x homoglad (thank you)

Chaker, Anne-Marie Anne-Marie.Chaker@wsj.com
Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:18:01 PST
    Mary Sue et al, thank you for the responses. Mary Sue, yes, I should have added that I'm in Washington, D.C., which right now looks like a giant, melting glacier. So, I guess the idea is to just keep them growing as long as I can, even through a summer dormancy period, and maybe they'll be ready to be planted out into the ground come fall, when the corms are big enough? (sound right?) If so, that doesn't sound too painful.
    And Jim--as you may have gleaned, I am fast becoming a seed kleptomaniac. And: I am a full-on member of PBS. What is this about a PBS seed exchange?? (As if I haven't participated in enough of them this year).
    Matt--thank you for the encouragement. If you're interested, I have extra homoglad seeds (Received from the Hardy Plant Society seedex, the donor is Plant Delight Nurseries) if you would like me to send you a few to try.
    Anne Marie.

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       2. Re: Sarracenia etc. (Jim McKenney)
       3. Re: Sarracenia etc. (Elizabeth Waterman)
       4. Re: Old homestead flower pic (Eugene Zielinski)
       5. Re: Sarracenia etc. (Paul Licht)
       6. x homoglad (Chaker, Anne-Marie)
       7. re Hippy Double Dragon and Zephyranthes K. Jacala Red (Ina)
       8. Re: x homoglad (Mary Sue Ittner)
       9. Re: x homoglad (Matt Mattus)
      10. Re: x homoglad (Pamela Slate)
      11. Was: homoglad now pbs growing bulbs  from seed (James Waddick)
      12. off topic: EPIPHYTES (kevin inkawhich)


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    Message: 1
    Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:34:06 -0800
    From: "Michael Mace" <mikemace@att.net>
    Subject: Re: [pbs] Romulea monadelpha
    To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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    Max wrote:

    >> Romulea monadelpha bloomed for me this weekend...it is the first bulb
    I've ever flowered from seed (from Silverhill, sown 10/07).

    Congratulations!  That's a great feeling of accomplishment, isn't it?


    >> The pictures of this sp. on the wiki are excellent, so I didn't upload
    mine, but you can see them here if so inclined

    They're both excellent pictures.  My two cents: The picture of the flower in
    bud is different enough from the ones on the wiki that I think it's worth
    posting.

    I think you can never have too many pictures of the red Romuleas.


    Mike
    San Jose, CA



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    Message: 2
    Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:04:22 -0500
    From: "Jim McKenney" <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com>
    Subject: Re: [pbs] Sarracenia etc.
    To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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    Wow, it's a small world, Dennis.

    Many years ago, when Meadowview was just beginning to expand its reach
    outside of the immediate Caroline County, Va. area, they started to show up
    at the twice a year plant sales at Green Spring Park (see below) in
    Annandale Virginia, about an hour or two north of their home base. For
    several seasons I bought wonderful pitcher plants from them. Their booth was
    always surrounded by wide-eyed gardeners making a first acquaintance with
    these astonishing plants.

    About their prices: yes, the prices shown are high, but read the fine print:
    if I?m reading this correctly, if you become a sponsor/member of Meadowview,
    you get a 50% discount. Since the membership costs only $25, do the math -
    it's a good deal.

    I?m glad to see that Meadowview has flourished over the years ? I had lost
    track of them.

    The Green Spring phenomenon itself is pretty amazing. The site itself is a
    small former residence with a garden designed by early twentieth century
    designer Beatrix Farrand (it was she who designed the garden for Dumbarton
    Oaks). The Green Spring site has been developed into a suburban show garden,
    handsomely maintained and of interest all year. There is a plant sale there,
    typically twice a year, with vendors who sell an amazing range of plants - a
    range utterly unpredictable from year to year. This plant sale is like
    nothing else of the type I've ever seen, a bazaar-like mix of amateur and
    professional growers offering plants from the most mundane to things of
    extreme rarity. My now fourteen-year-old Welwitschia came from one of the
    Green Spring sales in 1997 as a one year old seedling.

    The sales now don't pack quite the wow factor they did in the early years,
    partly because some of the shakers and movers behind the sales back then
    have moved on. But they are still something to look forward to. And during
    the milder parts of the year, the staff runs a small sale of plants
    propagated from the Green Spring collection.

    BTW Dennis, when you asked  "is it wrong for a vegetarian human to grow
    carnivorous plants?" I'm  inclined to say that it's OK as long as you don't
    eat them for their dead animal content.


    Jim McKenney
    jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com
    Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871? North, 77.09829? West, USDA zone
    7, where the garden is still under a foot and a half of snow.
    My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com/
    BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/

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    Message: 3
    Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:44:57 -0800
    From: Elizabeth Waterman <lizwat@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: [pbs] Sarracenia etc.
    To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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    And there is California Carnivores:  http://www.californiacarnivores.com/

    Dennis Kramb wrote:
    > I just found an amazing catalog of Sarracenias on
    > http://www.pitcherplant.org/
    >
    >


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    Message: 4
    Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:07:23 -0500
    From: "Eugene Zielinski" <eez55@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: [pbs] Old homestead flower pic
    To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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    Hello Justin.
    Your daffodil, with its forward facing tepals, looks like Narcissus
    pseudonarcissus 'Princeps'.  (At least that is how it is identified in
    Bulbs, by Phillips and Rix.  They list N. gayi as a synonym.)  This is a
    fairly common "old homestead" bulb in the Augusta, GA area, and should be
    coming into bloom now.  The tepals on your plant are a bit darker than what
    I usually see.  The cup is yellow while the tepals are pale yellow to cream
    in color.  It is the first trumpet daffodil to bloom here, and for me it is
    one of the many joys of the southern spring.
    (If you can find a copy of The Random House Book of Bulbs by Phillips and
    Rix, by all means get it!)

    Eugene Zielinski
    Augusta, GA
    USA


    > [Original Message]
    > From: Justin Smith
    > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
    > Date: 2/13/2010 9:50:55 PM
    > Subject: [pbs] Old homestead flower pic
    >

    > Hi All,
    > At the old home place down the road from me, where I found the Gladiolus
    dalenii that I posted on flickr. I drove by the place a couple of days ago
    after I got out of the hospital.
    > http://www.flickr.com/photos/oothal/4355303936/
    > This is a pic of a daffodil that was blooming at the same place. I know
    nothing at all about daffodils. There are two other different types of
    bulbs that were in full growth but not yet blooming. I will go back to the
    spot every week or so and see if I can find out what else is growing there.
    >
    > Justin
    > Woodville, TX 8b/9a
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    Message: 5
    Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:11:27 -0800
    From: Paul Licht <plicht@berkeley.edu>
    Subject: Re: [pbs] Sarracenia etc.
    To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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    The UC Botanical Garden has a fantastic collection of these on display
    and we propagate a large variety for sale.

    Paul Licht, Director
    Univ. California Botanical Garden
    200 Centennial Drive
    Berkeley, CA 94720
    (510)-643-8999
    http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu/


    On 2/17/2010 5:44 PM, Elizabeth Waterman wrote:
    > And there is California Carnivores:  http://www.californiacarnivores.com/
    >
    > Dennis Kramb wrote:
    >
    >> I just found an amazing catalog of Sarracenias on
    >> http://www.pitcherplant.org/
    >>
    >>
    >>
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    Message: 6
    Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:12:44 -0500
    From: "Chaker, Anne-Marie" <Anne-Marie.Chaker@wsj.com>
    Subject: [pbs] x homoglad
    To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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        <CE3A7091AD178E47BE54B56E5BCC7276D432E31085@SBKMXSMB07.win.dowjones.net>

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    Hi, I'm a new member and feel a bit bashful asking my first question because you all sound so advanced but here goes. I just received some seeds (from a seed exchange) of something called 'homoglad' which is a sort of cross between Gladiolus tristis and Homoglossum watsonium (if that helps). It is a spring bulb. Now, I've never started a bulb from seed. Is this incredibly, impossibly difficult? I'm starting them under grow-lights, covering the seed lightly using a good seed-starting mix, keeping them moist, etc. I just don't know what to expect-incredibly slow germination? Will it likely take several years to bloom?
    Thanks, and I am impressed with all of your posts. You are a frighteningly hard-core group!
    Best,
    Anne Marie



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    Message: 7
    Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:56:59 +1300
    From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz>
    Subject: [pbs] re Hippy Double Dragon and Zephyranthes K. Jacala Red
    To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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    Is there anyone who has seed of these?  I am having no joy here in New
    Zealand and seed is all I can have.

    Or have any idea where I am likely to find any?

    Please

    Ina


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    Message: 8
    Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:03:40 -0800
    From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
    Subject: Re: [pbs] x homoglad
    To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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    Dear Anne Marie,

    I've grown from seed what was supposed to be
    Gladiolus huttonii and when it bloomed I believed
    was really a mix of hybrid seed of Gladiolus
    huttonii with Gladiolus tristis and who knows
    what generation. Since Gladiolus huttonii was
    once considered Homoglossum before that genus was
    sunk into Gladiolus I think this qualifies as a
    Homoglad. Planted in the late fall they
    germinated in about a month and bloomed the third spring (March, April).

    Gladiolus tristis, G. huttonii, and Gladious
    watsonius are mostly late winter-early spring
    bloomers in the wild. In fact Gladiolus watsonius
    is in bloom now. Generally speaking you start
    seed of winter growers in the fall and summer
    growers in the spring. With winter growing Irids
    that form a corm you want them to grow as long as
    possible before it gets too hot as they generally
    go dormant then and you have a better chance of
    getting them to grow the next year if the corm is
    bigger. Since you have started them now, once
    they come up try to keep them growing as long as
    possible and then let them go dormant when the
    leaves die back and then start watering them in
    the fall. For pictures of the results,  go to this wiki page:
    http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
    and look at the examples under: Gladiolus huttonii ? tristis
    Mike Mace has made a wonderful wiki page with
    many helpful hints on how to grow bulbs:
    http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

    And Nhu has added specific information to the
    Gladiolus wiki page on growing from seed:
    "Growing from seeds is not difficult for species
    in this genus. It is said that South African
    species require temperature under 20C to
    germinate successfully but Bill Richardson found
    that temperature fluctuation from -2C (28F) to
    nearly 20C (68F) during the day does not have a
    huge effect on germination. Since there are
    summer and winter growing species, one must
    choose the right time for planting. Winter
    growing species should be planted in the fall.
    Summer growing species should be sown in the
    spring, and require somewhat warm temperature to
    germinate well. Room temperature (25C/77F) works
    well. Sow the seeds in a well-drained mix and
    slightly cover with the mix. The papery wings
    that surround the seeds do not need to be
    removed. After sowing, place the pots in a tray
    with water and allow the medium to soak
    thoroughly. Above watering can dislodge the seeds
    and cause them to float to the surface. The seeds
    are most viable when planted within 1 year,
    although they can remain viable for longer. Allow
    a dry summer dormancy for the winter growing
    species and a dry winter dormancy for the summer
    growing species. It is probably best to not
    transplant the seedlings until they have
    completed their second season of growth. "

    It would be helpful to know where you live. If
    you live in a cold climate as I suspect there may
    be others in this group who have better advice.

    I hope this helps.

    Mary Sue

    Mary Sue Ittner
    California's North Coast
    Wet mild winters with occasional frost
    Dry mild summers



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    Message: 9
    Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:02:11 -0500
    From: Matt Mattus <mmattus@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: [pbs] x homoglad
    To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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    Hi Anne Marie,
    I am a somewhat experienced bulb grower, but only because I joined pbs.
    Sure, the group sounds informed, and it is, but also the group is very
    friendly so don't hold back from asking.

    Even though I grow many of the bulbs discussed here, I too am sometimes a
    little hessitant to participate in some threads, but once you dive in, it
    really isn't that scary!

    Welcome to the group! And for what it's worth, I still need to attempt
    Glad's and Homoglads from seed, some of us would love to hear about your new
    exciting venture.

    Matt Mattus



    On 2/17/10 11:12 PM, "Chaker, Anne-Marie" <Anne-Marie.Chaker@wsj.com> wrote:

    > Hi, I'm a new member and feel a bit bashful asking my first question because
    > you all sound so advanced but here goes. I just received some seeds (from a
    > seed exchange) of something called 'homoglad' which is a sort of cross between
    > Gladiolus tristis and Homoglossum watsonium (if that helps). It is a spring
    > bulb. Now, I've never started a bulb from seed. Is this incredibly, impossibly
    > difficult? I'm starting them under grow-lights, covering the seed lightly
    > using a good seed-starting mix, keeping them moist, etc. I just don't know
    > what to expect-incredibly slow germination? Will it likely take several years
    > to bloom?
    > Thanks, and I am impressed with all of your posts. You are a frighteningly
    > hard-core group!
    > Best,
    > Anne Marie
    >
    > _______________________________________________
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    Message: 10
    Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:01:31 -0800 (PST)
    From: Pamela Slate <pslate22@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: [pbs] x homoglad
    To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
    Message-ID: <239444.78722.qm@web111919.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1


    ?Pamela Slate
    P.O. Box 5316
    Carefree AZ 85377




    ________________________________
    From: Matt Mattus <mmattus@charter.net>
    To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
    Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 6:02:11 AM
    Subject: Re: [pbs] x homoglad

    Hi Anne Marie,
    I am a somewhat experienced bulb grower, but only because I joined pbs.
    Sure, the group sounds informed, and it is, but also the group is very
    friendly so don't hold back from asking.

    Even though I grow many of the bulbs discussed here, I too am sometimes a
    little hessitant to participate in some threads, but once you dive in, it
    really isn't that scary!

    Welcome to the group! And for what it's worth, I still need to attempt
    Glad's and Homoglads from seed, some of us would love to hear about your new
    exciting venture.

    Matt Mattus



    On 2/17/10 11:12 PM, "Chaker, Anne-Marie" <Anne-Marie.Chaker@wsj.com> wrote:

    > Hi, I'm a new member and feel a bit bashful asking my first question because
    > you all sound so advanced but here goes. I just received some seeds (from a
    > seed exchange) of something called 'homoglad' which is a sort of cross between
    > Gladiolus tristis and Homoglossum watsonium (if that helps). It is a spring
    > bulb. Now, I've never started a bulb from seed. Is this incredibly, impossibly
    > difficult? I'm starting them under grow-lights, covering the seed lightly
    > using a good seed-starting mix, keeping them moist, etc. I just don't know
    > what to expect-incredibly slow germination? Will it likely take several years
    > to bloom?
    > Thanks, and I am impressed with all of your posts. You are a frighteningly
    > hard-core group!
    > Best,
    > Anne Marie
    >
    > _______________________________________________
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    Message: 11
    Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:22:57 -0600
    From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
    Subject: [pbs] Was: homoglad now pbs growing bulbs  from seed
    To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
    Message-ID: <p06240832c7a309b0d197@[192.168.0.101]>
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    >Hi, I'm a new member and feel a bit bashful asking my first question
    >because you all sound so advanced but here goes. I just received
    >some seeds (from a seed exchange) of something called 'homoglad'
    >which is a sort of cross between Gladiolus tristis and Homoglossum
    >watsonium (if that helps). It is a spring bulb. Now, I've never
    >started a bulb from seed. Is this incredibly, impossibly difficult?

    Dear Anne-Marie,
        I  welcome you to PBS, but you've heard a bit from me lately
    so I'll keep this short.

        Growing bulbs from seed can be easy and rewarding or slow and
    painful. Depends on which bulbs and how challenging various aspect
    can be in your situation.

        Glads in general are fairly easy. I've grown dozen of "hardy"
    glads in a tough climate.

        More importantly on the very topic of growing bulbs from
    seeds, go for it. Too few people even try, thinking it might be too
    difficult and take too long. Many are easy to germinate, easy to
    grow, and bloom in a couple years from seed like most any perennial
    and provide you with the joys of accomplishment, lots of new bulbs
    and much, much more. Some are slower, more difficult and can take
    years to bloom. Really not that many.

        Dell Sherk runs the PBS Bulb/Seed Exchange which operates on
    an 'as available' schedule. If you are a fully paid member of PBS
    (which you don't need to be if just an email forum member) you can
    order some amazing seeds and bulbs at a fraction of their commercial
    costs and some are unavailable at almost any cost. Do join up and
    fully participate - seed and bulbs season is coming.

        I know you'll enjoy the group and do not be nervous about any
    of the experts here, I think all the vicious ones have been turned
    away and we have the best of the best and most willing to respond.

        Glad to see you in the group. Most importantly ENJOY            Jim W.
    --
    Dr. James W. Waddick
    8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
    Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
    USA
    Ph.    816-746-1949
    Zone 5 Record low -23F
        Summer 100F +



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    Message: 12
    Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:36:18 -0800
    From: kevin inkawhich <kevin_ink@mac.com>
    Subject: [pbs] off topic: EPIPHYTES
    To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
    Message-ID: <A0B773F3-EB1F-4554-85F1-EC1E2CEA86A2@mac.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

    good morning,

    does anyone know off an organization, as cool the pbs, that freely shares information about epiphytes?

    thanks for your help.


    On Feb 17, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Paul Licht wrote:

    > The UC Botanical Garden has a fantastic collection of these on display
    > and we propagate a large variety for sale.
    >
    > Paul Licht, Director
    > Univ. California Botanical Garden
    > 200 Centennial Drive
    > Berkeley, CA 94720
    > (510)-643-8999
    > http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu/
    >
    >
    > On 2/17/2010 5:44 PM, Elizabeth Waterman wrote:
    >> And there is California Carnivores:  http://www.californiacarnivores.com/
    >>
    >> Dennis Kramb wrote:
    >>
    >>> I just found an amazing catalog of Sarracenias on
    >>> http://www.pitcherplant.org/
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> pbs mailing list
    >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
    >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php
    >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/
    >>
    >>
    > _______________________________________________
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