Jim Waddick wrote: Cleistogamy: The production of flowers that do not open to > expose the reproductive organs, so preventing cross pollination. > > as opposed to > > Apomixis Asexual reproduction in plants without fertilization > or meiosis. > > Both topics are quite different and as they relate to bulbs > are worthy of discussion. > > > Finally, I can't recall such a situation in bulbous plants > off hand, but I haven't really thought about much. Hardly worth a > reply. > I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but some examples might help less experienced readers: Lilium regale, the Regal lily, was for years regarded as apomictic, as seedlings from it always resembled the mother, regardless of what pollen was placed on the stigma. Hybrids were obtained from it by using the pollen from L. regale on other lilies--which wasn't very hard, as it flowers early in the lily season and pollen could be gathered and stored for use on later flowering lilies. Whether or not this was an example of true apomixis was the subject of discussion and I'm not sure what the final decision was--if there was one. In Scott Ogden's Book "Garden Bulbs for the South", page 16, he states "The abundant seed of Zephranthes citrina invariably comes true to its golden mother", and "due to what botanists call parthenogenesis". In the next paragraph [referring to Z 'Ajax'] he states "It's likely that Z. candida was the seed parent, or "mother" of this hybrid", and "for parthenogenesis would otherwise have blocked the cross." So, these terms do have relevance to bubs, and/or the production of hybrids of bulbs. Ken