Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis

dave s
Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:59:54 PDT
Aaron - the markings of "typical" cultivated L. socialis and those of L.
socialis "Miner" make for an interesting comparison with those of
paucifolia, yes?

- Dave

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM, dave s <> wrote:

> None of the paucifolia I've seen resemble the pics on the cactus-biz site.
> An additional feature of paucifolia, IME, that hasn't been mentioned so far
> is that while the leaves are green above and below, the bulbs themselves DO
> show a purple color; it isn't simply an un-pigmented L. socialis "violacea."
> On the other hand, the pics on the cactus-biz site do seem to be
> un-pigmented specimens of the classic houseplant.
> - Dave
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:16 AM, aaron floden <>wrote:
>>  It would seem the combination Ledebouria paucifolia has never been made
>> even though Baker described these new Scilla as "Scilla [Ledebouria] spp",
>> knowing that they all fit within the Ledebouria section of Scilla at the
>> time (1875).
>>  I also meant to mention that the type of Scilla paucifolia is clearly the
>> more ovate leaved L. socialis in cultivation, but it is not clear if it is
>> distinctly different.
>>  Aaron
>> --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Nhu Nguyen <> wrote:
>> From: Nhu Nguyen <>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis
>> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <>
>> Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 7:36 AM
>> Hi everyone,
>> There is certainly much confusion with this plant. I just made a quick
>> Google search and found a plant that has beautiful leaves and flowers that
>> look exactly like what we have come to know as L. socialis *except* that
>> it
>> lacks any purple coloring. Take a look at the link below and you can
>> perhaps
>> see into the past where Baker studied a plant similar to this one. So with
>> that, I think the synonomy of this particular plant and L. socialis is
>> pretty certain.
>> However, most of the plants out there, including Jude's plant do not have
>> leaves that look like this at all. They are ovate and have faint minute
>> markings. They a much slower growing plant as well, despite the ability to
>> produce lots of offsets. I remember when I broke a leaf on my plant. It
>> took
>> months before the leaf was replaced. However, all of this does not mean
>> that
>> it can't just be another form of L. socialis.
>> The Ledebouria-Scilla-Resnova-Drimiopsis group is a big mess and until
>> someone works out the details, we will have to try and stick to the most
>> correct name we know of. Both of the names "L. pauciflora" AND "L.
>> paucifolia" are applied to this plant when doing a web search. The problem
>> is that both of these names are not valid under any plant list, even the
>> most comprehensive of them: A Google search
>> for L. pauciflora brings up 14,500 hits whereas L. paucifolia only brings
>> up
>> 2,640 hits. The entry on the PBS wiki is meant to catch the most searches.
>> There is no synonym on the page so I'll add it to that page.
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