Reflectix and oncocylus notes

Adam Fikso adam14113@ameritech.net
Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:11:19 PST
Corrrection and warning. I can't say that I can grow any of them reliably 
here.  If you like them it's much better to try arilbreds first (hybrids wth 
tall bearded and regelia species--some very complex now with 50 years of 
breeding behind them.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. C. Andrews" <pcamusa@hotmail.com>
To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix and oncocylus notes


>
> Adam,
> That is interesting, thanks for the references.  I would like to say that 
> my choice of bed location was based on my deep knowledge of bulb and 
> succulent culture, but its the only viable place close to the house 
> foundation.  I got lucky.  I had been concerned about the lack of late 
> afternoon sun, but it seems to be fine for most agaves, cacti, and lilies 
> but not so great for a few of the south african succulents that appear to 
> need more sun.  The site has worked so well that I kept expanding it and 
> its now at the practical size limit.  I would have to cut down a couple of 
> the evil black walnuts to expand further.
> I have not tried oncocyclus yet but if you can grow them in Illinois, its 
> worth a try here.
> Regards,
> Phil
> SE Michigan where the garden stores are out of most supplies as if no one 
> gardens in November.....
>
>
>
>> From: adam14113@ameritech.net
>> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:03:46 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix  and oncocylus notes
>>
>> Hi.  Southeast is interesting because that's the exposure noted by
>> Werckmeister and somebody else (Mouterde?) in an early paper for plants 
>> in
>> Syria.   Probably morning sun and only light from later when the sun's
>> really hot in  summer. .
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "P. C. Andrews" <pcamusa@hotmail.com>
>> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hi Adam- There is not a huge lake effect here but the winters don't 
>> > seem
>> > any worse than mid-Indiana.  The bed has a very minimal slope to the
>> > southeast but is against the foundation which offers some protection 
>> > and
>> > it has a thick layer of sand for drainage (with a gravel drainage 
>> > channel
>> > at the drip edge).  I have a gradient of plants from the foundation
>> > outwards graded by cold and moisture sensitivity (mostly by trial and
>> > error).
>> > Regards,
>> > Phil
>> >
>> >> From: adam14113@ameritech.net
>> >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
>> >> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:16:56 -0600
>> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >>
>> >> Phil?  Your climate is much like mine in Glenview,IL  Maybe a tad 
>> >> warmer
>> >> due
>> >> to lake effect and prevaiing winds.  Does your soil slope to the SW?.
>> >> Better if it does for combined effects of drainage, wind direction, 
>> >> etc.
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "P. C. Andrews" <pcamusa@hotmail.com>
>> >> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:21 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi All- Thanks for all your comments.  In my case I have the sand 
>> >> > bed
>> >> > and
>> >> > the stone mulch bone dry when I cover it so I am not particularly
>> >> > concerned about rot.  In fact, dryness seems to be as important as
>> >> > insulation.  My major concern is keeping snow melt out of the soil 
>> >> > with
>> >> > the consequent freeze damage in the next temperature drop.
>> >> > So I went ahead and picked up a couple of rolls tonight and I'll 
>> >> > report
>> >> > on
>> >> > performance some time in April.
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Phil
>> >> > Southern (tropical) Michigan, zone 5ish.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> From: adam14113@ameritech.net
>> >> >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
>> >> >> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:55:04 -0600
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hello Santoury in Mass.  In was talking about growing oncocyclus
>> >> >> species
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> hybrids.  (very touchy) as examples of touchy geophytes.  the idea 
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> the method might be extended to others needing to be protected.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sounds as if you missed a posting.   Regards, Adam
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> From: <santoury@aol.com>
>> >> >> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:07 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I thought we were talking about bubble wrap? Isn't that plastic?
>> >> >> > Pardon
>> >> >> > if
>> >> >> > I misunderstood.
>> >> >> > The moisture from the rotting leaves is what causes the root rot
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > kills them.
>> >> >> > Sand actually probably may be part of the problem, since sand is
>> >> >> > very
>> >> >> > compressed, and does not allow for any air circulation.
>> >> >> > Maybe it would be helpful to know what kind of plants you're 
>> >> >> > talking
>> >> >> > about.
>> >> >> > Massachusetts is probably much milder, but it's also very wet in
>> >> >> > winter.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't cover the plants  wet.  Also, the fact that the styrofoam
>> >> >> > panels
>> >> >> > are flat allows air circulation under it.  Also each plant is
>> >> >> > covered
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > 2-4" of dry sand..  Massachusetts winters can't be harsher than
>> >> >> > Chicago
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > terms of degrees below zero
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <santoury@aol.com>
>> >> >> > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> >> >> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:21 PM
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>I did not see the original post - but plastic will rot anything
>> >> >> >>under
>> >> >> >>it.
>> >> >> >> >People here in Mass. cover lawns with plastic, or even tarps, 
>> >> >> >> >in
>> >> >> >> >order to
>> >> >> >> >kill grass, and everything else, to re-seed.
>> >> >> >> People here use HAY for protection in winter. It would also be a
>> >> >> >> much
>> >> >> >>  >
>> >> >> >> better insulator than a sheet of plastic.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- 
>> >> >> >> From: Jtlehmann@aol.com
>> >> >> >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
>> >> >> >> Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2010 2:25 pm
>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I realize the interest is covering the entire bed, and not
>> >> >> >> individual
>> >> >> >> plants, but as a word of caution:  I have known people who used
>> >> >> >> regular >
>> >> >> >> bubble
>> >> >> >> wrap to protect individual tender plants without success; I know 
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> no
>> >> >> >>  >
>> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> who has used it with success.  The plants rot over the winter.
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