Hi Robert, The picture in the link you provided does not show H.papilio but a primary hybrid of H.papilio with H.cybister. I assume that it is "Jungle Star" (afaik bred by Mr. Doran) - and, I often noticed that this hybrid was appraised as "H.papilio Improved" too - obviously for marketing purposes. The shape which reminds you of a Sprekelia flower is due to the heritage of H.cybister. In order to view images of this other parent of "Jungle Star" (and btw, "Lima" too) please google for the Hippeastrums "Chico" and "Reggae", respectively. Those are superior, selected clones of H.cybister, released by the breeder Fred Meyer. H.cybister, at least the one clone "Chico" is capable of producing 6 flowers per scape. H.papilio has regularly 2 flowers, seldom 3. Hybrids between both species do generally bring 4 flowers per stem. The hybridization is to be carried out easily in both directions. Examples of my own (two siblings of H.papilio x H.cybister "Chico" with superior performance) are incuded here: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v215/… As to your speculations about the diversity of H.papilio, a careful search on the web reveals that there do actually exist several clones of H.papilio, (too). Examples are shown in http://www1.pu.edu.tw/~cfchen/20050426/default.htm The one H.papilio which obviously dominates the market worldwide can produce flowers with the broadest "butterfly" segments of them all. In fact those segments can become "broader than long" if the overall conditions are excellent. I include an extreme example out of my windowsill: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v215/… Veronica Read ("Hippeastrum - The Gardener's Amaryllis") states that this clone is, in difference to H.papilio in general - evergreen. A regrettable property of this clone, however, is its SELF sterility. And, furthermore, my experience is, hitherto, that the mentioned hybrids with H.cybister are completely sterile (are there opposite experiences? That would interest me). Hans-Werner > From: email@example.com > To: firstname.lastname@example.org > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:49:07 +0100 > Subject: [pbs] Sprekelia? Hippeastrum? ....that it could be a Hippeastrum papilio I checked Google and found following site. > > http://images.google.be/imgres/… > > The picture very much correspond with that of my plant. On other sites I found however other pictures of so-called Hippeastrum papilio that present Hippeastrum features such as broad petals. Did the few butterfly bulbs have such rich genetic potential on their own or is it this huge variation in features the result of (un)controled hybridization? If so the question is: which were the shape and colour pattern of the original Hippeastrum papilio found in Brasil's southern Atlantic Forest. > > Thanks in advance for your comments, > > Robert-E. Brasseur > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > email@example.com > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ _________________________________________________________________ http://redirect.gimas.net/?n=M0902xWLM2009 Neu: Messenger 2009! Hier kostenlos downloaden!