Dear Lauw, I so agree,but it IS amazing what you can get away with when exploiting micro climates in your garden! Snowdrop season is swinging in to gear here! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "contact" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <email@example.com> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Why insist Dear all, This remark of Mary Sue struck me, as it is also my philosophy "if a plant (genus or species) does not thrive in your garde, don't insist. The choice is so enormous; candidats are queing up. For example: after having tried 10 species of Fritiliaria only F raddeana is still hanging on. My gardening environment is definitely suited for Méditerranean and Cape bulbs. Allthough for commercial reasons I have to grow some species from other mediterranean climat areas. Kind greetings Lauw de Jager http://www.bulbargence.com/ South of France where are flowering: Narcissus tazetta 'Paperwhite, Cyclamen, Crocus, Amarine, Tulbaghia, Nerine, Oxalis -----Original Message----- From: Mary Sue Ittner I've mostly given up trying to grow Fritillaria since I don't have continuing success with this genus even though I have gotten some species to bloom from seed. So many other things are so much more reliable for me. I have enough success that I don't need to succeed with everything.