which is devastating genus Cycas in the southeast of the USA and in Guam. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From leo@possi.org Sun Oct 26 12:46:25 2008 Message-Id: <9b74ba741880ec14f50ac40dc62ec15b.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Aristea major Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:46:25 -0700 (PDT) > this species germinates like a weed, I feel you got seeds too old. Indeed > after the grmination the seedlings are prone to damping-off, but this was > due to a peaty mix. Another batch was sown in a more mineral mix > (sand-perlite with just a pinch of peat) and no seedling died. The growth > isn't vey fast (i.e. like Dietes) but still sturdy. > > Angelo Porcelli Thanks, Angelo. I'll try again. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sun Oct 26 14:36:33 2008 Message-Id: <000801c9379a$335094a0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Crocus oreocreticus Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:39:36 -0400 Crocus oreocreticus is blooming today It has the fragrance of hyacinths, or the fragrance of hyacinths mixed with the typical saffron crocus fragrance: very nice! Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From talkingpoints@plantsoup.com Sun Oct 26 16:36:47 2008 Message-Id: <47AD2992-A03F-4482-8A01-A6CFF616A1CA@PlantSoup.Com> From: N Sterman Subject: Alstroemeria x bomarea Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:36:34 -0700 I recently purchased a plant labeled Alstroemeria x Bomarea (or maybe Bomarea x Alstroemeria) from a nursery in Eugene. Its foliage looks very Alstreomeria like but a bit more blue-green than green. Flowers were just opening when I got it and were tubular coral - unfortunately, they disappeared in the week-long journey it took for the plant to make it from Portland to So California via UPS (I didn't have a choice but to have someone else ship it and the folks who packed it did a lousy job). I don't find mention of this intergeneric hybrid in the PBS wiki or in the archives - does anyone recall seeing a discussion about it? Or know anything about it? I'm wondering about where to plant it and what to expect it to do once it is in the ground.... Thanks! Nan ***************************************** Nan Sterman Plant Soup, Inc. TM TalkingPoints@PlantSoup.Com PO Box 231034 Encinitas, CA 92023 Order your personalized copy of the all new California Gardener's Guide vol II at www.PlantSoup.Com Watch A Growing Passion now on YouTube! Search for all five segments, starting at http://youtube.com/watch?v=4bpTdXY3cG8 From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Sun Oct 26 16:46:56 2008 Message-Id: From: "Diana Chapman" Subject: Alstroemeria x bomarea Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:45:24 -0700 The chromosome count in Bomarea and Alstroemeria would make them incompatible as far as crossing them is concerned, and the chromosomes have other differences, those of Alstroemeria being much larger with more DNA than Bomarea. Therefore .... it isn't a hybrid. My guess is that it is B. hirtella, the most adaptable of the Bomareas found in commerce, especially from the coral color of the outer tepals, and that it was in bloom in (I presume) a small container. All the other Bomareas I grow need a large pot to bloom at all (2gal minimum, 5gal better). They probably tacked on 'alstroemeria' to the name because most people know what an Alstromeria looks like, but wouldn't recognize the name 'Bomarea'. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs www.telosrarebulbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Sterman" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [pbs] Alstroemeria x bomarea >I recently purchased a plant labeled Alstroemeria x Bomarea (or maybe > Bomarea x Alstroemeria) from a nursery in Eugene. Its foliage looks > very Alstreomeria like but a bit more blue-green than green. Flowers > were just opening when I got it and were tubular coral - > unfortunately, they disappeared in the week-long journey it took for > the plant to make it from Portland to So California via UPS (I didn't > have a choice but to have someone else ship it and the folks who > packed it did a lousy job). > > I don't find mention of this intergeneric hybrid in the PBS wiki or in > the archives - does anyone recall seeing a discussion about it? Or > know anything about it? I'm wondering about where to plant it and > what to expect it to do once it is in the ground.... > > Thanks! > > Nan > From zigur@hotmail.com Sun Oct 26 16:52:43 2008 Message-Id: From: Tim Harvey Subject: Alstroemeria x bomarea Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:52:29 -0700 I do not believe the chromosome count is an absolute barrier as you suggest. After all, horses and donkeys are different (32 and 31 pairs, respectively). T> From: rarebulbs@suddenlink.net> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:45:24 -0700> Subject: Re: [pbs] Alstroemeria x bomarea> > The chromosome count in Bomarea and Alstroemeria would make them > incompatible as far as crossing them is concerned, and the chromosomes have > other differences, those of Alstroemeria being much larger with more DNA > than Bomarea. Therefore .... it isn't a hybrid. My guess is that it is B. > hirtella, the most adaptable of the Bomareas found in commerce, especially > from the coral color of the outer tepals, and that it was in bloom in (I > presume) a small container. All the other Bomareas I grow need a large pot > to bloom at all (2gal minimum, 5gal better). They probably tacked on > 'alstroemeria' to the name because most people know what an Alstromeria > looks like, but wouldn't recognize the name 'Bomarea'.> > Diana> Telos Rare Bulbs> www.telosrarebulbs.com> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N Sterman" > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:36 PM> Subject: [pbs] Alstroemeria x bomarea> > > >I recently purchased a plant labeled Alstroemeria x Bomarea (or maybe> > Bomarea x Alstroemeria) from a nursery in Eugene. Its foliage looks> > very Alstreomeria like but a bit more blue-green than green. Flowers> > were just opening when I got it and were tubular coral -> > unfortunately, they disappeared in the week-long journey it took for> > the plant to make it from Portland to So California via UPS (I didn't> > have a choice but to have someone else ship it and the folks who> > packed it did a lousy job).> >> > I don't find mention of this intergeneric hybrid in the PBS wiki or in> > the archives - does anyone recall seeing a discussion about it? Or> > know anything about it? I'm wondering about where to plant it and> > what to expect it to do once it is in the ground....> >> > Thanks!> >> > Nan> >> > _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From msittner@mcn.org Mon Oct 27 10:08:49 2008 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20081027070452.0314f3b0@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Mystery Strumaria, Hymenocallis, Androcymbium Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:08:22 -0700 Leo Martin asked me to add these pictures of a bulb he'd like help in identifying that he thinks may be Strumaria discifera. It certainly fits the description of this species in the Color Encyclopedia of Cape Bulbs. Can anyone help? And can anyone help identify the other two bulbs that have been on the Mystery Page for awhile? http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon Oct 27 10:36:22 2008 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Off Topic - Commercial note - Chinese Lycoris Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:37:52 -0500 Friends, I have a shipment of bulbs of Chinese species of Lycoris for sale. If you are interested, I can send you detailed information. Reply ONLY to , not this list reply. PLEASE. Thanks Jim Waddick -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From eagle85@flash.net Mon Oct 27 10:59:35 2008 Message-Id: From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Mystery Strumaria, Hymenocallis, Androcymbium Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:00:06 -0700 The pictures look very much like the ones that I acquired from the UCI Arb. Doug From dells@voicenet.com Mon Oct 27 11:19:53 2008 Message-Id: <13478.74.94.19.117.1225120782.squirrel@webmail.voicenet.com> From: dells@voicenet.com Subject: Mystery Strumaria, Hymenocallis, Androcymbium Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) I have Strumaria truncata in bloom right now, and it is very different from this mystery flower. Flowers are pendant; leaves have no hairs. I think one of the characteristics of the genus is the sheath around the base of the leaf clump. In S. truncata it is red. > Leo Martin asked me to add these pictures of a bulb he'd like help in > identifying that he thinks may be Strumaria discifera. It certainly fits > the description of this species in the Color Encyclopedia of Cape Bulbs. > Can anyone help? And can anyone help identify the other two bulbs that have > been on the Mystery Page for awhile? > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Mon Oct 27 11:26:45 2008 Message-Id: <3b9284cd0810270826sb03e22dmaa6669c9342df3e8@mail.gmail.com> From: "Jan Agoston" Subject: Mystery Strumaria, Hymenocallis, Androcymbium Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:26:44 +0100 http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Hymenocallis/Hymenocallis_as_philipinas.jpg This can be Hymenocallis littoralis, I had a similar one a few years ago... but variegata Regards, J. Agoston 2008/10/27 Mary Sue Ittner > Leo Martin asked me to add these pictures of a bulb he'd like help in > identifying that he thinks may be Strumaria discifera. It certainly fits > the description of this species in the Color Encyclopedia of Cape Bulbs. > Can anyone help? And can anyone help identify the other two bulbs that have > been on the Mystery Page for awhile? > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Mon Oct 27 13:41:34 2008 Message-Id: <509C43C4D0584CEF8F97C24BE115EB73@DJ9SK221> From: "Diana Chapman" Subject: Mystery Strumaria Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:39:57 -0700 I recently posted on Strumaria on my blog: www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com, with pictures of several species. I have Snijman's "Systematics of Hessea, Strumaria and Carpolyza". Even so, I find it difficult to distinguish between Hessea and Strumaria. The main differences are that the filaments in Hessea are free from the style, whereas in Strumaria they are attached at the base, and the base of the style is usually swollen. Having said that, even slicing up flowers with a scalpel and looking at them under a magnifying lens I still am not quite sure on some of them. Your picture could be S. discifera, but also resembles some other species in my collection, including a couple that I can't positively identify. Snijman says that the leaves should be long and lanceolate, channelled tepals and a bulbiform to discoid swelling at the base of the style. The leaves are covered with hairs on both surfaces (but there are others with hairy leaves). Diana Telos Rare Bulbs www.telosrarebulbs.com From JFlintoff@aol.com Mon Oct 27 14:58:36 2008 Message-Id: From: JFlintoff@aol.com Subject: re{PBS} Alstroemeria x Bomaria Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:58:26 EDT From davidxvictor@btinternet.com Mon Oct 27 15:01:04 2008 Message-Id: <20081027190103.7A6814C015@lists.ibiblio.org> From: David Victor Subject: Mystery Strumaria Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:00:51 +0000 Hi Mary Sue, >Leo Martin asked me to add these pictures of a bulb he'd like help in I'm pretty sure that its Strumaria discifera subsp. discifera. This subsp. has a frilly disc-like swelling at the base of the style, whereas the other subsp. (bulbifera) has a bulbous shaped swelling. Best regards, David Victor From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Mon Oct 27 15:14:02 2008 Message-Id: From: "Diana Chapman" Subject: Mystery Strumaria Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:12:30 -0700 I recently posted on Strumaria on my blog: www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com, with pictures of several species. I have Snijman's "Systematics of Hessea, Strumaria and Carpolyza". Even so, I find it difficult to distinguish between Hessea and Strumaria. The main differences are that the filaments in Hessea are free from the style, whereas in Strumaria they are attached at the base, and the base of the style is usually swollen. Having said that, even slicing up flowers with a scalpel and looking at them under a magnifying lens I still am not quite sure on some of them. Your picture could be S. discifera, but also resembles some other species in my collection, including a couple that I can't positively identify. Snijman says that the leaves should be long and lanceolate, channelled tepals and a bulbiform to discoid swelling at the base of the style. The leaves are covered with hairs on both surfaces (but there are others with hairy leaves). Diana Telos Rare Bulbs www.telosrarebulbs.com From dells@voicenet.com Mon Oct 27 15:22:13 2008 Message-Id: <20081027192212.74EFC4C014@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 189 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:21:11 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 189" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Mary Sue Ittner: 1. Small bulbs of Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus In spite of not getting repotted for almost ten years and having infrequent fertilization if at all, looking at my data base I see most years it bloomed in my greenhouse where I kept the pots for about four months solid starting in February usually. Plants I put in the ground have been less successful. This species can be grown as a house plant too. From Arnold Trachtenberg: 2. Seeds of Eucomis sp? From Dave Boucher: 3. Seed of Amorphophallus prainii From Alf Valjebeck: SEED: 4. Leucojum vernum var. carpathicum 5. Lilium martagon 6. Lilium regale 7. Nothoscordum galpinii 8. Cyrtanthus epiphyticus (from BX 55) 9. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus 10. Zephyranthes macrosiphon 11. Zephyranthes fosterii 12. Habranthus tubispathus 13. Habranthus robustus From Bob Werra: CORMS/CORMLETS:(few) 14. Moraea macronyx 15. Moraea ciliata, tall blue/yellow 16. Moraea ciliata, short, slate blue 17. Moraea tripetala 18. Moraea bellendenii 19. Moraea polyanthos Thank you, Mary Sue, Arnold, Dave, Alf, and Bob !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From idavide@sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 29 17:21:57 2008 Message-Id: <327596.82189.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Channeled ? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Hello all,   In several places, including in this forum, I have seen the adjective ‘channeled’, e.g. channeled leaves, channeled tepals, etc.  I have looked this word up in the glossaries of most of my plant books, but can't find it.  Perhaps I am dense, but I don't understand what it means.  Could someone in this forum please explain what this means? From xerantheum@gmail.com Wed Oct 29 17:36:26 2008 Message-Id: From: "Nhu Nguyen" Subject: Channeled ? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:36:25 -0700 Hello David, It is a longitudinal depression along the mid-vein found in some leaves. If you could imagine taking a leaf and slicing it transversally, you will see that the cut forms a 'V' or sometimes a 'U'. Leaves of sedges are often channeled. Hope that helps. Nhu On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:21 PM, David Ehrlich wrote: > Hello all, > > In several places, including in this forum, I have seen the adjective > 'channeled', e.g. channeled leaves, channeled tepals, etc. I have looked > this word up in the glossaries of most of my plant books, but can't find > it. Perhaps I am dense, but I don't understand what it means. Could > someone in this forum please explain what this means? > > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ From alanidae@gmail.com Wed Oct 29 18:05:30 2008 Message-Id: From: "Alani Davis" Subject: Channeled ? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:05:29 -0400 The botanical term is canaliculate and the definition in the glossary of Hortus Third is "with a longitudinal channel or groove". Crinum bulbispermum is one of many good examples. Alani From arnold@nj.rr.com Wed Oct 29 20:51:17 2008 Message-Id: <490912D8.7060108@nj.rr.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg Subject: Channeled ? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:50:16 -0500 I have seen the term "keeled" used to describe something similar. Arnold From donjournet@netspace.net.au Thu Oct 30 07:38:14 2008 Message-Id: <49099CA1.1060004@netspace.net.au> From: Don Journet Subject: Channeled ? Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:38:09 +1100 Does not keeled really refer to the underside side of the leaf? Although the two conditions would often go together. Don Journet rnold Trachtenberg wrote: > I have seen the term "keeled" used to describe something similar. > > Arnold > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > From drpaulbear@xtra.co.nz Thu Oct 30 20:20:36 2008 Message-Id: From: Subject: please excuse this Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:20:35 +1300 Would Paul Tyrman from Austrailia please contact me privatly DrPaulBear@xtra.co.nz From othonna@gmail.com Thu Oct 30 21:46:55 2008 Message-Id: <8e8da5260810301846o74009015y854aeff88a0c3a74@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Channeled ? Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:46:54 -0700 Yes, a keel is the "positive" compliment to a "negative" channel or groove. I believe channeled or canaliculate refers to a sort of linear excavation of a surface, without any differentiation of tissue. This may be narrow and more easily felt than seen (some Albuca and Ornithogalum species for example) or broad as in the Crinum example. Most bulbs that are monocots have leaves more or less channeled near the base, where it meets the bulb, but the term/s are generally used where it represents an atypical condition (channeled vs. flat leaves). Where the "channels" are caused by robust venation, as in Tigridia and Babiana, the terminology (e.g., plicate) usually emphasizes the veins or ribs rather than the channels. Dylan Hannon On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Don Journet wrote: > Does not keeled really refer to the underside side of the leaf? Although > the two conditions would often go together. > Don Journet > rnold Trachtenberg wrote: >> I have seen the term "keeled" used to describe something similar. >> >> Arnold >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >