Hello all: I think I owe an apology to the entire group. Why? Although I received some nice responses from Diane and Dylan, Mary Sue pointed out that there was a kind of disjunct between the heading and what I was writing and posted on Feb. 1.. The entire message had derailed in my head and was originally intended to go to another plant group focussed on aril irises. . So, again---my apologies--and I'm glad that Nguyen is with us. Diane's and Dylan's comments though, gave me further food for thought. So a special thanks to them.