What are some species of thernogenic flowering plants? Sent from my iPad On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Carolyn Walker <carolynsshadegardens@verizon.net> wrote: > David, You are so nice to follow up on my question. I do believe that > snowdrops may very well not be thermogenic even though conventional wisdom > says they are. However, I think you would need to test the buds as they > come through the snow or are just opening. In thermogenic plants, if the > open flower has been pollinated, it turns off its heat. It also turns off > its heat when it judges that the ambient temperature is high enough for its > purposes. It would have to be pretty cold outside to insure that the heat > was on. Thermogenic flowers have developed some very tricky evolutionary > tactics. I wrote a short article on this, noting that I had posed the > question to this forum: http://carolynsshadegardens.com/. I very much > appreciate everyone's help. Carolyn > > Carolyn Walker > Carolyn's Shade Gardens > http://www.carolynsshadegardens.com/ > carolynsshadegardens@verizon.net > 325 S Roberts Rd > Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] > On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:38 AM > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 97, Issue 9 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Allium - UPDATE (santoury@aol.com) > 2. Re: Allium - UPDATE (bulborum botanicum) > 3. Re: Unknown Allium (Roy Herold) > 4. Re: Allium - UPDATE (bulborum botanicum) > 5. Unknown Allium (Mark McDonough) > 6. Re: Zephyranthes Sources (Alberto Castillo) > 7. Thermogenesis in Amorphophallus (Mary Sue Ittner) > 8. Re: Are Snowdrops Thermogenic? (David Pilling) > 9. Re: Unknown Allium (J. Agoston) > 10. Re: Allium - UPDATE (santoury@aol.com) > 11. Re: Allium - UPDATE (bulborum botanicum) > 12. Please help with Hippeastrum ID (Pham Minh Phuong) > 13. Re: Please help with Hippeastrum ID (Del Allegood) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 16:49:46 -0500 > From: santoury@aol.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE > Message-ID: <8CD95F13C4CDF36-165C-EEC0@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hey buddy > That's a new website for me! I'd appreciate if you could check there for me. > > Best, Jude > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 4:46 pm > Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE > > > If there is somebody who knows the answer it must be the onion man > > If you are member from the SRGS ask him > > otherwise I will ask it for you > > > > http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5766.0 > > > > Roland > > > > 2011/2/8 <santoury@aol.com>: > >> PS - I forgot to mention, I can no longer find that single reference, > which is > > why I'm on here asking! > >> Jude > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > R de Boer > > La Maugardiere 1 > > F 27260 EPAIGNES > > FRANCE > > > > Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > > Email: bulborum@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 23:03:57 +0100 > From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikvDHea9A0ij2wmpwdjjRrFqEnUHV9hhEZKM54T@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I asked it for you > I let you know if Mark answers > > Roland > > > > 2011/2/8 <santoury@aol.com>: >> Hey buddy >> That's a new website for me! I'd appreciate if you could check there for > me. >> Best, Jude > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:10:20 -0500 > From: Roy Herold <rherold@yahoo.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Unknown Allium > Message-ID: <4D51BF4C.7050206@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Probably Allium togasii. I grow it--very hardy, seeds around, not > terribly distinguished. Mine originally came from the the Onion Man's > G.A.R.L.I.C (Growing Allium and Related Liliaciae In Cultivation??) > society seed exchange, many years ago. > > See > > <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…> > > for more information. I see that Onion Man Mark calls it 'one of the > best little onions'. Mine probably needs more sun. > > --Roy > > santoury@aol.com wrote: >> Hey guys >> A buddy of mine shared some Allium seeds with me, and we found it on the > internet, showing one single reference, and my seeds came from that single > plant we found. The label is Allium toojayashii. >> I'd love more information about this species, and if I have it spelled > wrong, correct me please. >> Best, Jude >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 23:34:24 +0100 > From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi==+A13etNsBR306moK1QwM8txE_dvow-VdPH9H@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello Jude > > Mark says the same as Roy > > reaction Mark: > This is probably a name scramble of Allium togashii (published in > Flora of Japan as A. togasii). Then it would remain to be seen > whether the plant is true to name. > > > Roland > > > > 2011/2/8 bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>: >> I asked it for you >> I let you know if Mark answers >> >> Roland > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:32:43 -0500 (EST) > From: Mark McDonough <antennaria@charter.net> > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Unknown Allium > Message-ID: > <559624680.284779.1297204363254.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no > > santoury@aol.com wrote: >> =============== >> Hey guys, A buddy of mine shared some Allium seeds with me, and we >> found it on the internet, showing one single >reference, and my seeds >> came from that single plant we found. The label is Allium toojayashii. >> I'd love more information about this species, and if I have it spelled >> wrong, correct me please. >> Best, Jude > > Hello Jude, a friend of yours (Roland de Boer) just posted your exact > same question on your behalf on the Scottish Rock Garden Club (SRGC) > Forum, which I answered. The link is below: > > http://srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php/… > > Mark McDonough > antennaria@charter.net > Massachusetts, USA > USDA Zone 5 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 23:55:11 +0000 > From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes Sources > Message-ID: <bay156-w224ED2374582A339782B55AEEA0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Jim, one thing is a collection of species. A collection of hybrids is by now > likely to be seriously virused. A very few of them are apomictic and can be > propagated true from seed. > > Regards > >> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:30:26 -0600 >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> From: jwaddick@kc.rr.com >> Subject: [pbs] Zephyranthes Sources >> >> Dear Friends, >> A friend in Shanghai would like to start a collection of >> Zephyranthes species and cvs. Can anyone suggest a good source that >> has a variety of forms.? Of course I'd prefer a source with >> reliable names and modest prices. >> >> I think we may be talking about a couple hundred bulbs total >> depending on variety. >> >> Thanks for your assistance. Best Jim W. >> -- >> Dr. James W. Waddick >> 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. >> Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 >> USA >> Ph. 816-746-1949 >> Zone 5 Record low -23F >> Summer 100F + >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:28:32 -0800 > From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] Thermogenesis in Amorphophallus > Message-ID: <20110209062941.93DBF4C011@lists.ibiblio.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I have added a link to the wiki Amorphophallus page of another > paper about the thermogenesis of Amorphophallus titanum: A torch in > the rain forest: thermogenesis of the Titan arum (Amorphophallus titanum) . > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…. > > Mary Sue > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:51:31 +0000 > From: David Pilling <pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Are Snowdrops Thermogenic? > Message-ID: <7P6e6kAD$nUNFw43@pilling.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed > > Hi, > > Took my digital infrared thermometer (a tenner on ebay) out to > interrogate the snowdrops. Sad to report the fully opened flowers have > the same temperature as the surroundings. > > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net/ > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:19:06 +0100 > From: "J. Agoston" <agoston.janos123@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Unknown Allium > Message-ID: > <AANLkTik1v5SNE+gPP7y9-L=61-mzdba+Rpa+=J-4JB11@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I feel the urging need to get more info about G.A.R.L.I.C., beeing an > Alliophil, it must be a heavenly place. > Jan, > Hungary > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 08:35:01 -0500 > From: santoury@aol.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE > Message-ID: <8CD96754993A74F-2008-1E00@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thanks a million! > Jude > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 5:03 pm > Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE > > > I asked it for you > > I let you know if Mark answers > > > > Roland > > > > > > > > 2011/2/8 <santoury@aol.com>: > >> Hey buddy > >> That's a new website for me! I'd appreciate if you could check there for > me. > >> Best, Jude > > > > > > -- > > R de Boer > > La Maugardiere 1 > > F 27260 EPAIGNES > > FRANCE > > > > Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > > Email: bulborum@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:35:49 +0100 > From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimRw+NJ4jrFK_h8iJkFmRO1ehe1PN97ef1WrV2K@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Subject: New: [pbs]Gladiolus atroviolaceus > > Is there a member who has Gladiolus atroviolaceus bulbs or seeds available > best is from Loco Naturalis with collection number > from a few different places > > I am also looking for other EurAsian species > for a Gladiolus collection > > Roland > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:48:15 +0800 > From: Pham Minh Phuong <phamminhphuong@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Please help with Hippeastrum ID > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=OEvyLCRe0f-EXkWWJ=ofBXGjHHp5VLzf4r2bM@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > I am a new Hippeastrum collector. Now, my bulbs are producing flowers > but I do not know which species they belong to. Please give a check > and help me to clarify. > Bulb number 1 > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/IMG_1996.jpg > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/P1010658.jpg > Bulb number 2 > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/IMG_2086.jpg > Bulb number 3 > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/IMG_2080.jpg > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/IMG_2062.jpg > I am looking to hear your reply. Thank you so much. > Sincerely yours, > Pham > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 08:37:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Del Allegood <npublici@yahoo.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Please help with Hippeastrum ID > Message-ID: <773064.63329.qm@web59709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Your blooms appear to be hybrids,possibly seedlings of commercial > varieties,to > me. > > Del > > > > ________________________________ > From: Pham Minh Phuong <phamminhphuong@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 10:48:15 AM > Subject: [pbs] Please help with Hippeastrum ID > > Hi, > I am a new Hippeastrum collector. Now, my bulbs are producing flowers > but I do not know which species they belong to. Please give a check > and help me to clarify. > Bulb number 1 > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/IMG_1996.jpg > > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/P1010658.jpg > > Bulb number 2 > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/IMG_2086.jpg > > Bulb number 3 > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/IMG_2080.jpg > > http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… > n/IMG_2062.jpg > > I am looking to hear your reply. Thank you so much. > Sincerely yours, > Pham > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 97, Issue 9 > ********************************** > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/