Tony, Z. mioga has taken temps down to at least -15 in the past ten years in Kansas. It is still there and increasing with some vigor. My variegated form is a sport of my green form and is just as hardy, but slightly less vigorous. Jim McK, Alpinia, except the one noted by Tony, need year old shoots to flower. There may be others. Aaron --- On Thu, 7/1/10, Jim McKenney <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com> wrote: From: Jim McKenney <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Ginger - Zingiber - also Cautleya To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 11:29 PM Aaron, when you write " Strangely enough, Alpinia zerumbet has wintered for two years as a deciduous plant, thus making it not worth growing." Does that mean that the sprouts have to be more than one season old to bloom (I have not grown this plant so I don't know its habits)? Kaempferia rotunda survived near a wall here for years, but I don’t think it ever bloomed. Hedychium coronarium can be grown as a garden plant here, too. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where the temperature this morning was 40 degrees F lower than recent daytime highs (we've already topped 100). My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com/ BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org/ Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org/