I agree. Jim, I would separate 'germination' from these terms. T > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:12:28 -0800 > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > From: eciton@alumni.utexas.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Define Epigeal and Hypogeal > > I have always understood the terms to mean above and below ground.