There is a big difference > between liberating things from a derelict house (which really is > saving them from an uncertain future, rather than taking them from a > loving home) and stealing them out of someone's garden. No matter how noble the cause, taking something without consent is theft and no amount of moral relativism can change that. Shame on those who wish to possess at any cost. Mark Mazer Hertford, North Carolina USDA 8a