The current Veranda magazine has an article (and wonderful photos) of several Frittilarias. Check it out. I was in awe of the opening photo of the green ones. On Wed Mar 10th, 2010 11:32 PM PST pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: >Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > >List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Urceolina (Alberto Castillo) > 2. Bulbocodium vernum (Judy Glattstein) > 3. Re: Iris lazica x I. unguicularis (David Nicholson) > 4. Re: Bulbocodium vernum (Alberto Castillo) > 5. Narcissus miniatus (iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org) > 6. Re: Bulbocodium vernum (gentiaan bulborum) > 7. Re: Pancratium maritimum (Leo A. Martin) > 8. Re: Narcissus miniatus (Harold Koopowitz) > 9. Re: Iris lazica x I. unguicularis (Adam Fikso) > 10. Re: Iris lazica x I. unguicularis (Adam Fikso) > 11. Iris cretensis (James Waddick) > 12. Re: Pancratium maritimum (gentiaan bulborum) > 13. Re: Narcissus miniatus (gentiaan bulborum) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:23:19 +0000 >From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Urceolina >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: <BLU104-W219FE4955B2CB29896D7B0AE330@phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Will have after flowering. Dry winter dormant. > > >"It does not have any leaves at this point." > >_________________________________________________________________ >Mir? tus emails ?cuando te llegan! Hotmail actualiza tu bandeja de entrada autom?ticamente. Ver m?s >http://descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/… > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:43:55 -0500 >From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> >Subject: [pbs] Bulbocodium vernum >To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >Message-ID: <4B97E86B.6060800@gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >I've had this in my garden for more than a decade. Not as quick to make >offsets as some colchicums but over time does make a few. Planted >towards the bottom of a less than full sun slope with rather clay-ey >soil. Charming little harbinger of Spring. > >Earlier names were Colchicum bulbocodium and Colchicum vernum > >Does not this mean it was first included in colchicum, then split off, >and is now coming "home" again. Anyone who has looked at its little >underground bulbs can clearly see a similarity to those of colchicum. Is >there anything else that looks even somewhat the same? > >Judy in overcast New jersey where any arriving precipitation will be rain > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:31:22 -0000 >From: "David Nicholson" <d.avensis@virgin.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris lazica x I. unguicularis >To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: <4A78D7CC23604E7A95AE1D4194872185@Auricula> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Although I'm further south and west than Brian, and nearer the coast, my >Iris lazica is in flower as it will be, hopefully, on and off until June/ >July. Having said that my Iris unguicularis didn't flower at all this year >(possibly because our summer last year was one of the wettest and dullest on >record. Winter here has been a long one (and possibly hasn't finished yet). > >My Narcissus 'February Gold', which normally flowers in the month true to >it's name, has only just budded and might well be beaten to the finishing >line by N. 'Topolino'. > >I had a beautiful Iris graeberiana in full and majestic flower last year by >the end of March but this year is showing only a couple of inches of growth. > >David Nicholson >in Devon, UK. Zone 9b (normally!!) > > >>> There is no simple answer to this question, other than it depends on the >>> weather. I have some lazica (of both species actually) at home now that >>> has not yet tried to flower, so hopefully will later this month or >>> next..........<< > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:59:13 +0000 >From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbocodium vernum >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: <BLU104-W1BC86585AD043CE00EC6CAE330@phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > >> Does not this mean it was first included in colchicum, then split off, >> and is now coming "home" again. Anyone who has looked at its little >> underground bulbs can clearly see a similarity to those of colchicum. Is >> there anything else that looks even somewhat the same? > > > > > > >Merenderas do. > >_________________________________________________________________ >?Cu?nto espacio necesit?s para guardar tus emails? Con Hotmail ten?s 5GB y puede ampliarse a m?s. >http://descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/… > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:45:07 -0000 >From: "iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org" > <info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org> >Subject: [pbs] Narcissus miniatus >To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: <67E6B0B901D94B52B77B1691C04CB484@homepc> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I hope the following helps; > >Narcissus minatus. Donn.-Morg., Koop. & Zoom (No valid publication date) > >Holotype HNT >Collector ID Ref. HK11006 >Locality: Spain, Cadiz, Los Barrios. > >Ref. Daffodil and Tulip Year Book 2005-2006: 22: (19-25); Illustrations (1-3) > >NB. In the apparent absence of a valid publication citation and publication date this taxon's name may be treated as nom illigit. > >Knowing roughly this region it would be safe to assume that it is probably not hardy to any level of frost unless when resting underground and then only very modest low temperatures. Soil type as to probable pH etc not mentioned. >Regards, Iain > > > >-- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >SPAMfighter has removed 139717 of my spam emails to date. >Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len/ > >The Professional version does not have this message > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:07:39 +0100 >From: gentiaan bulborum <bulborum@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbocodium vernum >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: > <754dfd351003101407v38942b91gee851391df337b6@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Merenderas do. > >but the 6 petals are cut in to the bulb-base > >Roland >bulborum@gmail.com > >2010/3/10 Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> > >> >> >> >> >> > Does not this mean it was first included in colchicum, then split off, >> > and is now coming "home" again. Anyone who has looked at its little >> > underground bulbs can clearly see a similarity to those of colchicum. Is >> > there anything else that looks even somewhat the same? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Merenderas do. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> ?Cu?nto espacio necesit?s para guardar tus emails? Con Hotmail ten?s 5GB y >> puede ampliarse a m?s. >> http://descubrewindowslive.com/hotmail/… >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:33:25 -0800 (PST) >From: "Leo A. Martin" <leo@possi.org> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Pancratium maritimum >To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >Message-ID: <4aa1c7970918e6321239779461307299.squirrel@http://www.possi.org/> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >I have 5 seedlings from bulb exchange seed. The seeds were strange black >things like shiny hats, very 3-dimensional and not flat like some >amaryllids. They're at least 5 years old and don't grow much. They >tolerate our winters just fine (minimums have been -8C / 15F) I bring the >pot into the house in the summer and keep it dry. I move the pot outside >and keep it moist for the winter. > >Should I be fertilizing them much? I haven't. > >This year the leaves that emerged were smaller than last years', but maybe >that is because I was late getting them out. Each plant makes only one >leaf each year. > >Leo Martin >Phoenix Arizona USA > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:52:23 -0800 >From: Harold Koopowitz <paph2@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus miniatus >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: <E1NpVhT-00054N-4L@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >If you look at the inside page of the 2005-2006 yearbook you will see >it was published in 2005. >Harold Koopowitz > >At 01:45 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: >>I hope the following helps; >> >>Narcissus minatus. Donn.-Morg., Koop. & Zoom (No valid publication date) >> >>Holotype HNT >>Collector ID Ref. HK11006 >>Locality: Spain, Cadiz, Los Barrios. >> >>Ref. Daffodil and Tulip Year Book 2005-2006: 22: (19-25); Illustrations (1-3) >> >>NB. In the apparent absence of a valid publication citation and >>publication date this taxon's name may be treated as nom illigit. >> >>Knowing roughly this region it would be safe to assume that it is >>probably not hardy to any level of frost unless when resting >>underground and then only very modest low temperatures. Soil type as >>to probable pH etc not mentioned. >>Regards, Iain >> >> >> >>-- >>I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >>SPAMfighter has removed 139717 of my spam emails to date. >>Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len/ >> >>The Professional version does not have this message >>_______________________________________________ >>pbs mailing list >>pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:08:31 -0600 >From: "Adam Fikso" <adam14113@ameritech.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris lazica x I. unguicularis >To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: <92AA439CB8754D0BA449F91BAB6BFDE8@FAMILY> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >These two irises are probably incompatible for any crossing. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim McKenney" <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com> >To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:26 PM >Subject: [pbs] Iris lazica x I. unguicularis > > >OK, I done the deed: Iris lazica was pollinated yesterday with pollen from >I. unguicularis. The reverse cross was not made because the flower of I. >unguicularis seemed to be past using for that purpose. > > > >It occurred to me the other day that Iris unguicularis is virtually unique >among the irises I know for its prolonged season of bloom. Here flowers >appear over a five month period: does any other iris come even close? >Imagine a hardy garden iris with a five month season of bloom! Has anyone >ever attempted crosses of I. unguicularis with bearded irises? Imagine a >bearded iris which continually put up flowers over a five month period. >Those genes for prolonged blooming should not go to waste! > > > >Does Iris lazica bloom over an extended season, or do the flowers come >mostly at once? The first two flowers to appear are fully formed now, and I >see more buds pushing up. Can anyone give me an idea how long this will >continue? > > > > > >Jim McKenney > >jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com > >Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871? North, 77.09829? West, USDA zone >7 > >My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com/ > >BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ > > > >Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS > >Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org/ > > > >Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:18:19 -0600 >From: "Adam Fikso" <adam14113@ameritech.net> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris lazica x I. unguicularis >To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: <991774051C0A4D6DA4070989632F3412@FAMILY> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >These two irises are most unlikely to yield any seed whatsoever. The >chromosome numbers are really incompatible. I. lazica has a 2n = 32. but >could be a tetraploid and unguicularis has a 2n of 40 or 50. I can't >imagine quite how a matchup could occur, Really odd linkages and matches >occur in some plant groups but I've not known this to occur in irises > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim McKenney" <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com> >To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:26 PM >Subject: [pbs] Iris lazica x I. unguicularis > > >OK, I done the deed: Iris lazica was pollinated yesterday with pollen from >I. unguicularis. The reverse cross was not made because the flower of I. >unguicularis seemed to be past using for that purpose. > > > >It occurred to me the other day that Iris unguicularis is virtually unique >among the irises I know for its prolonged season of bloom. Here flowers >appear over a five month period: does any other iris come even close? >Imagine a hardy garden iris with a five month season of bloom! Has anyone >ever attempted crosses of I. unguicularis with bearded irises? Imagine a >bearded iris which continually put up flowers over a five month period. >Those genes for prolonged blooming should not go to waste! > > > >Does Iris lazica bloom over an extended season, or do the flowers come >mostly at once? The first two flowers to appear are fully formed now, and I >see more buds pushing up. Can anyone give me an idea how long this will >continue? > > > > > >Jim McKenney > >jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com > >Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871? North, 77.09829? West, USDA zone >7 > >My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com/ > >BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ > > > >Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS > >Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org/ > > > >Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 11 >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:47:55 -0600 >From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> >Subject: [pbs] Iris cretensis >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: <p0624084bc7be339e4104@[192.168.0.101]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Friends, > > No mention has been made of Iris cretensis. This is closer to >I unguiculares, but has very fine foliage. Both species occur in some >of the same locations such as Crete. So if anyone is travelling there >(Tom !) it might be very interesting to look out for possible natural >hybrids. I. lazica has a disjunct distribution from I unguiculares. > > I don't grow this, but it is said to be as hardy/tender as >unguiculares. > > Best Jim W. >-- >Dr. James W. Waddick >8871 NW Brostrom Rd. >Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 >USA >Ph. 816-746-1949 >Zone 5 Record low -23F > Summer 100F + > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:17:29 +0100 >From: gentiaan bulborum <bulborum@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Pancratium maritimum >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: > <754dfd351003102317q6e78e1e3paf74e8c6605222b@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hallo Leo > >Don't let it dry out completely roots should not dry out >sun-baked in summer >and feed normal it takes 6/7 years for flowering >but in not optimal conditions it can be 10 years > >Roland >bulborum@gmail.com > >2010/3/11 Leo A. Martin <leo@possi.org> > >> I have 5 seedlings from bulb exchange seed. The seeds were strange black >> things like shiny hats, very 3-dimensional and not flat like some >> amaryllids. They're at least 5 years old and don't grow much. They >> tolerate our winters just fine (minimums have been -8C / 15F) I bring the >> pot into the house in the summer and keep it dry. I move the pot outside >> and keep it moist for the winter. >> >> Should I be fertilizing them much? I haven't. >> >> This year the leaves that emerged were smaller than last years', but maybe >> that is because I was late getting them out. Each plant makes only one >> leaf each year. >> >> Leo Martin >> Phoenix Arizona USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:32:55 +0100 >From: gentiaan bulborum <bulborum@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus miniatus >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Message-ID: > <754dfd351003102332x7e1d0e9cl1cb170cd5596a8c8@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Thanks Iain and Harold >Yes it a very helpful description >I will look this autumn if not some of my collections >are N.miniatus > >Roland >bulborum@gmail.com > >2010/3/11 Harold Koopowitz <paph2@earthlink.net> > >> If you look at the inside page of the 2005-2006 yearbook you will see >> it was published in 2005. >> Harold Koopowitz >> >> At 01:45 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: >> >I hope the following helps; >> > >> >Narcissus minatus. Donn.-Morg., Koop. & Zoom (No valid publication date) >> > >> >Holotype HNT >> >Collector ID Ref. HK11006 >> >Locality: Spain, Cadiz, Los Barrios. >> > >> >Ref. Daffodil and Tulip Year Book 2005-2006: 22: (19-25); Illustrations >> (1-3) >> > >> >NB. In the apparent absence of a valid publication citation and >> >publication date this taxon's name may be treated as nom illigit. >> > >> >Knowing roughly this region it would be safe to assume that it is >> >probably not hardy to any level of frost unless when resting >> >underground and then only very modest low temperatures. Soil type as >> >to probable pH etc not mentioned. >> >Regards, Iain >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> >We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >> >SPAMfighter has removed 139717 of my spam emails to date. >> >Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len/ >> > >> >The Professional version does not have this message >> >_______________________________________________ >> >pbs mailing list >> >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > >End of pbs Digest, Vol 86, Issue 20 >*********************************** >