Aaron: What temps did your Zingiber mioga survive in KS? Did you try the variegated forms? I have always felt these were much hardier than our Zone 7 listing. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com/ phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of aaron floden Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:13 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Ginger - Zingiber - also Cautleya Cautleya died here (Knoxville, TN) in my Z 7 the first winter. Several Roscoea are doing well, but they must want richer and moister soil. Hedychium Dr. Moy, greenei, spicatum, coronarium, and another hybrid have done well here and multiplied. H. gardnerianum is hardy, but not worth growing here. Zingiber mioga (the same clone JW has) liked Kansas far better than here. My patch in Kansas has been there for ten years and is a meter or two wide by a meter. This clone is ex DJHC from Japan. Strangely enough, Alpinia zerumbet has wintered for two years as a deciduous plant, thus making it not worth growing. Aaron --- On Thu, 7/1/10, James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> wrote: Never tried Cautleya, but would appreciate experience from other growers. Googling suggests Zone 7 and warmer.