Species of hybrid origin -"amateur" treatment and taxonomy

Mark Brown brown.mark@wanadoo.fr
Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:14:54 PDT
Le 16/06/2010 02:29, Adam Fikso a écrit :
> Yes, Jim..  But how is the average gardener to determine the level of
> discourse and sophistication needed to address these matters?  How is one to
> assess the level of information required to understand.  This gap is not
> just in this forum but nationwide--affecting politics--0ur national destiny,
> the BP oil spill, and the entire world.  The problem was noted by Snow more
> than 50 years ago, and hasn't lessened.  It's not just that a botanist can't
> understand an astrophysicist or a geneticist talking to an oil geologist or
> a molecular chemist talking to and understanding  a materials engineer.  (Or
> me talking to my  adult children/kids) The word meanings of the most
> ordinary words aren't ordinary any more. And we haven't even gotten into why
> a hybrid swarm of plants  should appear to be more or less identical even in
> the F2 generation.
> Is anyone brave anough to address this? Or would it be considered off
> topic? -- , i.e.,to talk about what we're talking about -- or trying to
> establish definitions?   It might be useful.  This is not "mere"  political
> correctness within even the  narrow range of topics discussed here-- to be
> summarily dismissed because it's "mere".  I hear a desire for information
> here from some participants in this forum.  Shall it be addressed?  and How?
> Outsource these folks to a college level course?  A high school level
> course?  Maybe.  Dunno.
> Jim.  It bothers me too.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Waddick"<jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
> To: "Pacific Bulb Society"<pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:37 PM
> Subject: [pbs] Species of hybrid origin - treatment
>> Dear Friends,
>> Although I have vaguely followed the discussion, there is an
>> air of blind leading blind.
>> The range of variation from a hybrid cultivar to a valid
>> species of hybrid origin is the topic of long weeks of discussion in
>> any college taxonomy course.  Not for twitter replies.
>> I suggest that if anyone is seriously interested, to look at
>> the appropriate heading in "International Code of Botanical
>> Nomenclature"   or "International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated
>> Plants". Versions of both are available on line, although not the
>> newest of either. A similar code is available for Zoological
>> Nomenclature.
>> There are numerous validly described and named species that
>> are now known to be of natural hybrid origin. Jane McGary mentions a
>> small fraction. Each case is the result of careful consideration.
>> I don't even know where to start here, but do read something
>> relatively factual instead of making guesses and going off on
>> tangents.
>> Best Jim W.
>> -- 
>> Dr. James W. Waddick
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Dear All,
I am reminded by the famous remark of the english comedien Kenneth 
Williams to the effect that society is becoming a school of specialists.
Everybody is becoming better and better at less and less.Soon everyone 
will be brilliant at nothing at all.
And does anyone know of a truely cleistogamous geophyte?
I think that in the age of internet anyone who truely wants to know can 
usually find out what they want.
There are many great sites that universities and passionate laymen put 
I really beleive in amateurs and the contribution they can make to science.
Just think of ornithology and botany in the UK!
Where would the scientists be without all the amateurs doing all that 
field work?
Here in my region we have no such great wealth to draw on and the 
professional botanists bemoan that fact and envy the British.
Do not knock amateurs ever please,you don't know what you got til it's 
gone as a certain song goes.
I admire forums like this and all the amateur passion and wealth that it 
Vive l'amateur!

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