pbs Digest, Vol 94, Issue 5

iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org
Wed, 03 Nov 2010 14:58:26 PDT
Iris x dardanus.

Considerable thanks to everyone who took the trouble to shine a bright light 
onto my ignorance. My assumption as to nomenclature was based on the absence 
of the convention for cultivar names i.e. presentation as I. 'Dardanus' 
missing from the initial query and kindly pointed out by David Victor & 
Robert Pries, to whom specifically, given that we have both putative parents 
here maybe I could take a punt at crossing them in both directions and see 
what they look like, although maintaining horticultural hybrids here isn't 
something I would normally consider but my nose is now bothering me; all I 
need to do next year is to try to remember to attempt it, an unreliable 
memory might conspire against the venture, one wonders of course whether 
respective flowering is synchronous in both taxa, otherwise such a project 
would take an extra season presumably.

Once again, many thanks to everyone. Iain

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>   1. Re: Iris x dardanus (totototo@telus.net)
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>   3. Iris 'Dardanus' (James Waddick)
>   4. Re: Iris x dardanus (Adam Fikso)
>   5. A few nerines (AW)
>   6. Re: A few nerines (bulborum botanicum)
>   7. Re: Iris "dardanus" (David Victor)
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> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:50:55 -0700
> From: totototo@telus.net
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris x dardanus
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> On 2 Nov 2010, at 12:12, iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org wrote:
>
>> It does not appear that either the name Iris dardanus or Iris x dardanus 
>> has
>> been validly published in any of the International standard works, e.g. 
>> IPNI
>> nor can I find it in Innes' standard reference work.
>
> "Dardanus" sure sounds like a cultivar name to me. Keep in mind that 
> before L.
> H. Bailey coined the word & concept "cultivar", cultivated plants were 
> usually
> referred to as "varieties". Moreover, Latinate cultivar names created 
> before a
> cutoff date (in the 1950s if my fallible memory still functions) are 
> valid,
> though they would not be valid if created today.
>
>
> -- 
> Rodger Whitlock
> Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:50:55 -0700
> From: totototo@telus.net
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Banana leaf canna nomenclature question
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> On 2 Nov 2010, at 11:48, christopherwhitehouse@rhs.org.uk wrote:
>
>> A name either has a description, in which case it is validly published, 
>> or it
>> does not.
>
> Isn't there a provision that old epithets are considered "described" if 
> they
> refer to a good illustration or a pre-Linnean verbal description?
>
> My memory of this may be wrong, but I recall it as a way of dealing with
> epithets published post-Linnaeus but before the ICBN had come into being 
> with
> its many strictures.
>
>
> -- 
> Rodger Whitlock
> Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:03:47 -0500
> From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [pbs] Iris 'Dardanus'
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> Friends:
>
> Iris 'Daranus' Van Tubergen,  an undated hybrid between I.
> korolkowii ( Section Regelia) x I. iberica (Section Oncocyclus).
> The Van Tubergen Nursery Ltd, and Zwanenberg Nurseries in
> Haarlem, Holland. specialized in Regeliocyclus hybrid iris and
> introduced dozen of still popular cultivars.  Most of these date to
> the  period from 1900-1920.
>
> This courtesy of the American Iris Society/ SIGNA cultivar
> checklist and Bob Pries.
>
> Best Jim W.
>
> ps Cultivation info on the web site of the "Aril Society International"
> -- 
> Dr. James W. Waddick
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> USA
> Ph.    816-746-1949
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> Summer 100F +
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> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:03:21 -0500
> From: "Adam Fikso" <adam14113@ameritech.net>
> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris x dardanus
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> "Dardanus' is a cultivar; a regeliocyclus, probably I. korolkowi x 
> I.iberica
> or its reciprocal.  and not the original clone but a remade cross 
> reselected
> selected. . .  I'd have to check--my memory isn't always right.
>
>
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>> On 2 Nov 2010, at 12:12, iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org wrote:
>>
>>> It does not appear that either the name Iris dardanus or Iris x dardanus
>>> has
>>> been validly published in any of the International standard works, e.g.
>>> IPNI
>>> nor can I find it in Innes' standard reference work.
>>
>> "Dardanus" sure sounds like a cultivar name to me. Keep in mind that
>> before L.
>> H. Bailey coined the word & concept "cultivar", cultivated plants were
>> usually
>> referred to as "varieties". Moreover, Latinate cultivar names created
>> before a
>> cutoff date (in the 1950s if my fallible memory still functions) are
>> valid,
>> though they would not be valid if created today.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Rodger Whitlock
>> Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:06:39 -0700
> From: "AW" <awilson@avonia.com>
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> Subject: [pbs] A few nerines
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> Even though they are a month late here are a few (4) nerines today. The 
> rain
> helped. Have others on the Pacific coast seen this tardiness?
> Many more to bloom - but, don't worry, I am not posting them!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/
>
> Andrew Wilson
> San Diego
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> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:01:37 +0100
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> Hello Andrew
>
> nice nerines but they just have numbers
> do you have some names
> and what is
> IMG_3829_1Roland
>
>
>
> 2010/11/3 AW <awilson@avonia.com>
>
>> Even though they are a month late here are a few (4) nerines today. The
>> rain
>> helped. Have others on the Pacific coast seen this tardiness?
>> Many more to bloom - but, don't worry, I am not posting them!
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/
>>
>> Andrew Wilson
>> San Diego
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> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 09:07:38 +0000
> From: David Victor <davidxvictor@btinternet.com>
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> Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris "dardanus"
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> Iain,
>
> I think that the reason you can't find this taxon is because you are
> looking for a botanical epithet, whereas it is a cultivar name for a
> hybrid e.g. I. 'Dardanus'.  These aren't listed on IPNI or the Kew
> Database of Monocots.
>
>
> Best regards,
> David Victor
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris "dardanus"
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> Iain; You can find Dardanus in the Iris Encyclopedia that is under 
> construction available on the American Iris Society website. Unfortunately 
> no one has added a picture yet but by poking around with the various liks 
> you can see its parents and similar hybrids. It appears that Dardanus was 
> never properly registered but the website is attempting to show all irises 
> that have appeared in the literature or trade. If you get a picture you 
> may add it to the listing. Slowly we are asking many iris taxonomists and 
> fanciers to contribute but we only have 27,000 of the approximately 80,000 
> listed and only about 20,000 photos. We welcome anyone who can contribute 
> their knowledge and photos, since it is a wiki being built by the world's 
> irisarians. It is free to all. Actually it is progressing rapidly for only 
> a 10 month old baby.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Victor" <davidxvictor@btinternet.com>
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> Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris "dardanus"
>
> Iain,
>
> I think that the reason you can't find this taxon is because you are
> looking for a botanical epithet, whereas it is a cultivar name for a
> hybrid e.g. I. 'Dardanus'.  These aren't listed on IPNI or the Kew
> Database of Monocots.
>
>
> Best regards,
> David Victor
>
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