narcissus species

Jim Lykos jimlykos@bigpond.com
Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:15:18 PDT
Hello Ben,

I would be very interested in reading your pdf article on the taxaonomy of
narcissus species.
Could you please email me a copy
Many thanks

Jim Lykos

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From: "Zonneveld, B.J.M." <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl>
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>I like to remind you that I wrote an article on the taxonomy of all 
>narcissus species, based on 375 accessions, in 2008 in Plant systematics 
>and evolution 275: 109-132 and a second article on the origin of N bujei in 
>Anales del Jardin Botanico Madrid 67(1): 29-39. Both are based on nuclear 
>DNA content
> I can send a pdf to those interested
>
> Kind regards,
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>   3. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina)
>   4. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina)
>   5. Re: What I saw in bloom (Alberto Castillo)
>   6. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Rodger Whitlock)
>   7. hello, what's blooming in my garden (arcangelo wessells)
>   8. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Hannon)
>   9. Overwintering Nerine bowdenii (J. Denys Bourque)
>  10. Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (J. Denys Bourque)
>  11. Re: Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (Bulborum Botanicum)
>  12. Re: hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids between
>      californian paeonia (Mark BROWN)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:35:59 -0400
> From: "Fred Biasella" <arlen.jose@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request
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> Hi Ben,
>
> It almost looks like a spiloxene.
>
> Fred
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>
> Anyone have a name on this unknown? It has been blooming the last few 
> weeks and is now winding down. Apparently a winter grower here in the SF 
> bay area...
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> http://flickr.com/photos/btanderson/…
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> Thanks,
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:14:56 -0700
> From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request
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> Spiloxene serrata is one of the longest blooming species. This year with a 
> dry January, February, and March it is really been putting on a show as 
> there have been a lot more sunny days with enough warmth for the flowers 
> to open. It started blooming in December and is still blooming in March.
> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
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> It may not be as spectacular as Spiloxene capensis, but it is a much more 
> reliable and longer bloomer. I suspect this is what your unknown is.
>
> Mary Sue
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> Mary Sue Ittner
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> Wet mild winters with occasional frost
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:06:05 +1300
> From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid
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> Only the one bulb had 2 doubles like this Steven.  Until I accidentally 
> broke a flower off, and then there was one..... :'(
>
> Ina Crossley
> Auckland New Zealand  Zone 10
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> On 24/03/2013 12:23 a.m., steven hart wrote:
>> Ina i was also wondering if every flower on this plant is double ?
>>
>> On 22 March 2013 20:06, Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>>> What I found in my garden today
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>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/102349754034616089606…
>>> ranthus?authkey=Gv1sRgCNj_oNuK9aakLQ#5858036208409452082
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>>> Ina
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:09:57 +1300
> From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid
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> Stev, they are twinned, I looked at the embryo seedheads yesterday and as 
> you say, they are slightly flattened.  Felix Fajar Martha says that 
> eventually I should be able to get it into a double.  The future will 
> tell.
>
> Ina Crossley
> Auckland New Zealand  Zone 10
>
> On 24/03/2013 12:20 a.m., steven hart wrote:
>> Maybe we should try to cross my Twin Habranthus with your Double /
>> Twin Zephyranthes, I wonder if that is even possible ???
>>
>> Steven Esk QLD Australia
>>
>>   if it is a true double it would be wonderful & would be fun to see
>> if you can breed different colours with it...
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> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:53:45 +0000
> From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] What I saw in bloom
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> Right now around Buenos Aires, its natural habitat, is still in massive 
> bloom but some capsules  are open and shedding seeds.
>
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> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:42:43 -0700
> From: "Rodger Whitlock" <totototo@telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species
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> On 22 Mar 2013, at 10:33, Michael Mace wrote:
>
>> Personal opinion: we won't be able to really make sense of the genus
>> [Narcissus] without genetic analysis.
>
> Personal opinion: genetic analysis won't help much.
>
> It's pretty clear that on the Iberian peninsula, the genus Narcissus is 
> undergoing active speciation. The fixed category "species" just doesn't 
> work very well under such circumstances, just as it's of questionable 
> utility in paleontology. (The paleontological day is saved thanks (a) to 
> the fact that only a tiny subset of all organisms is fossilized and (b) 
> per Stephen Jay Gould, active speciation is a relatively fast process, so 
> fossilization of true intermediates would be rare.
>
> It strikes me that the situation with Iberian narcissus may be like that 
> with the Pacific Coast irises, where logging has created "bio-ways" 
> linking distinct species and allowing them to hybridize freely. I've read 
> that some of the PCI species are actually at risk of being hybridized out 
> of existence.
>
> The usual definition of species is a population of plants that can breed 
> together but does not _or_cannot_ breed with other species. When 
> interbreeding is prevented by ecological barriers, if those barriers are 
> disrupted, suddenly formerly good species stop looking so good.
>
> Human habitation of the Iberian Peninsula goes back some tens of thousands 
> of years. It may be that the clearing of forests and similar ecological 
> degradation lies at the root of the complexities of Iberian narcissus.
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:28:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arcangelo wessells <arcangelow@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden
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> Hello everyone. My name is Arcangelo Wessells. I have been a member just 
> over one year but this is my first post. I live in Vallejo, ?CA. Just at 
> the East end of the San Francisco bay area. I have a small garden so I 
> have resorted to ?small slow growing plants to extend the joy of 
> gardening. I raise plants from seed in pots but I try to get them in the 
> ground as soon as possible. Some bulbs disappear quickly but others are 
> tough and I am much fond of the way they look in the ground. I am trying 
> to make it look as natural as possible. I am interested mainly in Paeonia, 
> Gethyllis, Fritillaria and Calochortus. I will have more photos to share 
> later this year, but many of my plants are still to young to flower. I am 
> also very interested in Castilleja and Orobanche and other parasitic 
> plants.
> So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out. It rained last 
> week and really made the flower more beautiful.
> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/…
>
>
> ??Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today. A bit harder to photograph. It 
> works best at 7am as I go to work.
> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/…
>
> and
> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/…
>
>
> Also some Trillium ovatum:
> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/…
>
>
> They are my first flowers on seed grown plants from Archibalds. Paeonia 
> californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to cross them in 
> the future.
>
> arcangelo
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:33:42 -0700
> From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species
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> Rodger makes some excellent points. There seem to be similar phenomena in
> epiphytic rhododendrons and bromeliads, where disturbance such as road
> building or logging creates light gaps that alter the behavior of
> pollinators and modify opportunities for the plants. Some vireyas are
> relatively uncommon in closed-canopy forest but roadsides in the same
> forest can create ideal secondary habitat for them to thrive and meet with
> congeners they would otherwise be more isolated from. The case is probably
> more dynamic with bromeliads like Guzmania species since their seeds are
> wind-dispersed.
>
> Regarding Narcissus, it's too bad there is not a formal taxonomic rank of
> "species complex" for a suite of closely allied taxa that may intergrade
> with one another-- or may be actively diverging from one common ancestor.
>
> Dylan
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> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:03:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [pbs] Overwintering Nerine bowdenii
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> Last fall I asked the group for advice on overwintering Nerine bowdenii 
> indoors.
> I got a variety of answers for which I was/am very grateful. But it seemed 
> not many had experience with this species in USA Zone 3. I finally left 
> them in their pot and positioned it about 1 m = 3 ft from the patio door 
> and 20 cm = 8 in. from the radiator and stopped watering them.
>
> Low and behold, one sprouted 2 wks ago, and the 3 others yesterday, with 2 
> babies as a bonus.
>
> I'm very happy, and wanted to share this with you all.
>
> ?
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Dear all,
> I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I 
> searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate 
> any advice on this:
> 1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces" (tubers??) 
> sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets almost all 
> the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant the "welded" 
> part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in. of the tips 
> above the soil. But then, considering the presence of rootlets near the 
> tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch sideways.
> 2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch, also with 
> long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but apparently broken 
> off at the other end. These I thought of planting sideways.
> 3. How deep should I plant them?
> Grateful for any advice.
>
> Sincerely,
> ?
> J. Denys Bourque
> Saint-Jacques, NB?? CANADA
> Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:56:20 +0100
> From: Bulborum Botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hi Denys
>
> I plant them just as Dahlia
>
> Roland
>
>
> 2013/3/23 J. Denys Bourque <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk>:
>> Dear all,
>> I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I 
>> searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate 
>> any advice on this:
>>         1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces" 
>> (tubers??) sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets 
>> almost all the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant 
>> the "welded" part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in. 
>> of the tips above the soil. But then, considering the presence of 
>> rootlets near the tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch 
>> sideways.
>>         2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch, 
>> also with long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but 
>> apparently broken off at the other end. These I thought of planting 
>> sideways.
>>         3. How deep should I plant them?
>> Grateful for any advice.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> J. Denys Bourque
>> Saint-Jacques, NB   CANADA
>> Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:02:11 +0100 (CET)
> From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids
> between californian paeonia
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Dear Arcangelo,
> I fully encourage you in your idea of hybridising these paeonia.
> I have often dreamed of doing just that. And wondered if any one had ever 
> tried?
> Anyone know of hybrids between californian paeonia and the other species?
> ?
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>> Message du 24/03/13 03:28
> " So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out.
> ? Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today.
> ?Paeonia californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to 
> cross them in the future.
>>
>> arcangelo"
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