No umbrage taken Mark it's just that there is already sufficient confusion in Narcissus nomenclature and, I suppose, there will be until the new monograph is ready and I'm told this will be some time yet. The following might explain N. 'Telamonius Plenus' in more detail. http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php/…; >SNIP> Of course I meant Narcissus 'Telamonius Plenus'... > Sorry for any confusion or umbridge caused.<SNIP>