Dear All, This may be off topic to a certain degree, but I just learned that Hines Hort., the 2nd largest commercial nursery in the US filed for bankruptcy protection under Chapter 11 a few weeks ago. There is an interesting commercial nursery blog discussion at http://thegoldengecko.com/blog/?p=230 tracing Hines' problem to the practices of big box stores. The big box stores get plants from growers at no cost. They pay only for those that sell. If they die under the box store care or just get discarded at the end of the season, the box store has no investment and the grower takes all the risks. Some of this may of interest to some of you. I found it intriguing especially in context of the US economy. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +