From ds429@comcast.net Tue Sep 1 14:33:27 2009 Message-Id: <000601ca2b32$b95f4c30$2c1de490$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 216 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:33:38 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 216" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non-US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Jim Waddick: (BULBS) 1. Narcissus pachybulbos Few small bulbs. This rarity is best suited to a mild climate gardens only. It has notoriously large bulbs up to 3 inches in diameter and robust foliage with tiny (teensy) flowers of perfect daffodil shape, but less than 3/4 in. in diameter. It is related to the Tazetta group and flowers though small are very fragrant. 2. Lilium lancifolium 'Flore Pleno' stem bulbils. This is the double flowered Tiger Lily. Flowers are mostly hose-in-hose doubles and long lasting. My plants originate from Ellen Hornig and Paige Woodward and are a mix of these clones. SEEDS: 3. Arum nigrum My favorite Arum. The foliage is plain dark green, but the deep lustrous black spathes peer out ominously from beneath. Easy in half sun or half shade. Plants have proven hardy in Zone 5 for over a decade. Plants originated form Panayoti Kelaidis at the Denver Botanic Garden. 4. Dracunculus vulgaris. An imposing aroid up to 4 ft tall (taller in some locations) and perfectly hardy here. Deep dark red inflorescence is very pungent -not in a good way - but impresses all who see it. These plants share silver marked foliage. Although considered a curiosity, the foliage is very dramatic and the bright red-orange seed heads are ornamental, too. 5. Gladiolus byzantinus These are the small flowered hardy glads native to Europe. My plants come from Dutch stock and are hardy and reliable in Zone 5. Lovely smaller purple flowers. 6. Thalia dealbata This is a large dramatic aquatic rhizomatous perennial and one of these most northerly members of the Marantaceae. Generally defined as hardy to Zone 6 and south, my plants originated in Central Illinois from Stan Tyson. There is no representation on the PBS wiki and I do not recall discussion of this species before. 7. Tulipa clusiana 'Lady Jane' This is a popular species tulip similar to the wild form pictured at http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/TulipaSpeciesOne Proven hardy, easy and vigorous here. 8. Tulipa whittali a smaller species Tulip that came from Dutch stock. The strictly upright cup shaped flowers are essentially orange with streaks of greenish and brownish. See http://www.brentandbeckysbulbs.com/spring/productview/index.php?sku=02-1444 It has proven hardy and easy in Zone 5. From Jim Shields: 9. Some 2.5 yr old seedling bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus (W). These bulbs were not washed, as they will want to start growing as soon as they get wet. They are fairly clean otherwise. 10. Some seeds of Haemanthus humilis humilis (S) (smooth broad leaves, pink inflorescence) 11. Seeds of Haemanthus montanus (S) (white flowers, long narrow leaves) 12. Some seeds of Hymenocallis glauca From Mike Mace: 13. Bulbs of Oxalis stenorrhyncha (cf #17) From Lyn Makela: (BULBS) 14. Crinum x powelii album 15. Freesia grandiflora 16. Oxalis x 'Omel', from Yuccado 17. Oxalis stenorrhynca, orange (cf #13) 18. Zephyranthes traubii SEEDS: 19. Babiana vanzyliae 20. Sinningia warmingii 21. Sparaxis grandiflora v. acutiloba 22. Zephyranthes drummondii 23. Zephyranthes lindleyana 24. Zephyranthes morrisclintii 25. Zephyranthes katherinae rubra 26. Zephyranthes 'Sunset Strain' Thank you, Jim W., Jim S., Mike, and Lyn !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue Sep 1 15:13:32 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Narcissus pachybolbus and other tazettas Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:08:38 -0700 In the newest BX list is1. Narcissus pachybulbos Few small bulbs. This rarity is best >suited to a mild climate gardens only. It has notoriously large bulbs >up to 3 inches in diameter and robust foliage with tiny (teensy) >flowers of perfect daffodil shape, but less than 3/4 in. in diameter. >It is related to the Tazetta group and flowers though small are very >fragrant. Note the spelling of the species is "pachybolbus" (vowels got reversed). It is regarded as a good species by Blanchard but he notes that Webb proposes lumping it with N. papyraceus; it comes from North Africa. I grew it in the bulb frame for many years but have now found that it's hardy outdoors here in western Oregon, with typical winter temperatures in the mid-teens F. Most tazettas don''t flourish in the open garden at my place, including "paperwhites" and the pretty bicolored ones. Another that does well outdoors, however, is N. panizzianus, mostly from the Iberian Peninsula. I lost N. italicus in the open. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Sep 1 15:36:37 2009 Message-Id: <001b01ca2b3b$81cef7d0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Narcissus pachybolbus and other tazettas Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:36:30 -0400 Jane McGary wrote: “I grew it in the bulb frame for many years but have now found that it's hardy outdoors here in western Oregon, with typical winter temperatures in the mid-teens F.” Narcissus pachybolbus (my start came from Jane) has grown well here in my protected cold frame. I look forward to the sweetly scented flowers in mid winter; and in common with those of the commercially available tazetta forms, the flowers last and last in the cold frame. Tazettas have been known to remain in bloom here for three weeks – and that (and their marvelous scent) to me makes them worth the space they take in the frame. Except that the flowers are a bit smaller, N. pachybolbus looks a lot like a paperwhite narcissus from about a foot away. So far it seems to come into bloom a bit sooner than ‘Ziva’, which is grown here in the same frame. Jane, when do your plants in the open garden bloom? I’m tempted to try a bulb in the open ground, but February (and March too in some years) here can be very rough on anything at all tender. The members of the tazetta group sometimes survive a winter or two here in the open garden, but because they start into growth so early, the foliage is cut badly each year – and it isn’t long before they are reduced to nothing. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From msittner@mcn.org Tue Sep 1 15:46:05 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090901124325.037db3a8@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: OT-Fires in Southern California Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:45:41 -0700 Hi, I am wondering how some of our southern California list members are faring. I believe Lee Poulsen and Tom Glavich must be really close to the fires in the Los Angeles area and at the very least be dealing with a lot of smoke. It would be a relief to hear from some of you that things are all right. Mary Sue From tglavich@sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 1 15:52:04 2009 Message-Id: <496837.84325.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Thomas Glavich Subject: OT-Fires in Southern California Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Things are all right.  I'm a couple streets in from Mount Wilson.  There have been evacuations nearby, but I've been able to stay at home.  Sunday night was the worst, when I could see the flames illuminating the bottom of smoke clouds, just a couple of ridges back.  There is lots of ash, and the air quality is very poor. I think the worst is over, humidity is up considerably. Thanks for asking. Tom ________________________________ From: Mary Sue Ittner To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:45:41 PM Subject: [pbs] OT-Fires in Southern California Hi, I am wondering how some of our southern California list members are faring. I believe Lee Poulsen and Tom Glavich must be really close to the fires in the Los Angeles area and at the very least be dealing with a lot of smoke. It would be a relief to hear from some of you that things are all right. Mary Sue From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue Sep 1 16:32:41 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Narcissus pachybolbus Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:36:21 -0500 >Note the spelling of the species is "pachybolbus" (vowels got >reversed). It is regarded as a good species by Blanchard but he notes >that Webb proposes lumping it with N. papyraceus; it comes from North >Africa. Dear Jane, Thanks for the correction. I had a very old faint label to guess from. Yes it does look like a paper white in bloom... a very teensy tiny paper white. If anyone is looking for a floral display, a cut flower or any kind of show, this is NOT the Narcissus for you. I consider it a collector's item that I am done collecting and passing along. On the plus side the flowers are so tiny and prefect that they are a good conversation piece in a garden club. Enjoy Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Tue Sep 1 16:46:37 2009 Message-Id: <4A9D882A.5020303@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: OT-Fires in Southern California Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:46:34 -0700 We're okay as well. We live to the west of Tom and late Saturday night was when the flames were visible directly above my neighborhood (probably 3 or 4 miles away). But yesterday afternoon when the wind was blowing away from Pasadena and the air was particularly clear, I could see that the lower face of the mountains above the large firebreaks above where the houses end had been scoured clean and there isn't anything left to burn in our direction. I know there are still fire lines some miles to the west of us, as well as to the north beyond the crests of the mountains we can see, and off to the northeast further up in the mountains. But there is still lots of smoke and ash, especially in the mornings when it seems the air currents blow it all in our direction. Luckily we never had the high speed Santa Ana winds that blow out of the mountains towards the coast, even though we did have the very high temperatures (~40°C) and single digit humidity. That probably would have been a much greater disaster. The heat and dryness is supposed to be ending this week. I've kept the summer growers watered and they're doing okay. And who knows, maybe some of the plants that like fires might bloom for me this winter... --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a Thomas Glavich wrote: > Things are all right. I'm a couple streets in from Mount Wilson. There have been evacuations nearby, but I've been able to stay at home. Sunday night was the worst, when I could see the flames illuminating the bottom of smoke clouds, just a couple of ridges back. > > There is lots of ash, and the air quality is very poor. > > I think the worst is over, humidity is up considerably. > > Thanks for asking. > > Tom > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mary Sue Ittner > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:45:41 PM > Subject: [pbs] OT-Fires in Southern California > > Hi, > > I am wondering how some of our southern California list members are faring. > I believe Lee Poulsen and Tom Glavich must be really close to the fires in > the Los Angeles area and at the very least be dealing with a lot of smoke. > It would be a relief to hear from some of you that things are all right. > > Mary Sue > > > From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Tue Sep 1 17:31:25 2009 Message-Id: <004f01ca2b4b$b0763980$4001a8c0@lindaj6m8zgi2a> From: "Linda Foulis" Subject: Pacific BX 216 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:32:20 -0600 Hi Dell, #2, #3 (if plenty), #4, #8, Linda Foulis 4620 - 43 Avenue Red Deer, Alberta T4N 3C6 Canada Thank you, Linda -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Dell Sherk Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:34 PM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Cc: 'c'; 'Mark'; 'Macfarlane'; 'Mark Wilcox' Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 216 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 216" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non-US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Jim Waddick: (BULBS) 1. Narcissus pachybulbos Few small bulbs. This rarity is best suited to a mild climate gardens only. It has notoriously large bulbs up to 3 inches in diameter and robust foliage with tiny (teensy) flowers of perfect daffodil shape, but less than 3/4 in. in diameter. It is related to the Tazetta group and flowers though small are very fragrant. 2. Lilium lancifolium 'Flore Pleno' stem bulbils. This is the double flowered Tiger Lily. Flowers are mostly hose-in-hose doubles and long lasting. My plants originate from Ellen Hornig and Paige Woodward and are a mix of these clones. SEEDS: 3. Arum nigrum My favorite Arum. The foliage is plain dark green, but the deep lustrous black spathes peer out ominously from beneath. Easy in half sun or half shade. Plants have proven hardy in Zone 5 for over a decade. Plants originated form Panayoti Kelaidis at the Denver Botanic Garden. 4. Dracunculus vulgaris. An imposing aroid up to 4 ft tall (taller in some locations) and perfectly hardy here. Deep dark red inflorescence is very pungent -not in a good way - but impresses all who see it. These plants share silver marked foliage. Although considered a curiosity, the foliage is very dramatic and the bright red-orange seed heads are ornamental, too. 5. Gladiolus byzantinus These are the small flowered hardy glads native to Europe. My plants come from Dutch stock and are hardy and reliable in Zone 5. Lovely smaller purple flowers. 6. Thalia dealbata This is a large dramatic aquatic rhizomatous perennial and one of these most northerly members of the Marantaceae. Generally defined as hardy to Zone 6 and south, my plants originated in Central Illinois from Stan Tyson. There is no representation on the PBS wiki and I do not recall discussion of this species before. 7. Tulipa clusiana 'Lady Jane' This is a popular species tulip similar to the wild form pictured at http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/TulipaSpeciesOne Proven hardy, easy and vigorous here. 8. Tulipa whittali a smaller species Tulip that came from Dutch stock. The strictly upright cup shaped flowers are essentially orange with streaks of greenish and brownish. See http://www.brentandbeckysbulbs.com/spring/productview/index.php?sku=02-1444 It has proven hardy and easy in Zone 5. From Jim Shields: 9. Some 2.5 yr old seedling bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus (W). These bulbs were not washed, as they will want to start growing as soon as they get wet. They are fairly clean otherwise. rrisclintii 25. Zephyranthes katherinae rubra 26. Zephyranthes 'Sunset Strain' Thank you, Jim W., Jim S., Mike, and Lyn !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Tue Sep 1 17:40:29 2009 Message-Id: <005001ca2b4c$f63381c0$4001a8c0@lindaj6m8zgi2a> From: "Linda Foulis" Subject: Pacific BX 216 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:41:27 -0600 -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Linda Foulis Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:32 PM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 216 Hi Dell, #2, #3 (if plenty), #4, #8, Linda Foulis 4620 - 43 Avenue Red Deer, Alberta T4N 3C6 Canada Thank you, Linda -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Dell Sherk Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:34 PM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Cc: 'c'; 'Mark'; 'Macfarlane'; 'Mark Wilcox' Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 216 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 216" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non-US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Jim Waddick: (BULBS) 1. Narcissus pachybulbos Few small bulbs. This rarity is best suited to a mild climate gardens only. It has notoriously large bulbs up to 3 inches in diameter and robust foliage with tiny (teensy) flowers of perfect daffodil shape, but less than 3/4 in. in diameter. It is related to the Tazetta group and flowers though small are very fragrant. 2. Lilium lancifolium 'Flore Pleno' stem bulbils. This is the double flowered Tiger Lily. Flowers are mostly hose-in-hose doubles and long lasting. My plants originate from Ellen Hornig and Paige Woodward and are a mix of these clones. SEEDS: 3. Arum nigrum My favorite Arum. The foliage is plain dark green, but the deep lustrous black spathes peer out ominously from beneath. Easy in half sun or half shade. Plants have proven hardy in Zone 5 for over a decade. Plants originated form Panayoti Kelaidis at the Denver Botanic Garden. 4. Dracunculus vulgaris. An imposing aroid up to 4 ft tall (taller in some locations) and perfectly hardy here. Deep dark red inflorescence is very pungent -not in a good way - but impresses all who see it. These plants share silver marked foliage. Although considered a curiosity, the foliage is very dramatic and the bright red-orange seed heads are ornamental, too. 5. Gladiolus byzantinus These are the small flowered hardy glads native to Europe. My plants come from Dutch stock and are hardy and reliable in Zone 5. Lovely smaller purple flowers. 6. Thalia dealbata This is a large dramatic aquatic rhizomatous perennial and one of these most northerly members of the Marantaceae. Generally defined as hardy to Zone 6 and south, my plants originated in Central Illinois from Stan Tyson. There is no representation on the PBS wiki and I do not recall discussion of this species before. 7. Tulipa clusiana 'Lady Jane' This is a popular species tulip similar to the wild form pictured at http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/TulipaSpeciesOne Proven hardy, easy and vigorous here. 8. Tulipa whittali a smaller species Tulip that came from Dutch stock. The strictly upright cup shaped flowers are essentially orange with streaks of greenish and brownish. See http://www.brentandbeckysbulbs.com/spring/productview/index.php?sku=02-1444 It has proven hardy and easy in Zone 5. From Jim Shields: 9. Some 2.5 yr old seedling bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus (W). These bulbs were not washed, as they will want to start growing as soon as they get wet. They are fairly clean otherwise. rrisclintii 25. Zephyranthes katherinae rubra 26. Zephyranthes 'Sunset Strain' Thank you, Jim W., Jim S., Mike, and Lyn !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Sep 1 17:47:16 2009 Message-Id: <002001ca2b4d$c09fba50$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Narcissus pachybolbus Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:47:07 -0400 Jim Waddick wrote: “Yes it does look like a paper white in bloom... a very teensy tiny paper white. If anyone is looking for a floral display, a cut flower or any kind of show, this is NOT the Narcissus for you. I consider it a collector's item that I am done collecting and passing along.” Jim Waddick, this makes me wonder if we are growing the same thing as Narcissus pachybolbus. Yes, the flowers are smaller than those of the paperwhites I know, but they are not that much smaller. And the flowers of what I grow as Narcissus pachybolbus are hardly the smallest Narcissus I know – in fact, the flowers of N. pachybolbus are about three times the size of some daffodils. Long ago Bowles pointed out that the apparent size of the flowers of N. pachybolbus is partly a result of so many flowers being crowded onto a disproportionately stout, long stem. He compared the blooms to those of N. dubius. and noted that on a plant of the stature of N. dubius such blooms do not seem so small. If you want to see “teensy tiny” in Narcissus, look to some of the elfin jonquils! Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Tue Sep 1 17:47:22 2009 Message-Id: <005101ca2b4d$f07e84e0$4001a8c0@lindaj6m8zgi2a> From: "Linda Foulis" Subject: apologies and Rhadamanthus germination Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:48:26 -0600 Hello All, My computer and email are a tad wonky lately, not sure what's going on yet besides its age. Must be the heat? But while I'm here, I can't find suggestions on how to start Rhadamanthus seed? Sow on mix and cover with grit? Thanks Linda in hot Red Deer, Alberta, Canada From xerantheum@gmail.com Tue Sep 1 17:57:26 2009 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: apologies and Rhadamanthus germination Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:57:18 -0700 Hi Linda, The Rhadamanthus page on the wiki gives some cultivation information. I would suggest cover slightly with your mix and keep the seeds moist. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Rhadamanthus Nhu Berkeley, CA -- a few heat waves these days Otherwise, the winter-growing amaryllids are popping out -- happy times! On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Linda Foulis wrote: > Hello All, > My computer and email are a tad wonky lately, not sure what's going on yet > besides its age. Must be the heat? > But while I'm here, I can't find suggestions on how to start Rhadamanthus > seed? Sow on mix and cover with grit? > From rherold@yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 18:33:57 2009 Message-Id: <4A9DA13C.6000801@yahoo.com> From: Roy Herold Subject: Rhadamanthus germination Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:33:32 -0400 Linda, I brought back some Rhadamanthus seed from South Africa last November that I collected in a nursery, as opposed to in the wild. Late spring there, obvously. I sowed them in the usual way (gritty soil mix, cover with grit) in April (early spring here, breaking all the rules) and they germinated quickly, in a week as I recall. They have grown happily all summer with no signs of wanting to go dormant. LOTS of water and rainfall have not bothered them. Even the slugs ignored them. They never put up more than a single skinny leaf, however. Now I wonder what they will do this fall/winter in the greenhouse. It will be nice if I can get a year long growing season without having them go dormant. One other note: the wiki note states that they come from the Richtersveld and Namaqualand. In fact they are much more widespread. The ISI selection from a while back comes from near DeRust in the Little Karoo, a good 400 miles from the Richtersveld. The aforementioned seeds that I planted were marked as having come from Calitzdorp (another Little Karoo locality) and Caledon, which is getting even closer to the south coast and has much more rainfall. Off topic, I also brought back some Whiteheadia bifolia (aka Massonia) seeds from South Africa. When I visited Kirstenbosch, Ernst van Jaarsveld was kind enough to offer me seeds, knowing my interest in massonia. I expected him to pull out a seed packet, but instead we went upstairs in the conservatory. He proceeded to jump over the glass into one of the display beds, and found a dried out seed head. Sadly, there were only TWO seeds remaining. I wasn't expecting much when I finally got around to planting them three weeks ago, but they both germinated in about five days. The fresher massonia seed that I planted at the same time are just sitting there. --Roy NW of Boston From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue Sep 1 20:37:27 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Narcissus pachybolbus and other tazettas Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:33:36 -0700 Jim asked,Jane, when do your plants in the open garden bloom? I'm tempted to try a >bulb in the open ground, but February (and March too in some years) here can >be very rough on anything at all tender. I can't remember exactly, but it isn't early -- probably late March. Jane McGary From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Sep 1 21:30:48 2009 Message-Id: <001601ca2b6d$01f60350$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Narcissus pachybolbus and other tazettas Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:30:51 -0400 Jane wrote: "I can't remember exactly, but it isn't early -- probably late March." I asked because in the protected frame here it begins to bloom in early February. Typical Narcissus tazetta cultivars when planted in the open garden push up to meet their doom soon after the turn of the year as long as there is not a dome of hard frozen soil above them. Jim McKenney From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue Sep 1 23:36:16 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: "The Real" Narcissus pachybolbus Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:37:19 -0500 >Jim Waddick wrote: “Yes it does look like a paper white in bloom... a very teensy tiny paper white. >Jim Waddick, this makes me wonder if we are growing the same thing as >Narcissus pachybolbus. Yes, the flowers are smaller than those of the >paperwhites I know, but they are not that much smaller. Dear Jim and all, It should make you wonder. It did me. I went to Google images and the first hit was very wrong from the IBS as an obvious smallish white tazetta. It is not on the PBS wiki So I went to authorities- books written by scientists with pages, words and data. There were 3 sizes list for flower size: 1.2 - 2 cm 1.2 cm 1.7 cm. These average out to 1.5 cm across or barely over 1/2 inch in diameter and that sounds right to me. Further errors on the web showed plants with rounded foliage - my plant has fairly broad flat foliage. I could go on, but my plant seems to agree with that described by authorities from European Garden Flora to Blanchard and others. I suspect there's some imposters out there. Best Jim W. ps I hate to put the source of my original bulb on the spot, but he is on this list if he wishes to speak up. Ahem ?? -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Wed Sep 2 08:20:32 2009 Message-Id: <000601ca2bc7$c1f86c10$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: "The Real" Narcissus pachybolbus Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 08:20:28 -0400 Thanks for that response, Jim Waddick; you've convinced me that what I grow as Narcissus pachybolbus is not likely the real thing. There is a series of images here: http://www.imep-cnrs.com/tassili/listefloreV0.htm which illustrates this species in the wild. Now that I've seen these, I'm inclined to say that my plant is more likely a form of Narcissus tazetta itself, or something intermediate between tazetta and pachybolbus. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Wed Sep 2 09:53:49 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: "The Real" Narcissus pachybolbus Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 08:50:49 -0500 > >There is a series of images here: > > >http://www.imep-cnrs.com/tassili/listefloreV0.htm > Yup That's it. Thanks Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From idavide@sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 2 22:37:35 2009 Message-Id: <903646.75853.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Mystery Irid Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Hi, This spring I planted some bulbs of Gladiolus murielae in a pot.  At the time I wrote a note to myself that I think there are two different kinds of bulbs here.  Well, that turns out to be the case.  The first to bloom was a glorious spike of G murielae which is going to produce seed.  Now, the second bulb has started to bloom.  It's not a Gladiolus at all, with its branched inflorescence.  It's very nice, but I don't know what it is.  I have some photos in Picasa at http://picasaweb.google.com/idavidehrlich/MysteryIrid# Please help me name it. Thanks, David Ehrlich From dkramb@badbear.com Wed Sep 2 22:56:16 2009 Message-Id: <4A9F3072.4010604@badbear.com> From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Mystery Irid Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:56:50 -0400 My guess is a yellow Crocosmia. Dennis in Cincy From klazina@orcon.net.nz Thu Sep 3 00:29:30 2009 Message-Id: <4A9F4628.3030307@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: query yellow flower Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:29:28 +1200 I couldn't think offhand what it was called as here in NZ it is growing at a friends place and becomes a weed. But yes, it looks like the yellow Crocosmia. Ina New Zealand. From r.hursthouse@auckland.ac.nz Thu Sep 3 00:35:57 2009 Message-Id: <63FE886E27AC194FBD77DF8EF8E3E441767E0B269E@artsmail4.ARTSNET.AUCKLAND.AC.NZ> From: Subject: query yellow flower Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:35:47 +1200 Dear Ina, do you really have a friend here in NZ growing the genuinely yellow crocosmia? I wish you would put me in touch with her/him - I garden in Auckland and long for it. Cheers Rosalind -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ina Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 4:29 p.m. To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] re query yellow flower I couldn't think offhand what it was called as here in NZ it is growing at a friends place and becomes a weed. But yes, it looks like the yellow Crocosmia. Ina New Zealand. From klazina@orcon.net.nz Thu Sep 3 00:52:56 2009 Message-Id: <4A9F4B9A.8050505@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: query yellow flower Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:52:42 +1200 Will answer privately. Cheers Ina :-) r.hursthouse@auckland.ac.nz wrote: > Dear Ina, do you really have a friend here in NZ growing the genuinely yellow crocosmia? I wish you would put me in touch with her/him - I garden in Auckland and long for it. > Cheers > Rosalind > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ina > Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2009 4:29 p.m. > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] re query yellow flower > > I couldn't think offhand what it was called as here in NZ it is growing at a friends place and becomes a weed. But yes, it looks like the yellow Crocosmia. > > Ina New Zealand. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > From drpaulbear@xtra.co.nz Thu Sep 3 01:50:15 2009 Message-Id: <546A2292FE254787ACDF64ACB0E3F210@Pauls> From: Subject: query yellow flower Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:50:10 +1200 or is it Chasmanthe floribunda ? From totototo@telus.net Thu Sep 3 14:32:03 2009 Message-Id: <4A9FA92B.14964.8379550@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Mystery Irid Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:31:55 -0700 On 2 Sep 2009, at 19:37, David Ehrlich wrote: > . . . the second bulb has > started to bloom.  It's not a Gladiolus at all, with its branched > inflorescence.  It's very nice, but I don't know what it is.  I have some photos > in Picasa at http://picasaweb.google.com/idavidehrlich/MysteryIrid# > > Please help me name it. Almost certainly a yellow form of Crocosmia. Which cultivar it may be is anybody's guess: there are quite a number of yellow crocosmia cultivars, and I suspect they're badly mixed up in the trade. Or has Wisley conducted a trial of "yellow crocosmias" and published a key that distinguished the cultivars? -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org Thu Sep 3 14:34:59 2009 Message-Id: From: Subject: Pacific Coast lily species Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:35:11 +0100 Could anyone suggest an individual or nursery who would be able and willing to supply either seed or bulbs of three different wild origin provenances of botanical lilium taxa native to the Pacific coastal region of North America please. And or alternatively seed on the same basis. I am happy to pay for the supplied material but would ask for provenance details down to County level as a minimum, preferably closer than that. Any such provenance information WILL NOT be revealed it is just required for the records here at Auchgourish Botanic Garden where we are steadily completing the objective of maintain the International ex situ conservation collection for Lilium, Nomocharis, Notholirion and Cardiocrinum. One exciting bit of news is that during the regular annual comparative review of the collection to date we seem to have turned up again after many years the "missing" Lilium duchartrei var farreri; similar to the nominate form but it seem to be on steroids in several ways . In addition we now have discovered a new taxon from the high mountains of Tibet in section Lophophorum and hope to have that formal description published soon, one of several advantages of holding a reference collection of any genus, it provides an opportunity to spot new comers more easily. If anyone is able to help with bulbs, small ones will do but please do not trim the roots, that is the fastest way to make survival on arrival extremely difficult, which is maybe why the big wholesalers (especially in Europe) do trim the roots back to the base plate in order to ensure repeat orders when the first lot die soon afterwards leaving the poor Gardner to think its his/her fault. Washed roots fine, trimmed off roots a disaster! Any ideas and suggestion will be much appreciated and will be acknowledged in the appropriate manner in the text of the new Monograph. I am trying to short circuit the timescales for photography as the intention is to have a coloured photograph of every known botanical taxon at species and subspecies levels, something which has never been done previously and I would hope would be a useful aid in identification for the liliophiles amongst us. Please contact me direct if able to help or suggest anyone who might do so. Very many thanks, Iain info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 108379 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From mikemace@att.net Thu Sep 3 16:01:35 2009 Message-Id: <002501ca2cd1$530abc80$f9203580$@net> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Mystery Irid Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:01:27 -0700 David wrote: >> Please help me name it. I agree with the folks who said it's a Crocosmia. Check out the photo here for comparison: http://www.simplesite.com/CROCOSMIA/5330368?i=11111586 I've grown the yellow form of Chasmanthe floribunda, and the flowers are more tubular than what you have here. Mike From idavide@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 3 17:22:57 2009 Message-Id: <185143.64973.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Mystery Irid (yellow Crocosmia) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Thank you all for your replies.  After doing some keying out as best I could, I am convinced this is a cultivar or hybrid of Crocosmia aurea. Thanks again, David Ehrlich From kjblack@pacbell.net Thu Sep 3 18:13:09 2009 Message-Id: <805627.55471.qm@web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ken Subject: Cyrtanthus herrei blooming now Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:13:08 -0700 (PDT) I have this blooming now.  Hoping for seed.  I also plan to move the bulb later as its current site has grown too shady ... any advice?   http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3884857237/   Ken San Diego USDA Zone 10-11   From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Thu Sep 3 22:37:55 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Cryptostephanus blooming now? Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:55:15 -0500 Dear Friends, I was surprised to see a tiny pale flower in a shady area and traced it back to a plant of Cryptostephanus vansonii. This is the 'pink' form although in the current warm weather I doubt it will show much pink color. This hasn't bloomed for me all that often and I seem to recall it blooming in spring, not late summer. I checked out the wiki http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Cryptostephanus and see that Lee Poulsen blooms his in Oct. so maybe this isn't so far off. What is the usual bloom time in northern gardens? Any other reports? Thanks Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From jshields@indy.net Fri Sep 4 09:38:34 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090904093710.025fdb50@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Cryptostephanus blooming now? Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:39:16 -0400 I grow my Cryptostephanus vansonii in the Clivia greenhouse. The vansonii seem to bloom at odd times throughout the year, but probably mainly in winter. Maybe I should start keeping track of when they bloom? Jim Shields in central Indiana, USA At 05:55 PM 9/3/2009 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Friends, > I was surprised to see a tiny pale flower in a shady area and >traced it back to a plant of Cryptostephanus vansonii. This is the >'pink' form although in the current warm weather I doubt it will show >much pink color. > > This hasn't bloomed for me all that often and I seem to >recall it blooming in spring, not late summer. I checked out the wiki > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Cryptostephanus > and see that Lee Poulsen blooms his in Oct. so maybe this >isn't so far off. > > What is the usual bloom time in northern gardens? Any other reports? > > Thanks Jim W. ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From Pelarg@aol.com Fri Sep 4 10:33:01 2009 Message-Id: <8CBFB83ABC512E9-1F68-25A8@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> From: pelarg@aol.com Subject: Cryptostephanus blooming now? Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:32:31 -0400 Two of my plants of C. vansonii grown from seed from Silverhill flowered this year, both in spring.? They were probably 2-3 years old, and are easy to grow. The plants remind me of small clivia plants, the flowers are quite different, not stunningly showy but worth having anyway. Ernie DeMarie Z6/7 Tuckahoe NY Crocosmia aurea is in full bloom in the gardens now, first flowers on Gladiolus candidus from SH seeds, very cool long tubed narrow petaled white stars. Wasps are attacking and shredding a clone of G. dalenii flowers in my school garden (for nectar?) but leave?same clone at home alone, as well as any other clone or other glad at school. plantblog:http://geraniosgarden.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: James Waddick To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:55 pm Subject: [pbs] Cryptostephanus blooming now? Dear Friends, I was surprised to see a tiny pale flower in a shady area and traced it back to a plant of Cryptostephanus vansonii. This is the 'pink' form although in the current warm weather I doubt it will show much pink color. This hasn't bloomed for me all that often and I seem to recall it blooming in spring, not late summer. I checked out the wiki http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Cryptostephanus and see that Lee Poulsen blooms his in Oct. so maybe this isn't so far off. What is the usual bloom time in northern gardens? Any other reports? Thanks Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From tom@evolution-plants.com Fri Sep 4 14:02:45 2009 Message-Id: <25C28ED4-BF64-4EFF-B724-A6C24C97D4EC@evolution-plants.com> From: Tom Mitchell Subject: Mystery Irid Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:00:14 +0100 As several others have suggested, I agree that the plant is a Crocosmia. It looks like a form of C. aurea or C. masoniorum or perhaps a cross between the two, of which there are several good examples, e.g. 'Comet'. the book to consult is Crocosmia and Chasmanthe by Goldblatt, Manning and Dunlop. Gary Dunlop owns Ballyrogan Nurseries in Northern Ireland and probably knows more about this genus in cultivation than anyone. His email address (which isn't a State secret, since you can readily find it via Google) is gary.dunlop[at]btinternet.com. He may be able to put a name on it for you. From totototo@telus.net Fri Sep 4 14:55:24 2009 Message-Id: <4AA10024.21493.2AF0510@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Pacific Coast lily species Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:55:16 -0700 On 3 Sep 2009, at 19:35, info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org wrote: > Could anyone suggest an individual or nursery ... able and willing to > supply ... seed or bulbs of three different wild origin provenances of > botanical lilium taxa native to the Pacific coastal region of North America... Your message is, I am afraid, unclear. Are you looking for specific lily taxa, specific locations, specific lilies from specific locations, or any old lily from any three distinct locations? If you are interested in specific taxa, what are they? If specific locations, where are they? -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From dkramb@badbear.com Fri Sep 4 19:42:34 2009 Message-Id: <4AA1A617.409@badbear.com> From: Dennis Kramb Subject: off topic, Ruellia question Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:43:19 -0400 This is off-topic, so I'll keep it short. Do any of you grow that black foliage Ruellia that was distributed a few years ago via NARGS seed ex? Mine never germinated and I'd love to try it again. My native Ruellias are spreading happily throughout my beds, and I love them! Dennis in Cincinnati (where signs of autumn are becoming more pronounced) From ksayce@willapabay.org Fri Sep 4 20:34:10 2009 Message-Id: From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Pacific Coast lily seeds Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:33:36 -0700 I'll be sending Lilium columbianum seeds to Dell with others in a few days, so watch the BX offerings. You may contact me separately to find out exactly where I collected it. Kathleen From organicprincipal@gmail.com Fri Sep 4 20:37:23 2009 Message-Id: <6ef2e7d40909041737n1b76ed46kff923d25f98ae2f9@mail.gmail.com> From: anthony matthews Subject: bulb growing Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:37:20 -0700 hi, i am new to the list and look forward to all the great info. i am preparing to enter the bulb growing business, focusing on Narcissus and Lilium, and would welcome any advice or insight from other members who may be in same profession. good or bad, i look forward to hearing it. best regards anthony i live on Salt Spring Island, in British Columbia, Canada. Zone 8-ish, cool moist winters and cool dry summers. -- anthony matthews www.organicprinciple.com From paige@hillkeep.ca Fri Sep 4 22:24:11 2009 Message-Id: <73C1504C0299440B88DD82DDED3AB518@m6u3j5> From: "Pacific Rim" Subject: bulb growing Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:23:20 -0700 Hello, Anthony. Good heavens, you live in my bailiwick but I was not aware of you until now. Both Narcissus and Lilium are genera broad enough to encompass several climates and many,.many recipes for propagation. All bulbs I have met are canny: smite theory and produce at least a few first-year thread leaves under almost any conditions. PBS readers at large: Salt Spring Island, aka Saltspring, is one of the Gulf Islands between Vancouver Island and the SW coast of British Columbia. Members of the same archipelago south of the border, off Washington State, are called the San Juan islands. Some of you are probably aware of at least two excellent growers of uncommon perennials and bulbs on Salt Spring, one out of business for several years, the other Thimble Farms, http://www.thimblefarms.com/ . I would not consider growing both Narcissus and Lilium in quantity. Their demands are too different. You would have neither holidays nor efficiency. Not that I can boast either. Paige Woodward paige@hillkeep.ca www.hillkeep.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "anthony matthews" To: Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: [pbs] bulb growing > hi, > > i am new to the list and look forward to all the great info. > > i am preparing to enter the bulb growing business, focusing on Narcissus > and > Lilium, and would welcome any advice or insight from other members who may > be in same profession. good or bad, i look forward to hearing it. > > best regards > anthony > > i live on Salt Spring Island, in British Columbia, Canada. Zone 8-ish, > cool > moist winters and cool dry summers. > > -- > anthony matthews > www.organicprinciple.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Fri Sep 4 23:10:20 2009 Message-Id: <4AA1D699.6030802@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Cryptostephanus blooming now? Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:10:17 -0700 Unlike Clivia miniata, which in my area flower the vast majority of the time on a strict annual schedule where you start seeing the scape appear down in the bottom of the leaves usually in February (late winter/early spring) and flowering for about a month starting in March or so, my Cryptostephanus vansonii don't seem to have any schedule that I can ascertain. Flowers seem to appear at random times throughout the year. Now I've only had a well-growing C. haemanthoides for 2 growing seasons so far, but this year it appears to be growing like gangbusters. I don't know if this has anything to do with the unusually mild summer we had until it suddenly became unbearably hot with very little cooling at night (and very smoky with ash every day for the more than a week now) I'm not sure when it flowers, if it does so at some specific season. But I hope this year or next it will flower for me. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a James Waddick wrote: > Dear Friends, > I was surprised to see a tiny pale flower in a shady area and > traced it back to a plant of Cryptostephanus vansonii. This is the > 'pink' form although in the current warm weather I doubt it will show > much pink color. > > This hasn't bloomed for me all that often and I seem to > recall it blooming in spring, not late summer. I checked out the wiki > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Cryptostephanus > and see that Lee Poulsen blooms his in Oct. so maybe this > isn't so far off. > > What is the usual bloom time in northern gardens? Any other reports? > > Thanks Jim W. > > > From organicprincipal@gmail.com Fri Sep 4 23:41:01 2009 Message-Id: <6ef2e7d40909042040m10e4e022n6937e5aacc3f2f03@mail.gmail.com> From: anthony matthews Subject: bulb growing Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 20:40:50 -0700 paige et al, aw, but i have been salivating over your offerings (and have purchased some things) for some time. there are many many genera of geophytes i am interested in, Narcissus appeals to me as a future grower in its broad general public appeal and deer proof status (though i am now concerned about the Large Fly, never encountered this back east in Toronto) and i want to focus on heritage pre-war cultivars. regarding Lilium, it is one of my favorite genera, and north american species are my interest. yes, richard at thimblefarms is an awesome grower, and i spent some months at a bench in his greenhouse pricking out seedlings and potting up. is there a better compliment to Narcissus? how about Frittilaria? please keep the comments coming. anthony On 9/4/09, Pacific Rim wrote: > > Hello, Anthony. Good heavens, you live in my bailiwick but I was not aware > of you until now. > > Both Narcissus and Lilium are genera broad enough to encompass several > climates and many,.many recipes for propagation. All bulbs I have met are > canny: smite theory and produce at least a few first-year thread leaves > under almost any conditions. > > PBS readers at large: Salt Spring Island, aka Saltspring, is one of the > Gulf > Islands between Vancouver Island and the SW coast of British Columbia. > Members of the same archipelago south of the border, off Washington State, > are called the San Juan islands. > > Some of you are probably aware of at least two excellent growers of > uncommon > perennials and bulbs on Salt Spring, one out of business for several years, > the other Thimble Farms, http://www.thimblefarms.com/ . > > I would not consider growing both Narcissus and Lilium in quantity. Their > demands are too different. You would have neither holidays nor efficiency. > > Not that I can boast either. > > Paige Woodward > paige@hillkeep.ca > www.hillkeep.ca > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anthony matthews" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:37 PM > Subject: [pbs] bulb growing > > > > hi, > > > > i am new to the list and look forward to all the great info. > > > > i am preparing to enter the bulb growing business, focusing on Narcissus > > and > > Lilium, and would welcome any advice or insight from other members who > may > > be in same profession. good or bad, i look forward to hearing it. > > > > best regards > > anthony > > > > i live on Salt Spring Island, in British Columbia, Canada. Zone 8-ish, > > cool > > moist winters and cool dry summers. > > > > -- > > anthony matthews > > www.organicprinciple.com > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- anthony matthews www.organicprinciple.com From voltaire@islandnet.com Sat Sep 5 01:13:10 2009 Message-Id: <8FFAB1F4-E214-46C7-A264-8E074ABD0581@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: bulb growing Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:11:48 -0700 Anthony, Well, I don't know about frits, though they are popular enough to have their own society. I'm hoping someone takes up potting freesias locally. I used to buy pots of freesias in bloom - wonderful scent - but there haven't been any available for a long time. Do bulbs need to provide your livelihood or will they just supplement another income? Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers From ashleycooper@embarqmail.com Sat Sep 5 03:02:45 2009 Message-Id: <8F33E6119B034727A6C3776F278967B9@mykenew> From: "Myke Ashley-Cooper" Subject: Amorphophallus titanum Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 03:02:11 -0400 I have bought a few bulbs of Amorphophallus titanum on eBay and would appreciate guidance on keeping these healthy, particularly when they are in their dormant phase. Thanks in anticipation Myke From balberth@yahoo.com Sat Sep 5 03:10:43 2009 Message-Id: <379434.26230.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Albert Huntington Subject: Amorphophallus titanum Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 00:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Myke, The most important thing is to keep it dry during dormancy. Otherwise, the things seem to like heat, light and quite a bit of fertilizer. Cooler temperatures, poor drainage and wet are the main things to keep it away from. The International Aroid Society has more information on general Amorphophallus culture at http://www.aroid.org/genera/amorphophallus/amcult.php There's also a culture sheet at http://www.aroid.org/genera/amorphophallus/bonnculture/ Best of luck, --Albert ----- Original Message ---- From: Myke Ashley-Cooper To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 12:02:11 AM Subject: [pbs] Amorphophallus titanum I have bought a few bulbs of Amorphophallus titanum on eBay and would appreciate guidance on keeping these healthy, particularly when they are in their dormant phase. Thanks in anticipation Myke From ashleycooper@embarqmail.com Sat Sep 5 03:27:25 2009 Message-Id: <51332F11D9AC40759E1F8FA5EF94E2BC@mykenew> From: "Myke Ashley-Cooper" Subject: Amorphophallus titanum Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 03:26:57 -0400 Many thanks, Albert, for these superb links. They supply everything I need to know! Regards Myke ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Huntington To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: 05 09, 2009 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Amorphophallus titanum Myke, The most important thing is to keep it dry during dormancy. Otherwise, the things seem to like heat, light and quite a bit of fertilizer. Cooler temperatures, poor drainage and wet are the main things to keep it away from. The International Aroid Society has more information on general Amorphophallus culture at http://www.aroid.org/genera/amorphophallus/amcult.php There's also a culture sheet at http://www.aroid.org/genera/amorphophallus/bonnculture/ Best of luck, --Albert ----- Original Message ---- From: Myke Ashley-Cooper To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 12:02:11 AM Subject: [pbs] Amorphophallus titanum I have bought a few bulbs of Amorphophallus titanum on eBay and would appreciate guidance on keeping these healthy, particularly when they are in their dormant phase. Thanks in anticipation Myke From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sat Sep 5 09:15:02 2009 Message-Id: <000601ca2e2a$d998bbd0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: off topic, Ruellia question Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:14:50 -0400 Dennis wrote: “Do any of you grow that black foliage Ruellia that was distributed a few years ago via NARGS seed ex?“ Dennis, do you mean seed of the dwarfish one distributed by Sasha Borkovec? If so, it’s funny that you should be asking today: I was visiting Sasha yesterday to pick up some plants four the September plant exchange of our local rock garden club. I noticed the dark-foliaged form here and there in his garden, some still in bloom. I won’t be able to contact him again for a week or two, but when I get the chance I’ll ask him if he has any current seed. BTW, he distributed that seed to several members of our local group and all seem to have had trouble germinating it. I have not tried my lot yet – it’s been in the fridge since he gave it to me. If he did not collect seed this year, I’ll share mine with you (there’s not much!). Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From to.sa@comhem.se Sat Sep 5 09:31:33 2009 Message-Id: From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: Bulb forum Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 15:30:07 +0200 Hi all, I have taken a very easy way to start a small forum about bulbous species via my amstaff forum which I started in Aug 2005, I will show pictures, tell you about seeds, offsets etc if I succed with my plants. Not much info yet but by time it will come more and more hopefully? And I hope all of you will write about your collections and experience about bulbs etc. Right now this room is open for all but by time if necessary I can make it available only for members. Here is the link: http://amstaffdogs.eu/viewtopic.php?t=7083 Best regards Tomas S From paph2@earthlink.net Sat Sep 5 09:45:39 2009 Message-Id: From: Harold Koopowitz Subject: Cryptostephanus blooming now? Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:45:30 -0700 Hi Lee: Crypt haemanthoides has a regular season, usually flowering from July though to the end of September. Mine is currently in flower. Harold At 08:10 PM 9/4/2009, you wrote: >Unlike Clivia miniata, which in my area flower the vast majority of the >time on a strict annual schedule where you start seeing the scape appear >down in the bottom of the leaves usually in February (late winter/early >spring) and flowering for about a month starting in March or so, my >Cryptostephanus vansonii don't seem to have any schedule that I can >ascertain. Flowers seem to appear at random times throughout the year. >Now I've only had a well-growing C. haemanthoides for 2 growing seasons >so far, but this year it appears to be growing like gangbusters. I don't >know if this has anything to do with the unusually mild summer we had >until it suddenly became unbearably hot with very little cooling at >night (and very smoky with ash every day for the more than a week now) > >I'm not sure when it flowers, if it does so at some specific season. But >I hope this year or next it will flower for me. > >--Lee Poulsen >Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a > > >James Waddick wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I was surprised to see a tiny pale flower in a shady area and > > traced it back to a plant of Cryptostephanus vansonii. This is the > > 'pink' form although in the current warm weather I doubt it will show > > much pink color. > > > > This hasn't bloomed for me all that often and I seem to > > recall it blooming in spring, not late summer. I checked out the wiki > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Cryptostephanus > > and see that Lee Poulsen blooms his in Oct. so maybe this > > isn't so far off. > > > > What is the usual bloom time in northern gardens? Any other reports? > > > > Thanks Jim W. > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From plicht@berkeley.edu Sat Sep 5 10:40:08 2009 Message-Id: <4AA2782D.4010807@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: Amorphophallus titanum care and acquisition Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:39:41 -0700 Albert's advice on the care of the titan arum are good but I would like to point out that there is some controversy. Here at Berkeley, we always keep large dormant tubers bone dry but in an otherwise moist greenhouse (in the back of our Tropical House). However, I know of several other people who insist on light watering, every week or two. In the past year, we have been growing the titan seedlings for sale and when a few went dormant, I kept them warm and wet and discovered that they started resprouting in a few weeks. At 1.5yrs, some have already produced 3 leaves, each larger, (usually simultaneously) and tubers have grown to 30-50cm (I haven't even measured those on the largest plants). A few other things I've learned is that these growing plants can be easily repotted during even vigorous growth without any setup. I am now potting up as soon as I see roots coming out of the pots (mostly 1 gal); some plants have reached 1.5 -2ft (all planted spring 2008). Be sure to use a VERY well draining mix (we use lots of pumice) in a standard coir potting mix. If anyone graves titan, please let us know. I think we can supply much cheaper than on ebay. Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mystery Irid (Tom Mitchell) > 2. Re: Pacific Coast lily species (totototo@telus.net) > 3. off topic, Ruellia question (Dennis Kramb) > 4. Pacific Coast lily seeds (Kathleen Sayce) > 5. bulb growing (anthony matthews) > 6. Re: bulb growing (Pacific Rim) > 7. Re: Cryptostephanus blooming now? (Lee Poulsen) > 8. Re: bulb growing (anthony matthews) > 9. Re: bulb growing (Diane Whitehead) > 10. Amorphophallus titanum (Myke Ashley-Cooper) > 11. Re: Amorphophallus titanum (Albert Huntington) > 12. Re: Amorphophallus titanum (Myke Ashley-Cooper) > 13. Re: off topic, Ruellia question (Jim McKenney) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:00:14 +0100 > From: Tom Mitchell > Subject: Re: [pbs] Mystery Irid > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > <25C28ED4-BF64-4EFF-B724-A6C24C97D4EC@evolution-plants.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > As several others have suggested, I agree that the plant is a > Crocosmia. It looks like a form of C. aurea or C. masoniorum or > perhaps a cross between the two, of which there are several good > examples, e.g. 'Comet'. the book to consult is Crocosmia and > Chasmanthe by Goldblatt, Manning and Dunlop. Gary Dunlop owns > Ballyrogan Nurseries in Northern Ireland and probably knows more > about this genus in cultivation than anyone. His email address (which > isn't a State secret, since you can readily find it via Google) is > gary.dunlop[at]btinternet.com. He may be able to put a name on it for > you. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:55:16 -0700 > From: totototo@telus.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Coast lily species > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <4AA10024.21493.2AF0510@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 3 Sep 2009, at 19:35, info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org wrote: > > >> Could anyone suggest an individual or nursery ... able and willing to >> supply ... seed or bulbs of three different wild origin provenances of >> botanical lilium taxa native to the Pacific coastal region of North America... >> > > Your message is, I am afraid, unclear. Are you looking for specific lily taxa, > specific locations, specific lilies from specific locations, or any old lily > from any three distinct locations? > > If you are interested in specific taxa, what are they? If specific locations, > where are they? > > > From plicht@berkeley.edu Sat Sep 5 10:43:30 2009 Message-Id: <4AA278FA.2070506@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: Brunsvigia josephine blooming Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:43:06 -0700 For those of you near the SF Bay Area, we have an enormous Brunsvigia josephine coming into bloom this week at the UC Botanical Garden; it should be fully opened in the next few days. I've noticed that the giant bulbs (larger than footballs) tend to split to form mutliple bulbs but may initially miss a bloom when they first do this. We've also had our first B. marginata bloom this past week and its trully spectacular. Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mystery Irid (Tom Mitchell) > 2. Re: Pacific Coast lily species (totototo@telus.net) > 3. off topic, Ruellia question (Dennis Kramb) > 4. Pacific Coast lily seeds (Kathleen Sayce) > 5. bulb growing (anthony matthews) > 6. Re: bulb growing (Pacific Rim) > 7. Re: Cryptostephanus blooming now? (Lee Poulsen) > 8. Re: bulb growing (anthony matthews) > 9. Re: bulb growing (Diane Whitehead) > 10. Amorphophallus titanum (Myke Ashley-Cooper) > 11. Re: Amorphophallus titanum (Albert Huntington) > 12. Re: Amorphophallus titanum (Myke Ashley-Cooper) > 13. Re: off topic, Ruellia question (Jim McKenney) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:00:14 +0100 > From: Tom Mitchell > Subject: Re: [pbs] Mystery Irid > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > <25C28ED4-BF64-4EFF-B724-A6C24C97D4EC@evolution-plants.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > As several others have suggested, I agree that the plant is a > Crocosmia. It looks like a form of C. aurea or C. masoniorum or > perhaps a cross between the two, of which there are several good > examples, e.g. 'Comet'. the book to consult is Crocosmia and > Chasmanthe by Goldblatt, Manning and Dunlop. Gary Dunlop owns > Ballyrogan Nurseries in Northern Ireland and probably knows more > about this genus in cultivation than anyone. His email address (which > isn't a State secret, since you can readily find it via Google) is > gary.dunlop[at]btinternet.com. He may be able to put a name on it for > you. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:55:16 -0700 > From: totototo@telus.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Coast lily species > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <4AA10024.21493.2AF0510@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 3 Sep 2009, at 19:35, info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org wrote: > > >> Could anyone suggest an individual or nursery ... able and willing to >> supply ... seed or bulbs of three different wild origin provenances of >> botanical lilium taxa native to the Pacific coastal region of North America... >> > > Your message is, I am afraid, unclear. Are you looking for specific lily taxa, > specific locations, specific lilies from specific locations, or any old lily > from any three distinct locations? > > If you are interested in specific taxa, what are they? If specific locations, > where are they? > > > From donjournet@netspace.net.au Sun Sep 6 05:48:11 2009 Message-Id: <4AA3854F.7080803@netspace.net.au> From: Don Journet Subject: Veltheimia from seed Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:47:59 +1000 Veltheimia bracteata from seed Some years ago I took part in a discussion on germinating Veltheimia seed in which the use of 'smoke water' or smoking the seed trays was recommended. At that time I indicated that I was surprised that there should be a need to carry out such measures as my seed was germinating with 95% success rate. After some debate I concluded that my success was due to the very fresh nature of the seed I was using. Now that some years have passed and I have accumulated a store of seed that is no longer fresh I decided to try some seed from 2004. Germination has still been at least 90% successful. This note is simply to add to the observation made back in what ever year it was (have no record of the e-mail from then). Regards Don Journet Bacchus Marsh Victoria Australia From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 6 07:03:23 2009 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Veltheimia from seed Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 12:01:54 +0100 In message <4AA3854F.7080803@netspace.net.au>, Don Journet writes >Germination has still been at least 90% successful. This note is simply >to add to the observation made back in what ever year it was (have no >record of the e-mail from then). Search from http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php suggests: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/old.php/2007-May/028313.html http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/old.php/2004-January/016813.html http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/old.php/2002-December/005963.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From jshields104@comcast.net Sun Sep 6 09:53:48 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090906094209.02644050@mail.comcast.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Colchicum Are Starting Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 09:54:43 -0400 Hi all, My colchicums are starting to bloom, so summer is pretty much over here. The first up were a few of 'The Giant' by one of the greenhouses, then scattered clumps of C. cilicium and C. byzantinum started to pop up. The last to bloom will probably be the C. speciosum naturalized in the front lawn. The Lycoris caldwellii are still in bloom, and they are the very last of my Lycoris to bloom. L. 'Sky Over Sky' is also in bloom, and looks much like the caldwellii. Jim Waddick, do you have any idea what the parent of 'Sky Over Sky' might have been? I think next summer I will have to separate the clump of 'Sky Over Sky' and some of the caldwellii clumps and line them out. They are too nice to keep all to myself. A couple weeks ago, I got my first bloom on Brunsvigia litoralis. I planted the seeds, received from Sliverhill Seeds, in 1999. Only one other bulb from that batch survives, and it has not bloomed yet. B. litoralis is not the most impressive flower I ever saw! A picture will be in my re-activated blog at http://www.shieldsgardens.com/Blogs/Garden/index.html if anyone is interested. The entry should be posted by this evening. My only bulb of Haemanthus dasyphyllus is trying to bloom, but I'm afraid the scape will not elongate out of the bulb. One of my Haemanthus [barkerae X coccineus] also had a failed first bloom attempt this season. That particular clone looks promising in any case, as it is much larger than its siblings. Jim Shields in Westfield, Indiana USA ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From to.sa@comhem.se Mon Sep 7 02:56:04 2009 Message-Id: <160E8068-10E9-4357-B69A-21586570D427@comhem.se> From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: Pictures of Sadoxus cinnabarinus? Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:55:32 +0200 Hi again, Now I have put two photos of my presumed S cinnabarinus, one picture of the leafes and one of the flowerbud? Here is the link: http://amstaffdogs.eu/viewforum.php?f=114 Best regards Tomas S From xerantheum@gmail.com Mon Sep 7 12:01:27 2009 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Veltheimia from seed Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:01:26 -0700 Don, That's really valuable information to know. How did you store your seeds? Nhu Berkeley, CA -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Don Journet wrote: > Veltheimia bracteata from seed > > Now that some years have passed and I have accumulated a store of > seed that is no longer fresh I decided to try some seed from 2004. > Germination has still been at least 90% successful. > From alessandro.marinohob@alice.it Mon Sep 7 15:27:57 2009 Message-Id: <39411924C42B40AD8EF8A2B2B8CCB358@microsof9092fb> From: "alessandro.marinello" Subject: Pictures of Sadoxus cinnabarinus? Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:27:44 +0200 Tomas they are not sure to the hundreds for hundreds, but creed is not S. cinnabarinus Alessandro Marinello Padova Italy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Sandberg" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: [pbs] Pictures of Sadoxus cinnabarinus? > Hi again, > > Now I have put two photos of my presumed S cinnabarinus, one picture > of the leafes and one of the flowerbud? > Here is the link: http://amstaffdogs.eu/viewforum.php?f=114 > > > Best regards > Tomas S > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From johannes-ulrich-urban@T-Online.de Mon Sep 7 17:23:26 2009 Message-Id: <1MklgC-08wuh60@fwd05.aul.t-online.de> From: "Uli Urban" Subject: email not working? Date: 07 Sep 2009 21:23 GMT Dear Dell, Sorry to have to use this forum to contact you but for some reasons the emails I sent you keep being returned except the one you confirmed. Is it my computer that is the cause? the net? A spam filter of yours? Sorry again and greetings from Germany, Uli From to.sa@comhem.se Tue Sep 8 18:49:46 2009 Message-Id: <4956C3E5-0047-4DFE-9B64-F5D500A095CC@comhem.se> From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: S. cinnabarinus and G. hyacinthina Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 00:49:29 +0200 Hi all, I would really appreciate if some one could send me a picture of a real cinnabarinus, because this species is right now a mystery for me. Many pictures of this species on the net isn't cinnabarinus and I have seen several pictures of this species that doesn't look similar neither in spite of that many of these pictures are named to be cinnabarinus even from a few reliable sources. And now after 1 year my G. hyacinthina has started to grow and a small leaf has sprout. http://www.amstaffdogs.eu/viewtopic.php?p=62640#62640 Best regards Tomas Sandberg Sweden From mikemace@att.net Tue Sep 8 20:53:25 2009 Message-Id: <002301ca30e7$efab4cc0$cf01e640$@net> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Brunsvigia josephinae blooming Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:53:24 -0700 Paul wrote: >> We've also had our first B. marginata bloom this past week and its trully spectacular. Let me second that. I visited the garden today, and if you live in the area it's worth a detour just to see those flowers. Photos don't really do justice to B. marginata. It's the brightest shade of scarlet I could imagine, with the same sparkly "diamond dust" effect that you get on Nerines -- but a much bigger flower head. I can't imagine what a field full of those things in South Africa would look like. Now if only mine would bloom. Any decade now... Mike San Jose, CA From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Sep 8 22:55:24 2009 Message-Id: <002c01ca30f8$f94ac510$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: × Amarcrinum Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:55:22 -0400 × Amarcrinum For several years I’ve been watching a planting of × Amarcrinum in a local garden. I had an errand in that neighborhood today, and I took my camera with me in case the plants were in bloom. Yes they were! And by the looks of it, they had been in bloom for a while – there were scapes present with nothing but the remains of spent blooms. At the same time, there were scapes which had only recently emerged and whose buds had not yet opened. There are several things about this plant which recommend it strongly for our zone 7 eastern gardens. For one thing, it’s evidently hardy and reliable. For another, it does a good imitation of Amaryllis belladonna. It makes a nice compliment to Lycoris × squamigera because it begins to bloom as the Lycoris is quitting. In past years I’ve known this clump to be in bloom in late October – so it has a long potential blooming period. But best of all, it’s a good plant for small gardens – something I’m reluctant to say of most Crinum. Look at the foliage in the images linked below: compared to that of most Crinum it’s tidy. (After I wrote that, I checked the wiki and was pleased to see that whoever wrote the introduction to × Amarcrinum used exactly the same word). To judge by what I see on the PBS wiki, this one is ‘Fred Howard’. The owner of the garden where they grow received them years ago as “resurrection lilies” and he evidently had never heard of × Amarcrinum. If anyone would like to add any of these to the wiki, let me know. Take a look here: http://jimmckenney.com/x_amarcrinum_in_a_local_garden.htm Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From contact@bulbargence.com Wed Sep 9 01:32:24 2009 Message-Id: From: "contact" Subject: × Amarcrinum Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:32:16 +0200 Hello , I cannot resist to join in Jim's remarks. Allthough not a great fan of hybrids, I make a definite exception for this plant: it seems to combine all the good points of both parents and is suitablet for all types of gardens and climates. Even in a very dry mediterranean garden , it seems to come to life again by the end of August. An other hybrid that can be pût in the same catagory of very good garden plants is Amarine (x Nerine powelli xCrinum moorei) ,which flowers abundantly, but later in Octobre-November. Kind greetings Lauw de Jager www.bulbargence.com South of France 8 Sep 2009 Jim McKenney wrote But best of all, it’s a good plant for small gardens – something I’m reluctant to say of most Crinum. Look at the foliage in the images linked below: compared to that of most Crinum it’s tidy. From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 9 07:06:56 2009 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: × Amarcrinum Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:05:27 +0100 In message , contact writes come to life again by the end of August. An other hybrid that can be pût in the same catagory of very good garden plants is Amarine (x Nerine powelli xCrinum moorei) If anyone has pictures of Amarine they'd like to add to the PBS wiki, drop me a private email. I hope my xAmarcrinum turn out to look as good as the ones in Jim's photos. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From carlobal@netzero.net Wed Sep 9 09:32:48 2009 Message-Id: From: "Carlo A. Balistrieri" Subject: off topic, Ruellia question Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:40:34 -0400 That'd be Ruellia ciliata f. depressa. I got some of the seed and, without any special treatment germinated and grew on 5 plants which have been blooming for weeks... Carlo A. Balistrieri, Executive Director The Gardens at Turtle Point Tuxedo Park, NY 845.351.2849 Zone 6 www.twitter.com/BotanicalGarden www.BotanicalGardening.com and its BGBlog www.CarloBalistrieri.com and its "I shutter to think..." blog From pollards22@yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 09:45:08 2009 Message-Id: <726154.36775.qm@web43514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> From: Shawn Pollard Subject: × Amarcrinum Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Dear all, Every Amarcrinum plant I've received, from the BX or otherwise, has had its leaves mottled, striped, or distorted by what I think is a virus. The leaves in these pictures don't appear too bad from the distance used in the photographs. Are there "clean" sources for Amarcrinum? Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ ________________________________ From: Jim McKenney To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 7:55:22 PM Subject: [pbs] × Amarcrinum × Amarcrinum Take a look here: http://jimmckenney.com/x_amarcrinum_in_a_local_garden.htm From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Wed Sep 9 09:47:05 2009 Message-Id: <001101ca3154$021588a0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: off topic, Ruellia question Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:47:01 -0400 Carlo, do your plants have dark (as in dark purplish black) foliage? Jim McKenney From carlobal@netzero.net Wed Sep 9 10:06:33 2009 Message-Id: From: "Carlo A. Balistrieri" Subject: off topic, Ruellia question Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:13:43 -0400 Jim, Yes they do. They don't grow very fast...but they were still blooming this weekend. On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Jim McKenney wrote: > Carlo, do your plants have dark (as in dark purplish black) foliage? > > Jim McKenney > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > Carlo A. Balistrieri, Executive Director The Gardens at Turtle Point Tuxedo Park, NY 845.351.2849 Zone 6 www.twitter.com/BotanicalGarden www.BotanicalGardening.com and its BGBlog www.CarloBalistrieri.com and its "I shutter to think..." blog From xerics@cox.net Wed Sep 9 11:00:55 2009 Message-Id: <001b01ca315e$4e8bebc0$eba3c340$@net> From: "Richard" Subject: × Amarcrinum Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:00:44 -0700 The bulbs I sent to the BX last month never produced diseased leaves. Richard Wagner Vista, CA -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Pollard Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:45 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] × Amarcrinum Dear all, Every Amarcrinum plant I've received, from the BX or otherwise, has had its leaves mottled, striped, or distorted by what I think is a virus. The leaves in these pictures don't appear too bad from the distance used in the photographs. Are there "clean" sources for Amarcrinum? Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ From HHeaven77@aol.com Wed Sep 9 11:33:41 2009 Message-Id: <8CBFF79FB900AD2-2DD8-34C1D@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> From: hheaven77@aol.com Subject: × Amarcrinum Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:33:15 -0400 Good day everyone, I think I understand what Shawn is saying but I don't believe the crinkled leaves are a disease.  My x Crinums and some other evergreen bulbs exhibit the same thing.  In the Spring the new growth is beautiful but as the summer heats up and the winds blow, the leaves look mottled and crinkled.  I think it might be environmental stress. Celeste in Phoenix, AZ where we are getting some heat relief.  We may be under 100 degrees today.  -----Original Message----- From: Richard To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 8:00 am Subject: Re: [pbs] × Amarcrinum The bulbs I sent to the BX last month never produced diseased leaves. Richard Wagner Vista, CA Subject: Re: [pbs] × Amarcrinum Dear all, Every Amarcrinum plant I've received, from the BX or otherwise, has had its leaves mottled, striped, or distorted by what I think is a virus. The leaves in these pictures don't appear too bad from the distance used in the photographs. Are there "clean" sources for Amarcrinum? Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ From honeybunny442@yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 12:46:10 2009 Message-Id: <371390.87544.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: Susan B Subject: × Amarcrinum Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Hi everyone, I agree with Celeste.  I bought my bulbs from bulbsdirect.com, they come from the Netherlands.  I've never noticed any mottling, but after reading Shawn's note I went outside to look at mine- they do exhibit some browning on the edges of the leaves, which I attribute to sunburn.  My plant in the shade is blooming for the second time right now, and it has a wonderful, sweet-soapy smell.  Mine usually bloom the beginning of July. Susan, in East TN zone 6 where it is downpouring and sunny at the same time. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, hheaven77@aol.com wrote: From: hheaven77@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] × Amarcrinum To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:33 AM Good day everyone, I think I understand what Shawn is saying but I don't believe the crinkled leaves are a disease.  My x Crinums and some other evergreen bulbs exhibit the same thing.  In the Spring the new growth is beautiful but as the summer heats up and the winds blow, the leaves look mottled and crinkled.  I think it might be environmental stress. Celeste in Phoenix, AZ where we are getting some heat relief.  We may be under 100 degrees today.  -----Original Message----- From: Richard To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 8:00 am Subject:  Re: [pbs] × Amarcrinum The bulbs I sent to the BX last month never produced diseased leaves. Richard Wagner Vista, CA Subject: Re: [pbs] × Amarcrinum Dear all, Every Amarcrinum plant I've received, from the BX or otherwise, has had its leaves mottled, striped, or distorted by what I think is a virus.  The leaves in these pictures don't appear too bad from the distance used in the photographs.  Are there "clean" sources for Amarcrinum? Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ From eagle85@flash.net Wed Sep 9 14:10:03 2009 Message-Id: <0FC28225-5AFD-48B4-9476-342621FF4484@flash.net> From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Pictures of Sadoxus cinnabarinus? Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:06:05 -0700 All I get is pictures of Pit Bull dogs. Doug From adam14113@ameritech.net Wed Sep 9 15:01:53 2009 Message-Id: From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Pictures of Sadoxus cinnabarinus? Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:01:01 -0500 I figured the dogs were just variants of Sadoxus.... Scadoxus having been made irrelevant or renamed or something. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Westfall" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Pictures of Sadoxus cinnabarinus? > All I get is pictures of Pit Bull dogs. > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From msittner@mcn.org Wed Sep 9 16:12:49 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090909130929.0375af60@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: S. cinnabarinus and G. hyacinthina Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:10:50 -0700 Dear Tomas, There is a picture of Scadoxus cinnabarinus on the wiki taken by Doug Westfall. Did you look there? http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Scadoxus Mary Sue From eagle85@flash.net Wed Sep 9 17:10:18 2009 Message-Id: From: Douglas Westfall Subject: S. cinnabarinus and G. hyacinthina Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:10:12 -0700 Mary Sue, Thanks for the "advertising". I did send him a picture early this morning. However, it may have been a different picture. Thanks again, Doug From ron_redding@hotmail.com Wed Sep 9 18:39:11 2009 Message-Id: From: Ronald Redding Subject: S. cinnabarinus and G. hyacinthina Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:38:57 +1000 Tomas I can not see any flowers in your photos however I agree that the leaves of your plant are probably scadoxus however could be any of the species. Look forward to seeing photos of your plant in flower when they are available. If it has not yet flowered I am at a loss as to how you are able to be so sure that the plant is actually cinnabarinus, could you please share that with us? Kind Regards and Best Wishes Ron Redding Hervey Bay Australia > From: to.sa@comhem.se > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 00:49:29 +0200 > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] S. cinnabarinus and G. hyacinthina > > Hi all, > > I would really appreciate if some one could send me a picture of a > real cinnabarinus, because this species is right now a mystery for me. > > Many pictures of this species on the net isn't cinnabarinus and I have > seen several pictures of this species that doesn't look similar > neither in spite of that many of these pictures are named to be > cinnabarinus even from a few reliable sources. > > And now after 1 year my G. hyacinthina has started to grow and a small > leaf has sprout. > > http://www.amstaffdogs.eu/viewtopic.php?p=62640#62640 > > Best regards > Tomas Sandberg > > Sweden > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _________________________________________________________________ Need a place to rent, buy or share? 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Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ ________________________________ From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu Sep 10 10:05:44 2009 Message-Id: <000901ca321f$c6c8bde0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Habenaria radiata Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:05:38 -0400 Habenaria radiata (aka Pecteilis radiata, Platanthera radiata) is blooming here now. This is such a cool little plant, and it’s easily grown. Past experience here has shown that while the plants are winter hardy here in the bog trays, the plants are so small that they get lost in such a setting. For me it has been easier to grow them in a low pot during the summer and store the corms in the refrigerator during the winter. I keep it wet during the summer and dry during the winter, and so far that has worked for me for years. If you don’t know this little cutie, take a look here: http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2008/09/habenaria-radiata.html Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From daverpoole@hotmail.com Thu Sep 10 11:03:15 2009 Message-Id: From: Dave Poole Subject: Pterostylis Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:03:06 +0000 Not sure how many Australian contributors are looking in, but I'm pretty sure I've got one of these growing in a small pot. It appeared growing on a Dicksonia 'trunk' imported into the UK from Victoria (Aus.). I first noticed it last spring when a couple of ovate leaves appeared, lying flat against the trunk. I carefully dug down through the root fibres of the fern in order to extract as much of the plant as possible. The leaf pair came away with a section of white rhizome and no roots so I inserted it into a small pot of live sphagnum moss, kept it very moist and over a period of several months it resumed growth. Last winter the leaves died back and I opened up the compost to discover a few pea-sized tubers attached to 2mm. thick, fleshy white rhizomes plus a few long white roots nearly as thick s the rhizomes. This year there are 3 small rosettes and they appear to be doing OK growing in a mixture of peat, sphagnum moss and sharp sand. Leaves are deep green, 3- 4 cms long, 1.5 - 2cm. wide and with a matt almost crystaline surface texture. Last year I thought it might be Chiloglottis, but each rosette produces several leaves, which sort of rules that and allied genera out. Are there any Pterostylis species prone to growing on tree fern trunks? It's early days yet for a flower and subsequent positive ID, but it would be good to learn of any likely 'suspects'. _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Thu Sep 10 11:17:11 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: × Amarcrinum Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:16:57 +0000 Hi: I have noted the same problem that Shawn mentions: it would be great if X Amarcrinum material has been cleaned and is available. Moreover, many Crinum hybrids are also infected with the same virus. Why is people not detecting this? Because the mosaic is evident at the point of sprouting leaves and when they fertilize with nitrogen the intense leaf color masks the system. The main problem is that this virus affects amaryllids and can be transmitted to the rest of the collection without warning. Regards > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:55:46 -0700 > From: pollards22@yahoo.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] × Amarcrinum > > Dear all: > > Let me clarify what I was referring to. I don't mean browning around the edges of the leaves. That affects everything here in the desert, not to mention periodic bouts with chlorosis. I was referring to the leaves being consistently and completely striped, mottles, or splotched, sometimes even distorted, when environmental or physical damage, insect damage, and variegation can be ruled out. The effect is not pretty and the plant's vigor can be affected. > > Shawn Pollard > Yuma, AZ > > > > ________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _________________________________________________________________ Revisá tus correos de Hotmail en tu celular - Clic Aquí http://www.messengerentucelu.com From mikemace@att.net Thu Sep 10 13:56:02 2009 Message-Id: <000c01ca323f$f56f4900$e04ddb00$@net> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Virus transmission in Amaryllid seeds? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:56:00 -0700 This discussion of possible viruses in x Amarcrinum reminded me of some discussions we had in the past about viruses in some Amaryllis "Multiflora" bulbs. Was there ever a consensus on whether viruses can be transmitted through the seeds of amaryllids that have fleshy seeds? I'm just wondering how much risk there is when we trade them around. Mike San Jose, CA From to.sa@comhem.se Thu Sep 10 14:50:26 2009 Message-Id: From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: Scadoxus cinnabrinus? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:50:08 +0200 Hi, Doug: it's wrong even here because it is not any Pit Bull Dog it is an Amstaff (American Staffordshire Terrier) and this breeds is today an own homogen breed with papers from the Swedish Kennelclub and the Pitbull is not accepted in Sweden and many other contries by the Swedish Kenneclub and many other countries kennel clubs as a pure breed! Ron: I have given up this species now because it seems to be wrong every time for me and my sources are Swedish Botanical Gardens and it has now went wrong for me two times regarding S cinnabarinus so for the moment I skip this one, and if can't trust educated people from Swedish Universities, who should then trust? I'm only a "simple" collector of bulbous species.... Best Tomas Sandberg From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Thu Sep 10 18:39:12 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Virus transmission in Amaryllid seeds? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:39:01 +0000 Seeds are fortunately the only common way to obtain virus free material, but there is no way to propagate clean material of the immense number of hybrids/varieties around that are infected. Sadly. Regards > From: mikemace@att.net > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:56:00 -0700 > Subject: [pbs] Virus transmission in Amaryllid seeds? > > This discussion of possible viruses in x Amarcrinum reminded me of some > discussions we had in the past about viruses in some Amaryllis "Multiflora" > bulbs. > > Was there ever a consensus on whether viruses can be transmitted through the > seeds of amaryllids that have fleshy seeds? I'm just wondering how much > risk there is when we trade them around. > > Mike > San Jose, CA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _________________________________________________________________ ¡Viene la primavera: que no te encuentre sin compañía! Probá con MSN Amor y Amistad http://match.ar.msn.com/channel/index.aspx?trackingid=1056241 From ds429@comcast.net Thu Sep 10 18:58:01 2009 Message-Id: <004f01ca326a$291bcb50$7b5361f0$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: email not working? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:58:06 -0400 Dear Uli, Sorry, also, to reply here, but I am receiving your emails. Note that I have a new email address: ds429@comcast.net Es tut auch mir leid, Dell -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Uli Urban Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:23 PM To: PBS Messages Subject: [pbs] email not working? Dear Dell, Sorry to have to use this forum to contact you but for some reasons the emails I sent you keep being returned except the one you confirmed. Is it my computer that is the cause? the net? A spam filter of yours? Sorry again and greetings from Germany, Uli From tony@plantdelights.com Thu Sep 10 21:55:21 2009 Message-Id: <4AA9AE01.90909@plantdelights.com> From: Tony Avent Subject: Virus transmission in Amaryllid seeds? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:55:13 -0400 Alberto: It has become common practice in the US for several of the larger nurseries to virus index and clean all plants that they sell. This can be done either via hot water/tissue culture or chemically. The cost is typically between $1000 and $2500 per plant, so small nurseries often cannot afford the cost...it all depends on the financial return that the plant will generate. On some plants, the only difference between a clean plant and an infected one is the lack of leaf streaks, while in other plants, original vigor is restored. Unfortunately, many plants easily get reinfected when grown outdoors. The current amount of virus testing has shown that a significant number of the plants that we all grow in our gardens are infected with at least one virus, but unless the virus causes a significant problem such as disfigurement of vigor loss, most folks never suspect a problem. It's only the plants that show symptoms that cause gardeners to get upset. Alberto Castillo wrote: > Seeds are fortunately the only common way to obtain virus free material, but there is no way to propagate clean material of the immense number of hybrids/varieties around that are infected. Sadly. > > > > > > Regards > > >> From: mikemace@att.net >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:56:00 -0700 >> Subject: [pbs] Virus transmission in Amaryllid seeds? >> >> This discussion of possible viruses in x Amarcrinum reminded me of some >> discussions we had in the past about viruses in some Amaryllis "Multiflora" >> bulbs. >> >> Was there ever a consensus on whether viruses can be transmitted through the >> seeds of amaryllids that have fleshy seeds? I'm just wondering how much >> risk there is when we trade them around. >> >> Mike >> San Jose, CA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > ¡Viene la primavera: que no te encuentre sin compañía! Probá con MSN Amor y Amistad > http://match.ar.msn.com/channel/index.aspx?trackingid=1056241 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent From msittner@mcn.org Fri Sep 11 11:20:00 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090911080428.03223c08@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Lycoris/ Topic of the week Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:18:37 -0700 Hi, Some of you who are new to our list will not be familiar with the Topic of the Week. For a time in 2002 and in 2003 and 2004 I organized a topic of the week and found someone to introduce it and then invited people on this list to discuss the topic in response to the introduction and everyone's posts. There was a wealth of information generated which I later linked to the wiki: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/TOW This summer there has been a fair amount of discussion about Lycoris and Jim Waddick has after the fact written a very complete introduction to this genus. He has also sent me additional photos. I have added both to the wiki. One of the things I found very interesting as we were working on this is that he believes many of the "species" are really natural hybrids. So for all of you out there who are fortunate to live in an area when you can easily grow this genus (and to the world who will find this information through the pbs wiki and a Google search) here is the link: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris Clicking on Garden Lycoris and More will open what Jim has written in a new window. But you can also access it directly here: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Lycoris/Garden_Lycoris_and_More.pdf Thanks Jim for providing this and everyone feel free to comment just as if this was a topic of the week. And if anyone else has something they would like to introduce as a topic of the week spontaneously without an organized program to do this, this could be a model of a way to do it. Mary Sue From xerantheum@gmail.com Fri Sep 11 12:58:25 2009 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Lycoris/ Topic of the week Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:58:16 -0700 Thank you so much Mary Sue for the links and Jim for a fantastic synopsis into the genus Lycoris! This is the sort of information the wiki and the PBS needs to continue our trajectory as a world class plant society. Recently the wiki saw an addition of seed and general cultivation information which I am very excited about. I highly encourage everyone to contribute cultivation information about your favorite genus or write an article like Jim did. I will be glad to help you put it on the wiki if necessary. Happy fall bloomings to all! Nhu Berkeley, CA - the Oxalis are budding! On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > Hi, > > This summer there has been a fair amount of discussion about Lycoris and > Jim Waddick has after the fact written a very complete introduction to this > genus. He has also sent me additional photos. I have added both to the > wiki. One of the things I found very interesting as we were working on this > is that he believes many of the "species" are really natural hybrids. So > for all of you out there who are fortunate to live in an area when you can > easily grow this genus (and to the world who will find this information > through the pbs wiki and a Google search) here is the link: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris > > Clicking on Garden Lycoris and More will open what Jim has written in a new > window. But you can also access it directly here: > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Lycoris/Garden_Lycoris_and_More.pdf > > Mary Sue > > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ From totototo@telus.net Fri Sep 11 13:50:40 2009 Message-Id: <4AAA2B78.27566.2B19D6@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Virus transmission in Amaryllid seeds? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:50:32 -0700 On 10 Sep 2009, at 21:55, Tony Avent wrote: > unless the virus causes a significant problem such as disfigurement of vigor > loss, most folks never suspect a problem. It's only the plants that show > symptoms that cause gardeners to get upset. The real issue isn't infection with this or that virus in particular, but the gradual infection of a plant by a number of viruses. Individually, none of them would amount to much of a problem, but as the virus titer goes up (i e when a plant is progressively infected with an more and more viruses), vigor declines. This is the usual explanation why old cultivars propagated by vegetative means ultimately disappear or become so fussy to grow that only a few enthusiasts can give them the attention they require to stay alive. Tissue culture methods have been used to clean up a surprising range of plants, ranging from show auriculas on the verge of extinction to Cosmos atrosanguineus, formerly a very rare plant, today sold widely in 4" pots. But there's an even more insidious problem: those vigorous plants that tolerate viral infections and then act as typhoid Marys, infecting other nearby plants via transmission by aphids, leafhoppers, and uncleaned garden implements. There are some mysteries in the world of commercial bulb production. The little narcissus 'Tete a Tete' is entirely virused, yet sold very, very widely. You would think that someone would put it through tissue culture to rid it of its virus(es), but evidently it has sufficient vigor as is that the producers can't be bothered. Another mystery is the horribly virused form of Crocus kotschyanus that is sold. Its flowers are so deformed that it has no garden value at all, yet this crocus is quite easy from seed, and seedlings reveal its true beauty. I always thought of it as a rather small-flowered crocus until I obtained some seedlings from a naturalized patch of it that has spread by seed. If all you are growing is common garden plants, the issue of viral infection can be ignored, but if you are growing species grown from seed, you must be much more careful. One rule of wisdom applies to lily growers: if you wish to grow the species from seed, then you must not grow any of the hybrids in the Dutch bulb trade because they are one and all virused and will infect and destroy the less robust species. As for transmission by seed, I believe there are a few plants where this happens, but for the life of me cannot recall which genus. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From mikemace@att.net Fri Sep 11 13:52:56 2009 Message-Id: <002901ca3308$b12298f0$1367cad0$@net> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Virus transmission in Amaryllid seeds? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:52:55 -0700 Alberto wrote: >> Seeds are fortunately the only common way to obtain virus free material Thanks, that's what I needed to know. I have a huge number of Amaryllis "Multiflora" hybrids here from Les Hannibal, plus a selection from the Bulb Baron. I've been tempted every fall to send a sack of seeds to the PBS exchange, but there's no way I can be sure none of those bulbs have been infected with a virus in my garden. They're spread randomly all over the place in a 2/3 acre area. I didn't want to risk being Typhoid Mary. Anyway, if seeds are safe, I can send them in without fear. Now all I have to do is remember to collect them... Mike San Jose, CA From xerantheum@gmail.com Fri Sep 11 15:50:15 2009 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Virus transmission in Amaryllid seeds? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:50:07 -0700 On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:50 AM, wrote: > > As for transmission by seed, I believe there are a few plants where this > happens, but for the life of me cannot recall which genus. > Hi Rodger, The geophyte virus database on the PBS wiki is the most comprehensive database on viruses that can infect geophytes on the web next to the one maintained by the US National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) where the data was extracted. Jacob Knecht and I put this database together a while back in hopes that it will be useful for concerned growers. Unfortunately, there is a vast number of geophytes out there without any virus information at all. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/virus I searched through and found that only *Eucharis candida *was reported to have a virus (Eucharis mottle virus) transmitted through seeds. This may happen because the virus itself is specific on Eucharis, although I cannot say for sure. Nhu Berkeley, CA -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ From klazina@orcon.net.nz Fri Sep 11 16:14:31 2009 Message-Id: <4AAAAFA6.5080309@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: viruses and other things. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:14:30 +1200 How interesting. So that is why the Tete-a-Tete bulbs I grew this spring (New Zealand) were all stunted, so soil and bulbs went straight into the council rubbish bin. Is that the municipal in the US? Am growing Zephyranthes and Habranthus bulbs, any I can lay my hands on. Bought seed from the US and also was sent quite a lot, in fact I am just an ordinary gardener and having 100 Z. Drummondii and more Z. Lyndleyana coming along, is quite challenge. Some of the Z. Drummondii and Lyndleyana are thriving in the garden. The rest are in pots. Had an exchange with the Auckland Botanical Gardens at one stage. And have planted small clumps around the garden of various ones, to see how well they do in our climate, as obviously at some stage am going to have to sell the surplus. Once they flower. Have been crossing any which flower at the same time, as long as they are the kind which will cross so terms like apomictic come into that. Now to see if the flowers are interesting when that time comes. However, viruses don't seem to be a problem so far, Daffodil grub being the one which has been a problem with one nursery grower that I know of. So far my garden seems to be free of that pest. Have read that the Z. Citrina is more like a weed over there, but here have the greatest trouble getting them to grow. Have a few miserable bits in pots which don't look like they will survive much longer. The ones in the garden are a bit better. I wonder what the secret is for them. Was given some which were supposed to be the Z. Citrina but when they flowered, didn't look like them to me, and they turned out to be Ipheon Sellowianum. Yet the friend had bought them labelled as Z. Citrina..... At least they thrive and are very showy in their small way, brightening up winter days. So what is the secret to growing Z. Citrina? Ina Crossley Auckland, New Zealand, zone 9-10, volcanic soil From tony@plantdelights.com Fri Sep 11 17:33:56 2009 Message-Id: <4AAAC242.5090901@plantdelights.com> From: Tony Avent Subject: Virus transmission in Amaryllid seeds? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:33:54 -0400 Rodger: Great points....cannas are a plant in which one of the viruses that affect them can be seed transmitted. When we first tested cannas over a decade ago, some had as many as four different viruses. One by one, we are finally getting most of them cleaned of virus. totototo@telus.net wrote: > On 10 Sep 2009, at 21:55, Tony Avent wrote: > > >> unless the virus causes a significant problem such as disfigurement of vigor >> loss, most folks never suspect a problem. It's only the plants that show >> symptoms that cause gardeners to get upset. >> > > The real issue isn't infection with this or that virus in particular, but the > gradual infection of a plant by a number of viruses. Individually, none of them > would amount to much of a problem, but as the virus titer goes up (i e when a > plant is progressively infected with an more and more viruses), vigor declines. > This is the usual explanation why old cultivars propagated by vegetative means > ultimately disappear or become so fussy to grow that only a few enthusiasts can > give them the attention they require to stay alive. > > Tissue culture methods have been used to clean up a surprising range of plants, > ranging from show auriculas on the verge of extinction to Cosmos > atrosanguineus, formerly a very rare plant, today sold widely in 4" pots. > > But there's an even more insidious problem: those vigorous plants that tolerate > viral infections and then act as typhoid Marys, infecting other nearby plants > via transmission by aphids, leafhoppers, and uncleaned garden implements. > > There are some mysteries in the world of commercial bulb production. The little > narcissus 'Tete a Tete' is entirely virused, yet sold very, very widely. You > would think that someone would put it through tissue culture to rid it of its > virus(es), but evidently it has sufficient vigor as is that the producers can't > be bothered. > > Another mystery is the horribly virused form of Crocus kotschyanus that is > sold. Its flowers are so deformed that it has no garden value at all, yet this > crocus is quite easy from seed, and seedlings reveal its true beauty. I always > thought of it as a rather small-flowered crocus until I obtained some seedlings > from a naturalized patch of it that has spread by seed. > > If all you are growing is common garden plants, the issue of viral infection > can be ignored, but if you are growing species grown from seed, you must be > much more careful. One rule of wisdom applies to lily growers: if you wish to > grow the species from seed, then you must not grow any of the hybrids in the > Dutch bulb trade because they are one and all virused and will infect and > destroy the less robust species. > > As for transmission by seed, I believe there are a few plants where this > happens, but for the life of me cannot recall which genus. > > > > -- Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent From oothal@hotmail.com Fri Sep 11 23:55:47 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Anyone an expert on native Liatris and Lilium of Texas? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:55:45 -0500 Hi all, After finding some very rare Salene subciliata (not a bulb)yesterday, I went back today to take some pics of the beautiful red flowers. I am always elated to add some pics to my wild flower pic collection. I decided to drive up and down the road a little and see if anything else stood out. After only going about 20 yards/meters (yes I know they are not exactly the same but hey they are close enough for guesstamits) I saw a sight that nearly gave me a heart attack. It was two beautiful lilium blooming, not but a very short distance from the road. These were not the typical white Easter type lily that grows here. I have no idea if these are "native" or just naturalized but they were certainly unexpected and very beautiful. The flower had yellow center with red on the outer portion. With red dots all in the yellow. They drooped down like Tiger lilies. The pollen thingies were large and red in color. I walked but just a couple of steps when I saw a few more plants but with seed pods. Each plant had one flower per stalk. They were on top of a small embankment that let me look them over at near eye level. I was all giddy burning their exact location into my brain so I can come back and pick a few seed. While taking more than a few pics of these lilium (about 50 pics lol) I kept looking down to make sure my footing was secure because I am not all that steady on my feet. Let alone standing on uneven ground. I spied a bloom at my feet that was odd but I paid no mind. After I took my last lilium pic a took a step back and gave this bloom at my feet a closer look. Not very pretty, off white, very sparse, short stalk, hairy long thin leaves. Looks like some kind of ugly Liatris bloom is what I think of. Kinda looks like Liatris leaves, very narrow and fuzzy. Hmmmmm I think. I scratch the earth at the base of the short lazy stalk. Slowly I see a small bulb appear just under the surface of the soil. Oh, wow! A bulb! I set my camera back up and send those electrons through my digital camera as fast as I could click the button. I drove the short distance home with a joyous heart and great excitement. Eager to see if any of my pics turned out. Now all I need is to find an expert of Texas Liatris and Lilium to identify them. lol Look ahead to see where your going, Look behind you and see where you have been. Every now and then look down, you might be staning on a fire ant mound. (if you don't know what a fire ant is, consider yourself fortunate!) Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From aaron_floden@yahoo.com Sat Sep 12 00:48:28 2009 Message-Id: <429799.77107.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden Subject: Anyone an expert on native Liatris and Lilium of Texas? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Send some picks to me. I should be able to identify them quickly. Just from the description and your location I would say the Lilium is L. michauxii and the Liatris is L. elegans.  Aaron Floden  Knoxville, TN --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Justin Smith wrote: The flower had yellow center with red on the outer portion. With red dots all in the yellow. They drooped down like Tiger lilies. The pollen thingies were large and red in color. I walked but just a couple of steps when I saw a few more plants but with seed pods. Each plant had one flower per stalk. TLooks like some kind of ugly Liatris bloom is what I think of. Kinda looks like Liatris leaves, very narrow and fuzzy. Hmmmmm I think. I scratch the earth at the base of the short lazy stalk. Slowly I see a small bulb appear just under the surface of the soil. Now all I need is to find an expert of Texas Liatris and Lilium to identify them. lol Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a From aclyburn17@verizon.net Sat Sep 12 02:08:10 2009 Message-Id: <1930936176.1636553.1252735682998.JavaMail.root@vms124.mailsrvcs.net> From: aclyburn17@verizon.net Subject: Anyone an expert on native Liatris and Lilium of Texas? Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:08:02 -0500 (CDT) From DavBouch5@aol.com Sat Sep 12 05:35:08 2009 Message-Id: From: DavBouch5@aol.com Subject: viruses and other things. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:34:56 EDT HI Ina Z. citrina is somewhat naturalized here in Hawaii--it grows in areas that are quite dry in the summer. After a rare summer storm they will bloom profusely, but put on the biggest show in the Autumn (October) when it really rains. Aloha! David Boucher Kauai From klazina@orcon.net.nz Sat Sep 12 05:45:01 2009 Message-Id: <4AAB6D9E.3040308@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: viruses and other things. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:45:02 +1200 Thank you David, I seem to have kept them too wet. It is a learning curve and hopefully I can save them still. Ina New Zealand HI Ina Z. citrina is somewhat naturalized here in Hawaii--it grows in areas that are quite dry in the summer. After a rare summer storm they will bloom profusely, but put on the biggest show in the Autumn (October) when it really rains. Aloha! David Boucher Kauai From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sat Sep 12 07:44:59 2009 Message-Id: <000301ca339e$75d36cc0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Anyone an expert on native Liatris and Lilium of Texas? Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:45:00 -0400 Justin, if you’re in eastern Texas, your lilies might be Lilium michauxii. Can you post a photograph? A “whole plant” photograph would help, too. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From tjyates@hughes.net Sat Sep 12 10:07:51 2009 Message-Id: <1360813258.215294.1252764464556.JavaMail.mail@webmail09> From: tjyates@hughes.net Subject: Anyone an expert on native Liatris and Lilium of Texas? Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:07:44 +0000 (GMT) From msittner@mcn.org Sat Sep 12 11:40:55 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090912083801.0257b1d0@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Vagaria Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:40:33 -0700 Hi, Alessandro Marinello has uploaded pictures to the wiki of Vagaria ollivieri. He grows so many unusual bulbs. Can anyone provide us any information about this genus and species and how to grow it so we can add that information to the wiki? Thanks. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Vagaria Mary Sue From ds429@comcast.net Sat Sep 12 12:36:24 2009 Message-Id: <000601ca33c7$264bf0e0$72e3d2a0$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 217 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:36:16 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 217" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Mike Mace: (BULBLETS) 1. Oxalis polyphylla v. heptaphylla 2. Oxalis obtusa ex Bishop's Nursery 3. Oxalis MV5567, yellow, dark center 4. Oxalis MV6341 5. Oxalis MV5630A 6. Oxalis MV5532, white/yellow 7. Oxalis MV 4960B 8. Oxalis MV5667 9. Oxalis MV 5752, yellow 10. Oxalis MV5117 From Nhu Nguyen:(SEED) 11. Allium lacunosum var. lacunosum 12. Allium cristophii 13. Allium dichlamydeum 14. Acis trichophylla 15. Brodiaea elegans 16. Cypella herbertii 17. Muscari comosum 18. Pasithea coerulea 19. Solenomelus pedunculatus From Pam Slate: 20. Bulblets of Ledebouria cooperi From Roy Herold: SEED: Cyclamen rohlfsianum seed are from giant, venerable plants that are close to 16 years old. The big knobby tubers were weighed during repotting in 2008, and all were over three pounds. Two of these burst their 9" pots this year, and got upgrades. Leaves are the main feature for rohlfsianums, with shapes, patterns, and sizes that are superior to and different from any other cyclamen I have encountered. The flowers are pleasant, but not spectacular. I'm at a loss as to why seed set is so low with rohlfsianums, but I am beginning to wonder if the big bumblebees that frequent them damage the exerted styles. That said, I had more seed this year than ever before. The seeds were late to mature this year, and finally ripened in August. The four collections are from plants with very different characteristics, ranging from leaf size and morphology to flower size right down to seed size. It would be nice to have photos, but rest assured you will not be disappointed by any of them. As for provenance, I see notations of donors from US, UK, and a wild collection in Cyrenaica. 21. Cyclamen rohlfsianum 93-6 22. Cyclamen rohlfsianum 93-8 23. Cyclamen rohlfsianum 93-14 24. Cyclamen rohlfsianum 93-15 The rest: 25. Cyclamen cyprium, nicely marked 26. Cyclamen cyprium ex Kantara, Cyprus 27. Cyclamen cilicium 28. Cyclamen coum BULBS: 29. Oxalis versicolor Thank you, Mike, Nhu, Pam, and Roy !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat Sep 12 13:12:29 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Vagaria Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:11:53 -0700 Mary Sue wrote, >Alessandro Marinello has uploaded pictures to the wiki of Vagaria >ollivieri. He grows so many unusual bulbs. Can anyone provide us any >information about this genus and species and how to grow it so we can add >that information to the wiki? First, the name: It is spelled olivieri, not ollivieri. That will help with a search! This is in the Amaryllidaceae and comes from Morocco. The genus is closest to Pancratium, and includes four species, of which only V. parviflora was known to be in cultivation in the UK in the mid-1990s. I once obtained seed of V. olivieri but was not able to maintain the seedlings through the winter (although I grow a number of other North African geophytes in the frames). It requires a warm, dry summer dormancy to initiate flowering. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From msittner@mcn.org Sat Sep 12 13:53:45 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090912104935.03802228@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Vagaria Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:53:19 -0700 Dear Jane, Thanks so much for the info. about growing this. Kew, Tropicos, and IPNI all list it as Vagaria ollivieri. I checked since Alessandro had it spelled one way and the wiki another way. Mary Sue >First, the name: It is spelled olivieri, not ollivieri. That will >help with a search! From HHeaven77@aol.com Sat Sep 12 16:17:11 2009 Message-Id: <8CC01FD210483EA-3A50-268F7@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com> From: hheaven77@aol.com Subject: Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:17:04 -0400 Hello Everyone, The new PBS BX has quite a few of the late Michael Vassar's oxalis. I found descriptions of some on the WIKI but would be interested in knowing if Michael had passed on notes on his collection and if so, where could I find them? Thank you and have a great weekend. Celeste in still sunny and hot Phoenix where it is currently 99.1 F . From oothal@hotmail.com Sat Sep 12 19:53:20 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Anyone an expert on native Liatris and Lilium of Texas? Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:53:05 -0500 Hi All, Sorry I was going to post the pics last night but Mr Sandman put me out. I didn't have a flickr account so I got that done today. Uploaded 3 pics so everyone interested can see the Lilium flower, Lilium plant with seed pod and what I think is a kind of Liatris. The Liatris is not very large. All of the ones I saw were laying over. With the flower head overpowering the miniscule size of the stem. The single stems were all short with the longest one about 20 cm long. Upon a closer look at the pic I saw the leaves were not fuzzy like I thought but the stem is. Anyway I hope you can tell enough about them to ID them. My photography is not the best in the world. A fact that my brother so eagerly reminds me of. lol http://www.flickr.com/photos/oothal/3913951514/in/photostream/ This is my first time to link to flickr so if it doesnt work let me know. Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a > From: jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:45:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [pbs] Anyone an expert on native Liatris and Lilium of Texas? > > Justin, if you’re in eastern Texas, your lilies might be Lilium michauxii. > Can you post a photograph? A “whole plant” photograph would help, too. > > > > Jim McKenney > > jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com > > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone > 7 > > My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com > > BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ > > > > Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS > > Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org > > > > Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From eez55@earthlink.net Sat Sep 12 22:23:49 2009 Message-Id: <380-22009901322347656@earthlink.net> From: "Eugene Zielinski" Subject: Anyone an expert on native Liatris and Lilium of Texas? Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:23:47 -0400 Your lily is definitely the Carolina Lily, Lilium michauxii. The whorled leaves that are widest between the mid-point and the tip are characteristic of this species. Nice find! The liatris looks like Liatris elegans, but that is a large plant, up to five feet (1.5 meters) tall. And your pictures aren't bad at all. Eugene Zielinski Augusta, GA USA > [Original Message] > From: Justin Smith > To: > Date: 9/12/2009 7:53:23 PM > Subject: Re: [pbs] Anyone an expert on native Liatris and Lilium of Texas? > > > Hi All, > > > > Sorry I was going to post the pics last night but Mr Sandman put me out. I didn't have a flickr account so I got that done today. Uploaded 3 pics so everyone interested can see the Lilium flower, Lilium plant with seed pod and what I think is a kind of Liatris. The Liatris is not very large. All of the ones I saw were laying over. With the flower head overpowering the miniscule size of the stem. The single stems were all short with the longest one about 20 cm long. Upon a closer look at the pic I saw the leaves were not fuzzy like I thought but the stem is. Anyway I hope you can tell enough about them to ID them. My photography is not the best in the world. A fact that my brother so eagerly reminds me of. lol > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/oothal/3913951514/in/photostream/ > From ds429@comcast.net Sun Sep 13 08:16:50 2009 Message-Id: <008201ca346c$0f213fb0$2d63bf10$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 217 CLOSED Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:16:44 -0400 All items have been claimed. Packages should go out during the week. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From jshields104@comcast.net Sun Sep 13 11:34:17 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090913111130.02474fc0@mail.comcast.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Current Blooms in Indiana Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:35:04 -0400 At the moment, the only things in bloom outdoors in the ground are the Colchicum. After them, maybe we'll see Sternbergia bloom this autumn, and maybe we won't. I'll let you know! The first Colchicum to bloom in mass is C. cilicicum, followed by C. byzantinum. Last will probably be the large patch of C. speciosum I have naturalized in the front lawn. This last one is very attractive when in flower, but the big patch of leaves, weeds, and long grass in the spring and early summer are less fetching. Still, their appearance is a price we gladly pay in summer for the Fall color. In pots, we have Cyrtanthus montanus and C. sanguineus currently blooming, as well as Nerine [filifolia x krigei], N. platypetala, and N. masoniorum. The dwarf form of N. augustifolius is just about to start blooming, and N. filifolia is in bud and will soon be in flower. We no longer grow several Nerine species that were more bother than their tiny blooms were worth. NN. gracilis and rehmannii are pretty much all gone. I'm getting impatient with most of my N. laticoma, which are plenty large enough to bloom now but still have not. I'm wondering if my N. huttoniae will ever get big enough to bloom. N. krigei, which usually bloom very reliably for me, only produced a single scape this year among several pots. Maybe I did not get them cold enough for long enough last winter. They do require cold temperatures near freezing in winter to release bloom in summer. It will soon be time to move the pots of N. sarniensis hybrids from basement storage to the greenhouse for their winter growing season. I'm eager to see if we get more bloom than last year, which was the first year in a long time that I have gotten any sarniensis types to flower for me. If I ever get to the place where I can get sarniensis types to reliably flower here, I'll expand my collection of them, because I find them very attractive. My Haemanthus coccineus are still blooming, and only one barkerae is still in bloom. The Haemanthus barkerae are usually the first Haemanthus to flower here, often starting in early August (more or less mid-summer here). The last to bloom will be H. crispus, which are bright red but have umbels no larger than barkerae on peduncles (stems) only about one inch high. H. crispus does not set abundant seed, so it is very slow to increase. The leaves of crispus are the main attraction -- narrow, only about 1 inch wide, very channeled, and the margins are strongly undulate (very wavy) and take up essentially the whole leaf. Lachenalia should start to bloom as soon as I start watering them. So far, I am keeping them dry and out of the way under a bench. Several pots of these need repotting and dividing. This is the time to do it! Jim Shields in sunny central Indiana, USA ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From adam14113@ameritech.net Sun Sep 13 12:14:12 2009 Message-Id: <111678099384482884123CDB86F00CCD@FAMILY> From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Current Blooms in Indiana Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:14:00 -0500 Hello all. Hymenocallis occidentalis blooming for me. Maiden bloom on two seedlings purchased as seedlings about 5 years ago. 4 flowes on one, 5 on the other. Bases of the stems more than 1 inch in greatest cross-sectional dimension--marquise-shaped which I've not seen in any description, and one stem is 17" tall to the base of the inflorescence. A very respectable flower--about 6" across My Haemanthus coccineus (katharinae?) finished blooming about 3 weeks ago. I'm also announcing what may be a fool's claim. Seed pods on Lycoris squamigera and on both sanguinea and aurea v. surgens by squamigera. I've not seen the ovaries so large before and holding their color while others have declined. Of course they could be balloons, and/or inviable. These were the product of mixed pollen, a 2, 4-D assist and DMSO. So singalong with me? . Has anyone else had large pods on squamigera and subsequent failure? Jim Waddick? From to.sa@comhem.se Sun Sep 13 15:43:15 2009 Message-Id: <028ED752-1C89-4A6C-8D1B-11DA2F67DCCD@comhem.se> From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: A new bulbous forum Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:42:55 +0200 Hi, Today I have change a lot at my forum, now the forum has several different rooms and the name of the forum is www.bulbousspecies.eu this url will hopefully work within a few days but the old url www.amstaffdogs.eu works fine. Best Tomas Sandberg From JmsJon664@aol.com Sun Sep 13 20:42:02 2009 Message-Id: <8CC02EB45D3B4F4-13E4-183FB@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> From: jmsjon664@aol.com Subject: Current Blooms Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:41:46 -0400 Colchicum autumnale is coming on strongly, both a white form and deep pink 'Nancy Lindsey'. This species multiplies well and is relatively tidy in flower and leaf. Nerine filifolia is having a good year; also in bloom is the Archibald offering of N. bowdenii, from 3000m in Lesotho, blooming a month ahead of any others, as described. It took 7 years from sowing to flowering. There are a few furtive blooms of Cyclamen hederifolium poking out of a very protected spot. Jim Jones Lexington, MA From kjblack@pacbell.net Sun Sep 13 22:00:38 2009 Message-Id: <689564.89421.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ken Subject: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:00:31 -0700 (PDT) 5th year of bloom for this 15-year old bulb from seed.  It seems fewer florets this year than last.  Also, 2 of its sibling bulbs which bloomed for the first time last year seem to be sitting 2009 out.  We've had a very dry year and I've provided no additional H2O.  A 4th sibling bulb is sending up its first scape this year.  Several other siblings have yet to bloom.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3917385121/   Ken San Diego, zone 10-11 From klazina@orcon.net.nz Sun Sep 13 22:27:49 2009 Message-Id: <4AADAA22.4010808@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: Current Blooms Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:27:46 +1200 There are a few furtive blooms of Cyclamen hederifolium poking out of a very protected spot. Jim Jones Lexington, MA Are these the in between size Cyclamen? As mine have naturalised and are one of my great joys over the winter months when they really go to town flowering and are spreading around the garden. One plant I let every seedling grow of. Even without the flowers, the leaf patterns are attractive. Of course the zoning helps. Ina Auckland New Zealand From honeybunny442@yahoo.com Sun Sep 13 22:52:38 2009 Message-Id: <298750.26158.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: Susan B Subject: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Ken, that bulb scared me!  How big is it?  Compared to the wall next to it, it looks really large! Susan --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 10:00 PM 5th year of bloom for this 15-year old bulb from seed.  It seems fewer florets this year than last.  Also, 2 of its sibling bulbs which bloomed for the first time last year seem to be sitting 2009 out.  We've had a very dry year and I've provided no additional H2O.  A 4th sibling bulb is sending up its first scape this year.  Several other siblings have yet to bloom.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3917385121/   Ken San Diego, zone 10-11 From cvschalkwyk@lantic.net Mon Sep 14 06:23:53 2009 Message-Id: <09177F9C33ED4A86875455F9E02C42CD@ElenaPC> From: "Christiaan van Schalkwyk" Subject: Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:23:29 +0200 Hi Celeste - and other interrested parties ! There is a complete list of his Oxalis collections available - and I were fortunate to receive a printed copy of this list from a fellow pbs-er. I scanned the list and converted it to a Word document (19 pages). Unfortunately there are many spelling mistakes, and I haven't gotten round to fix all these, and on the orriginal list those species that either did not survive ar were destroyed are marked, which I have not yet done on the Word document. This list, however, is available to those who want it (Please request it PRIVATELY). (Should I upload it to the wiki?) I see that quite a few of those offered on the BX are labelled as O. luteola. Although I do not have any of those offered, so I cannot speak for them from observation, I do grow some other MV plants that he labelled as O luteola, which are actually O. purpurea. This could be true of MV4960B, and if you look at his description of MV5752, it is definitely not O. luteola. The difference are as follows: O. purpurea OFTEN has shorter peduncles than O luteola, the flowers are thus carried inside or just above the leaves, while O luteola has much longer peduncles, thus the flowers are extended above the leaves. BUT O. purpurea's bracts on the peduncle are ALWAYS alternate, and at or below the middle of the peduncle, while that of O luteola are at a articulation above the middle of the peduncle. There are other differences, like the shape of the buds and the way the leaves dry that are useful, but these could be quite tricky. The Oxalis with Michael Vasser Collection numbers offered on the latest BX were the following: 3. Oxalis MV5567, yellow, dark center O. luteola. 1.2km up road to Paleisheuwel, 60km south of Clanwilliam, in coarse red sand. 1 1/4 inch light yellow flowers with a more golden yellow center; borne on 2 inch peduncles. Linear alternate bracts 1/2 inch up from base. 1 1/4 inch dark green leaves with red hairs at edges, red underside, stems green, center lobe largest, on 2 inch stems. Bracts alternate, linear, ± halfway down stems.. Compact plants, Bulbs dark brown, 1 1/4 inch tall by 3/4 inch wide, tapered at top and bottom; sand sticking to bulbs. + + 4. Oxalis MV6341 O. obtusa. Niuwoudtville area, Bulbs were among bulbs of Lachenalia elegans var. suoveolens. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers two inches above the leaves. Bracts one inch below the flowers, No scent. 3/4 inch leaves in tight, compact rosettes. + + 5. Oxalis MV5630A O. sp. Vanrhynshoek, top of mountain in a level area among big rocks in a dark red, heavy soil. Small, non-winged, light brown bulbs, 3/4 inch light lavender-pink flowers, No bracts. Light sweet scent. Tiny, tufted plants. Plant early. 6. Oxalis MV5532, white/yellow O. ambigua. 123.6km south towards Loeriesfontein below the turnoff from Pofadder on a west facing rock and light brown-red sand, Small plants, forms many bulblets at top of stems, 1 1/2 inch ivory flowers with light yellow centers and a light yellow reverse. Bracts 1/2 inch up from stem base. No scent. 1 inch leaves. + 7. Oxalis MV 4960B O. luteola? 20km southeast of Sutherland, on north facing gravel hill. Bulbs not winged, longer and narrower than 4960. 1 1/2 inch yellow flowers. Central leaf lobe is larger, green underside to leaf. Many tiny bulbs form near and above old bulbs. Bulbs 1 1/8 inch tall by 1/2 inch wide; dark reddish-brown, stiff thin tunics; pointed tip and bottom, bottom not as sharp. 8. Oxalis MV5667 O. luteola, 13,4km south of Nieuwoudtville, full sun, light brown soil. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers. 1 inch diameter leaves, very hairy on surface, green underside, Bracts on flower stems. + + 9. Oxalis MV 5752, yellow O. luteola. 20km into the Pakhuis Pass, 3/4-1 inch medium light golden yellow flowers with a wide shallow tube; 3/4 inch peduncle, Light green hairy sepals, Alternate linear bracts near base of petiole, Leaves dark glaucous, 3/4 inch diameter, red underside, red hairs at edges; light red 3/4 inch stems. Dense, dark leaves, to 3/4 inch, red underside. Leaf rosettes 3 inches in diameter, 1 1/2 inches tall, very compact. + + NOTE: this is probably not O luteola! 10. Oxalis MV5117 O. commutata? Vanrhynshoek, half way up canyon, south slope. Very small rosettes and leaves, compact and dense. 1/2 inch lavender flowers well above the leaves. Petal reverse is half yellow, 1/2-3/4 inch leaves, Must have full sun, Flowers fragrant. + Enjoy Christiaan ----- Original Message ----- > Hello Everyone, > > The new PBS BX has quite a few of the late Michael Vassar's oxalis. I > found descriptions of some on the WIKI but would be interested in knowing > if Michael had passed on notes on his collection and if so, where could I > find them? > From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Mon Sep 14 07:26:57 2009 Message-Id: <000001ca352e$465f5120$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:26:59 -0400 Ken, that's amazing! What are the dimensions of these? In the photos they look huge. Jim McKenney From jshields@indy.net Mon Sep 14 08:14:48 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090914081019.02474fc0@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Current Blooms Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:15:47 -0400 I just noticed late yesterday that three pots of Nerine bowdenii are sending up a scape: Two separate accessions of N. bowdenii wellsii and one of N. bowdenii "Koen's Hardy." My bowdenii seem to bloom anytime from September to December. A pot of N. filifolia is just about to open flowers, and a pot of N. filamentosa is in bloom. These seem to be a little later than usual, but I have not been keeping careful records. Jim Shields in cool (50°F/10°C) Westfield, Indiana USA ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From jshields@indy.net Mon Sep 14 08:19:11 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090914081654.025f2640@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Cyclamen Was: Current Blooms Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:20:07 -0400 I've gradually lost all my C. coum and C. hederifolium; in fact, I lost all but C. graecum. Only C. graecum survives the summer in the greenhouse, bone dry under a bench. The greenhouse is very hot in summer! All the others died in summer if left in the greenhouse or in winter if planted outdoors. C. graecum is starting to bloom in my greenhouse now. Jim Shields in Westfield, Indiana USA ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From lspookrgl@hotmail.com Mon Sep 14 09:24:51 2009 Message-Id: From: roy land Subject: Lycoris/ Topic of the week Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:24:41 -0500 greetings lycoris radiata is just sending up buds in my area, immediately south of dallas texas. we are indeed lucky to live in an area where they not only grow, but thrive on neglect. glen dallas texas soggy zone 8a > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:18:37 -0700 > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > From: msittner@mcn.org > Subject: [pbs] Lycoris/ Topic of the week > > Hi, > > Some of you who are new to our list will not be familiar with the Topic of > the Week. For a time in 2002 and in 2003 and 2004 I organized a topic of > the week and found someone to introduce it and then invited people on this > list to discuss the topic in response to the introduction and everyone's > posts. There was a wealth of information generated which I later linked to > the wiki: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/TOW > > This summer there has been a fair amount of discussion about Lycoris and > Jim Waddick has after the fact written a very complete introduction to this > genus. He has also sent me additional photos. I have added both to the > wiki. One of the things I found very interesting as we were working on this > is that he believes many of the "species" are really natural hybrids. So > for all of you out there who are fortunate to live in an area when you can > easily grow this genus (and to the world who will find this information > through the pbs wiki and a Google search) here is the link: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris > > Clicking on Garden Lycoris and More will open what Jim has written in a new > window. But you can also access it directly here: > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Lycoris/Garden_Lycoris_and_More.pdf > > Thanks Jim for providing this and everyone feel free to comment just as if > this was a topic of the week. And if anyone else has something they would > like to introduce as a topic of the week spontaneously without an organized > program to do this, this could be a model of a way to do it. > > Mary Sue > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From kellso@irvincentral.com Mon Sep 14 10:23:18 2009 Message-Id: <4AAE50B4.1090400@irvincentral.com> From: Kelly Irvin Subject: Lycoris in bloom Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:18:28 -0500 Here, too, Glen. The very first Lycoris radiata var. radiata flower stalks started emerging August 31st with first bloom beginning last week. Lycoris 'Blushing Lady' came up about a week before that. That particular variety did not do so well this year, but it needs a little protection from the winter cold here in zone 6, and I had problems in that arena this past winter. L. rad-rad is one of the easiest to grow in addition to being so beautiful in bloom. Mr. Kelly M. Irvin 10850 Hodge Ln Gravette, AR 72736 USA 479-787-9958 USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b http://www.irvincentral.com/ roy land wrote: > greetings > > lycoris radiata is just sending up buds in my area, immediately south of dallas texas. we are indeed lucky to live in an area where they not only grow, but thrive on neglect. > glen > dallas texas soggy zone 8a > > >> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:18:37 -0700 >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> From: msittner@mcn.org >> Subject: [pbs] Lycoris/ Topic of the week >> >> Hi, >> >> Some of you who are new to our list will not be familiar with the Topic of >> the Week. For a time in 2002 and in 2003 and 2004 I organized a topic of >> the week and found someone to introduce it and then invited people on this >> list to discuss the topic in response to the introduction and everyone's >> posts. There was a wealth of information generated which I later linked to >> the wiki: >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/TOW >> >> This summer there has been a fair amount of discussion about Lycoris and >> Jim Waddick has after the fact written a very complete introduction to this >> genus. He has also sent me additional photos. I have added both to the >> wiki. One of the things I found very interesting as we were working on this >> is that he believes many of the "species" are really natural hybrids. So >> for all of you out there who are fortunate to live in an area when you can >> easily grow this genus (and to the world who will find this information >> through the pbs wiki and a Google search) here is the link: >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris >> >> Clicking on Garden Lycoris and More will open what Jim has written in a new >> window. But you can also access it directly here: >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Lycoris/Garden_Lycoris_and_More.pdf >> >> Thanks Jim for providing this and everyone feel free to comment just as if >> this was a topic of the week. And if anyone else has something they would >> like to introduce as a topic of the week spontaneously without an organized >> program to do this, this could be a model of a way to do it. >> >> Mary Sue >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > From HHeaven77@aol.com Mon Sep 14 10:39:29 2009 Message-Id: <8CC03603B8E0E3F-3398-3B0CB@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> From: hheaven77@aol.com Subject: Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:39:00 -0400 Thanks for your reply Christiaan.  The information you pass along will be helpful to many! Celeste Gornick Phoenix, AZ 7:37 a.m. and 83.4 F   -----Original Message----- From: Christiaan van Schalkwyk To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 3:23 am Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis Hi Celeste - and other interrested parties ! There is a complete list of his Oxalis collections available - and I were fortunate to receive a printed copy of this list from a fellow pbs-er. I scanned the list and converted it to a Word document (19 pages). Unfortunately there are many spelling mistakes, and I haven't gotten round to fix all these, and on the orriginal list those species that either did not survive ar were destroyed are marked, which I have not yet done on the Word document. This list, however, is available to those who want it (Please request it PRIVATELY). (Should I upload it to the wiki?) I see that quite a few of those offered on the BX are labelled as O. luteola. Although I do not have any of those offered, so I cannot speak for them from observation, I do grow some other MV plants that he labelled as O luteola, which are actually O. purpurea. This could be true of MV4960B, and if you look at his description of MV5752, it is definitely not O. luteola. The difference are as follows: O. purpurea OFTEN has shorter peduncles than O luteola, the flowers a re thus carried inside or just above the leaves, while O luteola has much longer peduncles, thus the flowers are extended above the leaves. BUT O. purpurea's bracts on the peduncle are ALWAYS alternate, and at or below the middle of the peduncle, while that of O luteola are at a articulation above the middle of the peduncle. There are other differences, like the shape of the buds and the way the leaves dry that are useful, but these could be quite tricky. The Oxalis with Michael Vasser Collection numbers offered on the latest BX were the following: 3. Oxalis MV5567, yellow, dark center O. luteola. 1.2km up road to Paleisheuwel, 60km south of Clanwilliam, in coarse red sand. 1 1/4 inch light yellow flowers with a more golden yellow center; borne on 2 inch peduncles. Linear alternate bracts 1/2 inch up from base. 1 1/4 inch dark green leaves with red hairs at edges, red underside, stems green, center lobe largest, on 2 inch stems. Bracts alternate, linear, ± halfway down stems.. Compact plants, Bulbs dark brown, 1 1/4 inch tall by 3/4 inch wide, tapered at top and bottom; sand sticking to bulbs. + + 4. Oxalis MV6341 O. obtusa. Niuwoudtville area, Bulbs were among bulbs of Lachenalia elegans var. suoveolens. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers two inches above the leaves. Bracts one inch below the flowers, No scent. 3/4 inch leaves in tight, compact rosettes. + + 5. Oxalis MV5630A O. sp. Vanrhynshoek, top of mountain in a level area among big rocks in=2 0a dark red, heavy soil. Small, non-winged, light brown bulbs, 3/4 inch light lavender-pink flowers, No bracts. Light sweet scent. Tiny, tufted plants. Plant early. 6. Oxalis MV5532, white/yellow O. ambigua. 123.6km south towards Loeriesfontein below the turnoff from Pofadder on a west facing rock and light brown-red sand, Small plants, forms many bulblets at top of stems, 1 1/2 inch ivory flowers with light yellow centers and a light yellow reverse. Bracts 1/2 inch up from stem base. No scent. 1 inch leaves. + 7. Oxalis MV 4960B O. luteola? 20km southeast of Sutherland, on north facing gravel hill. Bulbs not winged, longer and narrower than 4960. 1 1/2 inch yellow flowers. Central leaf lobe is larger, green underside to leaf. Many tiny bulbs form near and above old bulbs. Bulbs 1 1/8 inch tall by 1/2 inch wide; dark reddish-brown, stiff thin tunics; pointed tip and bottom, bottom not as sharp. 8. Oxalis MV5667 O. luteola, 13,4km south of Nieuwoudtville, full sun, light brown soil. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers. 1 inch diameter leaves, very hairy on surface, green underside, Bracts on flower stems. + + 9. Oxalis MV 5752, yellow O. luteola. 20km into the Pakhuis Pass, 3/4-1 inch medium light golden yellow flowers with a wide shallow tube; 3/4 inch peduncle, Light green hairy sepals, Alternate linear bracts near base of petiole, Leaves dark glaucous, 3/4 inch diameter, red underside, red hairs at edges; light red 3/4 inch stems. Dense, dark leaves, to 3/4 in ch, red underside. Leaf rosettes 3 inches in diameter, 1 1/2 inches tall, very compact. + + NOTE: this is probably not O luteola! 10. Oxalis MV5117 O. commutata? Vanrhynshoek, half way up canyon, south slope. Very small rosettes and leaves, compact and dense. 1/2 inch lavender flowers well above the leaves. Petal reverse is half yellow, 1/2-3/4 inch leaves, Must have full sun, Flowers fragrant. + Enjoy Christiaan ----- Original Message ----- > Hello Everyone, > > The new PBS BX has quite a few of the late Michael Vassar's oxalis. I > found descriptions of some on the WIKI but would be interested in knowing > if Michael had passed on notes on his collection and if so, where could I > find them? > From plicht@berkeley.edu Mon Sep 14 10:51:40 2009 Message-Id: <4AAE585B.50407@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:51:07 -0700 For those of you in the SF Bay Area that haven't yet seen a Brunsvigia josephine in bloom, that a very large one is fully open in the Botanical Garden now. These bulbs are larger than footballs. These plants are the source of seedlings we offer. Rather than offsets, they appear to split in half. Paul Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. A new bulbous forum (Tomas Sandberg) > 2. Current Blooms (jmsjon664@aol.com) > 3. Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom (Ken) > 4. Current Blooms (Ina) > 5. Re: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom (Susan B) > 6. Re: Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis (Christiaan van Schalkwyk) > 7. Re: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom (Jim McKenney) > 8. Re: Current Blooms (J.E. Shields) > 9. Cyclamen Was: Current Blooms (J.E. Shields) > 10. Re: Lycoris/ Topic of the week (roy land) > 11. Re: Lycoris in bloom (Kelly Irvin) > 12. Re: Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis (hheaven77@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:42:55 +0200 > From: Tomas Sandberg > Subject: [pbs] A new bulbous forum > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <028ED752-1C89-4A6C-8D1B-11DA2F67DCCD@comhem.se> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi, > > Today I have change a lot at my forum, now the forum has several > different rooms and the name of the forum is www.bulbousspecies.eu > this url will hopefully work within a few days but the old url www.amstaffdogs.eu > works fine. > > Best > Tomas Sandberg > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:41:46 -0400 > From: jmsjon664@aol.com > Subject: [pbs] Current Blooms > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <8CC02EB45D3B4F4-13E4-183FB@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Colchicum autumnale is coming on strongly, both a white form and deep > pink 'Nancy Lindsey'. This species multiplies well and is relatively > tidy in flower and leaf. > Nerine filifolia is having a good year; also in bloom is the Archibald > offering of N. bowdenii, from 3000m in Lesotho, blooming a month ahead > of any others, as described. It took 7 years from sowing to flowering. > There are a few furtive blooms of Cyclamen hederifolium poking out of a > very protected spot. > Jim Jones > Lexington, MA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:00:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ken > Subject: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <689564.89421.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > 5th year of bloom for this 15-year old bulb from seed.? It seems fewer florets this year than last.? Also, 2 of its sibling bulbs which bloomed for the first time last year seem to be sitting 2009 out.? We've had a very dry year and I've provided no additional H2O.? A 4th sibling bulb is sending up its first scape this year.? Several other siblings have yet to bloom. > ? > http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3917385121/ > ? > Ken > San Diego, zone 10-11 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:27:46 +1200 > From: Ina > Subject: [pbs] Current Blooms > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <4AADAA22.4010808@orcon.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > There are a few furtive blooms of Cyclamen hederifolium poking out of a > very protected spot. > Jim Jones > Lexington, MA > > Are these the in between size Cyclamen? As mine have naturalised and > are one of my great joys over the winter months when they really go to > town flowering and are spreading around the garden. One plant I let > every seedling grow of. Even without the flowers, the leaf patterns > are attractive. Of course the zoning helps. > > Ina > Auckland New Zealand > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:52:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: Susan B > Subject: Re: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <298750.26158.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ken, that bulb scared me!? How big is it?? Compared to the wall next to it, it looks really large! > Susan > > --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Ken wrote: > > From: Ken > Subject: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 10:00 PM > > 5th year of bloom for this 15-year old bulb from seed.? It seems fewer florets this year than last.? Also, 2 of its sibling bulbs which bloomed for the first time last year seem to be sitting 2009 out.? We've had a very dry year and I've provided no additional H2O.? A 4th sibling bulb is sending up its first scape this year.? Several other siblings have yet to bloom. > ? > http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3917385121/ > ? > Ken > San Diego, zone 10-11 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:23:29 +0200 > From: "Christiaan van Schalkwyk" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Message-ID: <09177F9C33ED4A86875455F9E02C42CD@ElenaPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Celeste - and other interrested parties ! > > There is a complete list of his Oxalis collections available - and I were > fortunate to receive a printed copy of this list from a fellow pbs-er. I > scanned the list and converted it to a Word document (19 pages). > Unfortunately there are many spelling mistakes, and I haven't gotten round > to fix all these, and on the orriginal list those species that either did > not survive ar were destroyed are marked, which I have not yet done on the > Word document. This list, however, is available to those who want it (Please > request it PRIVATELY). (Should I upload it to the wiki?) > > I see that quite a few of those offered on the BX are labelled as O. > luteola. Although I do not have any of those offered, so I cannot speak for > them from observation, I do grow some other MV plants that he labelled as O > luteola, which are actually O. purpurea. This could be true of MV4960B, and > if you look at his description of MV5752, it is definitely not O. luteola. > The difference are as follows: O. purpurea OFTEN has shorter peduncles than > O luteola, the flowers are thus carried inside or just above the leaves, > while O luteola has much longer peduncles, thus the flowers are extended > above the leaves. BUT O. purpurea's bracts on the peduncle are ALWAYS > alternate, and at or below the middle of the peduncle, while that of O > luteola are at a articulation above the middle of the peduncle. There are > other differences, like the shape of the buds and the way the leaves dry > that are useful, but these could be quite tricky. > > The Oxalis with Michael Vasser Collection numbers offered on the latest BX > were the following: > 3. Oxalis MV5567, yellow, dark center > O. luteola. 1.2km up road to Paleisheuwel, 60km south of Clanwilliam, in > coarse red sand. 1 1/4 inch light yellow flowers with a more golden yellow > center; borne on 2 inch peduncles. Linear alternate bracts 1/2 inch up from > base. 1 1/4 inch dark green leaves with red hairs at edges, red underside, > stems green, center lobe largest, on 2 inch stems. Bracts alternate, linear, > ? halfway down stems.. Compact plants, Bulbs dark brown, 1 1/4 inch tall by > 3/4 inch wide, tapered at top and bottom; sand sticking to bulbs. + + > > 4. Oxalis MV6341 > O. obtusa. Niuwoudtville area, Bulbs were among bulbs of Lachenalia elegans > var. suoveolens. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers two inches above the > leaves. Bracts one inch below the flowers, No scent. 3/4 inch leaves in > tight, compact rosettes. + + > > 5. Oxalis MV5630A > O. sp. Vanrhynshoek, top of mountain in a level area among big rocks in a > dark red, heavy soil. Small, non-winged, light brown bulbs, 3/4 inch light > lavender-pink flowers, No bracts. Light sweet scent. Tiny, tufted plants. > Plant early. > > 6. Oxalis MV5532, white/yellow > O. ambigua. 123.6km south towards Loeriesfontein below the turnoff from > Pofadder on a west facing rock and light brown-red sand, Small plants, forms > many bulblets at top of stems, 1 1/2 inch ivory flowers with light yellow > centers and a light yellow reverse. Bracts 1/2 inch up from stem base. No > scent. 1 inch leaves. + > > 7. Oxalis MV 4960B > O. luteola? 20km southeast of Sutherland, on north facing gravel hill. Bulbs > not winged, longer and narrower than 4960. 1 1/2 inch yellow flowers. > Central leaf lobe is larger, green underside to leaf. Many tiny bulbs form > near and above old bulbs. Bulbs 1 1/8 inch tall by 1/2 inch wide; dark > reddish-brown, stiff thin tunics; pointed tip and bottom, bottom not as > sharp. > > 8. Oxalis MV5667 > O. luteola, 13,4km south of Nieuwoudtville, full sun, light brown soil. 1 > 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers. 1 inch diameter leaves, very hairy on > surface, green underside, Bracts on flower stems. + + > > 9. Oxalis MV 5752, yellow > O. luteola. 20km into the Pakhuis Pass, 3/4-1 inch medium light golden > yellow flowers with a wide shallow tube; 3/4 inch peduncle, Light green > hairy sepals, Alternate linear bracts near base of petiole, Leaves dark > glaucous, 3/4 inch diameter, red underside, red hairs at edges; light red > 3/4 inch stems. Dense, dark leaves, to 3/4 inch, red underside. Leaf > rosettes 3 inches in diameter, 1 1/2 inches tall, very compact. + + > NOTE: this is probably not O luteola! > > 10. Oxalis MV5117 > O. commutata? Vanrhynshoek, half way up canyon, south slope. Very small > rosettes and leaves, compact and dense. 1/2 inch lavender flowers well above > the leaves. Petal reverse is half yellow, 1/2-3/4 inch leaves, Must have > full sun, Flowers fragrant. + > > Enjoy > Christiaan > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> The new PBS BX has quite a few of the late Michael Vassar's oxalis. I >> found descriptions of some on the WIKI but would be interested in knowing >> if Michael had passed on notes on his collection and if so, where could I >> find them? > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:26:59 -0400 > From: "Jim McKenney" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Message-ID: <000001ca352e$465f5120$2f01a8c0@Library> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ken, that's amazing! What are the dimensions of these? In the photos they > look huge. > > Jim McKenney > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:15:47 -0400 > From: "J.E. Shields" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Current Blooms > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090914081019.02474fc0@pop.indy.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > I just noticed late yesterday that three pots of Nerine bowdenii are > sending up a scape: Two separate accessions of N. bowdenii wellsii and one > of N. bowdenii "Koen's Hardy." My bowdenii seem to bloom anytime from > September to December. > > A pot of N. filifolia is just about to open flowers, and a pot of N. > filamentosa is in bloom. These seem to be a little later than usual, but I > have not been keeping careful records. > > Jim Shields > in cool (50?F/10?C) Westfield, Indiana > USA > > > > ************************************************* > Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. > P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ > Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA > Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:20:07 -0400 > From: "J.E. Shields" > Subject: [pbs] Cyclamen Was: Current Blooms > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20090914081654.025f2640@pop.indy.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I've gradually lost all my C. coum and C. hederifolium; in fact, I lost all > but C. graecum. Only C. graecum survives the summer in the greenhouse, > bone dry under a bench. The greenhouse is very hot in summer! All the > others died in summer if left in the greenhouse or in winter if planted > outdoors. > > C. graecum is starting to bloom in my greenhouse now. > > Jim Shields > in Westfield, Indiana > USA > > > > ************************************************* > Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. > P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ > Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA > Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:24:41 -0500 > From: roy land > Subject: Re: [pbs] Lycoris/ Topic of the week > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > greetings > > lycoris radiata is just sending up buds in my area, immediately south of dallas texas. we are indeed lucky to live in an area where they not only grow, but thrive on neglect. > glen > dallas texas soggy zone 8a > > >> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:18:37 -0700 >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> From: msittner@mcn.org >> Subject: [pbs] Lycoris/ Topic of the week >> >> Hi, >> >> Some of you who are new to our list will not be familiar with the Topic of >> the Week. For a time in 2002 and in 2003 and 2004 I organized a topic of >> the week and found someone to introduce it and then invited people on this >> list to discuss the topic in response to the introduction and everyone's >> posts. There was a wealth of information generated which I later linked to >> the wiki: >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/TOW >> >> This summer there has been a fair amount of discussion about Lycoris and >> Jim Waddick has after the fact written a very complete introduction to this >> genus. He has also sent me additional photos. I have added both to the >> wiki. One of the things I found very interesting as we were working on this >> is that he believes many of the "species" are really natural hybrids. So >> for all of you out there who are fortunate to live in an area when you can >> easily grow this genus (and to the world who will find this information >> through the pbs wiki and a Google search) here is the link: >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris >> >> Clicking on Garden Lycoris and More will open what Jim has written in a new >> window. But you can also access it directly here: >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Lycoris/Garden_Lycoris_and_More.pdf >> >> Thanks Jim for providing this and everyone feel free to comment just as if >> this was a topic of the week. And if anyone else has something they would >> like to introduce as a topic of the week spontaneously without an organized >> program to do this, this could be a model of a way to do it. >> >> Mary Sue >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:18:28 -0500 > From: Kelly Irvin > Subject: Re: [pbs] Lycoris in bloom > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <4AAE50B4.1090400@irvincentral.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Here, too, Glen. The very first Lycoris radiata var. radiata flower > stalks started emerging August 31st with first bloom beginning last > week. Lycoris 'Blushing Lady' came up about a week before that. That > particular variety did not do so well this year, but it needs a little > protection from the winter cold here in zone 6, and I had problems in > that arena this past winter. L. rad-rad is one of the easiest to grow in > addition to being so beautiful in bloom. > > Mr. Kelly M. Irvin > 10850 Hodge Ln > Gravette, AR 72736 > USA > 479-787-9958 > USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b > > http://www.irvincentral.com/ > > > > roy land wrote: > >> greetings >> >> lycoris radiata is just sending up buds in my area, immediately south of dallas texas. we are indeed lucky to live in an area where they not only grow, but thrive on neglect. >> glen >> dallas texas soggy zone 8a >> >> >> >>> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:18:37 -0700 >>> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> From: msittner@mcn.org >>> Subject: [pbs] Lycoris/ Topic of the week >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Some of you who are new to our list will not be familiar with the Topic of >>> the Week. For a time in 2002 and in 2003 and 2004 I organized a topic of >>> the week and found someone to introduce it and then invited people on this >>> list to discuss the topic in response to the introduction and everyone's >>> posts. There was a wealth of information generated which I later linked to >>> the wiki: >>> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/TOW >>> >>> This summer there has been a fair amount of discussion about Lycoris and >>> Jim Waddick has after the fact written a very complete introduction to this >>> genus. He has also sent me additional photos. I have added both to the >>> wiki. One of the things I found very interesting as we were working on this >>> is that he believes many of the "species" are really natural hybrids. So >>> for all of you out there who are fortunate to live in an area when you can >>> easily grow this genus (and to the world who will find this information >>> through the pbs wiki and a Google search) here is the link: >>> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris >>> >>> Clicking on Garden Lycoris and More will open what Jim has written in a new >>> window. But you can also access it directly here: >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Lycoris/Garden_Lycoris_and_More.pdf >>> >>> Thanks Jim for providing this and everyone feel free to comment just as if >>> this was a topic of the week. And if anyone else has something they would >>> like to introduce as a topic of the week spontaneously without an organized >>> program to do this, this could be a model of a way to do it. >>> >>> Mary Sue >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>> >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:39:00 -0400 > From: hheaven77@aol.com > Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <8CC03603B8E0E3F-3398-3B0CB@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks for your reply Christiaan. ?The information you pass along will be helpful to many! > Celeste Gornick > > Phoenix, AZ > > 7:37 a.m. and 83.4 F ? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christiaan van Schalkwyk > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 3:23 am > Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis > > > > > > > > > Hi Celeste - and other interrested parties ! > > There is a complete list of his Oxalis collections available - and I were > fortunate to receive a printed copy of this list from a fellow pbs-er. I > scanned the list and converted it to a Word document (19 pages). > Unfortunately there are many spelling mistakes, and I haven't gotten round > to fix all these, and on the orriginal list those species that either did > not survive ar were destroyed are marked, which I have not yet done on the > Word document. This list, however, is available to those who want it (Please > request it PRIVATELY). (Should I upload it to the wiki?) > > I see that quite a few of those offered on the BX are labelled as O. > luteola. Although I do not have any of those offered, so I cannot speak for > them from observation, I do grow some other MV plants that he labelled as O > luteola, which are actually O. purpurea. This could be true of MV4960B, and > if you look at his description of MV5752, it is definitely not O. luteola. > The difference are as follows: O. purpurea OFTEN has shorter peduncles than > O luteola, the flowers a > re thus carried inside or just above the leaves, > while O luteola has much longer peduncles, thus the flowers are extended > above the leaves. BUT O. purpurea's bracts on the peduncle are ALWAYS > alternate, and at or below the middle of the peduncle, while that of O > luteola are at a articulation above the middle of the peduncle. There are > other differences, like the shape of the buds and the way the leaves dry > that are useful, but these could be quite tricky. > > The Oxalis with Michael Vasser Collection numbers offered on the latest BX > were the following: > 3. Oxalis MV5567, yellow, dark center > O. luteola. 1.2km up road to Paleisheuwel, 60km south of Clanwilliam, in > coarse red sand. 1 1/4 inch light yellow flowers with a more golden yellow > center; borne on 2 inch peduncles. Linear alternate bracts 1/2 inch up from > base. 1 1/4 inch dark green leaves with red hairs at edges, red underside, > stems green, center lobe largest, on 2 inch stems. Bracts alternate, linear, > ? halfway down stems.. Compact plants, Bulbs dark brown, 1 1/4 inch tall by > 3/4 inch wide, tapered at top and bottom; sand sticking to bulbs. + + > > 4. Oxalis MV6341 > O. obtusa. Niuwoudtville area, Bulbs were among bulbs of Lachenalia elegans > var. suoveolens. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers two inches above the > leaves. Bracts one inch below the flowers, No scent. 3/4 inch leaves in > tight, compact rosettes. + + > > 5. Oxalis MV5630A > O. sp. Vanrhynshoek, top of mountain in a level area among big rocks in=2 > 0a > dark red, heavy soil. Small, non-winged, light brown bulbs, 3/4 inch light > lavender-pink flowers, No bracts. Light sweet scent. Tiny, tufted plants. > Plant early. > > 6. Oxalis MV5532, white/yellow > O. ambigua. 123.6km south towards Loeriesfontein below the turnoff from > Pofadder on a west facing rock and light brown-red sand, Small plants, forms > many bulblets at top of stems, 1 1/2 inch ivory flowers with light yellow > centers and a light yellow reverse. Bracts 1/2 inch up from stem base. No > scent. 1 inch leaves. + > > 7. Oxalis MV 4960B > O. luteola? 20km southeast of Sutherland, on north facing gravel hill. Bulbs > not winged, longer and narrower than 4960. 1 1/2 inch yellow flowers. > Central leaf lobe is larger, green underside to leaf. Many tiny bulbs form > near and above old bulbs. Bulbs 1 1/8 inch tall by 1/2 inch wide; dark > reddish-brown, stiff thin tunics; pointed tip and bottom, bottom not as > sharp. > > 8. Oxalis MV5667 > O. luteola, 13,4km south of Nieuwoudtville, full sun, light brown soil. 1 > 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers. 1 inch diameter leaves, very hairy on > surface, green underside, Bracts on flower stems. + + > > 9. Oxalis MV 5752, yellow > O. luteola. 20km into the Pakhuis Pass, 3/4-1 inch medium light golden > yellow flowers with a wide shallow tube; 3/4 inch peduncle, Light green > hairy sepals, Alternate linear bracts near base of petiole, Leaves dark > glaucous, 3/4 inch diameter, red underside, red hairs at edges; light red > 3/4 inch stems. Dense, dark leaves, to 3/4 in > ch, red underside. Leaf > rosettes 3 inches in diameter, 1 1/2 inches tall, very compact. + + > NOTE: this is probably not O luteola! > > 10. Oxalis MV5117 > O. commutata? Vanrhynshoek, half way up canyon, south slope. Very small > rosettes and leaves, compact and dense. 1/2 inch lavender flowers well above > the leaves. Petal reverse is half yellow, 1/2-3/4 inch leaves, Must have > full sun, Flowers fragrant. + > > Enjoy > Christiaan > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Hello Everyone, >> >> The new PBS BX has quite a few of the late Michael Vassar's oxalis. I >> found descriptions of some on the WIKI but would be interested in knowing >> if Michael had passed on notes on his collection and if so, where could I >> find them? > >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16 > *********************************** > > From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Mon Sep 14 11:42:55 2009 Message-Id: <000801ca3552$0728b860$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Late summer miscellany Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:42:55 -0400 Rhodophiala bifida has a spathe up. Nearby grows Amaryllis belladonna: its fist sized bulb sticks out of the ground and is rock hard, but there is no sign of activity. Acis (Leucojum) autumnale is blooming in some local gardens, but not yet in mine. And the first colchicums are up. Last year I purchased two potted dahlias being sold as bedding plants. They are representatives of a series named ‘Mystic’ dahlias, and (I’ve since learned – isn’t Google great!) were raised in New Zealand by one Dr. Keith Hammet I’m not a dahlia enthusiast, but these plants are a bit different and caught my eye. They have very dark, finely divided foliage and single flowers. Last year I grew them in pots, but this year they are in the ground. They are about three or four feet tall and the contrast between the bright flowers and the dark foliage is very nice. The one named ‘Mystic Desire’ has intense orange-red flowers and the one named ‘Mystic Illusion’ has yellow flowers with a dark center. I didn’t plant these until the last week of June, and they are just coming into their prime. These are a very handsome addition to the late summer border. Is anyone else growing these? I noticed the there is a seed strain called ‘Bishop’s Children’ which might be somewhat similar to these ‘Mystic’ dahlias. Does anyone know or grow it? Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From marie-paule.opdenakker@pandora.be Mon Sep 14 12:39:53 2009 Message-Id: <4DEBD961AB90495A92C9D2A01908A836@PCvanmpaule> From: "Marie-Paule" Subject: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:39:38 +0200 Jesus, what a great big bulb!!! thank You for sharing this. Marie-Paule Regards, Belgium ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom 5th year of bloom for this 15-year old bulb from seed. It seems fewer florets this year than last. Also, 2 of its sibling bulbs which bloomed for the first time last year seem to be sitting 2009 out. We've had a very dry year and I've provided no additional H2O. A 4th sibling bulb is sending up its first scape this year. Several other siblings have yet to bloom. http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3917385121/ Ken San Diego, zone 10-11 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4422 (20090913) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon Sep 14 13:42:13 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Current Blooms Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:42:00 -0700 Ina in New Zealand asked if Cyclamen hederifolium is "the in-between-sized cyclamen," and I think she is referring to it being intermediate in size between C. persicum (which would be an outdoor plant in her area, though not in much of Europe or North America) and C. coum, another one that will naturalize in gardens. I was surprised to read that Jim Shields can't grow C. hederifolium outdoors, because people in even colder parts of North America do, such as in upstate New York. Perhaps drainage is the problem? Jim, do you grow C. purpurascens outdoors? It has been very successful in some Midwest gardens, though I can't make it happy in Oregon. C. hederifolium has been in full bloom here for a couple of weeks, and just as it started up, I went around and lifted and potted a lot of the white forms to be sure I have a good supply of them to take to my new garden next summer. Here in western Oregon this species naturalizes very readily, as it has for Ina, and even pops up in lawns. I haven't seen it out in natural areas, though; the seeds are distributed by ants and are rather heavy and sticky, so it doesn't get too far. You can always tell a house where a serious gardener has ever lived around here, by the presence of this species, which will persist forever. Another species growable outdoors in moderate climates and flowering in fall is C. mirabile, which is smaller but also has pretty leaves, especially when they first emerge and the light markings are flushed pink. Colchicum are starting to flower here: the early C. bivonae selections and hybrids, the garden plant known as C. "byzantinum album," C. x agrippinum, and an assortment of little species in the bulb frames, including those formerly known as Merendera. Every year I get to make the acquaintance of new species as seedlings finally flower; the seeds can take up to 5 years to germinate, and then 4 or 5 years to flower. A first bloom right now is C. sfikasianum from Greece, and I was interested to see that it appears to be identical to an unidentified plant given me a couple of years ago by Roger MacFarlane, who had collected it in Greece; the two, in separate frames, opened their flowers within 2 days of each other. I find that the succession of flowering in Colchicum species is very consistent from year to year. It must be triggered by temperature. The crocuses haven't started yet, so the other interest in the frames is in the fall-flowering Scilla species, recently transferred to a genus Prospero, and in Acis (formerly Leucojum in part). Scilla, or Prospero, autumnalis, with lavender flowers, is the best-known of the former, a very easy plant to grow, flowering from seed in 2 years and ripening seed remarkably fast: I grew mine from seed I collected in Greece in roadside colonies that still had flowers too. Scilla intermedia and S. obtusifolia (I don't know if they are Prospero or whatever S. scilloides became) are very similar species, a little larger than S. autumnalis, with pink flowers. Besides Acis autumnalis, which naturalizes in this region, A. valentina is in bloom. This is larger than A. autumnalis and pure white (there is also a pure white form of A. autumnalis called 'September Snow', which seems prepared to seed itself true), and its flowers open more widely; it is quite beautiful. Soon there will be A. rosea, a tiny pink one, but it is tender and has to be kept in the solarium over winter. All these plants except Acis rosea have been winter-hardy with rain protection to about 20 degrees F / minus 6 degrees C, and do well with a dry summer dormancy. Indeed, the wild forms of Cyclamen persicum are too, and even the gaudy florist forms of it survive at my brother's place in the California Coast Range, where they get a few degrees of frost every winter. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From totototo@telus.net Mon Sep 14 14:23:50 2009 Message-Id: <4AAE27C3.20055.3420BD7@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Late summer miscellany Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:23:47 -0700 On 14 Sep 2009, at 11:42, Jim McKenney wrote: > Last year I purchased two potted dahlias . . . representatives of a series > named ‘Mystic’ dahlias . . . Is anyone else growing these? You bet. I found Mystic Dreamer (magenta-white blend) and was absolutely taken by it, later found Mystic Illusioon (yellow). Great plants. BUT: they need a lot of water! In a pot they will wilt if not watered regularly. I think they may chase the "Bishop" dahlias off the market, given that the Mystic series have foliage that's close to black, not just "dark". Great minds think alike, and they plant the same dahlias too! -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From klazina@orcon.net.nz Mon Sep 14 15:09:34 2009 Message-Id: <4AAE94F0.70806@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: Late summer miscellany Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:09:36 +1200 Interesting to hear Keith Hammett's name from overseas. Here in New Zealand he is a very big name in developing new hybrids in Dahlias, Tree Dahlias, sweet peas, Clivias amongst several others. Which is why I am so pleased to have one of his A. Belladonnas, although it may only be one he acquired for future use. Ina Crossley Zone 9-10 Auckland New Zealand Last year I purchased two potted dahlias being sold as bedding plants. They are representatives of a series named ?Mystic? dahlias, and (I?ve since learned ? isn?t Google great!) were raised in New Zealand by one Dr. Keith Hammet I?m not a dahlia enthusiast, but these plants are a bit different and caught my eye. They have very dark, finely divided foliage and single flowers. Last year I grew them in pots, but this year they are in the ground. They are about three or four feet tall and the contrast between the bright flowers and the dark foliage is very nice. The one named ?Mystic Desire? has intense orange-red flowers and the one named ?Mystic Illusion? has yellow flowers with a dark center. I didn?t plant these until the last week of June, and they are just coming into their prime. These are a very handsome addition to the late summer border. Is anyone else growing these? Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, zone 7 From JmsJon664@aol.com Mon Sep 14 16:58:21 2009 Message-Id: <8CC039521ADD9CE-13E4-24950@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> From: jmsjon664@aol.com Subject: Current Blooms Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:57:42 -0400 Hi Jane, I'm going to take advantage of the ambiguity in your question addressed to 'Jim' to wade in with a reply: yes, I do grow Cyclamen purpurascens, probably v. fatrense, which is succeeding to the extent of self-sowing. Flowering stopped about a month ago but the patch of cyclamen leaves continues to thrill. Jim Jones Lexington, MA -----Original Message----- From: Jane McGary To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Current Blooms Ina in New Zealand asked if Cyclamen hederifolium is "the in-between-sized cyclamen," and I think she is referring to it being intermediate in size between C. persicum (which would be an outdoor plant in her area, though not in much of Europe or North America) and C. coum, another one that will naturalize in gardens. I was surprised to read that Jim Shields can't grow C. hederifolium outdoors, because people in even colder parts of North America do, such as in upstate New York. Perhaps drainage is the problem? Jim, do you grow C. purpurascens outdoors? It has been very successful in some Midwest gardens, though I can't make it happy in Oregon. C. hederifolium has been in full bloom here for a couple of weeks, and just as it started up, I went around and lifted and potted a lot of the white forms to be sure I have a good supply of them to take to my new garden next summer. Here in western Oregon this species naturalizes very readily, as it has for Ina, and even pops up in lawns. I haven't seen it out in natural areas, though; the seeds are distributed by ants and are rather heavy and sticky, so it doesn't get too far. You can always tell a house where a serious gardener has ever lived around here, by the presence of this species, which will persist forever. Another species growable outdoors in moderate climates and flowering in fall is C. mirabile, which is smaller but also has pretty leaves, especially when they first emerge and the light markings are flushed pink. Colchicum are starting to flower here: the early C. bivonae selections and hybrids, the garden plant known as C. "byzantinum album," C. x agrippinum, and an assortment of little species in the bulb frames, including those formerly known as Merendera. Every year I get to make the acquaintance of new species as seedlings finally flower; the seeds can take up to 5 years to germinate, and then 4 or 5 years to flower. A first bloom right now is C. sfikasianum from Greece, and I was interested to see that it appears to be identical to an unidentified plant given me a couple of years ago by Roger MacFarlane, who had collected it in Greece; the two, in separate frames, opened their flowers within 2 days of each other. I find that the succession of flowering in Colchicum species is very consistent from year to year. It must be triggered by temperature. The crocuses haven't started yet, so the other interest in the frames is in the fall-flowering Scilla species, recently transferred to a genus Prospero, and in Acis (formerly Leucojum in part). Scilla, or Prospero, autumnalis, with lavender flowers, is the best-known of the former, a very easy plant to grow, flowering from seed in 2 years and ripening seed remarkably fast: I grew mine from seed I collected in Greece in roadside colonies that still had flowers too. Scilla intermedia and S. obtusifolia (I don't know if they are Prospero or whatever S. scilloides became) are very similar species, a little larger than S. autumnalis, with pink flowers. Besides Acis autumnalis, which naturalizes in this region, A. valentina is in bloom. This is larger than A. autumnalis and pure white (there is also a pure white form of A. autumnalis called 'September Snow', which seems prepared to seed itself true), and its flowers open more widely; it is quite beautiful. Soon there will be A. rosea, a tiny pink one, but it is tender and has to be kept in the solarium over winter. All these plants except Acis rosea have been winter-hardy with rain protection to about 20 degrees F / minus 6 degrees C, and do well with a dry summer dormancy. Indeed, the wild forms of Cyclamen persicum are too, and even the gaudy florist forms of it survive at my brother's place in the California Coast Range, where they get a few degrees of frost every winter. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From samarak@gizmoworks.com Mon Sep 14 17:55:40 2009 Message-Id: From: Steve Marak Subject: Habenaria radiata Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:55:38 -0500 (CDT) Jim, Several things in your note caught my eye, and I'd appreciate any further comments from you or others who grow this plant. I don't have H. radiata, though I grow several other Habenarias in the greenhouse, including the "duck orchid", Pecteilis sagarikii, which is one in all but name (and used to be in that, as well). All have a seasonal dormancy, and some are touchier about it than others - the most sensitive rot if too wet, and dessicate if too dry. Others, like the Pecteilis, seem indifferent (unless kept very wet while dormant). I've seen H. radiata advertised in several catalogs as being hardy into USDA zone 5 - but many of those catalogs seem to be remarkably optimistic in their hardiness estimates, to put it diplomatically. On the other hand, it's certainly possible. Your note suggests that H. radiata will tolerate either dry or wet during its winter dormancy? Steve On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Jim McKenney wrote: > Habenaria radiata (aka Pecteilis radiata, Platanthera radiata) is blooming > here now. This is such a cool little plant, and it’s easily grown. > > Past experience here has shown that while the plants are winter hardy here > in the bog trays, the plants are so small that they get lost in such a > setting. For me it has been easier to grow them in a low pot during the > summer and store the corms in the refrigerator during the winter. I keep it > wet during the summer and dry during the winter, and so far that has worked > for me for years. -- Steve Marak -- samarak@gizmoworks.com From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Mon Sep 14 18:12:54 2009 Message-Id: <000901ca3588$7eebafc0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Habenaria radiata Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:12:48 -0400 Hi Steve, glad to see you’re interested in this neat little plant. I know nothing about the subtropical Habenaria; I’ve seen pictures (very very cool looking flowers), but that’s it. Habenaria radiata does seem to be hardy here. Although I said it has survived the winter in the bog trays, the name “bog trays” might be a bit misleading. These bog trays are trays (wood sides, screen bottoms) about 8’ x 1’ which sit at the edge of my waterlily pool on shelves which allow the bottom of the tray to be submerged when the water level is high (sorry for this awful sentence – I’m in a hurry). However, as soon as the water level drops, the trays stand high and, sometimes, dry. I don’t monitor the water level much if at all during the winter. The plants in the trays have to be tolerant of soil which is not saturated at all times. From my experience with this plant, I would say that it can be wintered dry and cool/cold or wet and cool/cold. In recent years I’ve found it easier to simply dig out the corms in the autumn and store them in the refrigerator in a zip lock bag with a bit of damp paper towel. They are so small that it is easy to lose track of them. I’ve known Rhodohypoxis to survive the winter in these bog trays, although they eventually disappeared. That might have been due to rodent predation rather than lack of cold tolerance – I’ll try that experiment again one of these days. Habenaria radiata propagates slowly but surely; grow it for a couple of years under protection and you’ll soon have a bunch of corms to experiment with. Good luck and let us know what happens. Bonaventure, are you still with us? If so, Steve might benefit from your input, too. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From kjblack@pacbell.net Mon Sep 14 19:30:54 2009 Message-Id: <572442.51530.qm@web80408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ken Subject: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Hello Susan, Jim & Marie,   From above, the bulb appears oval shaped ... 11" x 9" and is slightly over 9" high from the soil surface.  My understanding is these generally grow 1/2 to 2/3 about the soil, so overall height is probably in the 13 - 18" range.  It is a large bulb but I suspect perhaps only moderately so for this species.  The mother of this one was larger and I've seen a considerably larger bulb of this species (with at least one offset) at the UC Irvine Botanic Garden, which I suspect is probably blooming right now.   If I can swing it, I may make a trip to UCI this coming weekend and will take some photos.   Anybody have photos from UC Berkeley's specimen this year ... or other Brunsvigias?    Ken Ken, that bulb scared me!  How big is it?  Compared to the wall next to it, it looks really large! ... 5th year of bloom for this 15-year old bulb from seed.  It seems fewer florets this year than last.  Also, 2 of its sibling bulbs which bloomed for the first time last year seem to be sitting 2009 out.  We've had a very dry year and I've provided no additional H2O.  A 4th sibling bulb is sending up its first scape this year.  Several other siblings have yet to bloom.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3917385121/   From kjblack@pacbell.net Mon Sep 14 20:17:02 2009 Message-Id: <858585.77732.qm@web80402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ken Subject: Cyrtanthus herrei ... where the heck are the stigmas/styles? Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Does C.herrei produce no pistil or have multiple stigma/styles?  I have been unable to ID the stigma (stigmas?) in these florets.  There appear to be 6 appendages matching the 6 stamens, but these do not seem receptive.  My close-up vision is waning as I pass through my sixth decade.  Help!     http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3920699987/sizes/o/   Ken San Diego From zigur@hotmail.com Mon Sep 14 20:20:59 2009 Message-Id: From: Tim Harvey Subject: Cyrtanthus herrei ... where the heck are the stigmas/styles? Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:19:10 -0700 From your pictures it looks like it's right in the middle where you'd expect ... T > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:16:55 -0700 > From: kjblack@pacbell.net > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Cyrtanthus herrei ... where the heck are the stigmas/styles? > > Does C.herrei produce no pistil or have multiple stigma/styles? I have been unable to ID the stigma (stigmas?) in these florets. There appear to be 6 appendages matching the 6 stamens, but these do not seem receptive. My close-up vision is waning as I pass through my sixth decade. Help! > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3920699987/sizes/o/ > > Ken > San Diego > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From plicht@berkeley.edu Mon Sep 14 22:35:05 2009 Message-Id: <4AAEFD3F.8020107@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:34:39 -0700 Ken The currently blooming 'josephine' in Berkeley looks very much like the photo of it already posted on the PBS wiki. I just made some measurements related to this discussion. The pedicle is 22" from the top of the bulb and the open inflorescence measures about 22" X 34". This years bloom is on a side bulb of the largest one that extends 22" above the surface of the soil, and I would estimate that only about 1/3 more is below the surface. They are football shaped. This plant has been in our collection since 1990, but I haven't had time to look up what it was like when we got it. We have several this size which have split. We usually get one bloom from the combination each year but they can definitely skip years. Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu Ken wrote: > Hello Susan, Jim & Marie, > > >From above, the bulb appears oval shaped ... 11" x 9" and is slightly over 9" high from the soil surface. My understanding is these generally grow 1/2 to 2/3 about the soil, so overall height is probably in the 13 - 18" range. It is a large bulb but I suspect perhaps only moderately so for this species. The mother of this one was larger and I've seen a considerably larger bulb of this species (with at least one offset) at the UC Irvine Botanic Garden, which I suspect is probably blooming right now. If I can swing it, I may make a trip to UCI this coming weekend and will take some photos. > > Anybody have photos from UC Berkeley's specimen this year ... or other Brunsvigias? > > > Ken > > > > Ken, that bulb scared me! How big is it? Compared to the wall next to it, it looks really large! > ... > 5th year of bloom for this 15-year old bulb from seed. It seems fewer florets this year than last. Also, 2 of its sibling bulbs which bloomed for the first time last year seem to be sitting 2009 out. We've had a very dry year and I've provided no additional H2O. A 4th sibling bulb is sending up its first scape this year. Several other siblings have yet to bloom. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3917385121/ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > From totototo@telus.net Mon Sep 14 23:46:28 2009 Message-Id: <4AAEAB96.9342.4ED415@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Current Blooms Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:46:14 -0700 On 14 Sep 2009, at 10:42, Jane McGary wrote: > [Cyclamen] hederifolium... I haven't seen it out in natural areas I just today noticed a nice stand of it by the side of Blenkinsop Rd, a pseudo- rural splubburb. And it's gradually colonizing the 280' long lane leading to my place, with at least one plant nearly to the far end. Ants? Possibly. However, 25 years or more ago, I scattered a large quantity of seed in a municipal park that is rather wild, but I've never seen any sign of it. I suspect the young seed-pearl-like seedlings cannot handle the intense summer drought they exprience there. C. hederifolium flowers more profusely if watered from time to time in the summer. > Soon there will be [Acis] rosea, a tiny pink one, but it is tender and has to be > kept in the solarium over winter. If you water it during the summer, it will come into flower much earlier. My large pot of it has been in flower for weeks, and I'm getting a lot of seed off it to send off to the AGS & SRGC. I agree: it's tender. I leave mine out as long as possible, since it is in full leaf. When frost threatens it goes into the carport; if it's a hard freeze forecast, it goes into a frost-free storage room. Is Acis valentina hardy? -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From maxwithers@gmail.com Tue Sep 15 00:44:50 2009 Message-Id: <51e9bfed0909142144q4894731v4d4e45760a82f0f3@mail.gmail.com> From: Max Withers Subject: various Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:44:48 -0700 Modest input on several recent topics: 1. Earlier this year I decided that I am going to have to grow much more Dahlia 'Bishop of Llandaff' notwithstanding my reluctance to water in the summer. Thanks for the tip, Jim, I will look into the 'mystics' as well. 2. I'm enjoying my first Colchicum bloom ever! ('Glory of Heemstede', from Russell Stafford). No idea why they didn't bloom last year. Also blooming is a Eucomis -- I think vandermerwei, but I have lost track of which is which, and I have had trouble blooming these as well. Perhaps related to my approach to summer water. 3. I am going to try to get up to UCBG this week, in which case I will photograph the Brunsvigias in addition to attempting to purchase their offspring. Best, Max Withers Oakland CA where there was uncommonly early rain and even thunder this weekend. From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue Sep 15 12:18:52 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Current Blooms Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:07:08 -0700 Rodger asked, Is Acis valentina hardy? Its been through about 20 F (minus 6 C) inside the bulb frames, but that means it didn't have water on the foliage when it froze. I would be cautious about putting it outdoors, but may try one bulb when I move to a slightly warmer spot. Of the spring-flowering Acis species, I think A. tingitana and A. nicaeensis could be grown outdoors in the Pacific Northwest, but A. trichophylla seems less resilient after a hard freeze. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From bonaventure@optonline.net Tue Sep 15 21:01:20 2009 Message-Id: From: bonaventure@optonline.net Subject: Habenaria radiata Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:01:16 +0000 (GMT) Hi Jim and all, I've been growing this plant in bog containers, shallow troughs filled with either NJ Pinelands "sugar sand" or with live sphagnum. Watered with rain water or distilled, if that runs out, they take full sun in the summer and are exposed to winter freeze and wind with no protection. This year I have seed pods on them frompollen collected off wild Platanthera bicolor, ciliaris, and clavellata. Bonaventure Magrys From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Thu Sep 17 00:10:29 2009 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Flowering 2009 HD (YouTube video) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:10:27 -0700 Osmani just posted this beautiful YouTube video on his Facebook account. A lot of the flowers shown are geophytes, so I think it's not off topic...! --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a From Blee811@aol.com Thu Sep 17 00:20:38 2009 Message-Id: From: Blee811@aol.com Subject: Flowering 2009 HD (YouTube video) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:20:27 EDT In a message dated 9/17/2009 12:10:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wpoulsen@pacbell.net writes: Osmani just posted this beautiful YouTube video on his Facebook account. A lot of the flowers shown are geophytes, so I think it's not off topic...! Fascinating! Especially the yellow Lycoris! Bill Lee From klazina@orcon.net.nz Thu Sep 17 02:04:09 2009 Message-Id: <4AB1D14A.7010905@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: Flowering 2009 HD (YouTube video) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:54 +1200 Beautiful!!! Ina Osmani just posted this beautiful YouTube video on his Facebook account. A lot of the flowers shown are geophytes, so I think it's not off topic...! --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4432 (20090917) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marie-paule.opdenakker@pandora.be Thu Sep 17 07:28:17 2009 Message-Id: From: "Marie-Paule" Subject: Youtube Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:28:14 +0200 That is beautiful, and so relaxing to look at. Marie-Paule Belgium From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Thu Sep 17 08:51:45 2009 Message-Id: <14926.36893.qm@web86307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: Youtube Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:51:43 +0000 (GMT) Delightful photos and fun to identify as they are shown. But I can't help wondering which of the plants needed acting help or jump suits. See the credits at the end.   Brian Whyer, Buckingahmshire, England, zone ~8 Colchicum speciosum Album just coming to its peak.   From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu Sep 17 10:01:04 2009 Message-Id: <000601ca379f$465abd40$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Flowering 2009 HD (YouTube video) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:00:54 -0400 I went into the video thinking it was something Osmani had made; as I watched the progression of plants, I was thinking “wow, they must have a lively florist industry down there”. The Lycoris had me expecting Rhodophiala next, but the selection of plants definitely did not have a South American flavor. By the time the video got to Lilium hansonii, my suspicions were high. And then I saw the credits: it’s a Japanese production. After watching this, I discovered that there is a whole category of videos called “relaxation videos”. Great! Thanks Lee and Osmani. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From cruiseone@value.net Thu Sep 17 14:37:11 2009 Message-Id: <2DB14F40E257434494E422DDF1D61E40@Desktop> From: "Dianne Martinelli, CruiseOne" Subject: Seed, Bulb, Plant Inventory Software Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:36:57 -0700 I have been researching software to keep track of my seeds, bulbs and plants not only that I have them, but where they are located in my gardens. I have looked at Pleasant Lake Software and am trialing it for 30 days. The other software package I looked at was Plantstep, however there focus is mainly on Daylilies. I am currently keeping track via Excel spreadsheets. Does anyone have a software program they are using and like it? Dianne Martinelli Concord, California Zone 9 From jshields@indy.net Thu Sep 17 15:51:40 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090917153824.02643aa0@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Seed, Bulb, Plant Inventory Software Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:49:19 -0400 Dianne, I have a custom system in Microsoft Access. Whatever you use, you will need a relational database (even if it is not called that). At the very least, you need to move from Excel spreadsheet(s) to a true database program. I can send you a "template" database, but you will need a copy of MS Access to use it. I've never been happy with systems designed by other people! I recommend using MS Access and learning how to tweak things to suit yourself. Jim Shields in Westfield, Indiana USA At 11:36 AM 9/17/2009 -0700, you wrote: >I have been researching software to keep track of my seeds, bulbs and >plants not only that I have them, but where they are located in my >gardens. I have looked at Pleasant Lake Software and am trialing it for >30 days. The other software package I looked at was Plantstep, however >there focus is mainly on Daylilies. I am currently keeping track via >Excel spreadsheets. > >Does anyone have a software program they are using and like it? > >Dianne Martinelli >Concord, California >Zone 9 >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From piabinha@yahoo.com Thu Sep 17 17:12:27 2009 Message-Id: <962981.71747.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: piaba Subject: Brunsvigia josephinae Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:12:26 -0700 (PDT) dear dr. licht, your post brought back memories of visting the berkeley gardens and seeing this plant for the first time. back then the bulbs were not that big, as i recall. also, remember seeing the beautiful large african Dioscorea tubers such as elephantipes and another one (maybe rupicola). btw, please remember to not send back the whole digest to the list when replying. thank you. ken, that is just gigantic. thanks for posting that photo. ========= tsuh yang > For those of you in the SF Bay Area that haven't yet seen a > Brunsvigia > josephine in bloom, that a very large one is fully open in > the Botanical > Garden now. These bulbs are larger than footballs. These > plants are the > source of seedlings we offer. Rather than offsets, they > appear to split > in half. > Paul From totototo@telus.net Thu Sep 17 17:33:24 2009 Message-Id: <4AB248AD.28450.B0B5A45@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Youtube Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:33:17 -0700 On 17 Sep 2009, at 13:28, Marie-Paule wrote: > That is beautiful, and so relaxing to look at. Here's one that may amuse and surprise you. No geophytes in it. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From rvanderhoff@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 17 22:44:10 2009 Message-Id: <399967.6847.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ron Vanderhoff Subject: Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:44:01 -0700 (PDT) I was following the post and your reply about Michael Vasser's Oxalis notes on the PBS page. I would certainly be interested in a copy of whatever you have of his field/collection notes. Also, your Oxalis are on the way. Let me know if they get there safely. Ron Vanderhoff ________________________________ From: Christiaan van Schalkwyk To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:23:29 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis Hi Celeste - and other interrested parties ! There is a complete list of his Oxalis collections available - and I were fortunate to receive a printed copy of this list from a fellow pbs-er. I scanned the list and converted it to a Word document (19 pages). Unfortunately there are many spelling mistakes, and I haven't gotten round to fix all these, and on the orriginal list those species that either did not survive ar were destroyed are marked, which I have not yet done on the Word document. This list, however, is available to those who want it (Please request it PRIVATELY). (Should I upload it to the wiki?) I see that quite a few of those offered on the BX are labelled as O. luteola. Although I do not have any of those offered, so I cannot speak for them from observation, I do grow some other MV plants that he labelled as O luteola, which are actually O. purpurea. This could be true of MV4960B, and if you look at his description of  MV5752, it is definitely not O. luteola. The difference are as follows: O. purpurea OFTEN has shorter peduncles than O luteola, the flowers are thus carried inside or just above the leaves, while O luteola has much longer peduncles, thus the flowers are extended above the leaves. BUT O. purpurea's bracts on the peduncle are ALWAYS alternate, and at or below the middle of the peduncle, while that of O luteola are at a articulation above the middle of the peduncle. There are other differences, like the shape of the buds and the way the leaves dry that are useful, but these could be quite tricky. The Oxalis with Michael Vasser Collection numbers offered on the latest BX were the following: 3. Oxalis MV5567, yellow, dark center O. luteola. 1.2km up road to Paleisheuwel, 60km south of Clanwilliam, in coarse red sand. 1 1/4 inch light yellow flowers with a more golden yellow center; borne on 2 inch peduncles. Linear alternate bracts 1/2 inch up from base. 1 1/4 inch dark green leaves with red hairs at edges, red underside, stems green, center lobe largest, on 2 inch stems. Bracts alternate, linear, ± halfway down stems.. Compact plants, Bulbs dark brown, 1 1/4 inch tall by 3/4 inch wide, tapered at top and bottom; sand sticking to bulbs. + + 4. Oxalis MV6341 O. obtusa. Niuwoudtville area, Bulbs were among bulbs of Lachenalia elegans var. suoveolens. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers two inches above the leaves. Bracts one inch below the flowers, No scent. 3/4 inch leaves in tight, compact rosettes. + + 5. Oxalis MV5630A O. sp. Vanrhynshoek, top of mountain in a level area among big rocks in a dark red, heavy soil. Small, non-winged, light brown bulbs, 3/4 inch light lavender-pink flowers, No bracts. Light sweet scent. Tiny, tufted plants. Plant early. 6. Oxalis MV5532, white/yellow O. ambigua. 123.6km south towards Loeriesfontein below the turnoff from Pofadder on a west facing rock and light brown-red sand, Small plants, forms many bulblets at top of stems, 1 1/2 inch ivory flowers with light yellow centers and a light yellow reverse. Bracts 1/2 inch up from stem base. No scent. 1 inch leaves. + 7. Oxalis MV 4960B O. luteola? 20km southeast of Sutherland, on north facing gravel hill. Bulbs not winged, longer and narrower than 4960. 1 1/2 inch yellow flowers. Central leaf lobe is larger, green underside to leaf. Many tiny bulbs form near and above old bulbs. Bulbs 1 1/8 inch tall by 1/2 inch wide; dark reddish-brown, stiff thin tunics; pointed tip and bottom, bottom not as sharp. 8. Oxalis MV5667 O. luteola, 13,4km south of Nieuwoudtville, full sun, light brown soil. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers. 1 inch diameter leaves, very hairy on surface, green underside, Bracts on flower stems. + + 9. Oxalis MV 5752, yellow O. luteola. 20km into the Pakhuis Pass, 3/4-1 inch medium light golden yellow flowers with a wide shallow tube; 3/4 inch peduncle, Light green hairy sepals, Alternate linear bracts near base of petiole, Leaves dark glaucous, 3/4 inch diameter, red underside, red hairs at edges; light red 3/4 inch stems. Dense, dark leaves, to 3/4 inch, red underside. Leaf rosettes 3 inches in diameter, 1 1/2 inches tall, very compact. + + NOTE: this is probably not O luteola! 10. Oxalis MV5117 O. commutata? Vanrhynshoek, half way up canyon, south slope. Very small rosettes and leaves, compact and dense. 1/2 inch lavender flowers well above the leaves. Petal reverse is half yellow, 1/2-3/4 inch leaves, Must have full sun, Flowers fragrant. + Enjoy Christiaan ----- Original Message ----- > Hello Everyone, > > The new PBS BX has quite a few of the late Michael Vassar's oxalis.  I > found descriptions of some on the WIKI but would be interested in knowing > if Michael had passed on notes on his collection and if so, where could I > find them?  > From rvanderhoff@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 17 22:53:22 2009 Message-Id: <940308.4081.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ron Vanderhoff Subject: Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Oops, I meant to send this to Christiaan privately. My apologies. ________________________________ From: Ron Vanderhoff To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:44:01 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis I was following the post and your reply about Michael Vasser's Oxalis notes on the PBS page. I would certainly be interested in a copy of whatever you have of his field/collection notes. Also, your Oxalis are on the way. Let me know if they get there safely. Ron Vanderhoff ________________________________ From: Christiaan van Schalkwyk To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:23:29 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis Hi Celeste - and other interrested parties ! There is a complete list of his Oxalis collections available - and I were fortunate to receive a printed copy of this list from a fellow pbs-er. I scanned the list and converted it to a Word document (19 pages). Unfortunately there are many spelling mistakes, and I haven't gotten round to fix all these, and on the orriginal list those species that either did not survive ar were destroyed are marked, which I have not yet done on the Word document. This list, however, is available to those who want it (Please request it PRIVATELY). (Should I upload it to the wiki?) I see that quite a few of those offered on the BX are labelled as O. luteola. Although I do not have any of those offered, so I cannot speak for them from observation, I do grow some other MV plants that he labelled as O luteola, which are actually O. purpurea. This could be true of MV4960B, and if you look at his description of  MV5752, it is definitely not O. luteola. The difference are as follows: O. purpurea OFTEN has shorter peduncles than O luteola, the flowers are thus carried inside or just above the leaves, while O luteola has much longer peduncles, thus the flowers are extended above the leaves. BUT O. purpurea's bracts on the peduncle are ALWAYS alternate, and at or below the middle of the peduncle, while that of O luteola are at a articulation above the middle of the peduncle. There are other differences, like the shape of the buds and the way the leaves dry that are useful, but these could be quite tricky. The Oxalis with Michael Vasser Collection numbers offered on the latest BX were the following: 3. Oxalis MV5567, yellow, dark center O. luteola. 1.2km up road to Paleisheuwel, 60km south of Clanwilliam, in coarse red sand. 1 1/4 inch light yellow flowers with a more golden yellow center; borne on 2 inch peduncles. Linear alternate bracts 1/2 inch up from base. 1 1/4 inch dark green leaves with red hairs at edges, red underside, stems green, center lobe largest, on 2 inch stems. Bracts alternate, linear, ± halfway down stems.. Compact plants, Bulbs dark brown, 1 1/4 inch tall by 3/4 inch wide, tapered at top and bottom; sand sticking to bulbs. + + 4. Oxalis MV6341 O. obtusa. Niuwoudtville area, Bulbs were among bulbs of Lachenalia elegans var. suoveolens. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers two inches above the leaves. Bracts one inch below the flowers, No scent. 3/4 inch leaves in tight, compact rosettes. + + 5. Oxalis MV5630A O. sp. Vanrhynshoek, top of mountain in a level area among big rocks in a dark red, heavy soil. Small, non-winged, light brown bulbs, 3/4 inch light lavender-pink flowers, No bracts. Light sweet scent. Tiny, tufted plants. Plant early. 6. Oxalis MV5532, white/yellow O. ambigua. 123.6km south towards Loeriesfontein below the turnoff from Pofadder on a west facing rock and light brown-red sand, Small plants, forms many bulblets at top of stems, 1 1/2 inch ivory flowers with light yellow centers and a light yellow reverse. Bracts 1/2 inch up from stem base. No scent. 1 inch leaves. + 7. Oxalis MV 4960B O. luteola? 20km southeast of Sutherland, on north facing gravel hill. Bulbs not winged, longer and narrower than 4960. 1 1/2 inch yellow flowers. Central leaf lobe is larger, green underside to leaf. Many tiny bulbs form near and above old bulbs. Bulbs 1 1/8 inch tall by 1/2 inch wide; dark reddish-brown, stiff thin tunics; pointed tip and bottom, bottom not as sharp. 8. Oxalis MV5667 O. luteola, 13,4km south of Nieuwoudtville, full sun, light brown soil. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers. 1 inch diameter leaves, very hairy on surface, green underside, Bracts on flower stems. + + 9. Oxalis MV 5752, yellow O. luteola. 20km into the Pakhuis Pass, 3/4-1 inch medium light golden yellow flowers with a wide shallow tube; 3/4 inch peduncle, Light green hairy sepals, Alternate linear bracts near base of petiole, Leaves dark glaucous, 3/4 inch diameter, red underside, red hairs at edges; light red 3/4 inch stems. Dense, dark leaves, to 3/4 inch, red underside. Leaf rosettes 3 inches in diameter, 1 1/2 inches tall, very compact. + + NOTE: this is probably not O luteola! 10. Oxalis MV5117 O. commutata? Vanrhynshoek, half way up canyon, south slope. Very small rosettes and leaves, compact and dense. 1/2 inch lavender flowers well above the leaves. Petal reverse is half yellow, 1/2-3/4 inch leaves, Must have full sun, Flowers fragrant. + Enjoy Christiaan ----- Original Message ----- > Hello Everyone, > > The new PBS BX has quite a few of the late Michael Vassar's oxalis.  I > found descriptions of some on the WIKI but would be interested in knowing > if Michael had passed on notes on his collection and if so, where could I > find them?  > From leo@possi.org Fri Sep 18 14:49:53 2009 Message-Id: <29d55a7aa2a82482aa8bea53f29bb30c.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Seed, Bulb, Plant Inventory Software Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:49:45 -0700 (PDT) It really is very easy to do a database for yourself with any database program. They all have step-by-step instructions to walk you through the process. MS Access is one database but it does cost a lot of money if you don't have it. Open Office is an open-source, free-to-download office suite that reads and writes Microsoft formats as well as using its own format. It has a database, word processor, slide presentation program, and more. It is NOT fly-by-night, virus-laden software. It is a real thing written and supported by a huge online community of programmers and users. Try it. I repeat, it's free. http://www.openoffice.org Decide what information you want in your database. Mine has these fields: Access number | Genus | Species | Family | Where I got it 1 | Where I got it 2 | Where I got it 3 | Stage acquired (seed, bulb, etc.) | Date acquired | Where now | Cost | Notes Give every plant a unique ID number. You can write this on the underground part of your label so even if the top breaks off you still have the ID number. Put your gardening notes in the free-form notes field as you work with the plant. Date each new note. Leo Martin From mikemace@att.net Fri Sep 18 16:13:03 2009 Message-Id: <001201ca389c$68a0c220$39e24660$@net> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Seed, Bulb, Plant Inventory Software Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:12:48 -0700 Dianne wrote: >> Does anyone have a software program they are using and like it? I was keeping my records in Excel for a while, but what I really wanted was something I could bring with me to plant sales (so I would stop buying the same plant twice), and which I could carry around with me in the garden to take notes. So I got a database on a PDA. The latest version I'm using runs on the Apple iPod Touch, and is called HanDBase. It's not perfect, since you need to set up the database structure yourself. But if you have an existing spreadsheet you can import that and it'll do the basic structure for you. Hope that helps. Mike San Jose, CA From klazina@orcon.net.nz Fri Sep 18 17:24:32 2009 Message-Id: <4AB3FA8E.9080600@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: Hippeastrums Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:24:30 +1200 There are various Hippeastrums growing in my garden, sending up scapes. I used to grow them along the concrete path by the front gate where they were thriving, but in the narrow strip along the path, they tended to hang over the path and make it difficult to get past. So planted them elsewhere with good drainage but after 2 years realised I was going to lose the lot if I didn't do something about it. As they had been happy by the concrete path, had to relocate to another concrete path, by the clothesline. So now they are thriving again. It will be interesting to see which ones have survived, 9 scapes so far, and I hope that not just one or two will be repeated over and over. What I am wondering, why are they happy by a concrete path? I also have a few further up the slightly sloping area where they are now, but have put brick strips by them hoping that may do the same as the concrete path, and it seems to be working. But why? Ina Crossley Auckland, New Zealand zone 9-10 From klazina@orcon.net.nz Fri Sep 18 17:32:22 2009 Message-Id: <4AB3FC62.5080109@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: OpenOffice Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:32:18 +1200 re OpenOffice I never realised there was a database in the OpenOffice. Thanks Leo! Now to find my way around it. It has everything which could possibly be wanted. Wonderful. Ina Crossley Auckland, New Zealand. From jshields@indy.net Fri Sep 18 17:41:37 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090918173825.0649e6b0@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: OpenOffice Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:42:45 -0400 I have found that the database in OpenOffice will not read in my MS Access data files. You might have to convert Access data tables to Excel spreadsheets (not hard) and then import the spreadsheet files into OpenOffice. How you would rebuild the relational aspects once in OpenOffice I don't know. I'd be interested in hearing how that works, or if anyone as gotten the OpenOffice database to read Access files directly. Jim Shields in Westfield, Indiana USA At 09:32 AM 9/19/2009 +1200, you wrote: >re OpenOffice I never realised there was a database in the OpenOffice. >Thanks Leo! Now to find my way around it. It has everything which >could possibly be wanted. Wonderful. > >Ina Crossley Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From ron_redding@hotmail.com Fri Sep 18 19:37:39 2009 Message-Id: From: Ronald Redding Subject: Hippeastrums Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:37:37 +1000 Ina I am not sure what temperatures you get down to in the winter however being in NZ you are probably a little colder than sub-tropical South America. Although many of the hippeastrum hybrids do well in the Southern parts of Australia they do like a northerly aspect. ( I do not come from Southern Australia however have read many reports on tactics to get less cold hardy plants to grow well down there). In short they probably like the fact that the concrete paths heat up through the day and then gradually cool down through the night because of their physical mass and concretes ability to absorb the heat through the day. You might like to try them near brick walls etc that have a tendancy to retain a little extra energy releasing it gradually through the night. Kind Regards and Best Wishes Ron Redding Hervey Bay Australia _________________________________________________________________ Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great Australian Pay Check http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ From klazina@orcon.net.nz Fri Sep 18 20:09:43 2009 Message-Id: <4AB4213E.2060206@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: Hippeastrums Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:09:34 +1200 New Zealand has a very great variety of climates actually, where in the South Island they are still having morning frosts, lots of snow in winter, while Northland, which is at the top of New Zealand's North Island, is mostly tropical. Auckland is just at the bottom of Northland. I grow Citrus, Tamarillos, etc. But it depends on where in Auckland one lives, as it is a large area. Ina I am not sure what temperatures you get down to in the winter however being in NZ you are probably a little colder than sub-tropical South America. Although many of the hippeastrum hybrids do well in the Southern parts of Australia they do like a northerly aspect. ( I do not come from Southern Australia however have read many reports on tactics to get less cold hardy plants to grow well down there). In short they probably like the fact that the concrete paths heat up through the day and then gradually cool down through the night because of their physical mass and concretes ability to absorb the heat through the day. You might like to try them near brick walls etc that have a tendancy to retain a little extra energy releasing it gradually through the night. Kind Regards and Best Wishes Ron Redding Hervey Bay Australia _________________________________________________________________ Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great Australian Pay Check http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4439 (20090918) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ksayce@willapabay.org Sat Sep 19 01:14:57 2009 Message-Id: <837FFF69-3763-48AB-96EF-ADDF8032BDD2@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Inventory software Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:14:30 -0700 I use Filemaker Pro, a relational database that comes with a number of standard inventory solutions. I have enjoyed writing my own solution for my garden inventory, and for a regional plant species inventory. FMP can import from a range of databases, and allows me to modify it as needed. I also began with excel, and ran up against its limits quickly. Kathleen Willapa Bay, Washington From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Sat Sep 19 05:56:18 2009 Message-Id: <3b9284cd0909190256sc75d5cdg893a7d6e7a12de6c@mail.gmail.com> From: "J. Agoston" Subject: OpenOffice Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:56:04 +0200 Relational aspects rebuild: Go into queries, select the query and then right click, choos the 2nd option. Than on the upper menu line choose the third (View?) main menu and then choos the 2nd menu (SQL view?), cut and paste, that is all. If you can program in SQL you can add more to this part becouse the menus and wizzards contain only the most used programming parts. Of course you have to export the data tables to XLS or other data formats than you have to rebuilt the relations with the "INNER JOINT" etc... Sorry for being complicated but I have the Office only in my own laguage, not in english. Bye, Jan 2009/9/18 J.E. Shields : > I have found that the database in OpenOffice will not read in my MS Access > data files.  You might have to convert Access data tables to Excel > spreadsheets (not hard) and then import the spreadsheet files into > OpenOffice. > > How you would rebuild the relational aspects once in OpenOffice I don't > know.  I'd be interested in hearing how that works, or if anyone as gotten > the OpenOffice database to read Access files directly. > > Jim Shields > in Westfield, Indiana > USA > > > At 09:32 AM 9/19/2009 +1200, you wrote: >>re OpenOffice I never realised there was a database in the OpenOffice. >>Thanks Leo!  Now to find my way around it.  It has everything which >>could possibly be wanted.  Wonderful. >> >>Ina Crossley > > Jim Shields             USDA Zone 5             Shields Gardens, Ltd. > P.O. Box 92              WWW:    http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ > Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA > Tel. ++1-317-867-3344     or      toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From contact@bulbargence.com Sat Sep 19 06:57:54 2009 Message-Id: From: "contact" Subject: Inventory software Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:57:34 +0200 Hello, I also use Filemaker pro to keep track of all possible kind of information concerning on my bulbs . It is extremely 'userfriendly" At the same time I have 5 other data bases for all sort of other items concerning my daily life (now becoming indispensable). Highly recommended! Kind greetings Lauw de Jager South of France www.bulbargence.com -----Original Message----- I use Filemaker Pro, a relational database that comes with a number of standard inventory solutions. I have enjoyed writing my own solution for my garden inventory, and for a regional plant species inventory. FMP can import from a range of databases, and allows me to modify it as needed. From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 19 16:13:56 2009 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Wild Gladiolus (Gladiolus illyricus) Symposium Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:12:37 +0100 Hi, I've been asked to mention a proposed symposium about Wild Gladiolus (Gladiolus illyricus) "one of the most charismatic species of the New Forest" (in England) that is "different in chromosome number from almost all analysed Continental material". It is likely to take place in February or March 2010 near Southampton. Some likely speakers and topics are: Genetics, reproductive behaviour and relationships in the European Gladiolus flora - Anthony Hamilton The autecology of the New Forest population - Jonathan Stokes The history of discovery of Gladiolus illyricus in Britain - Geoff Toone The known distribution and the current state of known sites - Martin Rand For more information email: Martin Rand (vc11recorder@hantsplants.org.uk) Anthony Hamilton (anthony.hamilton@mac.com) I didn't know gladioli came from England... There's a picture at: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MiscellaneousGladiolus#illyricus -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From kjblack@pacbell.net Sat Sep 19 18:19:03 2009 Message-Id: <162337.39412.qm@web80403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ken Subject: what's blooming now at UC Irvine Botanic Garden Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:19:02 -0700 (PDT) made a quick trip up to UC Irvine (Orange County) this morning to check for any South African bulbs blooming in their collection.  The spring bloom is fantastic, but these fall bloomers add some later-season interest.  Brunsvigia litoralis, Drimia (Urginea) maritima and a nice white xAmarygia:     http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3935513806/   http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3935512982/   http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3935513288/   the bud on a Brunsvigia josephinae scape is just breaking ... probably peak next weekend.   Ken San Diego  From perdy@mts.net Sat Sep 19 18:20:29 2009 Message-Id: <7D3035FA1EE54563A72D01F7FEF064EE@DAndersonPC> From: "D Anderson" Subject: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:20:36 -0500 Wow, that is one huge bulb! The flower is gorgeous!! :) Donna in Winnipeg, Manitoba ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:00 PM Subject: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom 5th year of bloom for this 15-year old bulb from seed. It seems fewer florets this year than last. Also, 2 of its sibling bulbs which bloomed for the first time last year seem to be sitting 2009 out. We've had a very dry year and I've provided no additional H2O. A 4th sibling bulb is sending up its first scape this year. Several other siblings have yet to bloom. http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3917385121/ Ken San Diego, zone 10-11 From ds429@comcast.net Sun Sep 20 06:55:51 2009 Message-Id: <000001ca39e0$f3dfabe0$db9f03a0$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 218 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:55:38 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 218" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Dell Sherk (Small bulbs; all in limited supply.) 1. Haemanthus montanus 2. Haemanthus amarylloides ssp polyanthus 3. Haemanthus barkerae 4. Haemanthus namaquensis 5. Haemanthus coccineus ex Bainskloof 6. Ledebouria zebrina 7. Ledebouria sp?, evergreen large, unmarked, glaucescent, leaves, white flowers From Shirley Meneice; 8. Corms of Chasmanthe floribunda, red From Jim Jones: 9. Bulblets of Narcissus fernandesii From Ron Vanderhoff: Oxalis bulbs. All are cool-season growers and all but one are of South African origin (O. brasiliensis) 10. Oxalis anomala, Smaller white flowers on a soft, somewhat branching plant. Fall blooming. 11. Oxalis bowiei 'Amarantha' Very much like the species. Supposedly larger and even more vigorous. Fall blooming. 12. Oxalis bowiei An easy one, with very large, lush foliage and a few large pink flowers. Plant rather deep in pot. Fall blooming. 13. Oxalis brasiliensis A South American mat-forming species that is very easy with small glossy foliage and bright pink flowers. Plant just below soil surface. Spring blooming. 14. Oxalis compressa 'Double' A double-flowered version. Fall through spring blooming. 15. Oxalis compressa Very similar to O. pes-caprae, but more compact and with better foliage. Sulfur-yellow flowers. Fall thru spring blooming. 16. Oxalis fabaefolia, ex Uli. A particularly heavy flowering selection. Fall blooming. 17. Oxalis fabaefolia Very large pure yellow flowers on an easy to grow plant. Leaves have characteristic wings on the petiole. Fall-blooming. 18. Oxalis flava and fabaefolia mix Probably 80-90% flava, but some fabaefolia got mixed in and are impossible to separate. They are very similar and grow nicely together. 19. Oxalis flava var pectinaria A small O. flava selection with thin linear leaflets and typical yellow flowers. Fall blooming. 20. Oxalis glabra A smallish but prolific species with a short, upright, somewhat wiry habit and large quantities of bright pink flowers. Fall to spring blooming. 21. Oxalis hirta 'Gothenburg' a somewhat larger flower, more aggressive version of the popular O. Hirta. Rosy-pink. Fall to late winter blooming. 22. Oxalis imbricata var. violacea MV4621B A small airy species with small leaves and light pink flowers with a yellow throat. Fall blooming. 23. Oxalis luteola 'Glauca' MV5567 Typical ground-hugging grey leaves with deep maroon-red undersides contrast well with the pale yellow flowers. Fall to late winter blooming. 24. Oxalis luteola MV6038 Similar to MV 5885, with somewhat less gray foliage. Heavy flowering. Fall to late winter blooming. 25. Oxalis massonorum Almost cushion-like with fine grey-green very low foliage topped by a heavy display of small white flowers with yellow throats. Fall blooming. Thank you, Shirley, Jim, and Ron !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From to.sa@comhem.se Sun Sep 20 13:53:01 2009 Message-Id: <0D07ADB8-A724-4492-A3D9-F34599118BAB@comhem.se> From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: New bulbous forum Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:52:36 +0200 Hi, http://www.bulbousspecies.eu for membership it's only to click at "Bli medlem" above to the right under the dog logo! You are all welcome if you are interested! And then it's only to choose a username and a password and if you feel for a short introduction about yourselves. Best Tomas Sandberg From Ger.Stickroth@t-online.de Sun Sep 20 14:09:42 2009 Message-Id: <1MpQqP-2DBTkm0@fwd08.aul.t-online.de> From: Subject: New bulbous forum Date: 20 Sep 2009 18:09 GMT Hello Tomas, the problem is the language. Gerhard "Tomas Sandberg" schrieb: > Hi, > > http://www.bulbousspecies.eu for membership it's only to click at > "Bli medlem" above to the right under the dog logo! > You are all welcome if you are interested! > > And then it's only to choose a username and a password and if you feel > for a short introduction about yourselves. > > Best > Tomas Sandberg > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From J.Joschko@gmx.de Mon Sep 21 04:08:33 2009 Message-Id: From: "J. Joschko" Subject: Hippeastrum aulicum seeds are ripe Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:08:23 +0200 Hi all , now have opend the fruits of my Hippastrum aulicum - I have grown the motherplants from seeds ex Brasil ( sown in year 2003 ) Please send me a PM if anybody is interestet for trade or swap with me ! If anybody is interestet to see pics please contact me privatly Best regards Hans From ksayce@willapabay.org Mon Sep 21 10:27:24 2009 Message-Id: <03BC7089-C81B-4CCD-9AD8-0E2A50B9BF34@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Drimia Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:26:54 -0700 Drimia maritimia definitely could tempt me to live in Southern California. Kathleen On Willapa Bay, where it's sunny and over 70F From totototo@telus.net Mon Sep 21 13:30:36 2009 Message-Id: <4AB755C3.13381.4305316@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: New bulbous forum Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:30:27 -0700 On 20 Sep 2009, at 18:09, Ger.Stickroth@t-online.de wrote: > the problem is the language. The problem isn't just the language: it's another attempt to balkanize discussion of geophytic horticulture. Tomas would do better to call his forum "a Swedish language forum for discussion of geophytes." Take cyclamen as an example: there's cyclamen-L, this mailing list, and the cyclamen threads on the SRGC web forums. Even just three is too many for me to bother with trying to keep on top of them all. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From totototo@telus.net Mon Sep 21 13:30:36 2009 Message-Id: <4AB755C3.21293.430530A@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Acis autumnalis JCA 630.201 (1989-1990): collection details, please Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:30:27 -0700 If anyone has old seedlists from Jim & Jenny Archibald, please look this up and let me know the details. I sowed it in 1990 so presumably it would be a collection in 1989 or 1990. It would have been listed as Leucojum autumnale. Stupidly, I trashed my copies of the Archibald lists in a fit of cleaning up adn I've been regretting it ever since! Help! -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From to.sa@comhem.se Mon Sep 21 17:12:56 2009 Message-Id: From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: www.bulbousspecies.eu forum Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:12:27 +0200 Hi again, http://www.bulbousspecies.eu for membership it's only to click at register above to the right under the dog logo! The bulbous forum is now in English and the dog forum in Swedish. You are all very welcome if you feel for it. And if it pops up a meny saying that it is a "Debug Mode" and that the SQL database is lost, don't bother about this it should work anyway, some problems with the Swedish/English language and I hope that my Webhotel will fix this tommorow! Best Tomas Sandberg From ds429@comcast.net Mon Sep 21 18:57:52 2009 Message-Id: <000101ca3b0e$fa4fb8b0$eeef2a10$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 218 Closed Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:58:04 -0400 All is claimed. Packages should go out in the week. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From ptyerman@ozemail.com.au Mon Sep 21 22:20:34 2009 Message-Id: <8463lk$gq1j83@outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out2.iinet.net.au> From: "Paul T." Subject: www.bulbousspecies.eu forum Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:20:13 +1000 > >http://www.bulbousspecies.eu for membership it's only to click at >register above to the right under the dog logo! >The bulbous forum is now in English and the dog forum in Swedish. >You are all very welcome if you feel for it. Tomas et al, Are you unhappy with this forum and therefore feel that you need to set up an alternative forum? If the forum is in English, then what is wrong with having the discussions here on this forum? We are after all a bulb forum, and therefore perfectly suited to what you are apparently wanting to discuss? Sorry to ask, but I am interested as to why you feel the need to set up an alternative forum and then advertise it here on this forum, which is for the same purpose? I find it somewhat confusing. If it was for a specific genera or something different to the PBS forum then I could understand it. Thanks for any feedback. Cheers. Paul T. Canberra, Australia - USDA Zone Equivalent approx. 8/9 Growing an eclectic collection of plants from all over the world including Aroids, Crocus, Cyclamen, Erythroniums, Fritillarias, Galanthus, Irises, Trilliums (to name but a few) and just about anything else that doesn't move!! From to.sa@comhem.se Tue Sep 22 13:59:53 2009 Message-Id: <4F4E2336-2608-411C-8598-4DE6175C0184@comhem.se> From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: www.bulbousspecies.eu language problems Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:59:21 +0200 Hi, I don't understand what you mean with the language problems, my bulbous forum is now in English? And the dog forum is in Swedish and the first part of the forum is the http://www.bulbousspecies.eu all in English. This probably the only combined dog and bulbous forum in the world, a new idea I got and a very easy way to try to start up something new, so please explain for me what language problems you have with my bulbous forum more specific, and when/if you became a member you have to choose your own languageand timezone in your profile the same place where you choose your username and password. But it is possible for me to change everything to a pure bulbous forum in English but that will cost me money and for the moment I'm not ready to do this, maybe if I got more members and more activity at the forum I might do that? Best regards Tomas Sandberg From lizwat@earthlink.net Tue Sep 22 20:17:19 2009 Message-Id: <4AB96916.7000909@earthlink.net> From: Elizabeth Waterman Subject: Oca Oxalis Tuberosa Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:17:26 -0700 Hi, Someone asked me to report when oca became available in bulk locally. (Berkeley CA) It is now at Berkeley Bowl (The Shattuck Ave Store) it is selling at about $6 a pound. There are red and pale yellow tubers. The tubers range from 2 to close to 4 inches long, and roughly 1/2+ inch thick. If there's a substantial interest, I could buy some and ship them off to Dell; one or two requests, I could deal with privately if that is ok. Liz W From jonathan.knisely@yale.edu Wed Sep 23 15:14:33 2009 Message-Id: From: "Knisely, Jonathan" Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 80, Issue 27 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:14:17 -0400 It seems to me as though Tomas' site would be particularly appropriate for postings related to Erythronium dens-canis (dog's tooth violet). Are there other bulbs with a common or scientific name that involve dogs? Jonathan Knisely New Haven, CT USDA 6a On 9/23/09 1:21 PM, "Pbs-Request@Lists. Org" wrote: Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. www.bulbousspecies.eu language problems (Tomas Sandberg) 2. Re: Oca Oxalis Tuberosa (Elizabeth Waterman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:59:21 +0200 From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: [pbs] www.bulbousspecies.eu language problems To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <4F4E2336-2608-411C-8598-4DE6175C0184@comhem.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi, I don't understand what you mean with the language problems, my bulbous forum is now in English? And the dog forum is in Swedish and the first part of the forum is the http://www.bulbousspecies.eu all in English. This probably the only combined dog and bulbous forum in the world, a new idea I got and a very easy way to try to start up something new, so please explain for me what language problems you have with my bulbous forum more specific, and when/if you became a member you have to choose your own languageand timezone in your profile the same place where you choose your username and password. But it is possible for me to change everything to a pure bulbous forum in English but that will cost me money and for the moment I'm not ready to do this, maybe if I got more members and more activity at the forum I might do that? Best regards Tomas Sandberg ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:17:26 -0700 From: Elizabeth Waterman Subject: Re: [pbs] Oca Oxalis Tuberosa To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <4AB96916.7000909@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Someone asked me to report when oca became available in bulk locally. (Berkeley CA) It is now at Berkeley Bowl (The Shattuck Ave Store) it is selling at about $6 a pound. There are red and pale yellow tubers. The tubers range from 2 to close to 4 inches long, and roughly 1/2+ inch thick. If there's a substantial interest, I could buy some and ship them off to Dell; one or two requests, I could deal with privately if that is ok. Liz W ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 80, Issue 27 *********************************** From totototo@telus.net Wed Sep 23 15:51:35 2009 Message-Id: <4ABA19CE.9669.3C67@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: www.bulbousspecies.eu language problems Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:51:26 -0700 On 22 Sep 2009, at 19:59, Tomas Sandberg wrote: > I don't understand what you mean with the language problems, my > bulbous forum is now in English? Tomas, the issue isn't the langugage of the forum. It's that many other discussion forums about bulbs already exist. The world doesn't need another bulb forum in English. That's why I suggested you make your new forum a Swedish language one: I'm sure there are bulb lovers in Sweden who do not know English and they would welcome a forum in Swedish. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From contact@bulbargence.com Thu Sep 24 07:19:08 2009 Message-Id: From: "contact" Subject: www.bulbousspecies.eu language problems Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:19:04 +0200 Tomas, I agree with Paul that it would be unwise to create other general bulb forums, as the PBS forum does satisfy us perfectly. Tomas, if you have time, energy en knowledge to give why not offer this to the PBS forum. Kind greetings Lauw de Jager www.bulbargence.com France -----Original Message----- From: Tomas Sandberg I don't understand what you mean with the language problems, my bulbous forum is now in English? Paul T. I am interested as to why you feel the need to set up an alternative forum and then advertise it here on this forum, which is for the same purpose? From barkingdogwoods@gmail.com Thu Sep 24 10:12:20 2009 Message-Id: <5FD18EDA389C47B7AE707C8E3B5A59C8@S0027128273> From: "Lin in Texas" Subject: Question on when to share Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:12:15 -0500 Hi all - I have some Rhodophiala bifida in pots that I dug last year (with owner's permission) from a vacant lot. I would like to share some with the BX, but haven't been able to figure out the best time. Right now they're blooming, soon to be followed by leaves. Should I wait till spring? After most of the leaves die? TIA. Lin in Texas From jshields@indy.net Thu Sep 24 11:01:45 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090924110010.01d00640@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Question on when to share Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:02:44 -0400 My rule is -- in general -- divide or repot just before new growth occurs. I think you are a little too late for this year. I would suggest well after the leaves die and shortly (a couple of weeks) before you expect bloom On the other hand, I don't grow many Rhodophiala, so they could require different timing. Jim Shields in Westfield, Indiana USA At 09:12 AM 9/24/2009 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all - > >I have some Rhodophiala bifida in pots that I dug last year (with owner's >permission) from a vacant lot. I would like to share some with the BX, but >haven't been able to figure out the best time. > >Right now they're blooming, soon to be followed by leaves. Should I wait >till spring? After most of the leaves die? > >TIA. > >Lin in Texas ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu Sep 24 11:18:53 2009 Message-Id: <000001ca3d2a$4ff1d510$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:18:46 -0400 Rhodophiala bifida has been mentioned in two recent posts. It’s blooming now here in Maryland. It struck me as unexpected that it would be blooming for Lin in Texas now at the same time it is blooming here in Maryland. Where else is it blooming now? Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From hornig@earthlink.net Thu Sep 24 11:22:04 2009 Message-Id: <33140379.1253805715698.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Ellen Hornig Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:21:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) It's in full bloom here in Oswego, NY (in pots). Ellen -----Original Message----- > >Where else is it blooming now? > > > >Jim McKenney _____________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki Seneca Hill Perennials 3712 Co. Rt. 57 Oswego NY 13126 Phone: 315-342-5915 Fax: 315-342-5573 www.senecahillperennials.com From adam14113@ameritech.net Thu Sep 24 11:33:53 2009 Message-Id: <2422D54D513F4165A5A58BC7F857F893@FAMILY> From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:32:55 -0500 Ellen? Have you had any success growing it outdoors in the ground? I haven't been able to, but I've been abel to get Sprekelia to behave for me within 24" of the house foundation here in Z 5a, along with a few Zantedeschia and Eucomis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Hornig" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida > > It's in full bloom here in Oswego, NY (in pots). > > Ellen > > -----Original Message----- > >> >>Where else is it blooming now? >> >> >> >>Jim McKenney > > _____________________________________________ >>pbs mailing list >>pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > Seneca Hill Perennials > 3712 Co. Rt. 57 > Oswego NY 13126 > Phone: 315-342-5915 > Fax: 315-342-5573 > www.senecahillperennials.com > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From Chad.Schroter@sandisk.com Thu Sep 24 11:34:53 2009 Message-Id: <969A00CE5A93A24A850B6330DA6C57B1FC1260@MILEXMIPV6.sdcorp.global.sandisk.com> From: Chad Schroter Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:35:22 -0700 Mine is just finished here in coastal California (los Gatos), so I guess I'm 1 week ahead. Chad Schroter -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ellen Hornig Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:22 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida It's in full bloom here in Oswego, NY (in pots). Ellen -----Original Message----- > >Where else is it blooming now? > > > >Jim McKenney From pameladaz@msn.com Thu Sep 24 11:39:18 2009 Message-Id: From: "Pamela Slate" Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:39:12 -0700 Jim, Lin, et.al., Rhodophiala bifida (pink and red) are in bud here - in pots and in tall raised beds. Pam At 2400 feet, with daytime temps hovering near 100 F and nights in the upper 60's to low 70's. Pamela Slate P.O. Box 5316 Carefree AZ 85377 From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Thu Sep 24 12:20:38 2009 Message-Id: <4ABB9C51.2000100@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:20:33 -0700 They're blooming for me now here in Southern California. They started a several weeks ago, but since I have accessions from all over, they don't all come up at exactly the same time. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a From hornig@earthlink.net Thu Sep 24 12:24:50 2009 Message-Id: <13273106.1253809485449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Ellen Hornig Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:24:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Adam - I've never tried them outdoors. Ellen -----Original Message----- >From: Adam Fikso >Sent: Sep 24, 2009 11:32 AM >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida > >Ellen? Have you had any success growing it outdoors in the ground? I >haven't been able to, but I've been abel to get Sprekelia to behave for me >within 24" of the house foundation here in Z 5a, along with a few >Zantedeschia and Eucomis. > Seneca Hill Perennials 3712 Co. Rt. 57 Oswego NY 13126 Phone: 315-342-5915 Fax: 315-342-5573 www.senecahillperennials.com From gentian21@comcast.net Thu Sep 24 12:42:54 2009 Message-Id: From: "gentian21" Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:42:38 -0500 My potted Rhodophiala bifida bloomed on September 5th and is long finished. http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/gentian/?action=view¤t=Rhodophialabifidapot.jpg and one clump planted out I had in bloom on the week that school started with the second flush was a week ago (or was it the 3rd?). This clump has a large number of leaves and did not miss a year after planting out. At 4 other locations they have all come up at different times with today perhaps the last one. All locations of Rhodophiala bifida have been hardy for me with the unmulched ones that are deep planted with just a couple leaves. The vigorous one is planted shallow and heavily mulched planted next too My Crinum bulbispermum that had 4 spikes this summer. I assume that deep planted ones take longer to get established. My potted Lycoris radiata is just peeking out of the soil but none in the ground are showing. I have Lycoris planted close to each Rhodophiala bifida. I have one Sternbergia in bloom while other locations are not up at all. All of these I have had for just 3 growing seasons. Autumn crocus are finished. Update: Today Sternbergias and Lycoris radiata planted out are coming up. Frank Cooper zone 5b Central Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Hornig" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida > > It's in full bloom here in Oswego, NY (in pots). > > Ellen > > -----Original Message----- > >> >>Where else is it blooming now? >> >> >> >>Jim McKenney > > _____________________________________________ >>pbs mailing list >>pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > Seneca Hill Perennials > 3712 Co. Rt. 57 > Oswego NY 13126 > Phone: 315-342-5915 > Fax: 315-342-5573 > www.senecahillperennials.com > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From adam14113@ameritech.net Thu Sep 24 13:01:03 2009 Message-Id: From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:00:01 -0500 They don't work for either me or Jim Shields. Very borderline at best. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Hornig" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida > Adam - I've never tried them outdoors. > > Ellen > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Adam Fikso >>Sent: Sep 24, 2009 11:32 AM >>To: Pacific Bulb Society >>Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida >> >>Ellen? Have you had any success growing it outdoors in the ground? I >>haven't been able to, but I've been abel to get Sprekelia to behave for me >>within 24" of the house foundation here in Z 5a, along with a few >>Zantedeschia and Eucomis. >> > > > Seneca Hill Perennials > 3712 Co. Rt. 57 > Oswego NY 13126 > Phone: 315-342-5915 > Fax: 315-342-5573 > www.senecahillperennials.com > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From adam14113@ameritech.net Thu Sep 24 13:04:14 2009 Message-Id: From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:03:12 -0500 Frank? Where in central Illinois are you located? And what kind of soil do you have? . ----- Original Message ----- From: "gentian21" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida > My potted Rhodophiala bifida bloomed on September 5th and is long > finished. > http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/gentian/?action=view¤t=Rhodophialabifidapot.jpg > and one clump planted out I had in bloom on the week that school started > with the second flush was a week ago (or was it the 3rd?). This clump has > a > large number of leaves and did not miss a year after planting out. At 4 > other locations they have all come up at different times with today > perhaps > the last one. All locations of Rhodophiala bifida have been hardy for me > with the unmulched ones that are deep planted with just a couple leaves. > The vigorous one is planted shallow and heavily mulched planted next too > My > Crinum bulbispermum that had 4 spikes this summer. I assume that deep > planted ones take longer to get established. My potted Lycoris radiata is > just peeking out of the soil but none in the ground are showing. I have > Lycoris planted close to each Rhodophiala bifida. I have one Sternbergia > in > bloom while other locations are not up at all. All of these I have had > for > just 3 growing seasons. Autumn crocus are finished. Update: Today > Sternbergias and Lycoris radiata planted out are coming up. > Frank Cooper > zone 5b > Central Illinois > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellen Hornig" > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida > > >> >> It's in full bloom here in Oswego, NY (in pots). >> >> Ellen >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> >>>Where else is it blooming now? >>> >>> >>> >>>Jim McKenney >> >> _____________________________________________ >>>pbs mailing list >>>pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> >> Seneca Hill Perennials >> 3712 Co. Rt. 57 >> Oswego NY 13126 >> Phone: 315-342-5915 >> Fax: 315-342-5573 >> www.senecahillperennials.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From oothal@hotmail.com Thu Sep 24 14:57:04 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:57:03 -0500 Hi all, My R. bifida here in the metropolis of Woodville, started about a week ago. I have mine in a ring shape around a large patch of iris. A big oak tree covers about half of this garden. The R. bifida that gets the most sun started budding first. As the days go by the buds slowly start appearing in succession towards the back of the garden to those that get a lot of shade. It is wonderful driving down the road to see a patch of them growing in the middle of a field or in spots along the road. You know at one time someone lived there. With their house long since moved or destroyed. Early this summer I found a patch of glads growing along a fence line a long way from any house. The road 1746 is a very old road and I wonder if those glads were from the olden days or something much newer. Though I would guess that they are not all that old. They do have beautiful flowers. Justin _________________________________________________________________ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 From studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it Thu Sep 24 15:05:32 2009 Message-Id: <682EB819-8BB5-4AEF-9C51-C532A46554C2@tiscali.it> From: studio pozzi taubert Subject: cyclamen germination Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:05:28 +0200 Hello everyone : I posted two pictures of cyclamen germination stages from the seed to the bulbil with the first leaf unfolding http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamengermination.jpg here the bulbils from three months to two years http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen_bulbils.jpg these are white ( greek ? ) cyclamen, I cannot remember the species Giorgio Pozzi Travedona (Varese) Italy zone 7/8 studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it From adam14113@ameritech.net Thu Sep 24 15:36:27 2009 Message-Id: From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: cyclamen germination Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:36:14 -0500 Great germination pictures, Giorgio. It really helps to know how long the roots should be-or, can become,even very early. ----- Original Message ----- From: "studio pozzi taubert" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:05 PM Subject: [pbs] cyclamen germination > Hello everyone : > > I posted two pictures of cyclamen germination stages > > from the seed to the bulbil with the first leaf unfolding > > http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamengermination.jpg > > > here the bulbils from three months to two years > > http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen_bulbils.jpg > > these are white ( greek ? ) cyclamen, I cannot remember the species > > > > > > Giorgio Pozzi > Travedona (Varese) > Italy zone 7/8 > > studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From leo@possi.org Thu Sep 24 17:39:29 2009 Message-Id: <4c9d4f2d7a3175ae34ec5b015ba0ac75.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Mine aren't up at all yet. The bed didn't get as much water this year as in past years. Maybe they won't bloom this year. And my Amaryllis beladonna didn't flower this year. They don't flower most years here. I make sure they get watered every 1-2 weeks through the summer or they won't even survive. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From leo@possi.org Thu Sep 24 17:57:10 2009 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Oxalis triangularis? papilionaceae? Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Hello, I have two clones of what I think must be the same Oxalis. One I bought as O. triangularis (red leaves) and one as Oxalis papilionaceae (green leaves.) I have in years past also bought the red one as O. vulcanicola. I don't know what is the correct name. There are photos on the Wiki of the red form as O. triangularis. I have some in the house in pots and one outside under a patio cover next to the hose bib. The one outside has survived the best, probably because I have never forgotten to water it. The plant isn't easy for me here in Phoenix. I have tried at least 10 times with it, starting with rhizomes and with plants. I have noticed only about 10% of the rhizomes I have bought over the years sprout even though they look fine when they arrive. The plant is prone to die if I repot it while in growth. At first I would stop watering to let the plant go dormant in the fall, but when I did this they always died and never returned. In fact, even when they have wilted severely, they have never come back. Where in Brazil does this originate? What kind of habitat? Is it normally a summer or winter grower? Is it particularly heat-intolerant? I know most people think it's easy to grow and I'm trying to figure out why I have trouble with it. Thanks, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From rvanderhoff@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 24 21:00:36 2009 Message-Id: <244256.53262.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ron Vanderhoff Subject: Oxalis triangularis? papilionaceae? Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:00:34 -0700 (PDT) So far as I know . . At the moment Oxalis triangularis supports two subspecies. O. triangularis ssp. triangularis usually has green leaves and are slightly smaller of the two ssp. O. triangularis ssp. papilionaceae has somewhat larger leaves and are usually a shade of red or burgandy. This is the form that is usually seen in horticulture and there are many named selections. Oxalis are a very confused genus taxonomically and many plants labelled as O. triangularis are probably not. Some are more likely the closely related Oxalis regnellii, which also has green and red leaf forms, sometimes even with two color shades on the same leaf. These are both soft, acaulescent, leafy plants, with very large (for an Oxalis) trifoliate leaflets. They form fleshy pseudobulbs. O. triangularis is native to Brazil and possibly Argentina at rather low elevations, with year-round moisture and in organic soils. They are a challenge in my dry Mediterranean climate, going into stress and often dormancy with sustained temperatures above 80F, esp. with my low humidity. Triangularis is reportedly rather cold hardy, surviving in dormancy through winters at temps below freezing. The plant you are calling Oxalis vulcanicola is a completely different species, with quite different characteristics. This plant is actually probably Oxalis spiralis ssp. vulcanicola and has many named and unmaned forms, often with colorful burgundy or caramel coloring. You will also see this plant under the name Oxalis siliquosa, but Dr, Alicia Lourteig, the leading authority on South American Oxalis, does not recognize this name, This is a caulescent plant with a noticeably semi-succulent, usually reddish colored stem. Both the leaves and flowers are very small. The flowers are yellow with red veins at the throat. It is quite easy to grow, but tolerates no frost. It also does not form a bulb or other storage organ and, thus in most gardens it is treated as an annual. It is native to South America as well. Ron Vanderhoff California ________________________________ From: Leo A. Martin To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:57:02 PM Subject: [pbs] Oxalis triangularis? papilionaceae? Hello, I have two clones of what I think must be the same Oxalis. One I bought as O. triangularis (red leaves) and one as Oxalis papilionaceae (green leaves.) I have in years past also bought the red one as O. vulcanicola. I don't know what is the correct name. There are photos on the Wiki of the red form as O. triangularis. I have some in the house in pots and one outside under a patio cover next to the hose bib. The one outside has survived the best, probably because I have never forgotten to water it. The plant isn't easy for me here in Phoenix. I have tried at least 10 times with it, starting with rhizomes and with plants. I have noticed only about 10% of the rhizomes I have bought over the years sprout even though they look fine when they arrive. The plant is prone to die if I repot it while in growth. At first I would stop watering to let the plant go dormant in the fall, but when I did this they always died and never returned. In fact, even when they have wilted severely, they have never come back. Where in Brazil does this originate? What kind of habitat? Is it normally a summer or winter grower? Is it particularly heat-intolerant? I know most people think it's easy to grow and I'm trying to figure out why I have trouble with it. Thanks, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From msittner@mcn.org Thu Sep 24 22:19:19 2009 Message-Id: <20090925021912.512EF4C00F@lists.ibiblio.org> From: (by way of Mary Sue Ittner ) Subject: Swedish doggy / bulbs Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:17:46 -0700 Thomas I am inclined to think you have been offered some good advice already by others as to the suitability of what you are proposing, Roger in Canada's only mild mistake is on the subject of language. To my personal knowledge and experience virtually all the Swedish people with whom I have had dealings, either from here in Scotland or when working and travelling in Scandinavia invariably speak and read English often much better than those for whom it is claimed as their first language, a few of them in Scotland and a lot more in England. The idea of mixing a website proposing to deal with geophytes amongst a wide range of gardener interests, including some high level professionals along with, lets be brutally frank, some of the truly ugliest of man made dogs ever to appear in Creation seems very odd, perhaps even weird. As a Scot I am all too familar with the subject of cost appreciation and sharing but with all due respect, at a risk of mixing metaphors, [I am sorry and no offence meant] however, this is one duck which won't quack far less fly. I also think it is somewhat bad mannered to try to introduce your project via the courtesy of the PBS folks, tolerant as they no doubt are, it comes across as bad form given the efforts and energies put into PBS by volounteers giving so much of their time, so freely. I find that I am able to learn much from the sidelines about what interests folks in western and some other parts of North America............. a very wide 'church' ......... both geographically and in range of interests.....while I doubt if they can advance their interests much by what happens in Sweden some of which may be on a similar latitude to mine here in northern Scotland but where only the most southern counties of Sweden can expect to grow out of doors a tiny fraction of the same range of genera and taxa. Iain From oothal@hotmail.com Thu Sep 24 22:18:47 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Xerophyta retinervis Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:18:36 -0500 Hi all, Has anyone tried growing Xerophyta retinervis? I found on the internet some old PBS forum notes about this plant but not much information. I have grown this plant for the past 3 years and find it totally amazing and very hard to kill. Anyone else grow them? Justin Smith Woodville, TX zone 8b/9a _________________________________________________________________ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 From aaron@edensblooms.com Thu Sep 24 23:34:51 2009 Message-Id: <345174.34827.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: Aaron Subject: Transplanting Rhodophiala Bifida (Aaron) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:34:36 -0700 (PDT) I have grown and transplanted a lot of oxblood lilies and have decided that you can move them anytime with good results.  Usually they are dug up in the fall because that is when they shout out their location.  As long as they are dug up before their leaves grow I think this is an ideal time.  The main danger is that you will break their necks--which isn't soo bad as long as they haven't finished growing leaves yet.  They will just grow new leaves out of their new top.  Since you have yours in pots they should be safe and easy to move (compared to pulling them out of a foot of clay).   You could wait until they go fully dormant to move them, but I think that a full growing season in their new location would be more advantageous than waiting for a "better" time to transplant.   My Oxblood Lilies will bloom anytime between August and November depending on when I water them.  I'm not surprised they bloom simultaneously even in different climate zones.   -Aaron Schnebly   Zone 8, Arizona --- On Thu, 9/24/09, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: From: pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 80, Issue 29 To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 10:21 AM Send pbs mailing list submissions to     pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at     pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics:    1. Re: Rhodophiala bifida (Adam Fikso)    2. Re: Rhodophiala bifida (Adam Fikso) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:00:01 -0500 From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" They don't work for either me or Jim Shields.   Very borderline at best. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Hornig" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida > Adam - I've never tried them outdoors.  > > Ellen > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Adam Fikso >>Sent: Sep 24, 2009 11:32 AM >>To: Pacific Bulb Society >>Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida >> >>Ellen?  Have you had any success growing it outdoors  in the ground? I >>haven't been able to, but I've been abel to get Sprekelia to behave for me >>within 24" of the house foundation here in Z 5a, along with a few >>Zantedeschia and Eucomis. >> > > > Seneca Hill Perennials > 3712 Co. Rt. 57 > Oswego NY 13126 > Phone: 315-342-5915 > Fax: 315-342-5573 > www.senecahillperennials.com > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:03:12 -0500 From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Frank?   Where in central Illinois are you located? And what kind of soil do you have? . ----- Original Message ----- From: "gentian21" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida > My potted  Rhodophiala bifida bloomed on September 5th and is long > finished. > http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/gentian/?action=view¤t=Rhodophialabifidapot.jpg > and one clump planted out I  had in bloom on the week that school started > with the second flush was a week ago (or was it the 3rd?).  This clump has > a > large number of leaves and did not miss a year after planting out.  At 4 > other locations they have all come up at different times with today > perhaps > the last one.  All locations of  Rhodophiala bifida have been hardy for me > with the unmulched ones that are deep planted with just a couple leaves. > The vigorous one is planted shallow and heavily mulched planted next too > My > Crinum bulbispermum that had 4 spikes this summer.  I assume that deep > planted ones take longer to get established.  My potted Lycoris radiata is > just peeking out of the soil but none in the ground are showing.  I have > Lycoris planted close to each Rhodophiala bifida.  I have one Sternbergia > in > bloom while other locations are not up at all.  All of these I have had > for > just 3 growing seasons. Autumn crocus are finished.  Update: Today > Sternbergias and Lycoris radiata planted out are coming up. > Frank Cooper > zone 5b > Central Illinois > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellen Hornig" > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: [pbs] Rhodophiala bifida > > >> >> It's in full bloom here in Oswego, NY (in pots). >> >> Ellen >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> >>>Where else is it blooming now? >>> >>> >>> >>>Jim McKenney >> >> _____________________________________________ >>>pbs mailing list >>>pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> >> Seneca Hill Perennials >> 3712 Co. Rt. 57 >> Oswego NY 13126 >> Phone: 315-342-5915 >> Fax: 315-342-5573 >> www.senecahillperennials.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 80, Issue 29 *********************************** From marie-paule.opdenakker@pandora.be Fri Sep 25 05:17:37 2009 Message-Id: <002701ca3dbd$ec29b4f0$6501a8c0@mpaule> From: "Marie-Paule" Subject: Xerophyta retinervis Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:55:25 +0200 Hello , I have a Xerophyta r. I have it since previous year, but it doesn’t do anything for me. I was told that it must be looked after as a cactus? The plant stands in pumice and at the surface a layer of orchid mix, I don’t know if this is the good mix. What mix do You have please. Where do You have stand it? A lot of questions but thank You in advance for reading it. I hope like You that maybe some people have more experience with it and share it with us? Kind Regards, Marie-Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Smith" To: Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:18 AM Subject: [pbs] Xerophyta retinervis Hi all, Has anyone tried growing Xerophyta retinervis? I found on the internet some old PBS forum notes about this plant but not much information. I have grown this plant for the past 3 years and find it totally amazing and very hard to kill. Anyone else grow them? Justin Smith Woodville, TX zone 8b/9a _________________________________________________________________ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 __________ NOD32 4455 (20090924) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From jshields@indy.net Fri Sep 25 06:28:46 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090925062255.01d0aa40@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Swedish doggy / bulbs Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:29:37 -0400 Tomas and all, No offense intended, Tomas, but Iain and the others are probably right. This PBS list is by far the most successful general list devoted to bulbs and other geophytes that I am aware of. I have seen Alpine-L drop from being the primary list for small bulbs to being irrelevant to bulbs, sadly, after Harry's health decline set in and led to has death. The IBS list is for members-only. Other lists seem to be niche groups, although I admit to not being familiar with, let alone a member of, the SRGS group. Arisaema-L, Trillium-L, the cyclamen list, and various other are fine groups, but they fit the niche category. PBS is "where it's at!" Jim Shields At 07:17 PM 9/24/2009 -0700, you wrote: >Thomas I am inclined to think you have been offered some good advice >already by others as to the suitability of what you are proposing, >Roger in Canada's only mild mistake is on the subject of language. To >my personal knowledge and experience virtually all the Swedish people >with whom I have had dealings, either from here in Scotland or when >working and travelling in Scandinavia invariably speak and read >English often much better than those for whom it is claimed as their >first language, a few of them in Scotland and a lot more in England. > >The idea of mixing a website proposing to deal with geophytes amongst >a wide range of gardener interests, including some high level >professionals along with, lets be brutally frank, some of the truly >ugliest of man made dogs ever to appear in Creation seems very odd, >perhaps even weird. As a Scot I am all too familar with the subject >of cost appreciation and sharing but with all due respect, at a risk >of mixing metaphors, [I am sorry and no offence meant] however, this >is one duck which won't quack far less fly. I also think it is >somewhat bad mannered to try to introduce your project via the >courtesy of the PBS folks, tolerant as they no doubt are, it comes >across as bad form given the efforts and energies put into PBS by >volounteers giving so much of their time, so freely. I find that I am >able to learn much from the sidelines about what interests folks in >western and some other parts of North America............. a very >wide 'church' ......... both geographically and in range of >interests.....while I doubt if they can advance their interests much >by what happens in Sweden some of which may be on a similar latitude >to mine here in northern Scotland but where only the most southern >counties of Sweden can expect to grow out of doors a tiny fraction of >the same range of genera and taxa. > >Iain > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From barkingdogwoods@gmail.com Fri Sep 25 09:03:05 2009 Message-Id: From: "Lin in Texas" Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:02:57 -0500 In my location the R. bifida always starts blooming with the first rains of autumn, generally around the first part of September. Lin in Texas (these are in Quitman in east Texas) -----Original Message----- Rhodophiala bifida has been mentioned in two recent posts. It's blooming now here in Maryland. It struck me as unexpected that it would be blooming for Lin in Texas now at the same time it is blooming here in Maryland. Where else is it blooming now? From msittner@mcn.org Fri Sep 25 10:54:03 2009 Message-Id: <20090925145402.E8C844C014@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Bulb lists/forums Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:53:26 -0700 Hi, When someone suggested changing this list to a forum earlier this year, it was pointed out that there is already an excellent forum for bulbs sponsored by the Scottish Rock Garden club and expertly run by Maggi Young. A number of people in our group belong to it as well as to the pbs list. It and the pbs list are both open to anyone who wishes to join and both have many knowledgeable and helpful participants. Maggi and I had a long exchange after this when it was discussed before and someone alerted her to it from our archives. There are advantages to each group. The biggest difference I believe (I'm not a member of the other mostly because I have no extra time and I'm sure I'd get hooked quickly) is how we handle images. Images are much easier to add in their group as they become part of the forum and the posts. We don't allow attachments or images to be added to the message. We do allow people to add images to the wiki, but this takes a bit of effort to learn how to use. On the other hand it is probably easier to find the images later on the wiki and with other pictures in the same place of the same genus. Since both have been in existence for quite awhile, they each have an established following. Our list started in 2002, first on Yahoo. People come and go to this list, but we have almost 500 members. I understand from Maggi that their group is even bigger. We are both proud of each group and grateful for the contributions from the people who belong to each. Mary Sue From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri Sep 25 14:31:41 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Bulb lists/forums Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:12:04 -0700 Mary Sue wrote, >When someone suggested changing this list to a forum earlier this >year, it was pointed out that there is already an excellent forum >for bulbs sponsored by the Scottish Rock Garden club and expertly run >by Maggi Young. I participated in the SRGC forum for a while but quit because I felt there were too many posts that lacked content. The SRGC itself is a valuable organization to belong to because its journal (published twice a year) is sometimes of great interest, and it has a very good seed exchange if you're willing to jump through the seed-importing hoops. I don't belong to any of the single-genus online discussion groups, but friends who do often report interesting information from them, and anyone can look at their archives. Regarding regional vs. global discussion groups, I think there's a need for both. Moreover, we should not jump to the conclusion that the North Atlantic rim is a bad place to grow bulbs. Alpine and continental steppe species, bulbous and otherwise, often grow very well at high latitudes where they experience the solid winter dormancy for which they have evolved. The Rock Garden Quarterly (NARGS) has featured botanic gardens in such places as Newfoundland and Norway that host wonderful arrays of species, including some bulbs, and no one can be unaware of the success enjoyed by Janis Ruksans and his colleagues in Latvia (though he does grow many kinds in greenhouses). As for language, English is, by default, the lingua franca of the Internet. As a linguist and native speaker of English I have to feel guilty about that, but it's a fait accompli. (Notice in the previous sentences how handy English is at absorbing useful phrases from other languages -- though unlike the British, we Americans generally pronounce them in "foreign.") Nevertheless, I think people who have a passive ("reading") knowledge of English but feel uncomfortable trying to write it should be able to post their thoughts and information in the most broadly accessible language of which they have active command. I expect most of us can read Spanish and/or French, and many of us can read German; and if you know English and German you can probably read Dutch, or if you know SPanish and a little Latin you can read Italian. There are bilingual dictionaries online if you don't happen to have an 8-foot shelf of them near your computer (OK, I do, but I've always needed them). I admit these observations are Eurocentric and limited to languages using the roman alphabet, and I also feel guilty about not having learned Chinese when I was young enough to memorize their writing system. Who would have known, thirty years ago, that we would have an Internet with tempting Chinese pages -- some of them with pictures of plants? Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From kellso@irvincentral.com Fri Sep 25 14:52:23 2009 Message-Id: <4ABD114D.4000100@irvincentral.com> From: Kelly Irvin Subject: Bulb lists/forums Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:51:57 -0500 Jane: I'm happy for those who can read other languages besides English, but I must be in a minority, only being fluent in Texan and Arkansan dialects. I also know a bit of Aussie and British English, but that's about as far as I can take it. Texan translation: I don't know 'bout you little missy, but Texan is the real a ling... aw, I say ling... aw, common shared language. Arkansan translation: If you ain't an Arkie, you ain't no-buddy! Aussie translation: Yeh, royt! British English: There is only one proper language, and that, my dear, is the Queen's English. Tutt tutt and ta ta! I would say, until God reintroduces a pure language (Zephaniah 3:9), everybody feel totally free to write as you are comfortable writing about bulbs, and those who understand can reply in a way they are most comfortable replying. ;-) Mr. Kelly M. Irvin 10850 Hodge Ln Gravette, AR 72736 USA 479-787-9958 USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b http://www.irvincentral.com/ Jane McGary wrote: > I expect most of us can read Spanish and/or > French, and many of us can read German; and if you know English and > German you can probably read Dutch, or if you know SPanish and a > little Latin you can read Italian. There are bilingual dictionaries > online if you don't happen to have an 8-foot shelf of them near your > computer (OK, I do, but I've always needed them). From kellyo@wetrock.com Fri Sep 25 19:54:02 2009 Message-Id: <4ABCF614.10034.52227C74@kellyo.wetrock.com> From: "Kelly O'Neill" Subject: Bulb lists/forums Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:55:48 -0700 > an Internet with tempting > Chinese pages -- some of them with > pictures of plants? I have surfed japanese pages using an automated translator seen in my firefox browser. I think it is a google thing when I search google I see the option to translate the page. Not great translations and maybe they don't do chinese? Kinda fun tho. I can read no other languages. Some would say I can't even write my own local one :-) Kelly O'Neill http://www.bigbubblers.com and and Wet Rock Gardens Flower Farm 2877 N 19th Street - Springfield, Oregon 97477 U-Pick and more at the farm (open 9 to 6, Sun, Wed and Fri - from March thru Halloween) kellyo@wetrock.com - http://www.wetrock.com From oothal@hotmail.com Fri Sep 25 22:32:58 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Xerophyta retinervis Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:32:49 -0500 Hi ya, My X. retinervis is planted in a sandy mix about half sand half organic. It gets full hot Texas sun and I water mine so much that algae grows on the side of the pot!!!!! They stay wet though not in standing water. I most likely water mine a bit too much but they seem to grow ok. I have not put them outside in the winter time to test cold hardiness. Something I am going to do this winter. The only way I have ever killed one of these plants is to transplant it. The smaller the plant the more apt it is to die if the roots are disturbed. I have found that if it is over 1 inch (2.5cm) high, that it stands a good chance of surviving transplanting. Any plant smaller than that is gonna die. I hope you know that they are a resurrection plant. So if you let them dry out they turn all brown and dead looking. Add water and poof they are green again. This is a nice thing to show off to people by giving them this dead looking plant and tell them to just add water. Then in about 2 days they have a green and growing plant again! I am pretty sure the reason yours is not growing much is that it does not get enough water to grow well. I know I have read online about X. retinervis being hard to grow and such. This plant does not mind having lots more water. If you have any doubts about giving this plant water and plenty of it, just ask and I will post a pic of mine online for you to see. I have about 20 of them growing in pots that get watered everyday. I have read that they don't mind being crowded which I find is true. I have a drink cup that I used for a pot and it is packed tight with X. plants. lol They seem to like it. If you only have one plant then it is a leap of faith to risk it with a method of growing that seems to be at odds with conventional wisdom, but this plant will grow with plenty of water. It still is a slow grower but you will start to notice a difference. Since you have yours in pumice and orchid bark. I would not disturb the roots and mix up sand with fine organic matter and put that in with water and let it wash into the cracks. Disturbing the roots really sets it back if it doesn't kill it. Don't let it dry out between watering. With full sun too. If the tip of the leaves start turning dark in color and are not green then it is not getting enough water. That is the first sign that the plant is shutting down and going dormant. If you have any more questions please feel free to ask here or send privately. Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a > > Hello , > > I have a Xerophyta r. I have it since previous year, but it doesn’t do > anything for me. I was told that it must be looked after as a cactus? The > plant stands in pumice and at the surface a layer of orchid mix, I don’t > know if this is the good mix. What mix do You have please. Where do You have > stand it? A lot of questions but thank You in advance for reading it. I hope > like You that maybe some people have more experience with it and share it > with us? > > Kind Regards, > > Marie-Paule > _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From oothal@hotmail.com Fri Sep 25 22:44:07 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Bulb lists/forums Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:43:59 -0500 Howdy all, You mean there are languages other than Texan? 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Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it Sat Sep 26 05:13:54 2009 Message-Id: <12C00DA1-C21A-4CA7-90C4-AED07B19B6C2@tiscali.it> From: studio pozzi taubert Subject: unknown Cyclamen Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:13:43 +0200 Hello , I need to identify this cyclamen http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen.jpg http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen2.jpg http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen_leaf.jpg may anyone help me? many thanks in advance and have a great weekend here a rainy and cold Autumn Saturday morning Giorgio Pozzi Travedona (Varese) Italy zone 7/8 studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Sat Sep 26 05:24:49 2009 Message-Id: <3b9284cd0909260224w2ea13deaqe53bdc59620b5b9f@mail.gmail.com> From: "J. Agoston" Subject: unknown Cyclamen Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:24:46 +0200 It is Cyclamen hederifolium 'Album'. Very nice, and has a sweety fragrance. Bye, Jan Z5a, Hungary, with sunshine:) 2009/9/26 studio pozzi taubert : > Hello , > > > I need to identify this cyclamen > > http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen.jpg > > http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen2.jpg > > http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen_leaf.jpg > > may anyone help me? > > many thanks in advance and > > have a great weekend > > > > here a rainy and cold Autumn Saturday morning > > Giorgio Pozzi > Travedona (Varese) > Italy zone 7/8 > > studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ds429@comcast.net Sat Sep 26 13:33:19 2009 Message-Id: <000c01ca3ecf$6d3c6f30$47b54d90$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 219 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:33:13 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 219" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Kathleen Sayce: (SEED) 1. Ornithogalum magnum, ex hort, ex Odyssey 2. Ornithogalum narbonense, ex hort, ex Odyssey 3. Lilium columbianum, from a wild population in the north Oregon Coast Range From Dianne Martinelli: (SEED) 4. Habranthus tubispathus 5. Dierama pulcherrimum 6. Freesia laxa, white 7. Freesia laxa, coral 8. Gladiolus tristis 9. Moraea setifolia 10. Cyrtanthus sp?, "fire lily" 11. Cypella coelestis 12. Moraea huttonii 13. Gladiolus splendens From Shirley Meneice: (SEED) 14. Albuca maxima 15. Anomatheca laxa 16. Sparaxis bulbifera 17. Sparaxis elegans 18. Bowiea sp? 19. "Lily" 20. Zigadenus fremontii 21. Cyclamen coum? 22. Watsonia, white 23. Sisyrinchium californicum, "yellow-eyed grass" From Mark Mazer: (SEED) 24. Babiana ringens 25. Sparaxis parviflora 26. Habranthus xfloryii 27. Anomatheca laxa 'Joan Evans' ex Jack Elliott 28. Lachenalia mathewsii 29. Lachenalia kliprandensis 30. Lachenalia alba 31. Lachenalia pustulata, dark blues 32. Lachenalia unicolor 33. Lachenalia elegans var suaveolens 34. Lachenalia alba, early 35. Lachenalia stayneri 36. Lapeirousia jacquinii Thank you, Kathleen, Dianne, Shirley, and Mark !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From totototo@telus.net Sat Sep 26 13:48:45 2009 Message-Id: <4ABDF18B.235.570D1E@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: unknown Cyclamen Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:48:43 -0700 On 26 Sep 2009, at 11:13, studio pozzi taubert wrote: > I need to identify this cyclamen > > http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen.jpg > > http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen2.jpg > > http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr323/gippi50/cyclamen_leaf.jpg Cyclamen hederifolium, without a doubt. C. africanum is very similar, but also very rare in cultivation. Cc. graecum & cyprium also have auricles but the overall gestalt of the flowers is different. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From totototo@telus.net Sat Sep 26 13:51:15 2009 Message-Id: <4ABDF220.13576.5954FC@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: unknown Cyclamen Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:51:12 -0700 On 26 Sep 2009, at 11:24, J. Agoston wrote: > It is Cyclamen hederifolium 'Album'. Very nice, and has a sweety fragrance. Only some forms of C. hederifolium are fragrant. I have a great many plants acquired over a long time from many different sources, so I get the delicate lily of the valley scent drifting on the air, but bedamned if I can ever pinpoint which of the many plants are scented. The majority are unscented. Reputedly it's certain geographic races that are fragrant, those from Corfu being especially famous for their scent. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Sat Sep 26 14:12:45 2009 Message-Id: <3b9284cd0909261112g49b9d951w268385cf4885dde0@mail.gmail.com> From: "J. Agoston" Subject: unknown Cyclamen Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:12:43 +0200 Roger, I have a 35/+ tuber flowering, about 100 stems in a 22 cm pot. Sweetly scented, would you like me to collect seeds for you? Flowers are whiteish soft pink, but I have an other one with pinker flowers but less scented. Jan From ksayce@willapabay.org Sat Sep 26 18:37:26 2009 Message-Id: <74D116C8-C7E4-44D6-AF78-ACE839EA3A1F@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: a non-flowering iris Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:36:55 -0700 A few weeks ago, someone mentioned a non-flowering iris. I took the time today to go measure the leaves on a clump of Iris I have that has also never flowered for me. Would the person who wrote about it contact me so we can compare notes? I have had this plant for more than 10 years; it came with a label indicating it was Iris tenax, but now that I know that species better, I know the leaves are too long, and the leaf color is too gray. In this mystery iris clump, Individual leaves are at their largest 4 mm wide and 60-62 cm long. The clump is 25 cm across, and the foliage color is light greenish gray. In my yard, zone 8, it grows in sandy silt, in a bed that gets no summer water and full sun. Kathleen On Willapa Bay in the Pacific Northwest, warm, sunny and windy From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat Sep 26 20:35:58 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: a non-flowering iris Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:35:41 -0700 Kathleen on the Oregon coast wrote >A few weeks ago, someone mentioned a non-flowering iris. I took the >time today to go measure the leaves on a clump of Iris I have that >has also never flowered for me. Would the person who wrote about it >contact me so we can compare notes? > >I have had this plant for more than 10 years; it came with a label >indicating it was Iris tenax, but now that I know that species >better, I know the leaves are too long, and the leaf color is too gray. > >In this mystery iris clump, Individual leaves are at their largest 4 >mm wide and 60-62 cm long. The clump is 25 cm across, and the foliage >color is light greenish gray. In my yard, zone 8, it grows in sandy >silt, in a bed that gets no summer water and full sun. Are the leaves 4 mm wide? Other than that, the foliage description reminds me of Iris munzii, a member of the same section (Pacific Coast irises) but from California. It has grayish leaves that are broad for a PCI (probably up to 4 cm) and quite long and rather erect. I grew it for a while (until it froze to death -- it has the reputation of being the most tender of the section) and it never flowered here in the Oregon Cascade foothills. The flowers are supposed to be a beautiful shade of blue, and this species has been widely used in breeding Pacific Coast iris hybrids. Perhaps Kathleen's plant is a hybrid seedling from a garden where I. tenax was growing with this species or with hybrids related to it. I don't know why it would survive more than 10 years without flowering, unless it needs more heat to initiate flowering -- it won't get much where Kathleen lives. The only irises I know of that would actually have leaves only 4 mm wide and that long are I. filifolia and I. tingitana, which come from the western Mediterranean, but they are bulbous and don't really form "clumps" like the rhizomatous to fibrous-rooted PCIs do. I grow these in the bulb frame, where they have flowered. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From oothal@hotmail.com Sat Sep 26 23:45:27 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: looking for Johnsonia sp. seed source Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:45:21 -0500 Hi all, Just today I got my shipment of seed from Nindethana seed in australia. My first order from them. I am looking up the seeds I got again to refresh myself on what I ordered. When I looked up Johnsonia lupulina and I just now noticed that it is in the PBS database. Something I had not noticed when I originally ordered it. I do a more in-depth search on the web and find there are other Johnsonia that are even nicer looking. Johnsonia teretifolia and Johnsonia pubescens with most likely others I have not found pictures of. Anyone know of a source of seed for these? Thanks Justin Smith Woodville, TX 8b/9a _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From voltaire@islandnet.com Sun Sep 27 00:02:10 2009 Message-Id: <4C08BA17-C632-4846-8F16-ACF8B567451A@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: looking for Johnsonia sp. seed source Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:00:52 -0700 Great plant! Instantly identifiable while I was whipping along at highway speeds. Sorry I don't know the other species. Diane On 26-Sep-09, at 8:45 PM, Justin Smith wrote: > Johnsonia lupulina From xerantheum@gmail.com Sun Sep 27 01:31:25 2009 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: BX 101-200 list Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:31:17 -0700 Hi everyone, March of this year saw the 200th BX offering from the PBS. Now that we have moved beyond the 200 number, there is a need to have these items recorded. I have just finished compiling a list for BX 101-200. It is ready for download from on the PBS homepage (pacificbulbsociety.org) along with the list for BX 1-100. These lists represent an important living part PBS, the BX. With them, we now have a good idea of what members are growing, and in the US, they will help if import restrictions are placed by the USDA. I have computed some statistics for the 101-200 list that I think would be interesting to everyone. The list started with BX 101 (September 2005) and ended with BX 200 (March 2009). This represents 3.5 years of activity. During this time, 1830 items were offered with an average of 18.3 items per BX or 42.6 items per month. The average number of BX's per month is 2.3! This means that Dell made an average of 2 a little more trips to the post office each month, although this number ranged from 1-4. There was not a single month during this period where Dell is free. September through December seems to be the period with the highest intensity where he made 3-4 trips a month of the post office! Seasonal offerings were as such: spring (235 items) < winter (288 items) < summer (563 items) < fall (774 items). In 2006, 338 items were offered, in 2007, 508 items were offered, and 2008, 627 items were offered. This means we saw a double in the number of items available in just 3 years! I think these statistics are excellent news. Please join me in thanking Dell for all the tireless and efficient work he had devoted, and still devoting, to the BX! Furthermore, the BX would not have so many items to offer if there weren't members contributing, so let's thank them as well. And keep those items coming everyone. Let's beat the 2008 record! Nhu Berkeley, CA -- some Oxalis, Zephyranthes candida, and Nerine sarniensis hyrids are in full bloom. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ From ds429@comcast.net Sun Sep 27 07:28:50 2009 Message-Id: <000001ca3f65$af5aa300$0e0fe900$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Correction on BX 219 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:28:49 -0400 The following item is not seed but cormlets of B. ringens. Also, they are in short supply. From Mark Mazer: (SEED) 24. Babiana ringens From HHeaven77@aol.com Sun Sep 27 08:28:12 2009 Message-Id: <8CC0D85102A8F22-3088-13603@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com> From: hheaven77@aol.com Subject: Correction on BX 219 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:27:50 -0400 I would like to have some. ?Thank you, Celeste Gornick -----Original Message----- From: Dell Sherk To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 4:28 am Subject: [pbs] Correction on BX 219 The following item is not seed but cormlets of B. ringens. Also, they are in short supply. From Mark Mazer: (SEED) 24. Babiana ringens From ksayce@willapabay.org Sun Sep 27 20:33:08 2009 Message-Id: <53669BDD-261C-433C-9D71-7BE040B03B22@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: a non-flowering iris Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:32:39 -0700 Jane, Yes, this plant has leaves that are only 4 mm wide. Whatever it is, it is also hardy--surviving sub 15F temps and snow last year. I don't think Iris munzii would have lived through last winter in my yard. Iain suggested replanting it, so I may divide it in half, and take a very close look at the roots when I do so, to see what their structure is like. Thanks for your comments, Kathleen On Willapa Bay, Washington, as another sunny day ends. From kjblack@pacbell.net Sun Sep 27 22:52:43 2009 Message-Id: <799885.60849.qm@web80403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ken Subject: progress on UC Irvine's Brunsvigia litoralis Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:52:41 -0700 (PDT) I revisited the Arboretum at UC Irvine this past Saturday ... 1 week after being there the previous Saturday.  Thought I'd post a shot of the progress on their Brunsvigia litoralis blooms:   http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3960568837/?addedcomment=1#comment72157622344985329   Ken San Diego USDA zone 10-11  From byron.amerson@gmail.com Sun Sep 27 23:13:21 2009 Message-Id: <8b1330f60909272012n595c76eav9bdd64c0f8892858@mail.gmail.com> From: Byron Amerson Subject: BX 101-200 list Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:12:59 -0700 A hearty Thank You to Dell for all of your dedicated service to the BX. I certainly appreciate it! Cheers, Byron San Rafael, CA From voltaire@islandnet.com Mon Sep 28 01:53:32 2009 Message-Id: From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Oxalis for BX Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:44:18 -0400 From: "Dell Sherk" Date: September 27, 2009 9:48:52 AM PDT (CA) To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Subject: FW: Oxalis for BX Here are amended comments from Ron Vanderhoff about his oxalis that are on their way to you from BX 218: From: Ron Vanderhoff [mailto:rvanderhoff@sbcglobal.net] I had two description/species clarifications. Perhaps it's too late to do anything but here they are. Maybe you can forward this email to anyone who received these two species if it's not too much trouble. Oxalis anomala was certainly mislabelled. I received it from a Dutch broker under this name, but had since realized that it was mislabelled, since O. anomala is pink with different foliage, different habit, etc. I realize now that I never changed my accession record and now I've passed along more misinformation. The genus Oxalis is already a taxonomic mess and I just contributed a bit more to the mess. I believe this plant may be Oxalis ambigua instead. I seems to be very similar in more respects, including the storage organ, but with somewhat smaller flowers and shorter internodes. As for the plant labelled O. massonorum, this is quite a mystery. I received it several years ago from Jim Holmes of South Africa, who was once regarded as quite an Oxalis authority. I and others bought this under this name, but with a picture and discription identical to a very similar sounding species - O. massoniana (orange with a yellow throat). All of us who bought it apparently ended up with quite a different plant - white flowers, somewhat silvery-grey, linear, hairy foliage, etc. Actually, the foliage is mat green, but the hairs are white, giving the plant a frosted appearance. In the meantime, Jim has withdrawn a bit from from the Oxalis scene and the bulb remains a mystery, but he did recently email me with this brief message: "I have as yet not been able to I.D. that Oxalis, it came from the Sutherland area, ( as I remember ) there are a couple of people in the area that may be able to help, but I will need to track them down. Sorry I can not give you any more info at this stage.". Christiaan van Schalkwyk hasn't identified it either. I'm starting to spread a few around with the hope of someone being able to apply a name or at least a species affinity to it. Whatever its true name is, it is a wonderful Oxalis. Very low and a very heavy bloomer. I attached a couple of images. For now, the name Oxalis massonorum doesn't seem to have any taxonomic basis. Thanks Dell. Ron Vanderhoff rvanderhoff@sbcglobal.net California From totototo@telus.net Mon Sep 28 14:26:35 2009 Message-Id: <4AC09D64.25084.33B89DE@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: a non-flowering iris Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:26:28 -0700 On 27 Sep 2009, at 17:32, Kathleen Sayce wrote: > Yes, this plant has leaves that are only 4 mm wide. Whatever it is, > it is also hardy--surviving sub 15F temps and snow last year. I don't > think Iris munzii would have lived through last winter in my yard. > > Iain suggested replanting it, so I may divide it in half, and take a > very close look at the roots when I do so, to see what their > structure is like. Could it be Iris uniflora or Iris minuto-aurea? The latter in particular is famous for not flowering. There are other small irises from the same general area (Korea, Manchuria, eastern Siberia, etc) that are notoriously difficult to flower, though in their native habitat they put on a respectable show. Or so I gather - why else would anyone bother collecting them, plus, you can't get seeds to collect if the plant doesn't flower. Another possibility is that it's one of the very dwarf forms of Acorus gramineus. Some of these have been known to masquerade as irises, the game only being given away when a clever gardener persuades them to flower. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon Sep 28 16:13:38 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: a non-flowering iris Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:08:36 -0700 Rodger wrote, >Could it be Iris uniflora or Iris minuto-aurea? The latter in particular is >famous for not flowering. There >Another possibility is that it's one of the very dwarf forms of Acorus >gramineus. Some of these have been known to masquerade as irises, >the game only >being given away when a clever gardener persuades them to flower. I think Kathleen's plant has leaves longer than those Iris species. I have seen Acorus gramineus labeled "Iris" in a garden center. Another possibility that occurred to me is one of the taller species of Sisyrinchium, but they probably would be blooming. Jane McGary From ds429@comcast.net Mon Sep 28 17:06:34 2009 Message-Id: <000001ca407f$8f511380$adf33a80$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Seed, Bulb, Plant Inventory Software Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:06:33 -0400 Dear Leo, Did you or someone else say that one could import an Excel spreadsheet into a database with OpenOffice? Dell -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Leo A. Martin Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:50 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] Seed, Bulb, Plant Inventory Software It really is very easy to do a database for yourself with any database program. They all have step-by-step instructions to walk you through the process. MS Access is one database but it does cost a lot of money if you don't have it. Open Office is an open-source, free-to-download office suite that reads and writes Microsoft formats as well as using its own format. It has a database, word processor, slide presentation program, and more. It is NOT fly-by-night, virus-laden software. It is a real thing written and supported by a huge online community of programmers and users. Try it. I repeat, it's free. http://www.openoffice.org Decide what information you want in your database. Mine has these fields: Access number | Genus | Species | Family | Where I got it 1 | Where I got it 2 | Where I got it 3 | Stage acquired (seed, bulb, etc.) | Date acquired | Where now | Cost | Notes Give every plant a unique ID number. You can write this on the underground part of your label so even if the top breaks off you still have the ID number. Put your gardening notes in the free-form notes field as you work with the plant. Date each new note. Leo Martin From leo@possi.org Mon Sep 28 18:07:37 2009 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Rhodophiala bifida Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:07:36 -0700 (PDT) > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:39:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Leo A. Martin" > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > Mine aren't up at all yet. The bed didn't get as much water this year as > in past years. Maybe they won't bloom this year. Well. One came up Saturday, two days after I wrote the above. Bulbs will do that to you. Flowers soon. I also found Strumaria discifera in bud in a storage box. Time to pull out the stored bulbs in boxes, and plant the amaryllid seeds sleeping in the refrigerator since spring. I was waiting until after our current heat wave is over (106 F / 41C as I write) but the bulbs jumped the gun. At least nights are beginning to cool. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon Sep 28 18:09:46 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: a non-flowering plant Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:12:42 -0500 To all, Sorry been busy for a week. What leads you to believe your plant is any iris at all.? If it has not flowered it could be anything from a grass, to lily family etc. Do you have pictures you can post or give specifics? A friend once asked me " Can you identify this plant? It has 3 leaves and lives in the woods?" That's TOO easy. More info please. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From leo@possi.org Mon Sep 28 18:13:11 2009 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Oxalis triangularis? papilionaceae? Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Thanks to Roy who replied here and those who replied privately. > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:00:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ron Vanderhoff > Subject: Re: [pbs] Oxalis triangularis? papilionaceae? [snip] > Oxalis are a very confused genus taxonomically and many plants labelled > as O. triangularis are probably not. Some?are more likely the closely > related Oxalis regnellii, which also has green and red leaf forms, > sometimes even with two color shades on the same leaf. These are both > soft, acaulescent, leafy plants, with very large (for an Oxalis) > trifoliate leaflets. They form fleshy pseudobulbs. My plants have thin rhizomes, about 2 millimeters diameter, ridged with old leaf bases/scars. I wouldn't call them pseudobulbs at all. > O. triangularis is native to Brazil and possibly Argentina at rather low > elevations, with year-round moisture and in organic soils. They are a > challenge in my dry Mediterranean climate, going into stress and often > dormancy with sustained temperatures above 80F, esp. with my > low?humidity. Triangularis is?reportedly rather cold hardy, surviving > in?dormancy through winters?at temps?below freezing. That seems like my experience. The one outside under the hose made it through the January 2007 freeze fine. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From leo@possi.org Mon Sep 28 18:17:04 2009 Message-Id: <804b48a685c1ac5d9422aa9972b15d15.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Xerophyta retinervis Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:17:03 -0700 (PDT) > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:18:36 -0500 > From: Justin Smith > Has anyone tried growing Xerophyta retinervis? I found on the internet > some old PBS forum notes about this plant but not much information. > I have grown this plant for the past 3 years and find it totally amazing > and very hard to kill. Anyone else grow them? Hello Justin, How did you get plants? I got seeds to sprout many times but they never grew. They just sat there for months to a year, tiny, until I forgot to water. I was told some related Brazilian Vellozia species are in cultivation at Bonn. The Vellozia I saw in Brazil and Madagascar grew either on rocks in shallow detritus mats or in shallow sand over rocks. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From oothal@hotmail.com Mon Sep 28 22:32:38 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Xerophyta retinervis Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:32:24 -0500 Hi Leo, I got my seed from Silverhills seed in SA. I had very good germination. I put the seed in a sandy/peat mix. I then put the water to them and kept them wet when they sprouted. With lots of sun and water they grew with no problems at all. Though if you transplant them and they are small they will die. They don't like having their roots disturbed so plant them very thinly. It is my understanding that they also like having their roots cramped in a small space. Check out this link if you have not already http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantwxyz/xerophytret.htm There is one key phrase in this that is important. "...seasonally high rainfall regions..." I hope that when you forgot to water that you did not throw it out! It is a resurrection plant and will turn totally brown and dead looking when dried out. I dried out one of my plants and gave it as a gift. lol The lady thanked me but gave me a rather disgusted look. She later told me she could not believe that a dead plant could come back to life. There are quite a few Vellozia sp. from Brazil from what I can find out. Though information on growing them is non-existent online. I gather also that they are not as tolerant of wet roots as X. retinervis. Take care Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a > > Hello Justin, > > How did you get plants? I got seeds to sprout many times but they never > grew. They just sat there for months to a year, tiny, until I forgot to > water. > > I was told some related Brazilian Vellozia species are in cultivation at > Bonn. The Vellozia I saw in Brazil and Madagascar grew either on rocks in > shallow detritus mats or in shallow sand over rocks. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing™ now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 From marie-paule.opdenakker@pandora.be Tue Sep 29 07:01:23 2009 Message-Id: <647DE5307B4846B986D42671C10DB7C3@PCvanmpaule> From: "Marie-Paule" Subject: Xerophyta retinervis Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:01:05 +0200 Hello Justin, I have read the link that You gave, fascinating. Justin when I bought my plant they send it with no roots, that is what I was remembering now, so I’m afraid that is maybe the problem that the plant won’t grow? I hope not, because You mentioned that they hate repotting. It was send with now soil, so that is repotted from the nursery to me. So if that is the problem do they make roots again? L Kind Regards, Marie-Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Xerophyta retinervis Hi Leo, I got my seed from Silverhills seed in SA. I had very good germination. I put the seed in a sandy/peat mix. I then put the water to them and kept them wet when they sprouted. With lots of sun and water they grew with no problems at all. Though if you transplant them and they are small they will die. They don't like having their roots disturbed so plant them very thinly. It is my understanding that they also like having their roots cramped in a small space. Check out this link if you have not already http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantwxyz/xerophytret.htm There is one key phrase in this that is important. "...seasonally high rainfall regions..." I hope that when you forgot to water that you did not throw it out! It is a resurrection plant and will turn totally brown and dead looking when dried out. I dried out one of my plants and gave it as a gift. lol The lady thanked me but gave me a rather disgusted look. She later told me she could not believe that a dead plant could come back to life. There are quite a few Vellozia sp. from Brazil from what I can find out. Though information on growing them is non-existent online. I gather also that they are not as tolerant of wet roots as X. retinervis. Take care Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a > > Hello Justin, > > How did you get plants? I got seeds to sprout many times but they never > grew. They just sat there for months to a year, tiny, until I forgot to > water. > > I was told some related Brazilian Vellozia species are in cultivation at > Bonn. The Vellozia I saw in Brazil and Madagascar grew either on rocks in > shallow detritus mats or in shallow sand over rocks. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing™ now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4466 (20090929) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jshields104@comcast.net Tue Sep 29 08:51:30 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090929084812.01d146e8@mail.comcast.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Haemanthus Hybrid 'Burgundy' Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:52:37 -0400 I have my hybrid Haemanthus in bloom again, and I decided to name this strain of Haemanthus as "Burgundy" because of its unique color for a form of Haemanthus. This bulb and one other are producing twin scapes this year, another trait I've not seen before in Haemanthus. This image is on-line in my blog at: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/Blogs/Garden/index.html and in the Florapix web site at: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/temperate/?gal=bulbs&id=2370 The peduncle is moderately hirsute and has some red to burgundy coloration. The erect bracts, burgundy in color and numbering (usually) 5 or 6, enclose the scarlet flowers. As the bulbs are still maturing, I'm not sure what the ultimate scape height and flower count might be. The leaves seem intermediate between the two parents' leaves, with light covering of hairs, more along the leaf margins. The leaf margins tend to have a fine red line and on the lower (abaxial) surface of the leaves may be some transverse red striation near the base. The actual cross was Haemanthus [humilis hirsutus x coccineus] where the seed parent had pure white flowers and the pollen parent had scarlet flowers. Where did the burgundy color come from? I hope to take the most vigorous seedling from this batch and hand propagate it. Jim Shields in Westfield, Indiana USA ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From oothal@hotmail.com Tue Sep 29 10:34:14 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Xerophyta retinervis Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:33:59 -0500 Hi Marie-Paule, From all that I have been able to find about Xerophyta it has been known to grow roots again. Well this plant grows roots down along the entire length of the stem from what I understand. Mine are fairly short and don't have much stem. It stands to reason that if any of the roots get moisture that they should start to grow longer. I think you said yours was in pumice. If so I would mix sand and organic material in some water and pour that onto the pumice. To fill in the voids. Keep that very moist all of the time, don't let it dry out between waterings. This plant loves lots of water. Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a > > Hello Justin, > I have read the link that You gave, fascinating. Justin when I bought my > plant they send it with no roots, that is what I was remembering now, so I’m > afraid that is maybe the problem that the plant won’t grow? I hope not, > because You mentioned that they hate repotting. It was send with now soil, > so that is repotted from the nursery to me. > > So if that is the problem do they make roots again? L > > Kind Regards, > > Marie-Paule > _________________________________________________________________ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 From HHeaven77@aol.com Tue Sep 29 21:28:38 2009 Message-Id: <8CC0F846E6E0D25-3F2C-8106@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> From: hheaven77@aol.com Subject: Bulb Fall Season begins in Arizona Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:28:21 -0400 Finally our night time temperatures in the metro Phoenix, AZ area have fallen low enough to kick off the fall/winter bulb season. Blooming today is Zephranthes 'La buffa rosa'. Several oxalis are starting to push up along with Scadoxus. Haemanthus are looking better and new leaves are replacing the old weathered ones. Aloe seeds I have just planted are coming up en masse. But sadly, I am seeing the first signs of Bursera microphylla going dormant. These beautiful fragrant trees have been a joy all summer remaining green and fresh looking when all else looking very fried. Celeste in the Sonoran Desert. Daytime temperature today 103 degrees F and nighttime temperature around 76 degrees F but cooler temperatures are on the way. From ksayce@willapabay.org Tue Sep 29 22:05:02 2009 Message-Id: <16FF786D-9CF4-4F89-A42B-0F6A898C4DD3@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: a non-flowering iris Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:03:14 -0700 What leads you to believe your plant is any iris at all? The gestalt of the plant leads me to think it is an iris; it lacks leafy stems like grasses. The leaves are clearly iris-like, the roots are iris-like, without stolons or other grass features. Also, there is no sign of bulbs, corms, rhizomes or other below ground portions that would lead me to suspect membership in other families. Do you have pictures you can post or give specifics? I don't have a flickr or other web image account right now to post pictures. But it is a logical next step to make IDs easier. Thanks for the suggestion. Meanwhile, I wonder if I should increase fertilizer, compost, or do something else to try to trigger flowering next year? Kathleen From jyourch@nc.rr.com Wed Sep 30 15:25:28 2009 Message-Id: <20090930192517.E1INW.191479.root@cdptpa-web09-z01> From: Jay Yourch Subject: Today's Doonesbury Cartoon Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:25:17 -0400 You'd think way off topic, but it's not. Check it out. http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20090930 From klazina@orcon.net.nz Wed Sep 30 15:32:38 2009 Message-Id: <4AC3B254.4050400@orcon.net.nz> From: Ina Subject: Today's Doonesbury Cartoon Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:32:36 +1300 You'd think way off topic, but it's not. Check it out. http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20090930 LOL. The excitement! The pleasure! Ina Crossley :o) From jyourch@nc.rr.com Wed Sep 30 15:46:36 2009 Message-Id: <20090930194634.VV2KX.191872.root@cdptpa-web09-z01> From: Jay Yourch Subject: More bulb related cartoons Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:46:34 -0400 Hi all, Monday and Tuesday were also bulb related, here are links to all three. Enjoy, Jay http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2009/db090928.gif http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2009/db090929.gif http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2009/db090930.gif From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Wed Sep 30 15:55:12 2009 Message-Id: <000701ca4207$ec9480c0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Today's Doonesbury Cartoon Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:55:12 -0400 Bulb dealers have long used food metaphors to sell their wares. But the catalog being read in the Doonesbury piece seems to be making appeals to yet another appetite. My, my... Wow! We're mainstream now. Thanks, Jay. I looked right over these when I read the paper - maybe because the version in the Washington Post is black & white and not color. The one where the bulb was saying "I'm not in Holland anymore, am I?" really had me laughing. I would swear that some of the northern Indian Arisaema have done exactly the same thing here: pop up, look around, realize the horrible mistake, and drop into an irreversible depression forever. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From kjblack@pacbell.net Wed Sep 30 17:52:57 2009 Message-Id: <16536.91761.qm@web80402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ken Subject: late blooming Amaryllis belladonna Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Most of my Amaryllis belladonna and hybrids finished a few weeks ago ... but these just came into bloom the last day or two.  Store bought bulbs bought late and discounted to 50 cents ... were advertised as 'White' belladonnas ...      http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3970220054/   and ... thought I'd just post this pic of ripening A.belladonna seed.  Like little pink pearls bursting out of their oyster shells ...   http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3970220266/   Ken San Diego USDA zone 10-11 From brutem@mcn.org Wed Sep 30 18:39:55 2009 Message-Id: <20090930223948.C7D5E4C00E@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Bob Rutemoeller Subject: Gladiolus carmineus Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:39:39 -0700 I have been enjoying the new PBS Home page feature that David Pilling has added. Just click on "Bulb Day" and you have a random selection each day of the hundreds of genera found on the PBS Wiki. Today the random selection was Gladiolus carmineus. One of my favorites that has become a reliable source of late summer color in our garden. I think you can use this link too: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/wikifeed/ Bob Bob Rutemoeller brutem@mcn.org From msittner@mcn.org Wed Sep 30 22:57:52 2009 Message-Id: <20091001025751.502304C017@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Amaryllis belladonna and fire Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:57:18 -0700 Hi, It has been a dismal year for the Amaryllis belladonna in my garden. Only two have bloomed. Usually I have a lot more bloom. You may recall in our recent discussion about how to get them to bloom that I wrote that in South Africa they are much more likely to bloom after a fire. Members of this list didn't seem willing to go to those extremes to get them to bloom. Several weeks ago a local restaurant burned to the ground. This restaurant was sited close to a bluff top overlooking the Gualala River and the Pacific Ocean. Below it was a steep slope that was a mixture of mostly non native vegetation (non native grasses, Vinca major, wild radish) although there were some Garryea elliptica (silk tassel bushes/trees) and Baccharis closer to the bottom. The upper part burned with the building taking out for the moment the Vinca. Walking on the bottom of the slope where there is a trail a week plus later we saw something pushing out of the ground on the hillside above in the scorched earth and broken glass. Immediately we figured out it had to be Amaryllis belladonna. We've never seen it there and I'm not sure how it got there since I don't think anyone could have planted it on that steep of a slope. But it is all over the place with more coming up all the time. I took a few pictures for the wiki today, but I couldn't get very close and my zoom lens distorts distances. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Amaryllis Mary Sue PS. So far it seems to be a great start for my Oxalis and Moraea polystachya is in bloom and the first Crocus and Hyacinthoides lingulata. Also a number of Nerine hybrids and species are in bloom and a lot of Cyclamen.