Are Snowdrops Thermogenic?

Carolyn Walker carolynsshadegardens@verizon.net
Wed, 09 Feb 2011 08:57:50 PST
David, You are so nice to follow up on my question.  I do believe that
snowdrops may very well not be thermogenic even though conventional wisdom
says they are.  However, I think you would need to test the buds as they
come through the snow or are just opening.  In thermogenic plants, if the
open flower has been pollinated, it turns off its heat.  It also turns off
its heat when it judges that the ambient temperature is high enough for its
purposes.  It would have to be pretty cold outside to insure that the heat
was on.  Thermogenic flowers have developed some very tricky evolutionary
tactics.  I wrote a short article on this, noting that I had posed the
question to this forum: http://carolynsshadegardens.com/.  I very much
appreciate everyone's help.  Carolyn

Carolyn Walker
Carolyn's Shade Gardens
http://www.carolynsshadegardens.com/ 
carolynsshadegardens@verizon.net
325 S Roberts Rd
Bryn Mawr, PA  19010
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   1. Re: Allium - UPDATE (santoury@aol.com)
   2. Re: Allium - UPDATE (bulborum botanicum)
   3. Re: Unknown Allium (Roy Herold)
   4. Re: Allium - UPDATE (bulborum botanicum)
   5.  Unknown Allium (Mark McDonough)
   6. Re: Zephyranthes Sources (Alberto Castillo)
   7. Thermogenesis in Amorphophallus (Mary Sue Ittner)
   8. Re: Are Snowdrops Thermogenic? (David Pilling)
   9. Re: Unknown Allium (J. Agoston)
  10. Re: Allium - UPDATE (santoury@aol.com)
  11. Re: Allium - UPDATE (bulborum botanicum)
  12. Please help with Hippeastrum ID (Pham Minh Phuong)
  13. Re: Please help with Hippeastrum ID (Del Allegood)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 16:49:46 -0500
From: santoury@aol.com
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE
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Hey buddy
That's a new website for me! I'd appreciate if you could check there for me.

Best, Jude


 

 


 

 

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If there is somebody who knows the answer it must be the onion man

If you are member from the SRGS ask him

otherwise I will ask it for you



http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5766.0



Roland



2011/2/8  <santoury@aol.com>:

> PS - I forgot to mention, I can no longer find that single reference,
which is 

why I'm on here asking!

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 23:03:57 +0100
From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE
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I asked it for you
I let you know if Mark answers

Roland



2011/2/8  <santoury@aol.com>:
> Hey buddy
> That's a new website for me! I'd appreciate if you could check there for
me.
> Best, Jude


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:10:20 -0500
From: Roy Herold <rherold@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Unknown Allium
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Probably Allium togasii. I grow it--very hardy, seeds around, not 
terribly distinguished. Mine originally came from the the Onion Man's 
G.A.R.L.I.C (Growing Allium and Related Liliaciae In Cultivation??) 
society seed exchange, many years ago.

See

<http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…>

for more information. I see that Onion Man Mark calls it 'one of the 
best little onions'. Mine probably needs more sun.

--Roy

santoury@aol.com wrote:
> Hey guys
> A buddy of mine shared some Allium seeds with me, and we found it on the
internet, showing one single reference, and my seeds came from that single
plant we found. The label is Allium toojayashii. 
> I'd love more information about this species, and if I have it spelled
wrong, correct me please. 
> Best, Jude
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 23:34:24 +0100
From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE
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Hello Jude

Mark says the same as Roy

reaction Mark:
This is probably a name scramble of Allium togashii (published in
Flora of Japan as A. togasii).  Then it would remain to be seen
whether the plant is true to name.


Roland



2011/2/8 bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>:
> I asked it for you
> I let you know if Mark answers
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> Roland


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:32:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark McDonough <antennaria@charter.net>
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Subject: [pbs]  Unknown Allium
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santoury@aol.com wrote:
> ===============
> Hey guys, A buddy of mine shared some Allium seeds with me, and we 
> found it on the internet, showing one single >reference, and my seeds 
> came from that single plant we found. The label is Allium toojayashii.
> I'd love more information about this species, and if I have it spelled 
> wrong, correct me please.
> Best, Jude

Hello Jude, a friend of yours (Roland de Boer) just posted your exact 
same question on your behalf on the Scottish Rock Garden Club (SRGC) 
Forum, which I answered.  The link is below:

http://srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php/…

Mark McDonough
antennaria@charter.net
Massachusetts, USA
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 23:55:11 +0000
From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes Sources
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Jim, one thing is a collection of species. A collection of hybrids is by now
likely to be seriously virused. A very few of them are apomictic and can be
propagated true from seed.
 
Regards
 
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:30:26 -0600
> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
> From: jwaddick@kc.rr.com
> Subject: [pbs] Zephyranthes Sources
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> Dear Friends,
> A friend in Shanghai would like to start a collection of 
> Zephyranthes species and cvs. Can anyone suggest a good source that 
> has a variety of forms.? Of course I'd prefer a source with 
> reliable names and modest prices.
> 
> I think we may be talking about a couple hundred bulbs total 
> depending on variety.
> 
> Thanks for your assistance. Best Jim W.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:28:32 -0800
From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] Thermogenesis in Amorphophallus
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I have added a link to the wiki Amorphophallus page of another 
paper  about the thermogenesis of Amorphophallus titanum: A torch in 
the rain forest: thermogenesis of the Titan arum (Amorphophallus titanum) .

http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/….

Mary Sue 



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:51:31 +0000
From: David Pilling <pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Are Snowdrops Thermogenic?
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Hi,

Took my digital infrared thermometer (a tenner on ebay) out to 
interrogate the snowdrops. Sad to report the fully opened flowers have 
the same temperature as the surroundings.


-- 
David Pilling
email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:19:06 +0100
From: "J. Agoston" <agoston.janos123@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Unknown Allium
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I feel the urging need to get more info about G.A.R.L.I.C., beeing an
Alliophil, it must be a heavenly place.
Jan,
Hungary


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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 08:35:01 -0500
From: santoury@aol.com
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE
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Thanks a million! 
Jude

 

 


 

 

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From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 5:03 pm
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I asked it for you

I let you know if Mark answers



Roland







2011/2/8  <santoury@aol.com>:

> Hey buddy

> That's a new website for me! I'd appreciate if you could check there for
me.

> Best, Jude





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FRANCE



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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:35:49 +0100
From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE
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Subject: New: [pbs]Gladiolus atroviolaceus

Is there a member who has Gladiolus atroviolaceus bulbs or seeds available
best is from Loco Naturalis with collection number
from a few different places

I am also looking for other EurAsian species
for a Gladiolus collection

Roland

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La Maugardiere 1
F 27260 EPAIGNES
FRANCE

Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204
Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com


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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:48:15 +0800
From: Pham Minh Phuong <phamminhphuong@gmail.com>
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [pbs] Please help with Hippeastrum ID
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Hi,
I am a new Hippeastrum collector. Now, my bulbs are producing flowers
but I do not know which species they belong to. Please give a check
and help me to clarify.
Bulb number 1
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/IMG_1996.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/P1010658.jpg
Bulb number 2
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/IMG_2086.jpg
Bulb number 3
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/IMG_2080.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/IMG_2062.jpg
I am looking to hear your reply. Thank you so much.
Sincerely yours,
Pham


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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 08:37:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Del Allegood <npublici@yahoo.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Please help with Hippeastrum ID
Message-ID: <773064.63329.qm@web59709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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Your blooms appear to be hybrids,possibly seedlings of commercial
varieties,to 
me.

 Del



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From: Pham Minh Phuong <phamminhphuong@gmail.com>
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 10:48:15 AM
Subject: [pbs] Please help with Hippeastrum ID

Hi,
I am a new Hippeastrum collector. Now, my bulbs are producing flowers
but I do not know which species they belong to. Please give a check
and help me to clarify.
Bulb number 1
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/IMG_1996.jpg

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/P1010658.jpg

Bulb number 2
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/IMG_2086.jpg

Bulb number 3
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/IMG_2080.jpg

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/…
n/IMG_2062.jpg

I am looking to hear your reply. Thank you so much.
Sincerely yours,
Pham




      

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