Two lots of seeds sown when received from the RHS-Lily Group in February 2010 germinated in February 2011. They went through all the seasonal temperatures here except they were sheltered from any freezing in an unheated greenhouse, so the temperature range they experienced was about 3 to 25 C. They were from bulbs received from Chen Yi by two people in England. One had been labelled cathayanum but the donor did not consider that correct. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers