> >I don't know why it is the case that there should be a random sampling of a >few orchid genera on the wiki and a few aroids (groups with their own >dedicated fan clubs) while these decidedly geophytic succulent genera have >been omitted, but it would be good to ad some of the latter to balance the >necessarily heavy weight of the petaloid monocots. Inclusiveness is a >perfectly good thing when properly considered. Dylan, Are you really saying that is something has a dedicated fan club then it shouldn't be included on the wiki? That seems to be your reason for excluding orchids and aroids, at least according to the above paragraph? Or am I reading it incorrectly. That definition would take out Liliums, Galanthus, Trilliums (but if we're only bulbs then they can't be included anyway), Fritillarias, Probably the majority of Amaryllidaceae given I think there is an Amaryllid fan group isn't there..... and the list goes on? And to the discussion in general....... Personally, I don't see why there is a problem including non-bulbs (i.e other geophytes), although there have been some postings on this topic that seem to be saying that we should only be pure bulbs. I guess the purists from a bulb point of view would say that nothing that wasn't a true bulb should be included..... but the one thing I've always like about the PBS is that it isn't so strict and authoritative as some other organisations are/have been. I'm really not at all sure where this discussion is intending to go, other than to try to start an argument about the direction of the PBS? At the moment the wiki is a fantastic resource for so many genera, and I personally don't want to lose that resource? Anyway, apologies for adding to the discussion. I just wanted to try to find out where it was supposed to be heading, so I knew whether to keep reading these topics or just delete them when they arrive. Sorry to have added this one as well to everyone's inbox. Thanks. Cheers. Paul T. Canberra, Australia - USDA Zone Equivalent approx. 8/9 Min winter temp -8 or -9°C. Max summer temp 40°C. Thankfully, maybe once or twice a year only. Growing an eclectic collection of plants from all over the world including Aroids, Crocus, Cyclamen, Erythroniums, Fritillarias, Galanthus, Terrestrial Orchids, Irises, Liliums, Trilliums (to name but a few) and just about anything else that doesn't move!!