From ds429@frontier.com Sun, 01 Sep 2013 10:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1378054927.90072.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 344 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT)   Dear All,          The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared.     If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 344" in the subject line.           Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added.        Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:            If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to:   Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA   Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds.               I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !!   BULBS (NB:  the names are those used by the donors, to whom we are grateful.. The ones in quotation marks could not be unequivocally verified.) From Nhu Nguyen: 1.       Oxalis glabra 2.       Oxalis cathara 3.       Oxalis obtusa, MV 5005a From Monica Swartz: 4.       Oxalis fabifolia 5.       Oxalis   "massonorum" 6.       Oxalis imbricata 7.       Oxalis polyphylla    "var. heptaphylla" 8.       Oxalis flava  "pectinaria" 9.       Oxalis namaquana From Mike Mace: 10.   Oxalis callosa 11.   Oxalis     "kaasvogdensis" 12.   Oxalis luteola MV 5567 13.   Oxalis obtusa, pink (ex Siskiyou Rare Plants) 14.   Oxalis polyphylla   "var. heptaphylla"   MV 6396 15.   Oxalis sp., MV 4621A 16.   Oxalis sp., MV 4674 17.   Oxalis sp., MV 4719D 18.   Oxalis sp., MV 4871 19.   Oxalis sp., MV 4960B 20.   Oxalis sp., MV 5117 21.   Oxalis sp., MV 5180 22.   Oxalis sp., MV 5532 23.   Oxalis sp., MV 5630A 24.   Oxalis sp., MV 5752 25.   Oxalis sp, probably O. hirta, pink 26.   Oxalis stenorhyncha Thank you, Nhu, Monica, and Mike !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From michaelcmace@gmail.com Sun, 01 Sep 2013 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <001201cea742$2f318e20$8d94aa60$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: BX 344 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 11:36:32 -0700 Folks, If you want information on the "MV" Oxalis listed in my contribution to the BX, those are South African selections collected by the late Michael Vassar of the Huntington Botanical Garden. You can see a list with details on all his selections here: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/00_others/MV_complete_Oxalis_lis t.pdf Many of the corms were already starting to sprout their little thready shoots when I sent them to Dell, so you should pot and water them immediately when you receive them. Plant the sprouts horizontally, spreading them across the surface of the soil, and then covering with about half an inch of soil. If you're new to the list, I should tell you that most Oxalis are not the weeds that many people think they are. Most of the South African species are easy to grow, stay in one place, and make colorful flowers for a long period in fall to early winter. Have fun! Mike From kopurdy@gmail.com Mon, 02 Sep 2013 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kathy Purdy Subject: Crocus minimus id verification Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:12:54 -0400 Hi, Jane I am awaiting the first colchicum blooms of the season; I can see the pale tips peeking out of the ground. This got me thinking about a remark you made quite a while ago, quoted below. You said a monograph on colchicums exists but has been delayed by lack of funding. Do you have any more information on this? I am wondering if anything can be done in regards to the funding problem, such as publishing via print on demand. Has the author considered submitting the manuscript to Timber Press? I am giving a presentation on colchicums to the Adirondack Chapter (really Finger Lakes, based in Ithaca, NY) of the North American Rock Garden Society and I would like to informed on the status of the monograph in case the question comes up. Shoot, I would like to own the monograph! At any rate, I'd appreciate any information you could share. Kathy Purdy On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Jane McGary wrote: > Gastil's photos include one of the corms, which clearly shows that > her crocuses are C. minimus, because the parallel fibers are obvious. > The very similar C. corsicus has reticulate tunic fibers. > > The photographed flowers are typical of the commercially propagated > variety of C. minimus, which is more strongly marked on the outer > (reverse) than some wild forms. It also has larger flowers and wider > tepals than some I have grown from wild-collected seed or seed from such > stock. > > Mathew writes that the two species, which both grow on Corsica, > apparently do not hybridize. > > Gastil also asked about "a good book or website for Mediterranean > geophyte identification." I don't think there is a single publication > or website for all of the Mediterranean, or for all genera. For > Crocus I am still relying on Mathew 1982 with some photocopies of > later-described taxa laid in, but I have heard that a revision of > that book may appear within the near future. The AGS plans to publish > a well-illustrated field guide to geophytes of the eastern > Mediterranean (essentially the Middle East and Cyprus) by Oron Peri, > and there are several useful books for Turkey and for Greece, and a > grand volume on Crete. North Africa seems to be sadly neglected. For > Spain one usually turns to works on specific genera, such as John > Blanchard's on Narcissus, or works of Aaron Davis and John Grimshaw > on Galanthus. My own greatest interest is Fritillaria, for which a > monograph has not yet appeared, leaving me very frustrated every > spring as I try to verify my plants in flower. *There exists a > monograph on COlchicum, but its publication has, I believe, been > delayed by lack of funding.* > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Text inserted by Panda GP 2011: > > > > This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited > > mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: > > http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_20577&SPAM=true&path=C > :\Documents%20and%20Settings\Main\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Global%20Protection%202011\AntiSpam > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Kathy Purdy Cold Climate Gardening: providing the information you need to succeed in USDA Hardiness Zones 4 and colder. http://www.coldclimategardening.com Blogging Art and Practice: YourBlogHelper.com From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Colchicum monograph, was Crocus minimus id verification Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:11:40 -0700 I don't know whether Kathy Purdy meant to post her note about Colchicum to the forum or personally to me, but since it got to all, I will reply to all. >Hi, Jane >This got me thinking about a remark you >made quite a while ago, quoted below. You said a monograph on colchicums >exists but has been delayed by lack of funding. Do you have any more >information on this? I am wondering if anything can be done in regards to >the funding problem, such as publishing via print on demand. Has the author >considered submitting the manuscript to Timber Press? The monograph mentioned is by Karen Persson of the Goteborg Botanic Garden. I heard through a third party that it was funding that delayed the publication of this work, which has been in preparation for a number of years, but I am not in contact with Dr. Persson herself. Timber Press no long publishes technical botanical monographs and other specialized works, having decided to concentrate on books of more interest to the general gardener, and thus more likely to be profitable. You can't blame them for that; we're a small demographic. I don't know why this monograph would not be published on demand or posted online. Perhaps there is some requirement in the earlier grant contracts that it be offered in a print version for libraries and other institutions. Some libraries will not purchase books that don't come hardbound; others will shelve softbound ones or bind them in house. And some, especially at universities, purchase very expensive institutional subscriptions to online journals and other paid access sites. (Individuals can subscribe to these too, usually for less than an institution pays, but still quite a bit. For example, when I didn't have free access to the OED through my job, I could subscribe to it for, at the time, $185 a year.) Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From petersirises@gmail.com Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Crocus minimus id verification Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:20:20 +0100 I have a 'paper' on the Turkish Colchicums which came to me without restriction. Janis Ruksan produced a book on crocus recently. Peter (UK) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Kathy Purdy wrote: > Hi, Jane You said a monograph on colchicums > exists but has been delayed by lack of funding. > Kathy Purdy > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Jane McGary >wrote: > > > > > > Gastil also asked about "a good book or website for Mediterranean > > geophyte identification." I don't think there is a single publication > > or website for all of the Mediterranean, or for all genera. For > > Crocus I am still relying on Mathew 1982 with some photocopies of > > later-described taxa laid in, > > > -- > Kathy Purdy > Cold Climate Gardening: providing the information you need > to succeed in USDA Hardiness Zones 4 and colder. > http://www.coldclimategardening.com > Blogging Art and Practice: YourBlogHelper.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From makimoff76@gmail.com Mon, 02 Sep 2013 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: mark akimoff Subject: illahe bulb list is online now at www.illaherarebulbs.blogspot.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 15:18:56 -0700 The new 2013 fall list is online now at www.illaherarebulbs.blogspot.com If anyone knows what Biarum pbs 435 is I would appreciate you letting me know. Thanks, Mark From leo@possi.org Mon, 02 Sep 2013 23:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <33a922ebd1afd861c851813df8a3878e.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: PBS BX 344 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 22:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Hello Dell, I'd like all of them, but I realize there will be high demand. Leo Martin ABC Medical 4441 E McDowell Rd #101 Phoenix AZ 85008 Thank you, Leo Martin On Mon, September 2, 2013 9:00 am, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > Today's Topics: > > > 1. Pacific Bulb Society 344 (ds429) > 2. Re: BX 344 (Michael Mace) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: ds429 > Subject: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 344 > To: pbs > Message-ID: > <1378054927.90072.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > ? > Dear All, > ? > ?????? The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. > ? > ? If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at > . Include "BX 344" in the subject line. > ? > ??????? Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify > quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't > already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you > receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much > money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal > to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS > treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. ? > ???? Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of > the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS > AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, > consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to > our website: ? > ???????? If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will > receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send > CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > ? > Dell Sherk > 55 W. High St. > Salem, WV 26426 > USA > ? > Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. > ? > ??????????? I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > ? > BULBS > (NB:? the names are those used by the donors, to whom we are grateful.. The ones in > quotation marks could not be unequivocally verified.) > > >> From Nhu Nguyen: >> > 1.?????? Oxalis glabra > 2.?????? Oxalis cathara > 3.?????? Oxalis obtusa, MV 5005a > >> From Monica Swartz: >> > 4.?????? Oxalis fabifolia > 5.?????? Oxalis?? "massonorum" > 6.?????? Oxalis imbricata > 7.?????? Oxalis polyphylla??? "var. heptaphylla" > 8.?????? Oxalis flava? "pectinaria" > 9.?????? Oxalis namaquana > >> From Mike Mace: >> > 10.?? Oxalis callosa > 11.?? Oxalis???? "kaasvogdensis" > 12.?? Oxalis luteola MV 5567 > 13.?? Oxalis obtusa, pink (ex Siskiyou Rare Plants) > 14.?? Oxalis polyphylla?? "var. heptaphylla"? ?MV 6396 > 15.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4621A > 16.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4674 > 17.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4719D > 18.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4871 > 19.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4960B > 20.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5117 > 21.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5180 > 22.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5532 > 23.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5630A > 24.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5752 > 25.?? Oxalis sp, probably O. hirta, pink > 26.?? Oxalis stenorhyncha > > > Thank you, Nhu, Monica, and Mike !! > > > Best wishes, > Dell > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 11:36:32 -0700 > From: "Michael Mace" > Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 344 > To: > Message-ID: <001201cea742$2f318e20$8d94aa60$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Folks, > > > If you want information on the "MV" Oxalis listed in my contribution to the > BX, those are South African selections collected by the late Michael Vassar > of the Huntington Botanical Garden. You can see a list with details on all his selections > here: > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/00_others/MV_complete_Oxalis_lis > t.pdf > > Many of the corms were already starting to sprout their little thready > shoots when I sent them to Dell, so you should pot and water them immediately when you > receive them. Plant the sprouts horizontally, spreading them across the surface of the > soil, and then covering with about half an inch of soil. > > If you're new to the list, I should tell you that most Oxalis are not the > weeds that many people think they are. Most of the South African species are easy to > grow, stay in one place, and make colorful flowers for a long period in fall to early > winter. > > Have fun! > > > Mike > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 128, Issue 2 > *********************************** > > From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1378220427.4667.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: PBS BX 344 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 08:00:27 -0700 (PDT) I have received your order.   Best wishes, Dell   Dell Sherk, PBS BX >________________________________ >From: Leo A. Martin >To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >Cc: leo@possi.org >Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 1:49 AM >Subject: [pbs] PBS BX 344 > > >Hello Dell, > >I'd like all of them, but I realize there will be high demand. > >Leo Martin >ABC Medical >4441 E McDowell Rd #101 >Phoenix AZ 85008 > >Thank you, > >Leo Martin > >On Mon, September 2, 2013 9:00 am, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: >> Send pbs mailing list submissions to >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." >> >> >> List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> 1. Pacific Bulb Society 344 (ds429) >> 2. Re: BX 344 (Michael Mace) >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) >> From: ds429 >> Subject: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 344 >> To: pbs >> Message-ID: >> <1378054927.90072.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> >> ? >> Dear All, >> ? >> ?????? The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. >>  ? >> ? If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at >> . Include "BX 344" in the subject line. >> ? >> ??????? Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify >> quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't >> already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you >> receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much >> money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal >> to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS >> treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. ? >> ???? Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of >> the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS >> AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, >> consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to >> our website: ? >> ???????? If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will >> receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send >> CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: >> ? >> Dell Sherk >> 55 W. High St. >> Salem, WV 26426 >> USA >> ? >> Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. >> ? >> ??????????? I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. >> IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! >> ? >> BULBS >> (NB:? the names are those used by the donors, to whom we are grateful.. The ones in >> quotation marks could not be unequivocally verified.) >> >> >>> From Nhu Nguyen: >>> >> 1.?????? Oxalis glabra >> 2.?????? Oxalis cathara >> 3.?????? Oxalis obtusa, MV 5005a >> >>> From Monica Swartz: >>> >> 4.?????? Oxalis fabifolia >> 5.?????? Oxalis?? "massonorum" >> 6.?????? Oxalis imbricata >> 7.?????? Oxalis polyphylla??? "var. heptaphylla" >> 8.?????? Oxalis flava? "pectinaria" >> 9.?????? Oxalis namaquana >> >>> From Mike Mace: >>> >> 10.?? Oxalis callosa >> 11.?? Oxalis???? "kaasvogdensis" >> 12.?? Oxalis luteola MV 5567 >> 13.?? Oxalis obtusa, pink (ex Siskiyou Rare Plants) >> 14.?? Oxalis polyphylla?? "var. heptaphylla"? ?MV 6396 >> 15.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4621A >> 16.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4674 >> 17.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4719D >> 18.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4871 >> 19.?? Oxalis sp., MV 4960B >> 20.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5117 >> 21.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5180 >> 22.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5532 >> 23.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5630A >> 24.?? Oxalis sp., MV 5752 >> 25.?? Oxalis sp, probably O. hirta, pink >> 26.?? Oxalis stenorhyncha >> >> >> Thank you, Nhu, Monica, and Mike !! >> >> >> Best wishes, >> Dell >> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 11:36:32 -0700 >> From: "Michael Mace" >> Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 344 >> To: >> Message-ID: <001201cea742$2f318e20$8d94aa60$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> Folks, >> >> >> If you want information on the "MV" Oxalis listed in my contribution to the >> BX, those are South African selections collected by the late Michael Vassar >> of the Huntington Botanical Garden. You can see a list with details on all his selections >> here: >> >> >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/00_others/MV_complete_Oxalis_lis >> t.pdf >> >> Many of the corms were already starting to sprout their little thready >> shoots when I sent them to Dell, so you should pot and water them immediately when you >> receive them. Plant the sprouts horizontally, spreading them across the surface of the >> soil, and then covering with about half an inch of soil. >> >> If you're new to the list, I should tell you that most Oxalis are not the >> weeds that many people think they are. Most of the South African species are easy to >> grow, stay in one place, and make colorful flowers for a long period in fall to early >> winter. >> >> Have fun! >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> >> >> >> End of pbs Digest, Vol 128, Issue 2 >> *********************************** >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <1378221829.79925.YahooMailNeo@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific BX 344 CLOSED Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 08:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Packages should go out by week's end.   Enjoy, Dell   Dell Sherk, PBS BX From gastil.buhl@gmail.com Thu, 05 Sep 2013 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5C45E271-6699-43E5-9182-3298D9D67AAD@gmail.com> From: "M. Gastil-Buhl" Subject: first signs of autumn and what's blooming now Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 09:35:29 -0700 Here in Santa Barbara, autumn can be one of the hottest, driest times of year and we are having a heat wave currently, reaching into the 90's mid-day and not going below 60 at night. There are not many bulbous plants blooming now in my garden. This is a natural low because most bulbs I grow are summer-dry winter and spring blooming. But there are a few. The last of the pink Amaryllis belladonna have gone to seed, most of them weeks ago. The first of the white A. belladonna emerged a bloom spike 2 days ago and is already 6 inches tall. Three bulbs of a white Amaryllis-related flower are in peak bloom now. These differ in that their inflorescence is radial, not all flopped over to one side. And two of the three have a fascinating oddity: some co-joined twin flowers. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/sets/72157635389712511/ One large bright yellow Dahlia has been blooming for a couple months. This is its 8th year in the same spot. And some pink Alstroemeria, some hybrid I assume, have been blooming all summer. All the Agapanthus are finished and are setting ample seed. The tiny pot of Nerine filifolia has one bud. A cute pink/lavender Oxalis zeekoevleyensis emerged from its dry pot on the dormant pots shelf and bloomed two cheerful flowers to surprise me on August 29th and remind me to check all the dormant pots! These are from BX 314 #14, one of those BX's like this most recent one, with so many tempting Oxalis to choose from. The photo also shows my near-failure in labeling. It looks like I filled in just a few faded letters and now those are the only ones visible. There is a second, buried label that did not fade. Isn't it amazing how those Oxalis sent up leaves and flowers from an air-dry pot?! http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/9681445198/ I am seeing the first signs of autumn. Some Watsonia have green leaf spikes emerging. The first Oxalis pes-caprae leaves have emerged, although I was purposefully soaking that patch of garden to encourage them to grow early so I can zap them. A fall-blooming crocus has sent up two buds, before any leaves, in a pot that was accidentally watered about 3 weeks ago when the drip system sprung a geyser. The Muscari ameniacum leaves are emerging in response to watering in other parts of the garden; where it is still dry they have not emerged. I plan to withhold water from most bulb pots until this hot weather has past. Then, I wonder how soon to begin watering, and whether to do one thorough soak and then nothing until leaves emerge or to start regular watering. Most of these species I have only had for one year so have no experience with them re-awakening. My guess is I should wait until night temperatures are lower. - Gastil Santa Barbara, CA From dkramb@badbear.com Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Sinningia hirsuta Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 13:27:15 -0400 I'm growing a handful of tuberous species of this South/Central American genus. Yesterday I got maiden bloom on this aptly named hairy beast. http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/P1010025.JPG It's a very small plant, slightly smaller than a typical African violet. And it's absolutely gorgeous! Don't you think? I had to share this photo. Dennis in Cincinnati From 64kkmjr@gmail.com Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: Sinningia hirsuta Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 11:08:56 -0700 Very nice, please keep us updated on this one & any others that are such beauties. Karl On Sep 5, 2013 10:27 AM, "Dennis Kramb" wrote: > I'm growing a handful of tuberous species of this South/Central American > genus. > > Yesterday I got maiden bloom on this aptly named hairy beast. > > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/P1010025.JPG > > It's a very small plant, slightly smaller than a typical African violet. > And it's absolutely gorgeous! Don't you think? I had to share this photo. > > Dennis in Cincinnati > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ds429@frontier.com Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <639378.53020.bm@smtp221.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: Sinningia hirsuta Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 19:35:26 +0000 It is a gorgeous flower. How wide is it? Dell Sent from Windows Mail From: Karl Church Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎September‎ ‎5‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎08‎ ‎PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Very nice, please keep us updated on this one & any others that are such beauties. Karl On Sep 5, 2013 10:27 AM, "Dennis Kramb" wrote: > I'm growing a handful of tuberous species of this South/Central American > genus. > > Yesterday I got maiden bloom on this aptly named hairy beast. > > http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/P1010025.JPG > > It's a very small plant, slightly smaller than a typical African violet. > And it's absolutely gorgeous! Don't you think? I had to share this photo. > > Dennis in Cincinnati > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From dkramb@badbear.com Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Sinningia hirsuta Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:00:50 -0400 The flower is slightly smaller than an African violet... perhaps 1.5cm across? but it's also very tubular. I acquired the seeds from The Gesneriad Society seed fund. http://www.gesneriadsociety.org/Membership/seedFund.htm Another good source is BrazilPlants.Com but it's pricey. Most of the Ges. Soc. material originates from BrazilPlants.Com. Gesneriads are addictive because many of them stay small, grow quickly from seed, and can bloom within 6 to 9 months of sowing. Probably the most unfortunate thing is that most species lack fragrance. And many species require terrarium culture with high humidity to thrive. Surprisingly many are cold hardy to Zone 8. A rare few are hardy to Zone 6. Dennis in Cincinnati From ds429@frontier.com Thu, 05 Sep 2013 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <57220.75236.bm@smtp218.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: Sinningia hirsuta Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:53:30 +0000 The Gesneriad Society lists PBS on their website as a source/interest group. They are a good bunch of people. And Gesneriaceae is a fascinating and rewarding family. Dell From: Dennis Kramb Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎September‎ ‎5‎, ‎2013 ‎4‎:‎00‎ ‎PM To: Pacific Bulb Society The flower is slightly smaller than an African violet... perhaps 1.5cm across? but it's also very tubular. I acquired the seeds from The Gesneriad Society seed fund. http://www.gesneriadsociety.org/Membership/seedFund.htm Another good source is BrazilPlants.Com but it's pricey. Most of the Ges. Soc. material originates from BrazilPlants.Com. Gesneriads are addictive because many of them stay small, grow quickly from seed, and can bloom within 6 to 9 months of sowing. Probably the most unfortunate thing is that most species lack fragrance. And many species require terrarium culture with high humidity to thrive. Surprisingly many are cold hardy to Zone 8. A rare few are hardy to Zone 6. Dennis in Cincinnati _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: first signs of autumn and what's blooming now Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 23:21:07 +0100 Hi, In message <5C45E271-6699-43E5-9182-3298D9D67AAD@gmail.com>, M. Gastil- Buhl writes >One large bright yellow Dahlia has been blooming for a couple months. Different climate, but it has been a good summer for Dahlias - "Otto's Thrill"' has been this years favourite, it is currently a mass of pink 10 inch flowers. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/DahliaCultivars#otto Tiger lilies and crocosmia are towards the end of their flowering season. >I am seeing the first signs of autumn. Cyclamen hederifolium has been flowering for a week or two. Nerine angustifolia are flowering, and Nerine bowdenii flowers are about to open. -- David Pilling (North West England) email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: first signs of autumn and what's blooming now Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:01:40 -0700 Here in Portland, Oregon, a little light rain has fallen in the past few days, but another hot, dry period is forecast for next week, so I'm not giving the summer-dry bulbs a drink quite yet. My rule is that they should never be hot and wet at the same time. Before they're ready to be soaked, I'm going to sprinkle some dry aged cow manure over the gravel top-dressing so the water can wash it in a bit. The best show today is provided by Cyclamen graecum, now settled for one year in its raised bed built up with tufa (calcium carbonate rock). Cyclamen hederifolium, a basic garden subject in this area, is also in bloom here and there, especially in the impoverished soil under large Douglas firs. Prospero autumnalis is flowering in the rock garden (I have two collections, one much bluer than the other) along with several Colchicum species and, of course, the lovely little weed Acis autumnalis. Colchicum x agrippinum is attractive in border and turf; fortunately the grass is still too dormant to need mowing, since I don't "do lawns." In the bulb house only a dozen or so Colchicum species are in flower, whether on the moist side or the dry side. They don't need moisture to trigger blooming. Soon to open are Scilla obtusifolia and Scilla intermedia, probably now called Barnardia; these may be conspecific and certainly look as if they should be. Scilla, or Barnardia, japonica (syn. S. scilloides) has just finished in the garden. The latter plant is widely grown under the misnomer Scilla numidica, which probably happened when somebody sent seed to an exchange under the fond hope that he was growing the North African plant. Another PBS member has asked me for information on distinguishing them (they are similar-looking but at least one botanist has written that they should be in different genera, now that Scilla has been split up), but although Barnardia numidica (Scilla numidica) has a very wide range in nature, I can't find a technical description of it online, except probably on the loathed Springerlink. I'm not intent enough on this problem to drive to the college library to access the latter. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Thu, 05 Sep 2013 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1378428206.89366.YahooMailNeo@web121306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: first signs of autumn and what's blooming now Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) I've gotten reports of Cyclamen graecum  blooming in two Alexandria , Virginia gardens (plants growing outside all year) and also here in my Maryland garden (plants in a cold frame). These are plants distributed by John Lonsdale in 2010. So far, the only colchicums to show signs of bloom here are C. x agrippinum Old Portland garden form and C. byzantinum.  x Amarcrinum is blooming, as is Lycoris aurea of commerce. The latter is a cold frame plant here. It produces foliage in the fall, and in a typical winter the foliage of unprotected plants is destroyed. I wish I knew the identity of this Lycoris.  Arum pictum, which has never bloomed here,  grew very well last year. I dug the corm to remind myself to put it in a better spot. The corm has not yet been replanted, but it's sprouting.  Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA ,USDA zone 7 where, as Mrs. Wilder wrote long ago, September is a summer month.  From codavis@ucdavis.edu Fri, 06 Sep 2013 00:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Colin Davis Subject: Lachenalia sargeantii Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 00:16:41 -0700 To all PBS Lachenaliacs - I have just sent a good amount of offsets of Lachenalia sargeantii to Dell for an upcoming BX. As I will be backpacking in France and Spain for the next couple of months I will not be able to answer any potential questions about this species, and since it behaves markedly different than other members of the genus I thought I would comment. L. sargeantii produces copious amounts of offsets annually, far more than any other I have grown (counted nearly 50 off one mature bulb this year). I have posted a picture of this on the PBS site. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LachenaliaSpeciesSix Also, these offsets can remain stubbornly dormant for however long they see fit (some come up the first year planted, others take years off). As I understand in the wild this species can remain dormant for many years on end, emerging only when fire clears surrounding vegetation and allows this species to flower. I have tried to induce flowering with smoke treatment as well as burning matter on the soil surface, all to no avail. Nevertheless, I have plans for more extensive trials including in-ground treatments, so I hope to crack the code with this species, which is far tougher than the related L. montana. Another interesting bit about this species is that it grows on much longer than the other Lachenalia, well into the heat of summer if given water. I usually get tired of seeing it so force dormancy by withholding water. Curiously though, my plants come up reliably every year, in contrast to their wild brethren. Its the offsets they produce which are finicky about breaking dormancy in fall. They also naturally pull themselves a bit deeper than other Lachenalia (about 6cm), which is an important aspect to pay attention to for all geophytes, especially when repotting. They also require weekly sacrificial lambs, but other than that, they require the same treatment as other Lachenalia. The offsets are a mix from 8 different seed raised parents (judiciously monitored for and protected from Virus), for those who are conservationally-minded like myself. Best of luck with them! Colin From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Fri, 06 Sep 2013 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5229E234.7000603@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Lachenalia sargeantii Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 07:09:56 -0700 Hi Colin: The little offset you gave me a couple of years ago has never sprouted. I still have it, but haven't checked to see if it is actually still there. I never know what to do with bulbs like this, ones that stay dormant. Do you still water in the growing season, or just keep them dry when you see no signs of growth (Tropaeolum also do this). Diana > To all PBS Lachenaliacs - I have just sent a good amount of offsets of > Lachenalia sargeantii to Dell for an upcoming BX. As I will be backpacking > in France and Spain for the next couple of months I will not be able to > answer any potential questions about this species, and since it behaves > markedly different than other members of the genus I thought I would > comment. > > L. sargeantii produces copious amounts of offsets annually, far more than > any other I have grown (counted nearly 50 off one mature bulb this year). I > have posted a picture of this on the PBS site. > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LachenaliaSpeciesSix > > Also, these offsets can remain stubbornly dormant for however long they see > fit (some come up the first year planted, others take years off). As I > understand in the wild this species can remain dormant for many years on > end, emerging only when fire clears surrounding vegetation and allows this > species to flower. I have tried to induce flowering with smoke treatment as > well as burning matter on the soil surface, all to no avail. Nevertheless, > I have plans for more extensive trials including in-ground treatments, so I > hope to crack the code with this species, which is far tougher than the > related L. montana. Another interesting bit about this species is that it > grows on much longer than the other Lachenalia, well into the heat of > summer if given water. I usually get tired of seeing it so force dormancy > by withholding water. Curiously though, my plants come up reliably every > year, in contrast to their wild brethren. Its the offsets they produce > which are finicky about breaking dormancy in fall. They also naturally pull > themselves a bit deeper than other Lachenalia (about 6cm), which is an > important aspect to pay attention to for all geophytes, especially when > repotting. > > They also require weekly sacrificial lambs, but other than that, they > require the same treatment as other Lachenalia. The offsets are a mix from > 8 different seed raised parents (judiciously monitored for and protected > from Virus), for those who are conservationally-minded like myself. Best of > luck with them! > > Colin > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From 64kkmjr@gmail.com Fri, 06 Sep 2013 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: Lachenalia sargeantii Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:53:48 -0700 Colin, being a neophyte I need clarification of sacrificial lambs. Thanks Karl On Sep 6, 2013 12:16 AM, "Colin Davis" wrote: > To all PBS Lachenaliacs - I have just sent a good amount of offsets of > Lachenalia sargeantii to Dell for an upcoming BX. As I will be backpacking > in France and Spain for the next couple of months I will not be able to > answer any potential questions about this species, and since it behaves > markedly different than other members of the genus I thought I would > comment. > > L. sargeantii produces copious amounts of offsets annually, far more than > any other I have grown (counted nearly 50 off one mature bulb this year). I > have posted a picture of this on the PBS site. > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LachenaliaSpeciesSix > > Also, these offsets can remain stubbornly dormant for however long they see > fit (some come up the first year planted, others take years off). As I > understand in the wild this species can remain dormant for many years on > end, emerging only when fire clears surrounding vegetation and allows this > species to flower. I have tried to induce flowering with smoke treatment as > well as burning matter on the soil surface, all to no avail. Nevertheless, > I have plans for more extensive trials including in-ground treatments, so I > hope to crack the code with this species, which is far tougher than the > related L. montana. Another interesting bit about this species is that it > grows on much longer than the other Lachenalia, well into the heat of > summer if given water. I usually get tired of seeing it so force dormancy > by withholding water. Curiously though, my plants come up reliably every > year, in contrast to their wild brethren. Its the offsets they produce > which are finicky about breaking dormancy in fall. They also naturally pull > themselves a bit deeper than other Lachenalia (about 6cm), which is an > important aspect to pay attention to for all geophytes, especially when > repotting. > > They also require weekly sacrificial lambs, but other than that, they > require the same treatment as other Lachenalia. The offsets are a mix from > 8 different seed raised parents (judiciously monitored for and protected > from Virus), for those who are conservationally-minded like myself. Best of > luck with them! > > Colin > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From codavis@ucdavis.edu Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Colin Davis Subject: Lachenalia sargeantii Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:05:50 -0700 Even though some bulbs for whatever reason refuse to come up, they don't seem phased by a continuous supply of water throughout the winter. The problem with these things is the offsets are so small and soil-colored, they are very easy to miss when being checked on. I would just water it as usual and forget about it until they do decide to emerge (if you have the space and patience that is). In terms of the lamb, you might want to save an offering to the gods for keeping Cyrtanthus spiralis alive or setting seed on Worsleya, but it might not hurt when trying to get L. sargeantii to bloom. Sarcasm aside, no sacrificial rituals are necessary to grow this species. Colin On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> wrote: > Colin, being a neophyte I need clarification of sacrificial lambs. Thanks > Karl > On Sep 6, 2013 12:16 AM, "Colin Davis" wrote: > > > To all PBS Lachenaliacs - I have just sent a good amount of offsets of > > Lachenalia sargeantii to Dell for an upcoming BX. As I will be > backpacking > > in France and Spain for the next couple of months I will not be able to > > answer any potential questions about this species, and since it behaves > > markedly different than other members of the genus I thought I would > > comment. > > > > L. sargeantii produces copious amounts of offsets annually, far more than > > any other I have grown (counted nearly 50 off one mature bulb this > year). I > > have posted a picture of this on the PBS site. > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LachenaliaSpeciesSix > > > > Also, these offsets can remain stubbornly dormant for however long they > see > > fit (some come up the first year planted, others take years off). As I > > understand in the wild this species can remain dormant for many years on > > end, emerging only when fire clears surrounding vegetation and allows > this > > species to flower. I have tried to induce flowering with smoke treatment > as > > well as burning matter on the soil surface, all to no avail. > Nevertheless, > > I have plans for more extensive trials including in-ground treatments, > so I > > hope to crack the code with this species, which is far tougher than the > > related L. montana. Another interesting bit about this species is that it > > grows on much longer than the other Lachenalia, well into the heat of > > summer if given water. I usually get tired of seeing it so force dormancy > > by withholding water. Curiously though, my plants come up reliably every > > year, in contrast to their wild brethren. Its the offsets they produce > > which are finicky about breaking dormancy in fall. They also naturally > pull > > themselves a bit deeper than other Lachenalia (about 6cm), which is an > > important aspect to pay attention to for all geophytes, especially when > > repotting. > > > > They also require weekly sacrificial lambs, but other than that, they > > require the same treatment as other Lachenalia. The offsets are a mix > from > > 8 different seed raised parents (judiciously monitored for and protected > > from Virus), for those who are conservationally-minded like myself. Best > of > > luck with them! > > > > Colin > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <592387.16963.bm@smtp238.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 345 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 19:43:12 +0000 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 345" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Jim Shields: 1. Seeds of Haemanthus humilis subsp. humilis 2. Small bulbs of Hippeastrum aglaiae, cream form, (Doran clone A x Doran clone C) (few) 3. Seed of Zephyranthes longifolia (syn Habranthus longifolius) 4. Seed of Nerine krigei, mixed pink and red 5. Seeds of Hymenocallis glauca (few) 6. Seeds of Hymenocallis howardii (few) From Dave Boucher: 7. Seed of Hymenocallis glauca (few) From Jim Waddick and Jim Murrain: 8. Seed of Dracunculus vulgaris, mixed From Bob Hoel: 9. Near Blooming size bulbs of Hippeastrum papilio à SPECIAL PRICE: $7 EACH. Order multiples if you want them. From Monica Swartz: BULBS: 7. Ferraria crispa, “Form A” 8. Ferraria crispa, dark form 9. Ferraria schaeferi 10. Moraea polystachya From Mary Sue Ittner: 11. Bulbs of Hyacinthoides lingulata - summer dormant, fall blooming, starting to form new roots 12. Bulbs of Nothoscordum sp. (from Harry Hay seed labeled Nothoscordum ostenii, but with white flowers). http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Nothoscordum#sp From Nhu Nguyen: BULBS: 15. Allium amplectens 16. Allium campanulatum - Southern Sierra Nevada form 17. Allium unifolium - nice and typically robust, good in the ground 18. Babiana nana - grown from Silverhill seeds 19. Brodiaea elegans 20. Brodiaea minor 21. Brodiaea pallida 22. Calochortus luteus 23. Calochortus uniflorus 24. Calochortus vestae 25. Dichelostemma multiflorum 26. Ferraria crispa 27. Gladiolus liliaceus 28. Gladiolus trichonemifolius 29. Gladiolus tristis 30. Lachenalia purpureo-caerulea 31. Lachenalia unifolia 32. Moraea tripetala 33. Romulea tortuosa - non curly leaf form 34. Scilla ramburei From Larry Neel: 35. Bulbs of Erythronium ‘Pagoda’ From Mike Mace: BULBS: 36. Lachenalia arbuthnotiae 37. Lachenalia mutabilis 38. Lachenalia rosea 39. Lachenalia species (probably L. arbuthnotiae) 40. Lachenalia viridiflora (unspotted leaves) Thank you, Jim, Dave, Jims, Bob, Monica, Mary Sue, Nhu, Larry, and Mike !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From michaelcmace@gmail.com Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <008201ceab3e$94e39d30$beaad790$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Lachenalia sargeantii Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:20:49 -0700 I wanted to mention a couple of things. First, a huge thank-you to Colin for sharing those offsets. As far as I know, L. sargeantii has been almost unknown in cultivation. Sometimes collectors find it tempting to hoard something rare, or to sell it at a very exclusive price rather than giving it away. I'm not trying to judge anybody, and I'm not criticizing the nurseries that sell plants at accessible prices. But I feel like we're ultimately custodians of the things we grow, rather than owners, and I think it's important to make sure they get into circulation. Second, the mystery of what motivates this species to grow will be a great one for all of us to explore together. Thanks to Colin's generosity, it's going to be grown in a variety of conditions with different weather patterns, growing habits, etc. Let's share information on what we learn. To get us all started, here's a little bit of info... --I had the opportunity to try a few L. sargeantii offsets last year, and my experience was just like Colin's. Most of the offsets didn't sprout at all, and I thought I had killed them. Then a few shocked me by sprouting in early March (September for those of you in the southern hemisphere). They kept growing until July, when they gradually went dormant. I don't know if they went dormant naturally at that time, or if the pot got too dry for them. It's hard to keep a pot wet here in July. Diana, I kept watering mine all winter. The ones that sprouted were in heavy sun, and came up much later than most of my other bulbs. --The McMasters have posted a very interesting article on the discovery of the second known population of this species: http://www.africanbulbs.com/page29.html They also sent a note about it to the PBS list: http://goo.gl/tP377O The article says they were found on a sandstone ridge near Napier. Checking the climate maps on the wiki, the high ground around Napier is in what I call zone E3, an area that can get more than half an inch of rain a month in the summer. The other location where the bulb is found is near Bredasdorp, which averages 3/4 of an inch of rain (19mm) in its driest summer month. For those of you who know California, a roughly comparable rainfall pattern is Eureka (although Eureka is actually drier). The difference is that Bredasdorp averages about 79F (26C) high temperatures in summer, whereas Eureka averages 64F (18C). The US doesn't have an exact match for this pleasant climate type, but probably you'd come closest if you found a hillside inland from Eureka that's high enough to be above the fog belt but low enough that it wouldn't freeze in winter. In Europe, parts of western coastal Sardinia come close to this climate pattern. In South Africa, the plants grow on the northern side of their hillside, meaning they get a lot of sun, but are sheltered from the local winds (which reportedly blow off the ocean in the south). Anyway, it's not surprising to me that in captivity the bulbs keep growing well into the summer if you water them. That's the sort of climate they're adapted to. I'm hoping Cameron and Rhoda may share some additional tidbits about the species. --There seems to be general agreement that the species flowers heavily in the wild only after its area has been burned. --Kirstenbosch posted an article on the species confirming some of Colin's experience (namely that the species will grow and offset in captivity, but won't bloom). There are some very helpful details on the best soil and watering schedule, but since Kirstenbosch can't make it bloom, I think we shouldn't view anyone's advice as the definitive "right" answer. http://goo.gl/FYo0In Thanks, Colin!! Mike San Jose, CA From othonna@gmail.com Fri, 06 Sep 2013 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: Lachenalia sargeantii Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:03:43 -0700 Michael Mace said "But I feel like we're ultimately custodians of the things we grow, rather than owners, and I think it's important to make sure they get into circulation." I agree wholeheartedly. Whether sold to the highest bidder for an "exclusive price" or given away free to interested parties there is no indication that either route will help a given species (or clone, lineage, etc.) to stay with us in cultivation. A wide range of venues and motivations is both unavoidable and desirable in helping plants persist outside of their natural habitats. Dylan * * From leo@possi.org Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Lachenalia sargeantii Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Karl inquired re Lachenalia sargeantii cultivation: > I need clarification of sacrificial lambs. If you don't have access to lambs, a pair of chickens or turtledoves may often be substituted. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From 64kkmjr@gmail.com Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: Lachenalia sargeantii Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:03:08 -0700 Thanks Leo, I'll be sure to pick one up next week at our local county fair. Karl On Sep 6, 2013 4:47 PM, "Leo A. Martin" wrote: > Karl inquired re Lachenalia sargeantii cultivation: > > > I need clarification of sacrificial lambs. > > If you don't have access to lambs, a pair of chickens or turtledoves may > often be > substituted. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From leo@possi.org Sat, 07 Sep 2013 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <162eb06f4390c8fd4a240697a4fb5e4e.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Info on BX 343-7 Albuca ?sp yellow and green Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 10:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Hello All, In BX 343 was: 7. Albuca sp? yellow and green This is several generations removed from seed originally from the IBS October 2001 seed exchange. The PDF of the offering seems to have been corrupted. This seed was shown there as: f00-094 Albuca sp yellow-green AB-UK where AB-UK refers to A. G. Bailey, England. When I copy the information from the original PDF and paste into different types of documents I get different symbols for the "f" and the dash. The plants do not match anything on our Wiki. They have narrow foliage of a grayish-green. Inflorescences overtop foliage and are tall and narrow, to about 18 inches / 46cm in a 1 gallon / 3.6l container. Flowers are small and narrow, barely opening, and truly not much to look at. I sent the seed because it is about the easiest thing to grow I can imagine and it should help build confidence among seed tyros. It has not spread wildly into nearby containers but I keep it picked. I haven't taken photos but if it returns this season I will try and remember. Oh, and Amoreuxia gonzalezii seed is ripening. There should be a good quantity for the BX. A. palmatifida seems to be far behind its cousin. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From kimcmich@hotmail.com Sat, 07 Sep 2013 23:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 22:48:41 -0700 Greetings, FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling 9-10" diameter Urginea maritima bulbs for $16. -| From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 05:35:11 -0500 Wonder if these are more of the ones advertised by easytogrowbulbs.com? A white variety grown in California originally for the cutflower trade? There's a little associated video on the website, and the soil does seem to be as sandy as the beach would be. If only they had blue flowers....-Cynthia Mueller Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:49 AM, "Kipp McMichael" wrote: > Greetings, > FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling 9-10" diameter Urginea maritima bulbs for $16. > -| _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From santoury@aol.com Sun, 08 Sep 2013 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <8D07AAD45E3E59E-1C60-1CD3D@webmail-m255.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Wow - that's awesome ! I'll pay somebody to send me a bunch! ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants thesilentseed.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Kipp McMichael To: pbs Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 1:49 am Subject: [pbs] Urginea maritima at Home Depot Greetings, FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling 9-10" diameter Urginea maritima bulbs for $16. -| From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 07:28:29 -0700 Greetings, I'll likely be going by Home Depot again today. If they still have some, I can pick up a few for you. They are both large and heavy - so shipping will not be cheap. -| To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > From: santoury@aol.com > Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:20:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [pbs] Urginea maritima at Home Depot > > Wow - that's awesome ! I'll pay somebody to send me a bunch! > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? > santoury@aol.com > The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants > thesilentseed.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kipp McMichael > To: pbs > Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 1:49 am > Subject: [pbs] Urginea maritima at Home Depot > > > Greetings, > FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling 9-10" diameter Urginea maritima > bulbs for $16. > -| _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From santoury@aol.com Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <8D07AB7963B43B3-1C60-1D264@webmail-m255.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 10:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Hi there Send me a private message and we'll talk more about it - thanks! Greetings, I'll likely be going by Home Depot again today. If they still have some, I can pick up a few for you. They are both large and heavy - so shipping will not be cheap. -| To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > From: santoury@aol.com > Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:20:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [pbs] Urginea maritima at Home Depot > > Wow - that's awesome ! I'll pay somebody to send me a bunch! > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? > santoury@aol.com > The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants > thesilentseed.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kipp McMichael > To: pbs > Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 1:49 am > Subject: [pbs] Urginea maritima at Home Depot > > > Greetings, > FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling 9-10" diameter Urginea maritima > bulbs for $16. > -| _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From TalkingPoints@PlantSoup.Com Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nan Sterman Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 07:52:04 -0700 I am sure that these are the easytogrowbulb Urgineas. That is one of their markets. They are grown in Murietta California which is hot and dry!!! In fact, they are grown without any irrigation. I wrote a story about them for the San Diego newspaper last year (one of several I've written on the topic). You can see it here http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/oct/04/standing-tall/all/?print Cynthia, where did you see a video? Nan On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:35 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > Wonder if these are more of the ones advertised by easytogrowbulbs.com? A white variety grown in California originally for the cutflower trade? There's a little associated video on the website, and the soil does seem to be as sandy as the beach would be. If only they had blue flowers....-Cynthia Mueller > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:49 AM, "Kipp McMichael" wrote: > >> Greetings, >> FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling 9-10" diameter Urginea maritima bulbs for $16. >> -|> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ***************************************** Nan Sterman, Plant Soup, Inc TM Garden Journalist • Speaker Gardening Coach • Garden Designer • Horticulture Consultant Host of A Growing Passion on KPBS telelvision in San Diego and online at video.kpbs.org/program/growing-passion Phone 760 634-2902 Mail PO Box 231034, Encinitas, CA 92023 Web www.PlantSoup.com From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:06:47 -0500 The video about these squills is on the easytogrow website, probably inside the text description. Don't remember the grower's name offhand, but he introduces himself in the video. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:52 AM, "Nan Sterman" wrote: > I am sure that these are the easytogrowbulb Urgineas. That is one of their markets. > > They are grown in Murietta California which is hot and dry!!! In fact, they are grown without any irrigation. I wrote a story about them for the San Diego newspaper last year (one of several I've written on the topic). You can see it here http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/oct/04/standing-tall/all/?print > > Cynthia, where did you see a video? > > Nan > > > On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:35 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > >> Wonder if these are more of the ones advertised by easytogrowbulbs.com? A white variety grown in California originally for the cutflower trade? There's a little associated video on the website, and the soil does seem to be as sandy as the beach would be. If only they had blue flowers....-Cynthia Mueller >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:49 AM, "Kipp McMichael" wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling 9-10" diameter Urginea maritima bulbs for $16. >>> -|>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > ***************************************** > Nan Sterman, Plant Soup, Inc TM > Garden Journalist • Speaker > Gardening Coach • Garden Designer • Horticulture Consultant > > Host of A Growing Passion on KPBS telelvision in San Diego and online at video.kpbs.org/program/growing-passion > > Phone 760 634-2902 > Mail PO Box 231034, Encinitas, CA 92023 > Web www.PlantSoup.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Sun, 08 Sep 2013 11:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Urginea Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 12:43:26 -0500 Nan, do you know where a person could purchase a blue-flowered squill? -Cynthia Mueller Sent from my iPhone From plantsman@comcast.net Sun, 08 Sep 2013 13:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <20130908192117.69224E8A6F@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 12:21:04 -0700 Years ago, I saw the Urginea video here: http://www.whitesquill.com/ I don't think it's there now. But YouTube never forgets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgaKaSBnbGE Nathan At 07:52 AM 9/8/2013, you wrote: >I am sure that these are the easytogrowbulb >Urgineas. That is one of their markets. > >They are grown in Murietta California which is >hot and dry!!! In fact, they are grown without >any irrigation. I wrote a story about them for >the San Diego newspaper last year (one of >several I've written on the topic). You can see >it here http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/oct/04/standing-tall/all/?print > >Cynthia, where did you see a video? > >Nan > > >On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:35 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > > > Wonder if these are more of the ones > advertised by easytogrowbulbs.com? A white > variety grown in California originally for the > cutflower trade? There's a little associated > video on the website, and the soil does seem to > be as sandy as the beach would be. If only > they had blue flowers....-Cynthia Mueller > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:49 AM, "Kipp McMichael" wrote: > > > >> Greetings, > >> FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling > 9-10" diameter Urginea maritima bulbs for $16. > >> -| >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > >***************************************** >Nan Sterman, Plant Soup, Inc TM >Garden Journalist • Speaker >Gardening Coach • Garden Designer • Horticulture Consultant > >Host of A Growing Passion on KPBS telelvision in >San Diego and online at video.kpbs.org/program/growing-passion > >Phone 760 634-2902 >Mail PO Box 231034, Encinitas, CA 92023 >Web www.PlantSoup.com > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 08 Sep 2013 13:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Question about Caladium Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 12:52:09 -0700 The PBS website has received an inquiry from an indoor gardener in Qatar who needs help with her Caladium collection. Here is an excerpted copy of her e-mail. Please reply to this forum and I'll forward the information to her. Jane McGary Membership COordinator, PBS Raahat in Qater writes: I live in the Middle East in Qatar and in summer for about 5 months the temperature gets to 45 degree in the daytime so these plants stay indoorsI purchased in April - spring - few Caladiums and planted them in pots indoors...they were doing perfectly fine and all of them had vey large leaves..however we left mid June to Australia and I had. My husband caring for the indoor plants.When we got back at the end of August I found that the pots were sitting in the heat upstairs..I dug up the bulbs with the scraps of withered leaves attached in the pots and repotted them..but two weeks ago and nothing has happened. I placed them near the window...my question is do I need to \'dry out\' or do something to the bulbs before re potting them? Do I need to cover the pots with cling wrap ...do they need to have drying soil? How long before I can see any growth? Also the friend whom I have given the shoots..is she able to split the plant somehow and give me a couple of the stems or will that wreck her plant? Se has gone from the two baby leaves i gave her to 5-7 large and small leaves. My next question is to do with Elephant Ears with gorgeous stripes I bought from a. Nursery 4 days ago. He advised me to water them well when I got home as he had to repot into a smaller pot sell the plant to me plus the plant sat in the back of the car (aircon) but for 2 hours inthe heat. When I got home the plant was fine but I did water it well but since then the dark green waxy leaves have become soft droopy and purple. Yesterday - day 3- I repotted them into a new larger ceramic pot and watered it t tiny tiny amount jsuT to settle it into it new place...however I find that another two leaves have become soft and crinkly at the edges...will it keep becoming more sick or will it recover in a couple days now that I'm not going to water ot anymore and it settles into tis new home? Should I cut of the soft damaged leaves so the plant can focus on the healthy leaves and grow more? If I shd cut of the leaves that have become purple and soft should I cut them at the base or the top? Please do help. Many thanks -- From hoperv@yahoo.com Sun, 08 Sep 2013 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1378671641.97771.YahooMailNeo@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Russ Varnado Subject: 6. Re: Urginea maritima at Home Depot (The Silent Seed) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 13:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Well they went fast.  I tried 3 locations as soon as I say the post.  I'm pretty  sure I know the source and I am going to call them tomorrow.  I'll let everybody know. From TalkingPoints@PlantSoup.Com Sun, 08 Sep 2013 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <808F9F86-3D88-456D-80E3-CB821D959176@PlantSoup.Com> From: Nan Sterman Subject: Urginea Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 15:54:09 -0700 Are you talking about Scilla peruviana? On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > Nan, do you know where a person could purchase a blue-flowered squill? -Cynthia Mueller > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From TalkingPoints@PlantSoup.Com Sun, 08 Sep 2013 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <6169DE73-CFE6-446C-9E34-4D042AC7D04A@PlantSoup.Com> From: Nan Sterman Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 15:56:15 -0700 That's probably Peter Mcrohan. Tall guy with a mustache and usually wearing a cowboy hat. He grows them in Murietta. They are dry grown and its hot as Hades in Murietta this time of year. VERY drought tolerant bulbs! On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > The video about these squills is on the easytogrow website, probably inside the text description. Don't remember the grower's name offhand, but he introduces himself in the video. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:52 AM, "Nan Sterman" wrote: > >> I am sure that these are the easytogrowbulb Urgineas. That is one of their markets. >> >> They are grown in Murietta California which is hot and dry!!! In fact, they are grown without any irrigation. I wrote a story about them for the San Diego newspaper last year (one of several I've written on the topic). You can see it here http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/oct/04/standing-tall/all/?print >> >> Cynthia, where did you see a video? >> >> Nan >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:35 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: >> >>> Wonder if these are more of the ones advertised by easytogrowbulbs.com? A white variety grown in California originally for the cutflower trade? There's a little associated video on the website, and the soil does seem to be as sandy as the beach would be. If only they had blue flowers....-Cynthia Mueller >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:49 AM, "Kipp McMichael" wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling 9-10" diameter Urginea maritima bulbs for $16. >>>> -|>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> >> >> ***************************************** >> Nan Sterman, Plant Soup, Inc TM >> Garden Journalist • Speaker >> Gardening Coach • Garden Designer • Horticulture Consultant >> >> Host of A Growing Passion on KPBS telelvision in San Diego and online at video.kpbs.org/program/growing-passion >> >> Phone 760 634-2902 >> Mail PO Box 231034, Encinitas, CA 92023 >> Web www.PlantSoup.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From hpovey@talk21.com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 01:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1378713204.67880.YahooMailNeo@web87401.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> From: hpovey@talk21.com Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:53:24 +0100 (BST) All parts of this plant are potentiallypoisonous and handling the bulb can induce rashes and maybe breathing difficulties. Especially difficult for eczema and asthma sufferers. Enjoy ,but handle with care. ________________________________ From: Kipp McMichael To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 6:48 Subject: [pbs] Urgineamaritima at Home Depot Greetings,   FYI: Home Depot in the Bay Area is selling 9-10" diameter Urgineamaritima bulbs for $16. -| From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Urginea Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 06:14:27 -0500 Nan, I have always thought Urginea marit. came in both white and blue flowers. I do have blue-flowered Scilla peruviana. -Cynthia Mueller Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Nan Sterman" wrote: > Are you talking about Scilla peruviana? > > On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > >> Nan, do you know where a person could purchase a blue-flowered squill? -Cynthia Mueller >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From TalkingPoints@PlantSoup.Com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <159786C4-14CA-46DB-8071-F42B8D89FCDC@PlantSoup.Com> From: Nan Sterman Subject: Urginea Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 06:35:34 -0700 I've never seen blue fowered Urginea, Cynthia, but I've only seen them grown in California. It could be that there are blue fowered varieties in their native habitat - though if there were, I would think they would be grown in agriculture for cut flowers as well. They were brought to the US to be evaluated for use as a rat poison. The agriculture/horticulture use is incidental…. Nan On Sep 9, 2013, at 4:14 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > Nan, I have always thought Urginea marit. came in both white and blue flowers. I do have blue-flowered Scilla peruviana. -Cynthia Mueller > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Nan Sterman" wrote: > >> Are you talking about Scilla peruviana? >> >> On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: >> >>> Nan, do you know where a person could purchase a blue-flowered squill? -Cynthia Mueller >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Urginea Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:38:23 -0500 Nan, thanks for your comments. I, too, have only thought of them in terms of rat control. I'll put aside thoughts of blue flowers. -Cynthia Mueller Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:35 AM, "Nan Sterman" wrote: > I've never seen blue fowered Urginea, Cynthia, but I've only seen them grown in California. It could be that there are blue fowered varieties in their native habitat - though if there were, I would think they would be grown in agriculture for cut flowers as well. They were brought to the US to be evaluated for use as a rat poison. The agriculture/horticulture use is incidental…. > > Nan > > > On Sep 9, 2013, at 4:14 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > >> Nan, I have always thought Urginea marit. came in both white and blue flowers. I do have blue-flowered Scilla peruviana. -Cynthia Mueller >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Nan Sterman" wrote: >> >>> Are you talking about Scilla peruviana? >>> >>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: >>> >>>> Nan, do you know where a person could purchase a blue-flowered squill? -Cynthia Mueller >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From NSterman@PlantSoup.Com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <76D3D6BA-E2C8-4848-9A68-228D6FE84C4E@PlantSoup.Com> From: Nan Sterman Subject: Urginea Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:41:44 -0700 Cynthia, don't give up on the Urginea as fantastic garden bulbs and absolutely amazing flowers. Well worth growing if you have the right conditions! Nan On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:38 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > Nan, thanks for your comments. I, too, have only thought of them in terms of rat control. I'll put aside thoughts of blue flowers. -Cynthia Mueller > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:35 AM, "Nan Sterman" wrote: > >> I've never seen blue fowered Urginea, Cynthia, but I've only seen them grown in California. It could be that there are blue fowered varieties in their native habitat - though if there were, I would think they would be grown in agriculture for cut flowers as well. They were brought to the US to be evaluated for use as a rat poison. The agriculture/horticulture use is incidental…. >> >> Nan >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2013, at 4:14 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: >> >>> Nan, I have always thought Urginea marit. came in both white and blue flowers. I do have blue-flowered Scilla peruviana. -Cynthia Mueller >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Nan Sterman" wrote: >>> >>>> Are you talking about Scilla peruviana? >>>> >>>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nan, do you know where a person could purchase a blue-flowered squill? -Cynthia Mueller >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> pbs mailing list >>>>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From btankers@gmail.com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Boyce Tankersley Subject: Question about Caladium Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:10:19 -0500 Hi Jane: If the Caladium tubers had their supplemental watering reduced gradually they may have gone into dormancy. However if the water was stopped in the middle of active growth they may be dead. Can your correspondent cut one of the tubers to see if the internal tissues are still moist? If not, there is a slight chance an overnight soak may help bring them back to life - but I doubt it. With respect to the elephant ears, they can stand a great deal of water. Sounds as if the heat gain in the car, even with the air conditioning on, was too great, and the leaves started to cook. I suggest moderate light and lots of water until new leaves start to reappear. Boyce Tankersley On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Jane McGary wrote: > The PBS website has received an inquiry from an indoor gardener in > Qatar who needs help with her Caladium collection. Here is an > excerpted copy of her e-mail. Please reply to this forum and I'll > forward the information to her. > Jane McGary > Membership COordinator, PBS > > Raahat in Qater writes: > I live in the Middle East in Qatar and in summer for about 5 months > the temperature gets to 45 degree in the daytime so these plants stay > indoorsI purchased in April - spring - few Caladiums and planted them > in pots indoors...they were doing perfectly fine and all of them had > vey large leaves..however we left mid June to Australia and I had. My > husband caring for the indoor plants.When we got back at the end of > August I found that the pots were sitting in the heat upstairs..I dug > up the bulbs with the scraps of withered leaves attached in the pots > and repotted them..but two weeks ago and nothing has happened. I > placed them near the window...my question is do I need to \'dry out\' > or do something to the bulbs before re potting them? Do I need to > cover the pots with cling wrap ...do they need to have drying soil? > How long before I can see any growth? Also the friend whom I have > given the shoots..is she able to split the plant somehow and give me > a couple of the stems or will that wreck her plant? Se has gone from > the two baby leaves i gave her to 5-7 large and small leaves. My next > question is to do with Elephant Ears with gorgeous stripes I bought > from a. Nursery 4 days ago. He advised me to water them well when I > got home as he had to repot into a smaller pot sell the plant to me > plus the plant sat in the back of the car (aircon) but for 2 hours > inthe heat. When I got home the plant was fine but I did water it > well but since then the dark green waxy leaves have become soft > droopy and purple. Yesterday - day 3- I repotted them into a new > larger ceramic pot and watered it t tiny tiny amount jsuT to settle > it into it new place...however I find that another two leaves have > become soft and crinkly at the edges...will it keep becoming more > sick or will it recover in a couple days now that I'm not going to > water ot anymore and it settles into tis new home? Should I cut of > the soft damaged leaves so the plant can focus on the healthy leaves > and grow more? If I shd cut of the leaves that have become purple and > soft should I cut them at the base or the top? Please do help. Many thanks > -- > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From elainejek@yahoo.com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1378751880.76783.YahooMailNeo@web125306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Elaine Jek Subject: Desperately seeking: Pink Amaryllis belladonna plant Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:38:00 -0700 (PDT) I'm a botanical illustrator and wanted to paint an Amaryllis belladonna only to hear that the season for the flower is over in my area. Would you have one plant with bulb and budding pink flowers? I will be happy to offer you a print when it is completed. From elainejek@yahoo.com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1378751944.21043.YahooMailNeo@web125305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Elaine Jek Subject: Desperately seeking: Pink Amaryllis belladonna plant Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:39:04 -0700 (PDT)   All the best, -Elaine. ________________________________ From: Elaine Jek To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 11:38 AM Subject: Desperately seeking: Pink Amaryllis belladonna plant I'm a botanical illustrator and wanted to paint an Amaryllis belladonna only to hear that the season for the flower is over in my area. Would you have one plant with bulb and budding pink flowers? I will be happy to offer you a print when it is completed. Please reply to me directly: elainejek@yahoo.com Many thanks! From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 13:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1378754444.48377.YahooMailNeo@web186005.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: Desperately seeking: Pink Amaryllis belladonna plant Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 20:20:44 +0100 (BST) A friend's garden here in the UK has 4 or 5 stems just breaking. Maybe 15 -20 flowers in total. At what stage would you want them to be open, They are quite close together but I might persuade them to be more photogenic. Not that I would describe them as pink, but you can colour them as you wish.   Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone ~8 >________________________________ >From: Elaine Jek >To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" >Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013, 19:38 >Subject: [pbs] Desperately seeking: Pink Amaryllis belladonna plant > > >I'm a botanical illustrator and wanted to paint an Amaryllis belladonna only to hear that the season for the flower is over in my area. Would you have one plant with bulb and budding pink flowers? I will be happy to offer you a print when it is completed. >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From TalkingPoints@PlantSoup.Com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 13:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <29E92A7D-0D36-4AF1-8712-C862F5DB8572@PlantSoup.Com> From: Nan Sterman Subject: Desperately seeking: Pink Amaryllis belladonna plant Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:20:47 -0700 Its over in southern california too ______________________ Nan Sterman Info@plantsoup.com Www.PlantSoup.com Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive the typos. On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Elaine Jek wrote: > I'm a botanical illustrator and wanted to paint an Amaryllis belladonna only to hear that the season for the flower is over in my area. Would you have one plant with bulb and budding pink flowers? I will be happy to offer you a print when it is completed. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From leo@possi.org Mon, 09 Sep 2013 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Urginea maritima at Home Depot Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:26:10 -0700 (PDT) The Home Depot store on east Thomas Road in Phoenix had them a couple of weeks ago. Don't know whether they are still there. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From ang.por@alice.it Mon, 09 Sep 2013 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <14104a32448.ang.por@alice.it> From: "ang.por@alice.it" Subject: R: Urginea maritima Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 23:31:42 +0200 (CEST) A blue Urginea maritima does not exist anywhere in the World ! It is only white, sometime with a pinkish shade. Angelo PorcelliApulia - Italy From petersirises@gmail.com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Urginea Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:46:09 +0100 Scilla maderense, or some of the south african 'Scillas'? Peter (UK) On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > Nan, I have always thought Urginea marit. came in both white and blue > flowers. I do have blue-flowered Scilla peruviana. -Cynthia Mueller > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Nan Sterman" > wrote: > > > Are you talking about Scilla peruviana? > > > > On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Cynthia Mueller > wrote: > > > >> Nan, do you know where a person could purchase a blue-flowered squill? > -Cynthia Mueller > From leo@possi.org Mon, 09 Sep 2013 16:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Question about Caladium Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:26:59 -0700 (PDT) > indoor gardener in > Qatar who needs help with her Caladium collection. Hello Raahat, I live in Phoenix, Arizona, USA, and our temperatures are almost the same as yours. Your plants didn't get enough water. They need to be stay moist when they are growing. The new elephant's ear probably also needs a lot of water. Most people water them almost every day when they are growing. They grow better with lots of fertilizer. Caladiums grow well inside or outside between 20 degrees and 50 degrees but they need to stay moist or wet when growing. They do not mind low humidity. Outside they can be in containers or in the ground. They grow outside in bright shade, in mixed shade and sun as under a tree with sparse foliage, or with a half day's sun. Inside they do best with as much light as possible. In Florida in the US they are grown commercially in fields in full sun where temperatures are around 30-40 during the summer, but the humidity is high. If caladiums get much below about 17 degrees for any length of time they usually die, even when they are dormant. Caladiums normally grow for a period of several months. When the leaves start to look old you can let them dry out and go dormant. You can move them into another container, if you wish, when they are leafless and dormant. You can also leave them in the same container. Leave them dry for a few weeks to a few months, then water them again and they will grow if it is warm enough. This group of plants forms new shoots from the top of the tuber. They need to grow for a period of time to replenish the tuber before they go dormant. If they don't get enough water before the the tuber is replenished they may die. Yours grew from April to June before they dried out, so they might just be dormant. You are doing the right thing to water them. Keep them moist and do not let them dry out. If they are alive they should grow within about a month. You do not need to put plastic over the soil. However, they might be dead. Your friend can divide her plant when it is dormant and give some to you. She could also try to divide it while it is growing, but waiting until it is dormant would be safer. When temperatures begin to cool in the fall your friend can stop watering her plant. The leaves will die down. About two weeks after the soil is dry she can empty the container and remove the tubers. Store tubers dry, above 20 degrees, and in the dark. You can replant them right away if you have a warm place for them to grow, or wait a few months. I am not certain what the other plant is, but it sounds like a relative of the Caladium. There are several plants called elephant's ear. They are related to taro, grown as food in southeast Asia and Polynesia. Some have pure green leaves, and others have colored leaves. If you can buy fresh whole taro root at a food market you can grow that in a container. It is a beautiful plant. Here in the USA many markets catering to Filipinos and Chinese sell taro. Your plant might also be a Philodendron. Look up Philodendron online and see; this plant doesn't need as much water as the elephant's ear. I expect your elephant's ear will survive. All these plants need a lot of water. When the shopkeeper put it into a smaller container some of the roots were damaged. The leaves may suffer more damage until the roots grow enough to supply water to the plant. Continue to water so it stays moist. When you water make sure all the soil is wet. You may cut off the dead leaves at the base. Some Caladium relatives need high humidity. If this is one of those plants it may continue to have brown edges on the leaves. Another concern is the amount of salt in your water. Elephant's ears and taro often have brown leaf edges if there are a lot of dissolved salts in the water. Our water here in Phoenix is desert water and this happens here. Caladium is not affected like this. Caldium and elephant's ear bulbs are often sold at garden centers in the late winter and spring. Dutch and American growers produce them. Good luck with your plants. > I live in the Middle East in Qatar and in summer > for about 5 months the temperature gets to 45 degrees > in the daytime so these plants stay indoors. > I purchased in April - spring - few Caladiums > and planted them in pots indoors... they were doing > perfectly fine and all of them had very large leaves. > However, we left mid June to Australia.... When we got > back at the end of August I found that the pots > were sitting in the heat upstairs... I dug up the > bulbs with the scraps of withered leaves attached in > the pots and repotted them... but two weeks ago and > nothing has happened. I placed them near the window... > my question is do I need to \'dry out\' or do > something to the bulbs before re potting them? No, if they are alive you should keep them moist. > Do I need to cover the pots with cling wrap? This isn't necessary. > Do they need to have drying soil? No, caladiums need to stay moist when growing. When they are dormant they can be dry. > How long before I can see any growth? They should grow within a month if they are still alive. > Also the friend whom I have given the shoots... > is she able to split the plant somehow and give > me a couple of the stems or will that wreck her plant? > She has gone from the two baby leaves i gave her to > 5-7 large and small leaves. It would be better to wait until her plants are dormant, as described above. > My next question is to do with Elephant Ears with > gorgeous stripes I bought from a nursery 4 days ago. > He advised me to water them well when I got home as > he had to repot into a smaller pot sell the plant to > me plus the plant sat in the back of the car (aircon) > but for 2 hours in the heat. Try and find out what the plant is and look on the Internet for it. The air conditioned car was not a problem. The plant lost some roots when he repotted it. > When I got home the plant was fine but I did water it > well but since then the dark green waxy leaves have > become soft droopy and purple. This is probably because the damaged roots aren't providing enough water. > Yesterday - day 3- I repotted them into a new > larger ceramic pot and watered it a tiny tiny amount > just to settle it into it new place... however I find > that another two leaves have become soft and crinkly > at the edges... will it keep becoming more sick or > will it recover in a couple days now that I'm not > going to water it anymore and it settles into its new > home? I would give it a lot of water and completely soak the soil. This kind of plant usually needs to stay moist. > Should I cut off the soft damaged leaves so the plant > can focus on the healthy leaves and grow more? > If I should cut of the leaves that have become purple > and soft should I cut them at the base or the top? You can cut off any part of the dead leaves. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From rherold@yahoo.com Mon, 09 Sep 2013 20:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <522E8775.3020409@yahoo.com> From: Roy Herold Subject: Urginea: The Cheapest Bulb in the World? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 22:44:05 -0400 The recent discussion about the Home Depot urginea has me wondering if they might be the cheapest bulb in the world, in terms of dollars per kilogram (or pound)? Are the 'narcissus for naturalizing' cheaper? What about 'alliums for eating'? Tubers/rhizomes excluded--potatoes, turnips, etc don't count... Slightly off topic, is it possible that Cynthia's blue urginea might be Scilla natalensis (Merwilla plumbaea)? These bulbs can certainly get to a similar size, and have nice blue flowers. --Roy NW of Boston Where lots of cheap cyclamen are blooming (never paid more than ten cents for a seed), and where Scilla natalensis (free seeds) will probably never bloom... From klamathkelley@gmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 04:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karen Kelley Subject: Desperately seeking: Pink Amaryllis belladonna plant Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 04:09:53 -0700 These plants are still blooming in our area. How would I get one to you? On Sep 9, 2013 11:39 AM, "Elaine Jek" wrote: > > > > All the best, > -Elaine. > > > ________________________________ > From: Elaine Jek > To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" > Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 11:38 AM > Subject: Desperately seeking: Pink Amaryllis belladonna plant > > > > I'm a botanical illustrator and wanted to paint an Amaryllis belladonna > only to hear that the season for the flower is over in my area. Would you > have one plant with bulb and budding pink flowers? I will be happy to offer > you a print when it is completed. > > Please reply to me directly: elainejek@yahoo.com Many thanks! > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Urginea: The Cheapest Bulb in the World? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 06:31:30 -0500 If Scilla natalensis has blue flowers, I will bite! Now, does anyone know of a good source? -Cynthia Mueller, College Station, Tx Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:52 PM, "Roy Herold" wrote: > The recent discussion about the Home Depot urginea has me wondering if > they might be the cheapest bulb in the world, in terms of dollars per > kilogram (or pound)? Are the 'narcissus for naturalizing' cheaper? What > about 'alliums for eating'? > > Tubers/rhizomes excluded--potatoes, turnips, etc don't count... > > Slightly off topic, is it possible that Cynthia's blue urginea might be > Scilla natalensis (Merwilla plumbaea)? These bulbs can certainly get to > a similar size, and have nice blue flowers. > > --Roy > NW of Boston > Where lots of cheap cyclamen are blooming (never paid more than ten > cents for a seed), and where Scilla natalensis (free seeds) will > probably never bloom... > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From soniakehoe@gmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 06:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: sonia kehoe Subject: contents of pbs digest Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:46:57 -0300 Dear pbs' people, I'm very sorry , I do not write english till many years ago but I can read and understand very well. If you allow me to write spanish, I will be very happy to answer all your requests. Sincerely, Sonia Kehoe From greg@alpacamanagement.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 06:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <89BFE07ECAFB4C4091F197E249D601CE@greg32d9eee6c2> From: "Greg Ruckert" Subject: Urginea: The Cheapest Bulb in the World? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:18:53 +0930 I had a similar thought today as I drove past my clump of Merwilla thrusting their flower spikes upwards, doing a good impersination of Urginea but with leaves. Greg Ruckert Nairne South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Mueller" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Urginea: The Cheapest Bulb in the World? > If Scilla natalensis has blue flowers, I will bite! Now, does anyone know > of a good source? -Cynthia Mueller, College Station, Tx > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:52 PM, "Roy Herold" wrote: > >> The recent discussion about the Home Depot urginea has me wondering if >> they might be the cheapest bulb in the world, in terms of dollars per >> kilogram (or pound)? Are the 'narcissus for naturalizing' cheaper? What >> about 'alliums for eating'? >> >> Tubers/rhizomes excluded--potatoes, turnips, etc don't count... >> >> Slightly off topic, is it possible that Cynthia's blue urginea might be >> Scilla natalensis (Merwilla plumbaea)? These bulbs can certainly get to >> a similar size, and have nice blue flowers. >> >> --Roy >> NW of Boston >> Where lots of cheap cyclamen are blooming (never paid more than ten >> cents for a seed), and where Scilla natalensis (free seeds) will >> probably never bloom... >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From gastil.buhl@gmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <30701A2B-EDCF-41FB-8CAD-9BCE746B55C8@gmail.com> From: M. Gastil-Buhl Subject: Photos of seed's mother plant as reassurance of correct ID Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:21:39 -0700 Here are my own photos of the mother plants of seeds and corms on their way to the PBS BX. Aristea capitata seed Evergreen leaves, May bloom, blue original plant from Annies Annuals http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Aristea#capitata A. capitata blue is true blue, as in MSI's photo. The color balance is wrong in my photo. Stalk 4.5 feet tall, upper foot covered with buds and blooms. and http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/sets/72157635469608014/ Moraea bellendenii corms Winter grower, April bloom, bright yellow original corms from Mike Mace http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MoraeaSpeciesTwo#bellendenii and http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/sets/72157633226148750/with/8642593753/ Gladiolus italicus corms and seed Winter grower, April bloom, magenta http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MiscellaneousGladiolus#italicus and http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/sets/72157633201967248/with/8635362860/ Lately I have come to value seeing a photo of the actual mother plant of seed. In some cases my photos are not as clear as others' photos, but the value here is the definite connection between the image and the offered material. The offered seeds and corms were gathered from exactly the plants seen in these photos. Especially with seeds, it can take years before we see what we got. So far everything I have received from the PBS BX has been as labeled, as far as I can tell so far from bulbs which have bloomed. Keeping records, written and photographic, takes time and patience and I don't always succeed with that, as evidenced by a charming tiny pink bud of... something... this morning with double label failure: both buried and top labels are illegible. One can only try! - Gastil From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1378827052.63354.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Photos of seed's mother plant as reassurance of correct ID Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:30:52 -0700 (PDT) OK, Gastil has done it again: how do the rest of us include images in our postings?  Jim McKenney From leo@possi.org Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: <808c44b7bb0d7d904285d519fcd17a1b.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Urginea: The Cheapest Bulb in the World? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Roy wrote > ...urginea.... has me wondering if they might be > the cheapest bulb in the world, in terms of dollars > per kilogram (or pound)? Onions. At a local market onions are 50 pounds for $7.99, 16 US cents per pound, which price is 35 US cents per kilogram, or 26 euro cents per kilogram (at 1.3261 euro per dollar according to the Wall Street Journal Web site right now.) At an online mass market bulb dealer, daffodils 25 pounds / 11.36kg for $126.69 including shipping, $5.07 per pound, $2.30 per kilogram, euro 1.73 per kilogram. The Urginea could not have weighed more than 5 pounds / 2.27kg for $16, $3.20 per pound, $7.05 per kilogram, euro 5.32 per kilogram. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From leo@possi.org Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: <229be1c934881172831964a05c6d6bbb.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: contents of pbs digest Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Sonia wrote > english... I can read and understand very well. > If you allow me to write spanish, I will be very > happy to answer all your requests. Many people here read Spanish. We will be happy to translate your messages for people who do not read Spanish. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From michaelcmace@gmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: <006601ceae45$0df92010$29eb6030$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Moraea bellendenii Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:44:42 -0700 Gastil wrote: >> Moraea bellendenii corms...original corms from Mike Mace Actually, they originally came from Mr. Moraea, Bob Werra. M. bellendenii is a delightful plant. It blooms a bit later in spring than most other Moraeas, and the flowers are not huge. But it's tall, and blooms for a fairly long time. The flower color ranges from pale yellow to bright yellow. I think the bright yellow ones are especially nice. Mike San Jose, CA From gastil.buhl@gmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: From: "M. Gastil-Buhl" Subject: How to link images to postings Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:08:34 -0700 To include a link to an image with a message to the PBS mail list, use a URL pointing to that image. For some, when an email is viewed the URL appears as an image. For others, the URL will appear as a link. The actual image is not "attached", but just linked-to. In my message today, I pasted in some URLs to Flickr and to the PBS wiki. Here is how I do that: (1) This assumes your image is already available online, such as at Flickr, Picassa, Facebook, SmugMug, a blog or anywhere on the web and is publicly viewable. (2) I open a separate browser window and navigate to my image on the web which I want to appear. (3) In the URL bar at the top of the browser, I highlight the whole URL, and right-click and select "Copy" from the pop-up menu. (Same for Firefox, Chrome and Safari) (4) Then, in the text of the mail message I am composing to the PBS list, I paste in that URL by placing the cursor and right-clicking again, this time choosing "Paste". Jim might be asking a different question. He might be asking how do I get my photos included in the PBS wiki. There are two ways: (A) Ask a wiki editor to post it for you, by emailing us off-list or using the Contact form. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/contact.html?contact=wikieditor (B) Read the How-To page on the wiki. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/UsingThisWiki The reason most of my photos are on Flickr instead of the wiki is because I only add a photo to the wiki if it contributes a new piece of information. That may merely be the same species growing in a different climate, or with a pollinator, or some additional aspect of the plant growth such as leaves, bulbs, pods or seeds. - Gastil From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1378845459.56013.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: How to link images to postings Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Thanks, Gastil. I asked because the images linked in your two most recent emails were apparent as the message opened: I did not have to click on a link or do anything - they opened spontaneously. This is what many of us have wanted to do for years with the PBS list. I'll try this later today.  Jim McKenney From kimcmich@hotmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: How to link images to postings Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:52:03 -0700 Jim, Modern email readers tend to be quite smart these days. Many of them now scan the email for linked/attached content and show previews. This is entirely a function of the email reader and not the way the email is composed. It may be the case that some photo-sharing sites assist in giving these previews such that not just any included URL to an image will result in a proper preview. I think I've noticed that links to my own web domain where I have uploaded images do not show previews - but people linked in flickr do have previews... -| From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: Photos of seed's mother plant as reassurance of correct ID Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:54:17 -0700 Gastil, you really know how to get us all fired up for an up coming BX. Thanks for the great images & the thoughts in your comments. Karl Church On Sep 10, 2013 8:21 AM, "M. Gastil-Buhl" wrote: > Here are my own photos of the mother plants of seeds and corms on > their way to the PBS BX. > > Aristea capitata seed > Evergreen leaves, May bloom, blue > original plant from Annies Annuals > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Aristea#capitata > A. capitata blue is true blue, as in MSI's photo. The color balance is > wrong in my photo. > Stalk 4.5 feet tall, upper foot covered with buds and blooms. > and > http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/sets/72157635469608014/ > > Moraea bellendenii corms > Winter grower, April bloom, bright yellow > original corms from Mike Mace > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MoraeaSpeciesTwo#bellendenii > and > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/sets/72157633226148750/with/8642593753/ > > Gladiolus italicus corms and seed > Winter grower, April bloom, magenta > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MiscellaneousGladiolus#italicus > and > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/sets/72157633201967248/with/8635362860/ > > Lately I have come to value seeing a photo of the actual mother plant > of seed. In some cases my photos are not as clear as others' photos, > but the value here is the definite connection between the image and > the offered material. The offered seeds and corms were gathered from > exactly the plants seen in these photos. Especially with seeds, it can > take years before we see what we got. So far everything I have > received from the PBS BX has been as labeled, as far as I can tell so > far from bulbs which have bloomed. Keeping records, written and > photographic, takes time and patience and I don't always succeed with > that, as evidenced by a charming tiny pink bud of... something... this > morning with double label failure: both buried and top labels are > illegible. One can only try! > > - Gastil > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From randysgarden@gmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Randall P. Linke" Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 345 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:21:55 -0700 Hello Dell, I should probably have my head examined, but here is my wish list... > > 4. Seed of Nerine krigei, mixed pink and red > 5. Seeds of Hymenocallis glauca (few) *or* 7 Seed of Hymenocallis > glauca (few) > 6. Seeds of Hymenocallis howardii (few) > > BULBS: > > 8. Ferraria crispa, dark form > 9. Ferraria schaeferi > 30. Lachenalia purpureo-caerulea > 35. Bulbs of Erythronium ‘Pagoda’ > 36. Lachenalia arbuthnotiae > 37. Lachenalia mutabilis > 38. Lachenalia rosea > > Thank you, Randy Linke 1005 E. Roy Street, Apt 6 Seattle, WA 98102 -- * * * * From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1378852120.56668.YahooMailNeo@web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Would the Lycoris experts please take a look at this and let me know what they think? It was purchased years ago from a mass market mail order catalog as Lycoris aurea. I did not expect it to be Lycoris aurea, and now that I've seen it in bloom descriptions of Lycoris aurea suggest that it is not that species. But what is it? Is this Lycoris traubii? It's about twenty inches high.  Take a look here: http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2013_09_01_archive.html Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1378852800.41695.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 345 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Oh, don't worry, Randy, you won't get them all.  ;<{)) >________________________________ >From: Randall P. Linke >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:21 PM >Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 345 > > >Hello Dell, > >I should probably have my head examined, but here is my wish list... > >> >> 4.      Seed of Nerine krigei, mixed pink and red >> 5.      Seeds of Hymenocallis glauca (few) *or* 7 Seed of Hymenocallis >> glauca (few) >> 6.      Seeds of Hymenocallis howardii (few) >> >> BULBS: >> >> 8.      Ferraria crispa, dark form >> 9.      Ferraria schaeferi >> 30. Lachenalia purpureo-caerulea >> 35. Bulbs of Erythronium ‘Pagoda’ >> 36. Lachenalia arbuthnotiae >> 37. Lachenalia mutabilis >> 38. Lachenalia rosea >> >> >Thank you, >Randy Linke >1005 E. Roy Street, Apt 6 >Seattle, WA  98102 > >-- >* >* >* >* >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1378854813.67597.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: test Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:13:33 -0700 (PDT) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XTRk6CHsE8E/Ui-Nl_tCLRI/AAAAAAAACyk/EStFNooTXgQ/s1600/Lycoris+aurea+mercatorum+IMG_0046_1.JPG  From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1378855371.30002.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: BX 345 Closed Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:22:51 -0700 (PDT) All gone. Packages should go out in a week or so.I have not responded to any of you yet; the orders came in such a rush.   Enjoy, Dell From kimcmich@hotmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:26:50 -0700 Jim, Looks like your account has been hacked. You need to change your email password and make sure the "reply-to" setting in your email account settings is set to the proper address. -| Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:28:40 -0700 > From: > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris > > > > Would the Lycoris experts please take a look at this and let me know what they think? It was purchased years ago from a mass market mail order catalog as Lycoris aurea. I did not expect it to be Lycoris aurea, and now that I've seen it in bloom descriptions of Lycoris aurea suggest that it is not that species. But what is it? Is this Lycoris traubii? It's about twenty inches high. > > Take a look here: > > http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2013_09_01_archive.html > > > Jim McKenney > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From kellso@irvincentral.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <522FB091.2080300@irvincentral.com> From: Kelly Irvin Subject: Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:51:45 -0500 Go to this link, Jim, and scroll down to "Gardener's Notes". http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/142854/ Some distinctions are made there that might give you some clues. Nice picture you took. Mr. Kelly M. Irvin 10850 Hodge Ln Gravette, AR 72736 USA 479-787-9958 USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b On 9/10/13 5:28 PM, Jim McKenney wrote: > But what is it? Is this Lycoris traubii? It's about twenty inches high. > > Take a look here: > > http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2013_09_01_archive.html > > > Jim McKenney > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From raymond_schuck@hotmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: raymond schuck Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 345 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:15:32 -0500 Hi,I would like a Item no. 2 if still available.Thanks,Ray Schuck From Tony@plantdelights.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:56:49 -0400 The flower looks right for L. aurea, chinensis, and L. traubii. The key for me to distinguish them are the leaves, as L. aurea are quite distinctive and the first species leaves to emerge in September. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Gardens 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina  27603  USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website  http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax  919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Kipp McMichael Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:27 PM To: jamesamckenney@verizon.net; pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris Jim, Looks like your account has been hacked. You need to change your email password and make sure the "reply-to" setting in your email account settings is set to the proper address. -| Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:28:40 -0700 > From: > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris > > > > Would the Lycoris experts please take a look at this and let me know what they think? It was purchased years ago from a mass market mail order catalog as Lycoris aurea. I did not expect it to be Lycoris aurea, and now that I've seen it in bloom descriptions of Lycoris aurea suggest that it is not that species. But what is it? Is this Lycoris traubii? It's about twenty inches high. > > Take a look here: > > http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2013_09_01_archive.html > > > Jim McKenney > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From nickplummer@gmail.com Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <64166F92-38E0-4DC0-A97F-33C4A3038DF8@gmail.com> From: Nicholas Plummer Subject: Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:59:25 -0400 Hi Jim, You mentioned that you use a cold frame for marginally hardy plants like the L. aurea. Could you tell us about its design or point me to the archive if you have already done so? I'm also in zone 7 and am thinking of building a cold frame for things that won't survive outside unprotected but wouldn't do well in my tropical greenhouse. Is the cold frame vented automatically somehow, or do you prop it open on sunny days? Are the plants only housed in it during the winter, or does it keep the rain off dormant plants in summer? Are the plants in pots or in the ground? Thanks, Nick -- Nicholas Plummer Durham, NC Zone 7 From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1378863378.59494.YahooMailNeo@web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:36:18 -0700 (PDT) I'll be glad to do that, Nick.  First of all, to get a general idea of what I did, take a look here:  http://www.jimmckenney.com/a_protected_cold_frame.htm That should give you a good idea of what I did - as you can see, nothing expensive or fancy.  I've had many unexpected successes in this simple frame, and I attribute most of them to the siting of the frame: it's against a house wall facing SSW. Apparently it either never freezes within this frame or many plants which I think of as tender actually take some freezing. During extremely cold periods I've seen frost on the inside of the glass, but I've never seen signs of frost or freezing on the plants themselves (unless the leaves touch the glass).  I like to tell people that simple cold frames like this one are a lot like dogs: they pretty much take care of themselves, but they definitely need attention at least two times a day. The glass is propped open daily, even in freezing weather (just a tiny bit) and on mild days (much more). NEVER allow sun to strike a closed cold frame. If you have to be away during the day, cover the frame with an opaque tarp or something similar. Even in the dead of winter, sunlight striking the closed frame will quickly send the temperature soaring, enough to kill some plants outright and to damage the foliage of those not killed.  At  the end of the day the glass is let down. If the weather is severe, after the glass is put down the entire frame is covered with a two-ply plastic tarp. Because the frame is sited against the house, it gets whatever heat seeps from the house foundation. I suspect that this is a significant factor in the success I've had. In really severe weather (those periods when the day time temperature does not get above freezing and the night time temperature hovers down into the single digits F, I'll leave the frames covered with the tarps for days at a time.  For the summer, the glass is opened from the back side (i.e. the side against the house wall): this, and the fact that the frame is in the rain shadow of the house, keeps out rain. Some of the plants are grown in pots, others are rooted in the ground.  I have two of these frames - they are managed a bit differently since one contains mostly summer dormant plants, the other contains tender plants which are summer active.  I've frankly been amazed at what I can get away with with these frames. I've been able to grow and flower plants here which in the past I would have said were impossible in our climate. The frames are a daily bother, but it's worth it. The only regret I have is that there are only two frames, and they total only eighteen square feet each.  Curiously, I've never had a desire for a greenhouse. But when I'm out working with my frames I'm as happy as can be.  I have not tried the automatic frame openers.  Email me privately if you have more questions - or post them to the list if you think others might be interested.  Durham isn't that much different than Montgomery County, MD, so you should be able to repeat my successes and no doubt add more of your own.   From kimcmich@hotmail.com Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:11:55 -0700 Jim, I think I mistook your image test on your part for a spam/email hack. A one-word subject and a ling/weird URL are classic hack formats. -| Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:36:18 -0700 > From: jamesamckenney@verizon.net > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Yellow somewhat tender Lyroris > > > > I'll be glad to do that, Nick. > > First of all, to get a general idea of what I did, take a look here: > > http://www.jimmckenney.com/a_protected_cold_frame.htm > > > That should give you a good idea of what I did - as you can see, nothing expensive or fancy. > > I've had many unexpected successes in this simple frame, and I attribute most of them to the siting of the frame: it's against a house wall facing SSW. Apparently it either never freezes within this frame or many plants which I think of as tender actually take some freezing. During extremely cold periods I've seen frost on the inside of the glass, but I've never seen signs of frost or freezing on the plants themselves (unless the leaves touch the glass). > > I like to tell people that simple cold frames like this one are a lot like dogs: they pretty much take care of themselves, but they definitely need attention at least two times a day. The glass is propped open daily, even in freezing weather (just a tiny bit) and on mild days (much more). NEVER allow sun to strike a closed cold frame. If you have to be away during the day, cover the frame with an opaque tarp or something similar. Even in the dead of winter, sunlight striking the closed frame will quickly send the temperature soaring, enough to kill some plants outright and to damage the foliage of those not killed. > > At the end of the day the glass is let down. If the weather is severe, after the glass is put down the entire frame is covered with a two-ply plastic tarp. Because the frame is sited against the house, it gets whatever heat seeps from the house foundation. I suspect that this is a significant factor in the success I've had. In really severe weather (those periods when the day time temperature does not get above freezing and the night time temperature hovers down into the single digits F, I'll leave the frames covered with the tarps for days at a time. > > For the summer, the glass is opened from the back side (i.e. the side against the house wall): this, and the fact that the frame is in the rain shadow of the house, keeps out rain. Some of the plants are grown in pots, others are rooted in the ground. > > I have two of these frames - they are managed a bit differently since one contains mostly summer dormant plants, the other contains tender plants which are summer active. > > I've frankly been amazed at what I can get away with with these frames. I've been able to grow and flower plants here which in the past I would have said were impossible in our climate. The frames are a daily bother, but it's worth it. The only regret I have is that there are only two frames, and they total only eighteen square feet each. Curiously, I've never had a desire for a greenhouse. But when I'm out working with my frames I'm as happy as can be. > > I have not tried the automatic frame openers. > > Email me privately if you have more questions - or post them to the list if you think others might be interested. > > Durham isn't that much different than Montgomery County, MD, so you should be able to repeat my successes and no doubt add more of your own. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1378906350.3055.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 345 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT) I am sorry. That's long gone.   Dell >________________________________ >From: raymond schuck >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:15 PM >Subject: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 345 > > >Hi,I would like a Item no. 2 if still available.Thanks,Ray Schuck >                        >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: 3 Yellow Lyroris Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:08:58 -0500 Dear Jim McK and all, The Yellow flowering Lycoris tend to be very mixed up in commerce. I think this is because less than fully knowledgeable growers and gardeners tend to call every yellow Lycoris "L. aurea" as it is an 'obvious' name. Here's a clue to the more common yellow Lycoris L. chinensis Leaves produced in Spring. Plants are fully hardy to Zone 5 maybe colder. Stamens barely exceed petals. Easy and increasingly common. L. aurea. Leaves produced in fall, but the largest by far of all Lycoris species to 3 ft long and 1 inch wide. Very succulent and totally frost sensitive. May succeed in Zone 7/8 with protection Stamens far exceed petals. L. traubii As for L. aurea, but much small in all parts and equally frost sensitive. Leaves and flowers produced a month or more later than those of L. aurea. These characters should define each of these 3 yellow species. L aurea is best grown in very mild, frost-free climates, but is not easy. L. traubii is less common than either of the other two. Other yellow species are L. caldwellii, L. longituba var. flava, L. anhuiensis and L. straminea only vaguely-kind of straw/tan/pale yellow. Hope this helps. Jim W. From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1378922993.48953.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Dracunculus Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) I forgot to attach this comment from Jim Waddick about his BX donation of mixed Dracunculus vulgaris seed:   " Dracunculus vulgaris - mixed forms. Some have plain green foliage, most have silver chevron marks on the foliage. These clones have been hardy in the Kansas City Zone 5/6 for over a decade and bloom reliably. Sent as ripe fruits. Each fruit contains 1 or 2 seeds. To clean submerge in cool running water and mash outer skin away. Seeds should sink. Remove from water and dry on a paper towel before planting. Warning: Some people are very sensitive to chemicals in Dracunculus fruit skins so be certain to wash hands well with soap when finished cleaning and keep fingers from the mouth, nose and eyes. Normally cleaning a few seeds at a time does not irritate skin, but if you suspect you might be sensitive, were latex gloves while cleaning fruits and seeds" From Tony@plantdelights.com Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: 3 Yellow Lyroris Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:36:37 -0400 Jim: Lycoris aurea is hardy here for us, and has been so for well over a decade, probably only experiencing a low of 6 degrees F. While I would agree that it won't go further north, I certainly wouldn't term the leaves frost-sensitive in our garden experience. Other forms of L. aurea have been less winter hardy. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Gardens 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina  27603  USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website  http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax  919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:09 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] 3 Yellow Lyroris Dear Jim McK and all, The Yellow flowering Lycoris tend to be very mixed up in commerce. I think this is because less than fully knowledgeable growers and gardeners tend to call every yellow Lycoris "L. aurea" as it is an 'obvious' name. Here's a clue to the more common yellow Lycoris L. chinensis Leaves produced in Spring. Plants are fully hardy to Zone 5 maybe colder. Stamens barely exceed petals. Easy and increasingly common. L. aurea. Leaves produced in fall, but the largest by far of all Lycoris species to 3 ft long and 1 inch wide. Very succulent and totally frost sensitive. May succeed in Zone 7/8 with protection Stamens far exceed petals. L. traubii As for L. aurea, but much small in all parts and equally frost sensitive. Leaves and flowers produced a month or more later than those of L. aurea. These characters should define each of these 3 yellow species. L aurea is best grown in very mild, frost-free climates, but is not easy. L. traubii is less common than either of the other two. Other yellow species are L. caldwellii, L. longituba var. flava, L. anhuiensis and L. straminea only vaguely-kind of straw/tan/pale yellow. Hope this helps. Jim W. From plantsman@comcast.net Wed, 11 Sep 2013 18:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <20130912002153.C6433E8B1C@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: 3 Yellow Lyroris Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:21:50 -0700 Tony, Have you had any additional success producing intergeneric crosses with Lycoris species? Nathan At 02:36 PM 9/11/2013, you wrote: >Jim: > >Lycoris aurea is hardy here for us, and has been so for well over a >decade, probably only experiencing a low of 6 degrees F. While I >would agree that it won't go further north, I certainly wouldn't >term the leaves frost-sensitive in our garden experience. Other >forms of L. aurea have been less winter hardy. > >Tony Avent >Plant Delights Nursery @ >Juniper Level Botanic Gardens >9241 Sauls Road >Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA >Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F >Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F >USDA Hardiness Zone 7b >email tony@plantdelights.com >website http://www.plantdelights.com >phone 919 772-4794 >fax 919 772-4752 >"I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at >least three times" - Avent > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org >[mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:09 PM >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: [pbs] 3 Yellow Lyroris > >Dear Jim McK and all, > > The Yellow flowering Lycoris tend to be very mixed up in > commerce. I think this is because less than fully knowledgeable > growers and gardeners tend to call every yellow Lycoris "L. aurea" > as it is an 'obvious' name. > > >Here's a clue to the more common yellow Lycoris > > L. chinensis Leaves produced in Spring. Plants are fully > hardy to Zone 5 maybe colder. Stamens barely exceed petals. Easy > and increasingly common. > > L. aurea. Leaves produced in fall, but the largest by far > of all Lycoris species to 3 ft long and 1 inch wide. Very succulent > and totally frost sensitive. May succeed in Zone 7/8 with > protection Stamens far exceed petals. > > L. traubii As for L. aurea, but much small in all parts and > equally frost sensitive. Leaves and flowers produced a month or > more later than those of L. aurea. > > These characters should define each of these 3 yellow species. > > L aurea is best grown in very mild, frost-free climates, > but is not easy. L. traubii is less common than either of the other two. > > Other yellow species are L. caldwellii, L. longituba var. > flava, L. anhuiensis and L. straminea only vaguely-kind of > straw/tan/pale yellow. > > Hope this helps. Jim W. > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From Tony@plantdelights.com Wed, 11 Sep 2013 18:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: 3 Yellow Lyroris Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:57:58 -0400 Nathan: None of our purported crosses have flowered yet. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Gardens 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina  27603  USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website  http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax  919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Lange Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:22 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] 3 Yellow Lyroris Tony, Have you had any additional success producing intergeneric crosses with Lycoris species? Nathan At 02:36 PM 9/11/2013, you wrote: >Jim: > >Lycoris aurea is hardy here for us, and has been so for well over a >decade, probably only experiencing a low of 6 degrees F. While I would >agree that it won't go further north, I certainly wouldn't >term the leaves frost-sensitive in our garden experience. Other >forms of L. aurea have been less winter hardy. > >Tony Avent >Plant Delights Nursery @ >Juniper Level Botanic Gardens >9241 Sauls Road >Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA >Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F >Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F >USDA Hardiness Zone 7b >email tony@plantdelights.com >website http://www.plantdelights.com >phone 919 772-4794 >fax 919 772-4752 >"I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least >three times" - Avent > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org >[mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:09 PM >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: [pbs] 3 Yellow Lyroris > >Dear Jim McK and all, > > The Yellow flowering Lycoris tend to be very mixed up in > commerce. I think this is because less than fully knowledgeable > growers and gardeners tend to call every yellow Lycoris "L. aurea" > as it is an 'obvious' name. > > >Here's a clue to the more common yellow Lycoris > > L. chinensis Leaves produced in Spring. Plants are fully > hardy to Zone 5 maybe colder. Stamens barely exceed petals. Easy and > increasingly common. > > L. aurea. Leaves produced in fall, but the largest by far of > all Lycoris species to 3 ft long and 1 inch wide. Very succulent and > totally frost sensitive. May succeed in Zone 7/8 with protection > Stamens far exceed petals. > > L. traubii As for L. aurea, but much small in all parts and > equally frost sensitive. Leaves and flowers produced a month or more > later than those of L. aurea. > > These characters should define each of these 3 yellow species. > > L aurea is best grown in very mild, frost-free climates, but > is not easy. L. traubii is less common than either of the other two. > > Other yellow species are L. caldwellii, L. longituba var. > flava, L. anhuiensis and L. straminea only vaguely-kind of > straw/tan/pale yellow. > > Hope this helps. Jim W. > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From kellso@irvincentral.com Wed, 11 Sep 2013 18:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <5231155D.90001@irvincentral.com> From: Kelly Irvin Subject: 3 Yellow Lyroris Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:14:05 -0500 Tony: I just don't think that could be L. aurea, then. Maybe it's L. traubii. I've had it survive down to 13° in a winter house with air movement, but no frost formed in those special conditions. Whether it's frost at 13° or 32°, this will turn the leaves to mush. Mr. Kelly M. Irvin 10850 Hodge Ln Gravette, AR 72736 USA 479-787-9958 USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b On 9/11/13 4:36 PM, Tony Avent wrote: > Jim: > > Lycoris aurea is hardy here for us, and has been so for well over a decade, probably only experiencing a low of 6 degrees F. While I would agree that it won't go further north, I certainly wouldn't term the leaves frost-sensitive in our garden experience. Other forms of L. aurea have been less winter hardy. > > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Gardens > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony@plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdelights.com > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:09 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] 3 Yellow Lyroris > > Dear Jim McK and all, > > The Yellow flowering Lycoris tend to be very mixed up in commerce. I think this is because less than fully knowledgeable growers and gardeners tend to call every yellow Lycoris "L. aurea" as it is an 'obvious' name. > > > Here's a clue to the more common yellow Lycoris > > L. chinensis Leaves produced in Spring. Plants are fully hardy to Zone 5 maybe colder. Stamens barely exceed petals. Easy and increasingly common. > > L. aurea. Leaves produced in fall, but the largest by far of all Lycoris species to 3 ft long and 1 inch wide. Very succulent and totally frost sensitive. May succeed in Zone 7/8 with protection Stamens far exceed petals. > > L. traubii As for L. aurea, but much small in all parts and equally frost sensitive. Leaves and flowers produced a month or more later than those of L. aurea. > > These characters should define each of these 3 yellow species. > > L aurea is best grown in very mild, frost-free climates, but is not easy. L. traubii is less common than either of the other two. > > Other yellow species are L. caldwellii, L. longituba var. flava, L. anhuiensis and L. straminea only vaguely-kind of straw/tan/pale yellow. > > Hope this helps. Jim W. > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From Jadeboy48@aol.com Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <4dab4.17b47e60.3f635b76@aol.com> From: Jadeboy48@aol.com Subject: Message from Russ H Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Regarding message 2 in the newsletter; Dear Cynthia what exactly do you mean by a squill.There is the Genus Scilla called squills as well as other Genera. Most Scilla are some shade of Blue, so could you come up with a genus name. Scilla (the genus) has been taken apart and there are some huge bulbs from the cape that are still listed as Scilla. I am sure I could send you some blue Scilla but I want to make sure that is what you want. Send a note to Russ at _jadeboy48@aol.com_ (mailto:jadeboy48@aol.com) , Also what area do you live in? Many Scilla love cold climates, some are more warmth tolerant. From david.gray1@cox.net Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Gray Subject: Help identifying unknown lilies Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:41:07 -0500 My first post - My apologies in advance if I'm violating any of the rules . . . or making a newbie mistake I have collected plants and seeds from an unknown lily I have found growing in several places along Interstate 10 in NW Florida. General description: White (or white-ish) trumpet-like flowers Has grown to about 6 feet tall in my yard Flowers generally open in mid to late August (although a few young plants in my yard still have buds forming) Seem to have a single strong stem (the stem of the largest plant in my yard is about an inch in diameter) Generally flowers at the very tip of the growing stem. May have 10 or more flowers on a mature specimen. I have them growing in rather full sun, but I have found them growing in areas with a significant tree canopy (although probably got full early morning sun.) They produce copious quantities of seed within the seed pod. Seeds are brown / tan in color with, what I assume to be, a darker-colored embryo The flowers are not spectacular or anything, but I'm always looking for something else to try growing. I've done some research on the internet, but can't find anything that looks to be a match. They appear to be growing wild, i.e. not in yards, gardens, or near old homesteads - but that really can't be said for certain. I'm no expert, but the flowers look very similar to Easter lilies. Temperatures here in NW Florida reach below freezing at least several nights every winter Here's a link to some photos (sorry not professional quality): http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/dmg2235/library/I-10%20Lilies (I hope the link works properly . . .) Thanks for any suggestions on possible identification. David Gray Fort Walton Beach, FL (Near Pensacola) From fatsia1234-pbs1@yahoo.com Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1379037215.20867.YahooMailNeo@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: jonathan Subject: Help identifying unknown lilies Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:53:35 -0700 (PDT) >Hi David -- > > >It could be Lilium longiflorum/Easter lily.  It grows here around Gainesville in many places including the bulb garden at Kanapaha Botanical gardens. > > >Jonathan Lubar >Alachua/Gainesville Florida z8b/9a > > From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Help identifying unknown lilies Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:56:01 -0500 Could be Lilium formosanum. They can live through anything. -Cynthia Mueller Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:41 PM, "David Gray" wrote: > My first post - My apologies in advance if I'm violating any of the rules . > . . or making a newbie mistake > > I have collected plants and seeds from an unknown lily I have found growing > in several places along Interstate 10 in NW Florida. > General description: > > White (or white-ish) trumpet-like flowers > Has grown to about 6 feet tall in my yard > Flowers generally open in mid to late August (although a few young plants > in my yard still have buds forming) > Seem to have a single strong stem (the stem of the largest plant in my yard > is about an inch in diameter) > Generally flowers at the very tip of the growing stem. May have 10 or more > flowers on a mature specimen. > I have them growing in rather full sun, but I have found them growing in > areas with a significant tree canopy (although probably got full early > morning sun.) > They produce copious quantities of seed within the seed pod. > Seeds are brown / tan in color with, what I assume to be, a > darker-colored embryo > > The flowers are not spectacular or anything, but I'm always looking for > something else to try growing. > I've done some research on the internet, but can't find anything that looks > to be a match. They appear to be growing wild, i.e. not in yards, gardens, > or near old homesteads - but that really can't be said for certain. > > I'm no expert, but the flowers look very similar to Easter lilies. > > Temperatures here in NW Florida reach below freezing at least several > nights every winter > > Here's a link to some photos (sorry not professional quality): > http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/dmg2235/library/I-10%20Lilies > > (I hope the link works properly . . .) > > Thanks for any suggestions on possible identification. > > David Gray > Fort Walton Beach, FL > (Near Pensacola) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From alanidae@gmail.com Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alani Davis Subject: Help identifying unknown lilies Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:28:13 -0400 Hey David You have *Lilium formosanum*. It is commonly naturalized through the Florida panhandle. Alani Davis Tallahassee, Florida On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM, David Gray wrote: > My first post - My apologies in advance if I'm violating any of the rules . > . . or making a newbie mistake > > I have collected plants and seeds from an unknown lily I have found growing > in several places along Interstate 10 in NW Florida. > General description: > > White (or white-ish) trumpet-like flowers > Has grown to about 6 feet tall in my yard > Flowers generally open in mid to late August (although a few young plants > in my yard still have buds forming) > Seem to have a single strong stem (the stem of the largest plant in my yard > is about an inch in diameter) > Generally flowers at the very tip of the growing stem. May have 10 or more > flowers on a mature specimen. > I have them growing in rather full sun, but I have found them growing in > areas with a significant tree canopy (although probably got full early > morning sun.) > They produce copious quantities of seed within the seed pod. > Seeds are brown / tan in color with, what I assume to be, a > darker-colored embryo > > The flowers are not spectacular or anything, but I'm always looking for > something else to try growing. > I've done some research on the internet, but can't find anything that looks > to be a match. They appear to be growing wild, i.e. not in yards, gardens, > or near old homesteads - but that really can't be said for certain. > > I'm no expert, but the flowers look very similar to Easter lilies. > > Temperatures here in NW Florida reach below freezing at least several > nights every winter > > Here's a link to some photos (sorry not professional quality): > http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/dmg2235/library/I-10%20Lilies > > (I hope the link works properly . . .) > > Thanks for any suggestions on possible identification. > > David Gray > Fort Walton Beach, FL > (Near Pensacola) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Alani From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Fri, 13 Sep 2013 01:17:12 -0700 Message-Id: <1379059925.39909.YahooMailNeo@web186001.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: Help identifying unknown lilies Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:12:05 +0100 (BST) Is this species tender? It is almost unkown in the UK as the full height plant. Just the dwarf var. Pricei. I have never knowingly seen it for sale.   Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone ~8     > >>It could be Lilium longiflorum/Easter lily.  It grows here around Gainesville in many places including the bulb garden at Kanapaha Botanical gardens. > From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Fri, 13 Sep 2013 04:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Lilium formosanum Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:53:19 -0500 L. Formosanum grows very easily in Central Texas, zone 8b. It self sows and can flower in its first year of life if all goes well. Lical variations range from white to shades of light purplish red on the outside. Here, it's difficult to find the shorter L. Pricei. -Cynthia Mueller Sent from my iPhone From davbouch5@mac.com Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <192714DF-BE63-4951-8BB7-601CF4E0A889@mac.com> From: David Boucher Subject: Help identifying unknown lilies Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:53:53 -1000 Probably Lilium formosanum, which is naturalized in many areas of SE US. David Boucher Hawaii On Sep 12, 2013, at 3:41 PM, David Gray wrote: > My first post - My apologies in advance if I'm violating any of the rules . > . . or making a newbie mistake > > I have collected plants and seeds from an unknown lily I have found growing > in several places along Interstate 10 in NW Florida. > General description: > > White (or white-ish) trumpet-like flowers > Has grown to about 6 feet tall in my yard > Flowers generally open in mid to late August (although a few young plants > in my yard still have buds forming) > Seem to have a single strong stem (the stem of the largest plant in my yard > is about an inch in diameter) > Generally flowers at the very tip of the growing stem. May have 10 or more > flowers on a mature specimen. > I have them growing in rather full sun, but I have found them growing in > areas with a significant tree canopy (although probably got full early > morning sun.) > They produce copious quantities of seed within the seed pod. > Seeds are brown / tan in color with, what I assume to be, a > darker-colored embryo > > The flowers are not spectacular or anything, but I'm always looking for > something else to try growing. > I've done some research on the internet, but can't find anything that looks > to be a match. They appear to be growing wild, i.e. not in yards, gardens, > or near old homesteads - but that really can't be said for certain. > > I'm no expert, but the flowers look very similar to Easter lilies. > > Temperatures here in NW Florida reach below freezing at least several > nights every winter > > Here's a link to some photos (sorry not professional quality): > http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/dmg2235/library/I-10%20Lilies > > (I hope the link works properly . . .) > > Thanks for any suggestions on possible identification. > > David Gray > Fort Walton Beach, FL > (Near Pensacola) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From alanidae@gmail.com Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alani Davis Subject: Help identifying unknown lilies Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:04:13 -0400 Lilium formosanum does well here as does the Lilium longiflorum Jonathan mentioned though Lilium formosanum seems to spread by seed far more readily than Lilium longiflorum. Lilium formosanum is usually associated with old house sites but very often nothing else remains of habitation except perhaps Lycoris radiata, and often these sites are along roadways where earth moving from past road widening, mowing of the road shoulders and wind have distributed seed for quite a distance making quite a display. There is a patch along interstate 10 in Jackson County Florida that goes on scattered here and there for nearly a mile. Depending the year, the rainfall and the location the height at flowering can vary a bit. They will be easily 5-7 feet with the occasion patch pushing 10 ft. The pure white flower form is most common but the type with the wine colored markings on the exterior definitely can be found. They are grow as a classic pass-a-garden plant but I have never seen them grown widely commercially though there are nurseries that sell them in the U.S. They are definitely hardy in zone 8 & 9 and I have seen them grown well in zone 7 though I have less experience with them the lower the zone. Alani Davis On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Brian Whyer wrote: > Is this species tender? It is almost unkown in the UK as the full height > plant. Just the dwarf var. Pricei. I have never knowingly seen it for sale. > > Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone ~8 > > > > > > >>It could be Lilium longiflorum/Easter lily. It grows here around > Gainesville in many places including the bulb garden at Kanapaha Botanical > gardens. > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Alani From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Lilium formosanum Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:17:28 -0700 Cynthia wrote, >L. Formosanum grows very easily in Central Texas, zone 8b. It self >sows and can flower in its first year of life if all goes well. >Lical variations range from white to shades of light purplish red on >the outside. Here, it's difficult to find the shorter L. Pricei. Vast quantities of Lilium formosanum ssp. pricei seed are contributed to the North American Rock Garden Society seed exchange, and NARGS members can always get it for free, or nearly so, out of the "leftovers." Apparently its short stature appeals to "rock gardeners" in the broad sense, especially those in humid summer climates. It is an epigeal (immediate) germinator and can flower the second year from sowing. I have one (from leftovers) growing in a pot and am going to try it in a shady, well-watered part of my garden, but I don't know if it will survive there. It flowered at about 8 inches (20 cm) this summer. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From administrator@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Administrator User Subject: Lilium formosanum Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 17:38:29 +0000 Hi, Some comments - they're prone to virus and don't last long. Some are a nice height, 18 inches or a couple of foot. In my experience not very hardy. But good fun, because they flower rapidly. There is a similar species L. philippinense even less hardy. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumTrumpetSection#philippinense David Pilling From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Lilium formosanum Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:53:47 -0500 PBSers, I contributed many seeds to the BX/SX over the years of the typical form. Even here in Zone 5/6 it grows to 6 or 7 feet and seeds about lightly. A lovely lily. It is not very drought tolerant and over the last 2 summers of drought I have lost it totally, alas. Even so I would recommend it highly. Easy and impressive. Best Jim W. = From nickplummer@gmail.com Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Lilium formosanum Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:15:47 -0400 I should have a bunch of seed from the typical form of L. formosanum in a month or two. I had planned to cut off all the unripe seed capsules to stop volunteers sprouting everywhere, but I could just as easily let them ripen if there is anyone who still wants some. The fragrance is wonderful, and it was fun to watch the big, powerful hornworm moths visit the flowers at dusk. Nick Plummer Durham, NC Zone 7 On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM, James Waddick wrote: > PBSers, > I contributed many seeds to the BX/SX over the years of the > typical form. Even here in Zone 5/6 it grows to 6 or 7 feet and seeds about > lightly. A lovely lily. > > It is not very drought tolerant and over the last 2 summers of > drought I have lost it totally, alas. Even so I would recommend it highly. > > Easy and impressive. Best Jim W. > > From bruceandjill.schroder@gmail.com Sun, 15 Sep 2013 05:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bruce Schroder Subject: Scadoxus nutans Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 21:59:11 +1000 Home is Melbourne, Australia. I have a couple of small seedlings of S nutans, each with a single leaf. I received the seed earlier this year from the US and it germinated immediately but I am a bit confused as to when its growing season actually is in the southern hemisphere. S pole-evansii seed received from Silverhill in Autumn germinated immediately but have only formed small bulbils - I presume they will start to grow shortly as their growing season is over spring summer here. Mature plants are currently dormant. Similarly, S membranaceus seed sown at about the same time germinated immediately forming small bilbils which look like they are about to shoot. Mature plants of S puniceus have come out of dormancy and are only days away from flowering whilst S multiflorus doesn't go completely dormant but flowers regularly for me in Summer. So, is anyone growing S nutans in the southern hemisphere and can help me with my dilemma! From Tony@plantdelights.com Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: lycoris traubii vs. aurea Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:24:50 -0400 Lycoris growers. Thanks to David for getting my photos on the Wiki. The photo on the left is L. traubii and on the right, L. aurea. L. aurea is glossy green and much wider and emerges very early. L. traubii foliage emerges over a month later, and is narrow like L. radiata. Comments? http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris#aurea Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Gardens 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent From leo@possi.org Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <018c045d6c1307dee25884e631734171.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Lilium formosanum Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 10:36:53 -0700 (PDT) > I should have a bunch of seed from the > typical form of L. formosanum in a month > or two. I had planned to cut off all the > unripe seed capsules to stop volunteers > sprouting everywhere, but I could just > as easily let them ripen if there is > anyone who still wants some. My observation is there are always takers for seed. Go ahead and send them to Dell. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1379266836.72146.YahooMailNeo@web121304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: lycoris traubii vs. aurea Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Thanks Tony and David. I think  the photo of the foliage of Lycoris aurea is labeled Lycoris traubii (both images say Lycoris traubii).  Jim McKenney From marhoot@yahoo.com Sun, 15 Sep 2013 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1379307268.87505.YahooMailNeo@web140504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Martin Grantham Subject: Scadoxus nutans Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 21:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Hi Bruce, Not to worry about S. nutans. It can be grown without a dormancy while juvenile. Just keep feeding the plants and they will progress through several growths before demanding a dormancy. Also a seed's "clock" is set in the hemisphere where it germinates, not where the seed was produced.They shouldn't skip a beat unless they experience poor growing conditions after starting out. I have grown all the species except S. cyrtanthiflorus and try to get around dormancy when possible. In my experience S. pole-evansii seems to require a full dormancy after transfer of the endosperm nutrients to the young rhizome, but with feeding during the active periods, can be brought to first flower in 3 years. S. membranaceus is another that demands a dormancy as a seedling, but is much slower to develop than S. pole-evansii and probably takes quite a few years to reach first flowering. Martin From george-oz@hotmail.com Mon, 16 Sep 2013 00:17:23 -0700 Message-Id: From: George-Oz Subject: Scadoxus nutans Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:35:16 +1000 Hi Bruce, I live in Melbourne as well and grow all Scadoxus species except cinnabarinus which I hope to get a seed soon. Nutans growing season is starting now and pole-evansii should go dormant soon. S.pole-evansii do grow a small bulb first and then have a long rest before the first leaf emerges. As for membranaceus, they just started again to grow as well. Cheers George. From ds429@frontier.com Mon, 16 Sep 2013 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1379333155.16851.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 05:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Dear All,          The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared.     If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 346" in the subject line.           Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added.        Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:            If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to:   Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA   Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds.               I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Kipp McMichael: 1. Seeds of Brunsvigia josephiniae 2. Seeds of Boophone sp?, seeds from Australia From Gastil: 3. Corms of Gladiolus italicus, mixed sizes 4. Corms of Moraea bellendenii ? From Colin Davis: 5. Offset bulblets of Lachenalia sargeantii From Jim Shields: 6. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus x H. albiflos  (few) 7. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus ex Bokkeveld Escarpment (few) 8. Various sized bulbs of Haemanthus barkerae (few) From Arnold Trachtenberg: 9. Bulblets of Lachenalia mutabilis 10. Bulblets of Lachenalia juncifolia 11. Small corms of Ferraria divaricata From Mary Sue Ittner: 12. Corms of Ferraria densipunctulata From Roy Herold: BULBS 13. Ambrosina bassii--Small offsets 14. Drimia sp (formerly Rhadamanthus)--ex Tom Glavich, BX214-19. This is indeed quite different from D. platyphylla, although the leaves are similar. The bulbs are two to three times the size of platyphylla, it emerges a month sooner (in full leaf now), and it has the curious habit of forming little bulbils at the soil surface at the top of the bulb neck. It has yet to bloom for me. Only a few. 15. Drimia sp. Calitzdorp--ex Gariep Nursery. Similar to platyphylla, but the jury is out on a positive ID. Only a few. 16. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus 17. Cyrtanthus hybrid #1 ex Logee's. Big, soft orange trumpets. Evergreen. 18. Cyrtanthus hybrid #2 ex Logee's. Smaller medium orange trumpets fading to pink. Evergreen. From Larry Neel: SEEDS 19. Fritillaria bucharica 20. Fritillaria stenanthera 21. Fritillaria yuminensis, pink 22. Trillium albidum, plain-leafed, high elevation form 23. Trillium angustipetalum 24. Trillium angustipetalum, large form 25. Trillium chloropetalum, rose 26. Trillium chloropetalum, rose and white 27. Trillium chloropetalum, plum and white 28. Trillium kurabayashii 29. Trillium kurabayashii,  late, high-elevation form 30. Trillium kurabaysahii, yellow 31. Trillium ovatum From Dennis Kramb: 32. Seeds of Sinningia cardinalis, red From Chris Elwell: SEEDS 33. Calochortus palmeri var munzii 34. Calochortus luteus (OP) 35. Calochortus venustus var. sanguineus (syn C. venustus) 36. Calochortus venustus, burgundy From Jonathan Lubar: SEEDS: 37. Aristea ecklonii 38. Calydorea amabilis 39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall Thank you, Kipp, Gastil, Colin, Jim, Arnold, Mary Sue, Roy, Larry, Dennis, Chris, and Jonathan !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From buddinglandscapes@gmail.com Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <2818D6F5-0E2B-417F-ACEC-77BD9DECB601@gmail.com> From: buddinglandscapes@gmail.com Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:18:03 +1000 Hi Dell May I please order the following seeds please numbers 1,35, 36 ,37 and 38 Thanks Dell looking forward to hearing from you Leigh Rodwell Parkdale Australia On 16/09/2013, at 10:05 PM, ds429 wrote: > > > Dear All, > > The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. > > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 346" in the subject line. > > Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. > > Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > > If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > Dell Sherk > 55 W. High St. > Salem, WV 26426 > USA > > Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. > > I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > >> From Kipp McMichael: > > 1. Seeds of Brunsvigia josephiniae > 2. Seeds of Boophone sp?, seeds from Australia > >> From Gastil: > > 3. Corms of Gladiolus italicus, mixed sizes > 4. Corms of Moraea bellendenii ? > >> From Colin Davis: > > 5. Offset bulblets of Lachenalia sargeantii > >> From Jim Shields: > > 6. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus x H. albiflos (few) > 7. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus ex Bokkeveld Escarpment (few) > 8. Various sized bulbs of Haemanthus barkerae (few) > >> From Arnold Trachtenberg: > > 9. Bulblets of Lachenalia mutabilis > 10. Bulblets of Lachenalia juncifolia > 11. Small corms of Ferraria divaricata > >> From Mary Sue Ittner: > > 12. Corms of Ferraria densipunctulata > >> From Roy Herold: > > BULBS > > 13. Ambrosina bassii--Small offsets > 14. Drimia sp (formerly Rhadamanthus)--ex Tom Glavich, BX214-19. This is indeed quite > different from D. platyphylla, although the leaves are similar. The > bulbs are two to three times the size of platyphylla, it emerges a > month sooner (in full leaf now), and it has the curious habit of forming > little bulbils at the soil surface at the top of the bulb neck. It has > yet to bloom for me. Only a few. > 15. Drimia sp. Calitzdorp--ex Gariep Nursery. Similar to > platyphylla, but the jury is out on a positive ID. Only a few. > 16. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus > 17. Cyrtanthus hybrid #1 ex Logee's. Big, soft orange trumpets. Evergreen. > 18. Cyrtanthus hybrid #2 ex Logee's. Smaller medium orange trumpets > fading to pink. Evergreen. > >> From Larry Neel: > > SEEDS > > 19. Fritillaria bucharica > 20. Fritillaria stenanthera > 21. Fritillaria yuminensis, pink > 22. Trillium albidum, plain-leafed, high elevation form > 23. Trillium angustipetalum > 24. Trillium angustipetalum, large form > 25. Trillium chloropetalum, rose > 26. Trillium chloropetalum, rose and white > 27. Trillium chloropetalum, plum and white > 28. Trillium kurabayashii > 29. Trillium kurabayashii, late, high-elevation form > 30. Trillium kurabaysahii, yellow > 31. Trillium ovatum > >> From Dennis Kramb: > > 32. Seeds of Sinningia cardinalis, red > >> From Chris Elwell: > > SEEDS > > 33. Calochortus palmeri var munzii > 34. Calochortus luteus (OP) > 35. Calochortus venustus var. sanguineus (syn C. venustus) > 36. Calochortus venustus, burgundy > >> From Jonathan Lubar: > > SEEDS: > > 37. Aristea ecklonii > 38. Calydorea amabilis > 39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall > > Thank you, Kipp, Gastil, Colin, Jim, Arnold, Mary Sue, Roy, Larry, Dennis, Chris, and Jonathan !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: BX 346/lilium formosanum Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:18:03 +0100 Hi, In message <1379333155.16851.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, ds429 writes >39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex >wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall var. formosanum and var. pricei are not synonyms, more antonyms - they're the two possibilities out of two, until someone invents other variants. Anyway sounds good, at 3ft. does not sound like var pricei - discussion about this species a couple of days back. It reminds me what I noticed about my really nice specimens (second photo, top of this page): http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumTrumpetSection was that the pollen was brown and ones from other sources had yellow pollen. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net From giantcoreopsis@gmail.com Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <68EB0AA2-5256-4769-BEA8-9F088E5770F9@gmail.com> From: Giant Coreopsis Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:10:55 -0700 To whoever takes the calochortus seeds - my labels were indecipherable so let me clarify that they are all open pollinated. C. palmeri should still come true but the C. venustus may show some pleasant variation. CE On Sep 16, 2013, at 5:05 AM, ds429 wrote: > > > Dear All, > > The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. > > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 346" in the subject line. > > Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. > > Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > > If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > Dell Sherk > 55 W. High St. > Salem, WV 26426 > USA > > Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. > > I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > >> From Kipp McMichael: > > 1. Seeds of Brunsvigia josephiniae > 2. Seeds of Boophone sp?, seeds from Australia > >> From Gastil: > > 3. Corms of Gladiolus italicus, mixed sizes > 4. Corms of Moraea bellendenii ? > >> From Colin Davis: > > 5. Offset bulblets of Lachenalia sargeantii > >> From Jim Shields: > > 6. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus x H. albiflos (few) > 7. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus ex Bokkeveld Escarpment (few) > 8. Various sized bulbs of Haemanthus barkerae (few) > >> From Arnold Trachtenberg: > > 9. Bulblets of Lachenalia mutabilis > 10. Bulblets of Lachenalia juncifolia > 11. Small corms of Ferraria divaricata > >> From Mary Sue Ittner: > > 12. Corms of Ferraria densipunctulata > >> From Roy Herold: > > BULBS > > 13. Ambrosina bassii--Small offsets > 14. Drimia sp (formerly Rhadamanthus)--ex Tom Glavich, BX214-19. This is indeed quite > different from D. platyphylla, although the leaves are similar. The > bulbs are two to three times the size of platyphylla, it emerges a > month sooner (in full leaf now), and it has the curious habit of forming > little bulbils at the soil surface at the top of the bulb neck. It has > yet to bloom for me. Only a few. > 15. Drimia sp. Calitzdorp--ex Gariep Nursery. Similar to > platyphylla, but the jury is out on a positive ID. Only a few. > 16. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus > 17. Cyrtanthus hybrid #1 ex Logee's. Big, soft orange trumpets. Evergreen. > 18. Cyrtanthus hybrid #2 ex Logee's. Smaller medium orange trumpets > fading to pink. Evergreen. > >> From Larry Neel: > > SEEDS > > 19. Fritillaria bucharica > 20. Fritillaria stenanthera > 21. Fritillaria yuminensis, pink > 22. Trillium albidum, plain-leafed, high elevation form > 23. Trillium angustipetalum > 24. Trillium angustipetalum, large form > 25. Trillium chloropetalum, rose > 26. Trillium chloropetalum, rose and white > 27. Trillium chloropetalum, plum and white > 28. Trillium kurabayashii > 29. Trillium kurabayashii, late, high-elevation form > 30. Trillium kurabaysahii, yellow > 31. Trillium ovatum > >> From Dennis Kramb: > > 32. Seeds of Sinningia cardinalis, red > >> From Chris Elwell: > > SEEDS > > 33. Calochortus palmeri var munzii > 34. Calochortus luteus (OP) > 35. Calochortus venustus var. sanguineus (syn C. venustus) > 36. Calochortus venustus, burgundy > >> From Jonathan Lubar: > > SEEDS: > > 37. Aristea ecklonii > 38. Calydorea amabilis > 39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall > > Thank you, Kipp, Gastil, Colin, Jim, Arnold, Mary Sue, Roy, Larry, Dennis, Chris, and Jonathan !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1379341326.10575.YahooMailNeo@web121304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: BX 346/lilium formosanum Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Patrick Synge, in Lilies (1980), describes the pollen of Lilium formosanum as either yellow or chocolate, so your plants are likely true to name. Jim McKenney From gastil.buhl@gmail.com Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1E581036-A208-4FC7-BAEA-95968912A306@gmail.com> From: "M. Gastil-Buhl" Subject: clarification about Moraea bellendenii corms in BX 346 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:39:33 -0700 There were two kinds of Moraea corms I sent to the BX. Light-colored corms some of which were attached to flower stems of positively identified M. bellendenii Dark-colored corms which were in the same planting basket but did not produce leaves last year and could possibly be M. bipartita I sent them packaged separately but I do not know if they are offered together or separately. The corms are shown here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/8641840440/in/set-72157633226148750 and here: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MoraeaSpeciesTwo#bellendenii The corms on the wiki are only the positively identified M. bellendenii ones. My apologies for not specifying this more clearly. - Gastil From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: BX 346/lilium formosanum Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 21:41:01 +0100 Hi, In message , David Pilling writes >In message <1379333155.16851.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, >ds429 writes >>39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex >>wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall > >var. formosanum and var. pricei are not synonyms, more antonyms - Sorry, I got that totally wrong. The plant list (and others) list Lilium formosanum var formosanum and Lilium formosanum var pricei as synonyms. which is interesting. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net From fatsia1234-pbs1@yahoo.com Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1379371278.76110.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: jonathan Subject: BX 346/lilium formosanum Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:41:18 -0700 (PDT) >David wrote, "Anyway sounds good, at 3ft. does not sound like var pricei". > >I wrote Dell that they were 3 to 3.5 feet tall, but I just measured a couple and they are 28 inches to the top of the stem.  The seedpod adds 5 inches for a total of 33 inches. Sorry about that. > > >Jonathan Lubar >Alachua/Gainesville, Florida  zone 8b/9a From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1379374841.40580.YahooMailNeo@web121306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: BX 346/lilium formosanum Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:40:41 -0700 (PDT) David Pilling wrote: "The plant list (and others) list Lilium formosanum var formosanum and Lilium formosanum var pricei as synonyms. which is interesting." It's been known (or assumed) for a long time that the sort of variation in height seen in Lilium formosanum in the wild is a good example of what modern taxonomists know as a cline. Names such as "Lilium formosanum var. pricei" persist in horticulture because they preserve or call attention to distinctions important to the gardener, although the recognition of such distinctions in the ranks of formal botanical taxonomy represents a mindset now eschewed by most modern taxonomists.  Jim McKenney From billthebulbbaron@aol.com Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <6345CDD7-B45A-4BDB-827B-E1162401652B@aol.com> From: billthebulbbaron@aol.com Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:58:03 -0700 2, 6, 7, 8, 17, 18 website: www.BilltheBulbBaron.com (click on: Availability List) Please make all checks payable to William R.P. Welch, 1031 Cayuga Street Apt B, Santa Cruz, CA 95062, USA (831) 236-8397 Best wishes, Bill the Bulb Baron (William R.P. Welch) On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:18 AM, buddinglandscapes@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Dell > May I please order the following seeds please numbers 1,35, 36 ,37 and 38 > Thanks Dell looking forward to hearing from you > Leigh Rodwell Parkdale Australia > On 16/09/2013, at 10:05 PM, ds429 wrote: > >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. >> >> If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 346" in the subject line. >> >> Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. >> >> Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: >> >> If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: >> >> Dell Sherk >> 55 W. High St. >> Salem, WV 26426 >> USA >> >> Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. >> >> I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. >> IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! >> >>> From Kipp McMichael: >> >> 1. Seeds of Brunsvigia josephiniae >> 2. Seeds of Boophone sp?, seeds from Australia >> >>> From Gastil: >> >> 3. Corms of Gladiolus italicus, mixed sizes >> 4. Corms of Moraea bellendenii ? >> >>> From Colin Davis: >> >> 5. Offset bulblets of Lachenalia sargeantii >> >>> From Jim Shields: >> >> 6. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus x H. albiflos (few) >> 7. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus ex Bokkeveld Escarpment (few) >> 8. Various sized bulbs of Haemanthus barkerae (few) >> >>> From Arnold Trachtenberg: >> >> 9. Bulblets of Lachenalia mutabilis >> 10. Bulblets of Lachenalia juncifolia >> 11. Small corms of Ferraria divaricata >> >>> From Mary Sue Ittner: >> >> 12. Corms of Ferraria densipunctulata >> >>> From Roy Herold: >> >> BULBS >> >> 13. Ambrosina bassii--Small offsets >> 14. Drimia sp (formerly Rhadamanthus)--ex Tom Glavich, BX214-19. This is indeed quite >> different from D. platyphylla, although the leaves are similar. The >> bulbs are two to three times the size of platyphylla, it emerges a >> month sooner (in full leaf now), and it has the curious habit of forming >> little bulbils at the soil surface at the top of the bulb neck. It has >> yet to bloom for me. Only a few. >> 15. Drimia sp. Calitzdorp--ex Gariep Nursery. Similar to >> platyphylla, but the jury is out on a positive ID. Only a few. >> 16. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus >> 17. Cyrtanthus hybrid #1 ex Logee's. Big, soft orange trumpets. Evergreen. >> 18. Cyrtanthus hybrid #2 ex Logee's. Smaller medium orange trumpets >> fading to pink. Evergreen. >> >>> From Larry Neel: >> >> SEEDS >> >> 19. Fritillaria bucharica >> 20. Fritillaria stenanthera >> 21. Fritillaria yuminensis, pink >> 22. Trillium albidum, plain-leafed, high elevation form >> 23. Trillium angustipetalum >> 24. Trillium angustipetalum, large form >> 25. Trillium chloropetalum, rose >> 26. Trillium chloropetalum, rose and white >> 27. Trillium chloropetalum, plum and white >> 28. Trillium kurabayashii >> 29. Trillium kurabayashii, late, high-elevation form >> 30. Trillium kurabaysahii, yellow >> 31. Trillium ovatum >> >>> From Dennis Kramb: >> >> 32. Seeds of Sinningia cardinalis, red >> >>> From Chris Elwell: >> >> SEEDS >> >> 33. Calochortus palmeri var munzii >> 34. Calochortus luteus (OP) >> 35. Calochortus venustus var. sanguineus (syn C. venustus) >> 36. Calochortus venustus, burgundy >> >>> From Jonathan Lubar: >> >> SEEDS: >> >> 37. Aristea ecklonii >> 38. Calydorea amabilis >> 39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall >> >> Thank you, Kipp, Gastil, Colin, Jim, Arnold, Mary Sue, Roy, Larry, Dennis, Chris, and Jonathan !! >> >> Best wishes, >> Dell >> >> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From klazina1@gmail.com Mon, 16 Sep 2013 21:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5237D72E.30308@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Which Tulip is this? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:14:38 +1200 I was asked which Tulip this is, it is not in my garden. She thinks it is a species tulip. https://picasaweb.google.com/105705718728872493718/OddsAndSods?authkey=Gv1sRgCI2e-o-Bm7L9cQ#5924438640609097698 Ina -- Ina Crossley Auckland New Zealand zone 10a From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 17 Sep 2013 04:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1379416073.80474.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 04:07:53 -0700 (PDT) I have received your order.   Best wishes, Dell   Dell Sherk, PBS BX >________________________________ >From: "buddinglandscapes@gmail.com" >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:18 AM >Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 > > >Hi Dell >May I please order the following seeds please numbers 1,35, 36 ,37 and 38 >Thanks Dell looking forward to hearing from you >                                                                            Leigh Rodwell Parkdale Australia >On 16/09/2013, at 10:05 PM, ds429 wrote: > >> >> >> Dear All, >>  >>        The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. >>  >>  If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 346" in the subject line. >>  >>        Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. >>  >>      Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: >>  >>          If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: >>  >> Dell Sherk >> 55 W. High St. >> Salem, WV 26426 >> USA >>  >> Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. >>  >>            I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. >> IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! >> >>> From Kipp McMichael: >> >> 1. Seeds of Brunsvigia josephiniae >> 2. Seeds of Boophone sp?, seeds from Australia >> >>> From Gastil: >> >> 3. Corms of Gladiolus italicus, mixed sizes >> 4. Corms of Moraea bellendenii ? >> >>> From Colin Davis: >> >> 5. Offset bulblets of Lachenalia sargeantii >> >>> From Jim Shields: >> >> 6. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus x H. albiflos  (few) >> 7. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus ex Bokkeveld Escarpment (few) >> 8. Various sized bulbs of Haemanthus barkerae (few) >> >>> From Arnold Trachtenberg: >> >> 9. Bulblets of Lachenalia mutabilis >> 10. Bulblets of Lachenalia juncifolia >> 11. Small corms of Ferraria divaricata >> >>> From Mary Sue Ittner: >> >> 12. Corms of Ferraria densipunctulata >> >>> From Roy Herold: >> >> BULBS >> >> 13. Ambrosina bassii--Small offsets >> 14. Drimia sp (formerly Rhadamanthus)--ex Tom Glavich, BX214-19. This is indeed quite >> different from D. platyphylla, although the leaves are similar. The >> bulbs are two to three times the size of platyphylla, it emerges a >> month sooner (in full leaf now), and it has the curious habit of forming >> little bulbils at the soil surface at the top of the bulb neck. It has >> yet to bloom for me. Only a few. >> 15. Drimia sp. Calitzdorp--ex Gariep Nursery. Similar to >> platyphylla, but the jury is out on a positive ID. Only a few. >> 16. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus >> 17. Cyrtanthus hybrid #1 ex Logee's. Big, soft orange trumpets. Evergreen. >> 18. Cyrtanthus hybrid #2 ex Logee's. Smaller medium orange trumpets >> fading to pink. Evergreen. >> >>> From Larry Neel: >> >> SEEDS >> >> 19. Fritillaria bucharica >> 20. Fritillaria stenanthera >> 21. Fritillaria yuminensis, pink >> 22. Trillium albidum, plain-leafed, high elevation form >> 23. Trillium angustipetalum >> 24. Trillium angustipetalum, large form >> 25. Trillium chloropetalum, rose >> 26. Trillium chloropetalum, rose and white >> 27. Trillium chloropetalum, plum and white >> 28. Trillium kurabayashii >> 29. Trillium kurabayashii,  late, high-elevation form >> 30. Trillium kurabaysahii, yellow >> 31. Trillium ovatum >> >>> From Dennis Kramb: >> >> 32. Seeds of Sinningia cardinalis, red >> >>> From Chris Elwell: >> >> SEEDS >> >> 33. Calochortus palmeri var munzii >> 34. Calochortus luteus (OP) >> 35. Calochortus venustus var. sanguineus (syn C. venustus) >> 36. Calochortus venustus, burgundy >> >>> From Jonathan Lubar: >> >> SEEDS: >> >> 37. Aristea ecklonii >> 38. Calydorea amabilis >> 39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall >> >> Thank you, Kipp, Gastil, Colin, Jim, Arnold, Mary Sue, Roy, Larry, Dennis, Chris, and Jonathan !! >> >> Best wishes, >> Dell >> >> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1379419868.47646.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:11:08 -0700 (PDT) I have received your order.   Best wishes, Dell   Dell Sherk, PBS BX >________________________________ >From: "billthebulbbaron@aol.com" >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:58 PM >Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 > > >2, 6, 7, 8, 17, 18 > >website: www.BilltheBulbBaron.com >(click on: Availability List) > >Please make all checks payable to William R.P. Welch, 1031 Cayuga Street Apt B, Santa Cruz, CA 95062, USA (831) 236-8397 > >Best wishes, > >Bill the Bulb Baron (William R.P. Welch) > >On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:18 AM, buddinglandscapes@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi Dell >> May I please order the following seeds please numbers 1,35, 36 ,37 and 38 >> Thanks Dell looking forward to hearing from you >>                                                                            Leigh Rodwell Parkdale Australia >> On 16/09/2013, at 10:05 PM, ds429 wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>>      The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. >>> >>>  If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 346" in the subject line. >>> >>>        Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. >>> >>>    Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: >>> >>>        If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: >>> >>> Dell Sherk >>> 55 W. High St. >>> Salem, WV 26426 >>> USA >>> >>> Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. >>> >>>            I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. >>> IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! >>> >>>> From Kipp McMichael: >>> >>> 1. Seeds of Brunsvigia josephiniae >>> 2. Seeds of Boophone sp?, seeds from Australia >>> >>>> From Gastil: >>> >>> 3. Corms of Gladiolus italicus, mixed sizes >>> 4. Corms of Moraea bellendenii ? >>> >>>> From Colin Davis: >>> >>> 5. Offset bulblets of Lachenalia sargeantii >>> >>>> From Jim Shields: >>> >>> 6. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus x H. albiflos  (few) >>> 7. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus ex Bokkeveld Escarpment (few) >>> 8. Various sized bulbs of Haemanthus barkerae (few) >>> >>>> From Arnold Trachtenberg: >>> >>> 9. Bulblets of Lachenalia mutabilis >>> 10. Bulblets of Lachenalia juncifolia >>> 11. Small corms of Ferraria divaricata >>> >>>> From Mary Sue Ittner: >>> >>> 12. Corms of Ferraria densipunctulata >>> >>>> From Roy Herold: >>> >>> BULBS >>> >>> 13. Ambrosina bassii--Small offsets >>> 14. Drimia sp (formerly Rhadamanthus)--ex Tom Glavich, BX214-19. This is indeed quite >>> different from D. platyphylla, although the leaves are similar. The >>> bulbs are two to three times the size of platyphylla, it emerges a >>> month sooner (in full leaf now), and it has the curious habit of forming >>> little bulbils at the soil surface at the top of the bulb neck. It has >>> yet to bloom for me. Only a few. >>> 15. Drimia sp. Calitzdorp--ex Gariep Nursery. Similar to >>> platyphylla, but the jury is out on a positive ID. Only a few. >>> 16. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus >>> 17. Cyrtanthus hybrid #1 ex Logee's. Big, soft orange trumpets. Evergreen. >>> 18. Cyrtanthus hybrid #2 ex Logee's. Smaller medium orange trumpets >>> fading to pink. Evergreen. >>> >>>> From Larry Neel: >>> >>> SEEDS >>> >>> 19. Fritillaria bucharica >>> 20. Fritillaria stenanthera >>> 21. Fritillaria yuminensis, pink >>> 22. Trillium albidum, plain-leafed, high elevation form >>> 23. Trillium angustipetalum >>> 24. Trillium angustipetalum, large form >>> 25. Trillium chloropetalum, rose >>> 26. Trillium chloropetalum, rose and white >>> 27. Trillium chloropetalum, plum and white >>> 28. Trillium kurabayashii >>> 29. Trillium kurabayashii,  late, high-elevation form >>> 30. Trillium kurabaysahii, yellow >>> 31. Trillium ovatum >>> >>>> From Dennis Kramb: >>> >>> 32. Seeds of Sinningia cardinalis, red >>> >>>> From Chris Elwell: >>> >>> SEEDS >>> >>> 33. Calochortus palmeri var munzii >>> 34. Calochortus luteus (OP) >>> 35. Calochortus venustus var. sanguineus (syn C. venustus) >>> 36. Calochortus venustus, burgundy >>> >>>> From Jonathan Lubar: >>> >>> SEEDS: >>> >>> 37. Aristea ecklonii >>> 38. Calydorea amabilis >>> 39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall >>> >>> Thank you, Kipp, Gastil, Colin, Jim, Arnold, Mary Sue, Roy, Larry, Dennis, Chris, and Jonathan !! >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Dell >>> >>> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1379420419.31324.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: BX 346 CLOSED Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:20:19 -0700 (PDT) This is a big one that will take me extra time to pack up.   Enjoy, Dell   Dell Sherk, PBS BX From harman@inter.net.il Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <25BD63EE847A4EBAB3F2DCB1F9FCB34B@Harman2PC> From: Menashe Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 128, Issue 20 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:38:08 +0300 דבר עם סמי אולי לו יש קשרים יותר טובים משלך... תודה חג שמח מנשה -----הודעה מקורית----- From: pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:11 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 128, Issue 20 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: BX 346/lilium formosanum (David Pilling) 2. Re: BX 346/lilium formosanum (jonathan) 3. Re: BX 346/lilium formosanum (Jim McKenney) 4. Re: Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 (billthebulbbaron@aol.com) 5. Which Tulip is this? (Ina Crossley) 6. Re: Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 (ds429) 7. Re: Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 (ds429) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 21:41:01 +0100 From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 346/lilium formosanum To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Hi, In message , David Pilling writes >In message <1379333155.16851.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, >ds429 writes >>39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex >>wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall > >var. formosanum and var. pricei are not synonyms, more antonyms - Sorry, I got that totally wrong. The plant list (and others) list Lilium formosanum var formosanum and Lilium formosanum var pricei as synonyms. which is interesting. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jonathan Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 346/lilium formosanum To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <1379371278.76110.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >David wrote, "Anyway sounds good, at 3ft. does not sound like var pricei". > >I wrote Dell that they were 3 to 3.5 feet tall, but I just measured a >couple and they are 28 inches to the top of the stem. ?The seedpod adds 5 >inches for a total of 33 inches. Sorry about that. > > >Jonathan Lubar >Alachua/Gainesville, Florida ?zone 8b/9a ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim McKenney Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 346/lilium formosanum To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <1379374841.40580.YahooMailNeo@web121306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 David Pilling wrote: "The plant list (and others) list Lilium formosanum var formosanum and?Lilium formosanum var pricei as synonyms. which is interesting." It's been known (or assumed) for a long time that the sort of variation in height seen in Lilium formosanum in the wild is a good example of what modern taxonomists know as a cline. Names such as "Lilium formosanum var. pricei" persist in horticulture because they preserve or call attention to distinctions important to the gardener, although the recognition of such distinctions in the ranks of formal botanical taxonomy represents a mindset now eschewed by most modern taxonomists.? Jim McKenney ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:58:03 -0700 From: billthebulbbaron@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <6345CDD7-B45A-4BDB-827B-E1162401652B@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 2, 6, 7, 8, 17, 18 website: www.BilltheBulbBaron.com (click on: Availability List) Please make all checks payable to William R.P. Welch, 1031 Cayuga Street Apt B, Santa Cruz, CA 95062, USA (831) 236-8397 Best wishes, Bill the Bulb Baron (William R.P. Welch) On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:18 AM, buddinglandscapes@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Dell > May I please order the following seeds please numbers 1,35, 36 ,37 and 38 > Thanks Dell looking forward to hearing from you > > Leigh Rodwell Parkdale Australia > On 16/09/2013, at 10:05 PM, ds429 wrote: > >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends >> to be shared. >> >> If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me >> PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 346" in the subject line. >> >> Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not >> specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, >> too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first >> come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will >> find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually >> $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to >> ; no money orders, please) you should send the >> PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. >> >> Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are >> not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership >> charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb >> Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take >> advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: >> >> >> If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the >> PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for >> their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: >> >> Dell Sherk >> 55 W. High St. >> Salem, WV 26426 >> USA >> >> Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. >> >> I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. >> IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! >> >>> From Kipp McMichael: >> >> 1. Seeds of Brunsvigia josephiniae >> 2. Seeds of Boophone sp?, seeds from Australia >> >>> From Gastil: >> >> 3. Corms of Gladiolus italicus, mixed sizes >> 4. Corms of Moraea bellendenii ? >> >>> From Colin Davis: >> >> 5. Offset bulblets of Lachenalia sargeantii >> >>> From Jim Shields: >> >> 6. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus x H. albiflos (few) >> 7. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus ex Bokkeveld Escarpment (few) >> 8. Various sized bulbs of Haemanthus barkerae (few) >> >>> From Arnold Trachtenberg: >> >> 9. Bulblets of Lachenalia mutabilis >> 10. Bulblets of Lachenalia juncifolia >> 11. Small corms of Ferraria divaricata >> >>> From Mary Sue Ittner: >> >> 12. Corms of Ferraria densipunctulata >> >>> From Roy Herold: >> >> BULBS >> >> 13. Ambrosina bassii--Small offsets >> 14. Drimia sp (formerly Rhadamanthus)--ex Tom Glavich, BX214-19. This is >> indeed quite >> different from D. platyphylla, although the leaves are similar. The >> bulbs are two to three times the size of platyphylla, it emerges a >> month sooner (in full leaf now), and it has the curious habit of forming >> little bulbils at the soil surface at the top of the bulb neck. It has >> yet to bloom for me. Only a few. >> 15. Drimia sp. Calitzdorp--ex Gariep Nursery. Similar to >> platyphylla, but the jury is out on a positive ID. Only a few. >> 16. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus >> 17. Cyrtanthus hybrid #1 ex Logee's. Big, soft orange trumpets. >> Evergreen. >> 18. Cyrtanthus hybrid #2 ex Logee's. Smaller medium orange trumpets >> fading to pink. Evergreen. >> >>> From Larry Neel: >> >> SEEDS >> >> 19. Fritillaria bucharica >> 20. Fritillaria stenanthera >> 21. Fritillaria yuminensis, pink >> 22. Trillium albidum, plain-leafed, high elevation form >> 23. Trillium angustipetalum >> 24. Trillium angustipetalum, large form >> 25. Trillium chloropetalum, rose >> 26. Trillium chloropetalum, rose and white >> 27. Trillium chloropetalum, plum and white >> 28. Trillium kurabayashii >> 29. Trillium kurabayashii, late, high-elevation form >> 30. Trillium kurabaysahii, yellow >> 31. Trillium ovatum >> >>> From Dennis Kramb: >> >> 32. Seeds of Sinningia cardinalis, red >> >>> From Chris Elwell: >> >> SEEDS >> >> 33. Calochortus palmeri var munzii >> 34. Calochortus luteus (OP) >> 35. Calochortus venustus var. sanguineus (syn C. venustus) >> 36. Calochortus venustus, burgundy >> >>> From Jonathan Lubar: >> >> SEEDS: >> >> 37. Aristea ecklonii >> 38. Calydorea amabilis >> 39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex >> wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall >> >> Thank you, Kipp, Gastil, Colin, Jim, Arnold, Mary Sue, Roy, Larry, >> Dennis, Chris, and Jonathan !! >> >> Best wishes, >> Dell >> >> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:14:38 +1200 From: Ina Crossley Subject: [pbs] Which Tulip is this? To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <5237D72E.30308@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I was asked which Tulip this is, it is not in my garden. She thinks it is a species tulip. https://picasaweb.google.com/105705718728872493718/OddsAndSods?authkey=Gv1sRgCI2e-o-Bm7L9cQ#5924438640609097698 Ina -- Ina Crossley Auckland New Zealand zone 10a ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 04:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: ds429 Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <1379416073.80474.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have received your order. ? Best wishes, Dell ? Dell Sherk, PBS BX >________________________________ >From: "buddinglandscapes@gmail.com" >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:18 AM >Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 > > >Hi Dell >May I please order the following seeds please numbers 1,35, 36 ,37 and 38 >Thanks Dell looking forward to hearing from you >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >Leigh Rodwell Parkdale Australia >On 16/09/2013, at 10:05 PM, ds429 wrote: > >> >> >> Dear All, >>? >>? ? ? ? The items listed below have been donated by our members and >>friends to be shared. >>? >>? If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me >>PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 346" in the subject line. >>? >>? ? ? ? Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not >>specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, >>too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first >>come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will >>find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually >>$2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to >>; no money orders, please) you should send the >>PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. >>? >>? ? ? Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are >>not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership >>charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb >>Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take >>advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: >> >>? >>? ? ? ? ? If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the >>PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for >>their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: >>? >> Dell Sherk >> 55 W. High St. >> Salem, WV 26426 >> USA >>? >> Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. >>? >>? ? ? ? ? ? I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. >> IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! >> >>> From Kipp McMichael: >> >> 1. Seeds of Brunsvigia josephiniae >> 2. Seeds of Boophone sp?, seeds from Australia >> >>> From Gastil: >> >> 3. Corms of Gladiolus italicus, mixed sizes >> 4. Corms of Moraea bellendenii ? >> >>> From Colin Davis: >> >> 5. Offset bulblets of Lachenalia sargeantii >> >>> From Jim Shields: >> >> 6. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus x H. albiflos? (few) >> 7. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus ex Bokkeveld Escarpment (few) >> 8. Various sized bulbs of Haemanthus barkerae (few) >> >>> From Arnold Trachtenberg: >> >> 9. Bulblets of Lachenalia mutabilis >> 10. Bulblets of Lachenalia juncifolia >> 11. Small corms of Ferraria divaricata >> >>> From Mary Sue Ittner: >> >> 12. Corms of Ferraria densipunctulata >> >>> From Roy Herold: >> >> BULBS >> >> 13. Ambrosina bassii--Small offsets >> 14. Drimia sp (formerly Rhadamanthus)--ex Tom Glavich, BX214-19. This is >> indeed quite >> different from D. platyphylla, although the leaves are similar. The >> bulbs are two to three times the size of platyphylla, it emerges a >> month sooner (in full leaf now), and it has the curious habit of forming >> little bulbils at the soil surface at the top of the bulb neck. It has >> yet to bloom for me. Only a few. >> 15. Drimia sp. Calitzdorp--ex Gariep Nursery. Similar to >> platyphylla, but the jury is out on a positive ID. Only a few. >> 16. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus >> 17. Cyrtanthus hybrid #1 ex Logee's. Big, soft orange trumpets. >> Evergreen. >> 18. Cyrtanthus hybrid #2 ex Logee's. Smaller medium orange trumpets >> fading to pink. Evergreen. >> >>> From Larry Neel: >> >> SEEDS >> >> 19. Fritillaria bucharica >> 20. Fritillaria stenanthera >> 21. Fritillaria yuminensis, pink >> 22. Trillium albidum, plain-leafed, high elevation form >> 23. Trillium angustipetalum >> 24. Trillium angustipetalum, large form >> 25. Trillium chloropetalum, rose >> 26. Trillium chloropetalum, rose and white >> 27. Trillium chloropetalum, plum and white >> 28. Trillium kurabayashii >> 29. Trillium kurabayashii,? late, high-elevation form >> 30. Trillium kurabaysahii, yellow >> 31. Trillium ovatum >> >>> From Dennis Kramb: >> >> 32. Seeds of Sinningia cardinalis, red >> >>> From Chris Elwell: >> >> SEEDS >> >> 33. Calochortus palmeri var munzii >> 34. Calochortus luteus (OP) >> 35. Calochortus venustus var. sanguineus (syn C. venustus) >> 36. Calochortus venustus, burgundy >> >>> From Jonathan Lubar: >> >> SEEDS: >> >> 37. Aristea ecklonii >> 38. Calydorea amabilis >> 39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex >> wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall >> >> Thank you, Kipp, Gastil, Colin, Jim, Arnold, Mary Sue, Roy, Larry, >> Dennis, Chris, and Jonathan !! >> >> Best wishes, >> Dell >> >> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:11:08 -0700 (PDT) From: ds429 Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <1379419868.47646.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have received your order. ? Best wishes, Dell ? Dell Sherk, PBS BX >________________________________ >From: "billthebulbbaron@aol.com" >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:58 PM >Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 346 > > >2, 6, 7, 8, 17, 18 > >website: www.BilltheBulbBaron.com >(click on: Availability List) > >Please make all checks payable to William R.P. Welch, 1031 Cayuga Street >Apt B, Santa Cruz, CA 95062, USA (831) 236-8397 > >Best wishes, > >Bill the Bulb Baron (William R.P. Welch) > >On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:18 AM, buddinglandscapes@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi Dell >> May I please order the following seeds please numbers 1,35, 36 ,37 and 38 >> Thanks Dell looking forward to hearing from you >>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >>? Leigh Rodwell Parkdale Australia >> On 16/09/2013, at 10:05 PM, ds429 wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>>? ? ? The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends >>>to be shared. >>> >>>? If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me >>>PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 346" in the subject line. >>> >>>? ? ? ? Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not >>>specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, >>>too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first >>>come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will >>>find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually >>>$2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to >>>; no money orders, please) you should send the >>>PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. >>> >>>? ? Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are >>>not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership >>>charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb >>>Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take >>>advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: >>> >>> >>>? ? ? ? If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the >>>PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for >>>their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: >>> >>> Dell Sherk >>> 55 W. High St. >>> Salem, WV 26426 >>> USA >>> >>> Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. >>> >>>? ? ? ? ? ? I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR >>>ORDER. >>> IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! >>> >>>> From Kipp McMichael: >>> >>> 1. Seeds of Brunsvigia josephiniae >>> 2. Seeds of Boophone sp?, seeds from Australia >>> >>>> From Gastil: >>> >>> 3. Corms of Gladiolus italicus, mixed sizes >>> 4. Corms of Moraea bellendenii ? >>> >>>> From Colin Davis: >>> >>> 5. Offset bulblets of Lachenalia sargeantii >>> >>>> From Jim Shields: >>> >>> 6. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus x H. albiflos? (few) >>> 7. Good sized bulbs of Haemanthus coccineus ex Bokkeveld Escarpment >>> (few) >>> 8. Various sized bulbs of Haemanthus barkerae (few) >>> >>>> From Arnold Trachtenberg: >>> >>> 9. Bulblets of Lachenalia mutabilis >>> 10. Bulblets of Lachenalia juncifolia >>> 11. Small corms of Ferraria divaricata >>> >>>> From Mary Sue Ittner: >>> >>> 12. Corms of Ferraria densipunctulata >>> >>>> From Roy Herold: >>> >>> BULBS >>> >>> 13. Ambrosina bassii--Small offsets >>> 14. Drimia sp (formerly Rhadamanthus)--ex Tom Glavich, BX214-19. This is >>> indeed quite >>> different from D. platyphylla, although the leaves are similar. The >>> bulbs are two to three times the size of platyphylla, it emerges a >>> month sooner (in full leaf now), and it has the curious habit of forming >>> little bulbils at the soil surface at the top of the bulb neck. It has >>> yet to bloom for me. Only a few. >>> 15. Drimia sp. Calitzdorp--ex Gariep Nursery. Similar to >>> platyphylla, but the jury is out on a positive ID. Only a few. >>> 16. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus >>> 17. Cyrtanthus hybrid #1 ex Logee's. Big, soft orange trumpets. >>> Evergreen. >>> 18. Cyrtanthus hybrid #2 ex Logee's. Smaller medium orange trumpets >>> fading to pink. Evergreen. >>> >>>> From Larry Neel: >>> >>> SEEDS >>> >>> 19. Fritillaria bucharica >>> 20. Fritillaria stenanthera >>> 21. Fritillaria yuminensis, pink >>> 22. Trillium albidum, plain-leafed, high elevation form >>> 23. Trillium angustipetalum >>> 24. Trillium angustipetalum, large form >>> 25. Trillium chloropetalum, rose >>> 26. Trillium chloropetalum, rose and white >>> 27. Trillium chloropetalum, plum and white >>> 28. Trillium kurabayashii >>> 29. Trillium kurabayashii,? late, high-elevation form >>> 30. Trillium kurabaysahii, yellow >>> 31. Trillium ovatum >>> >>>> From Dennis Kramb: >>> >>> 32. Seeds of Sinningia cardinalis, red >>> >>>> From Chris Elwell: >>> >>> SEEDS >>> >>> 33. Calochortus palmeri var munzii >>> 34. Calochortus luteus (OP) >>> 35. Calochortus venustus var. sanguineus (syn C. venustus) >>> 36. Calochortus venustus, burgundy >>> >>>> From Jonathan Lubar: >>> >>> SEEDS: >>> >>> 37. Aristea ecklonii >>> 38. Calydorea amabilis >>> 39. Lilium formosanum var formosanum (syn L.f. var pricei), ex >>> wild-collected seed from Taiwan, 3 - 3.5 ft tall >>> >>> Thank you, Kipp, Gastil, Colin, Jim, Arnold, Mary Sue, Roy, Larry, >>> Dennis, Chris, and Jonathan !! >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Dell >>> >>> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 128, Issue 20 ************************************ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From kimcmich@hotmail.com Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: BX 346 CLOSED Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:18:41 -0700 Dell, I hope you are not too busy with latest BX. Did you get the Boophone and Brunsvigia seeds I sent you yet? -| Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:20:19 -0700 > From: ds429@frontier.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] BX 346 CLOSED > > This is a big one that will take me extra time to pack up. > > Enjoy, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From totototo@telus.net Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <523812B8.6550.21A7@localhost> From: "Rodger Whitlock" Subject: Which Tulip is this? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:28:40 -0700 On 17 Sep 2013, at 16:14, Ina Crossley wrote: > I was asked which Tulip this is, it is not in my garden. She thinks it > is a species tulip. > > https://picasaweb.google.com/105705718728872493718/OddsAndSods?authkey=Gv1sRgCI2 > e-o-Bm7L9cQ#5924438640609097698 The striped foliage is characteristic of the Greigii hybrid tulips, but I can't say which it is of the many cultivars in that group. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Z. 7-8, cool Mediterranean climate From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1379437593.87276.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: BX 346 CLOSED Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Yes, they are offered on BX 346 >________________________________ >From: Kipp McMichael >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:18 AM >Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 346 CLOSED > > >Dell, >  I hope you are not too busy with latest BX. Did you get the Boophone and Brunsvigia seeds I sent you yet? >-| >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:20:19 -0700 >> From: ds429@frontier.com >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> Subject: [pbs] BX 346 CLOSED >> >> This is a big one that will take me extra time to pack up. >>  >> Enjoy, >> Dell >>  >> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >                        >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From kimcmich@hotmail.com Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:17:31 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Boophone sp Aus in BX 346 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:14:52 -0700 Greetings, I was busy this weekend and did not see the BX until it was over. The Boophone seeds from are not from Australia but named after Aus in Namibia. Several of you may be familar with the story from prior exchanges, but for those who aren't: Around 9 years ago, specimen bulbs of "Boophone sp Aus" were offered by Guy Wrinkle and other rare bulb purveyors. As far as I can ascertain (the two prinicipals now being sadly departed), these bulbs ultimately originated with Charles Craib. These original specimens were said to be from Aus, Namibia. Around 6 years ago, rareplants.co.uk began offering bulbs listed as juvenile Boophone sp Aus. The description, however, was as follows: "A new and as yet un-named species or form, once known only from near Aus in Namibia, but also discovered in a small region of southern S. Africa." I have confirmed that rareplants received these bulbs from Charles Craib. Barring confusion on rareplants part, I tend to trust Charles Craib's identification - though I do acknowledge a disjunct distribution in Aus and "southern South Africa" would be unusual. I bought 3 of those bulbs and the seed offered in BX 346 are from these 3 plants which all bloomed this year. I also have 3 Boophone sp bulbs offered by Charles Craib/Simply Indigenous as "eastern Cape evergreen form" which some have speculated may be the same as the southern South African bulbs purported to be sp Aus. The "evergreen" bulbs do bloom about the same time as the sp. Aus bulbs (and with a similar pink color), but the foliage of the evergreen sp is greener and more pliant - even when they were grown in the same positions. The sp Aus bulbs have tighter fans of blue leaves. I highlight the differences here, but this is all within the context of bulbs from a genus whose species are very similar. So there is the long story about these Boophone "sp. Aus" seeds. -| From: jeff Subject: reply Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:41:16 +0200 1E581036-A208-4FC7-BAEA-95968912A306@gmail.com hello if it can be helpful to anybody , i cultivate some Moraea and the bulbs size and shape are really different for theese two species ( Bellendenii and bipartita) mature corms. Here is a link to a picture of my gallery. http://www.bulbesetpots.com/index.php?option=com_fwgallery&view=image&id=446:moraea-corms&Itemid=155#fwgallerytop regards jeff France From 64kkmjr@gmail.com Tue, 17 Sep 2013 12:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: Boophone sp Aus in BX 346 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:42:33 -0700 Thanks for the info. How long from seed to bloom? Will you be offering seeds or offsets next year? Karl Church On Sep 17, 2013 11:15 AM, "Kipp McMichael" wrote: > Greetings, > > I was busy this weekend and did not see the BX until it was over. > > The Boophone seeds from are not from Australia but named after Aus in > Namibia. Several of you may be familar with the story from prior exchanges, > but for those who aren't: > > Around 9 years ago, specimen bulbs of "Boophone sp Aus" were offered by > Guy Wrinkle and other rare bulb purveyors. As far as I can ascertain (the > two prinicipals now being sadly departed), these bulbs ultimately > originated with Charles Craib. These original specimens were said to be > from Aus, Namibia. > > Around 6 years ago, rareplants.co.uk began offering bulbs listed as > juvenile Boophone sp Aus. The description, however, was as follows: "A new > and as yet un-named species or form, once known only from near Aus in > Namibia, but also discovered in a small region of southern S. Africa." > > I have confirmed that rareplants received these bulbs from Charles > Craib. Barring confusion on rareplants part, I tend to trust Charles > Craib's identification - though I do acknowledge a disjunct distribution in > Aus and "southern South Africa" would be unusual. > > I bought 3 of those bulbs and the seed offered in BX 346 are from these > 3 plants which all bloomed this year. > > I also have 3 Boophone sp bulbs offered by Charles Craib/Simply > Indigenous as "eastern Cape evergreen form" which some have speculated may > be the same as the southern South African bulbs purported to be sp Aus. The > "evergreen" bulbs do bloom about the same time as the sp. Aus bulbs (and > with a similar pink color), but the foliage of the evergreen sp is greener > and more pliant - even when they were grown in the same positions. The sp > Aus bulbs have tighter fans of blue leaves. I highlight the differences > here, but this is all within the context of bulbs from a genus whose > species are very similar. > > So there is the long story about these Boophone "sp. Aus" seeds. > > -| > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From klazina1@gmail.com Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5238AF70.70003@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Which Tulip is this? Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:37:20 +1200 Thank you Roger and Roland. I have passed the information on to the owner. Ina Ina Crossley Auckland New Zealand zone 10a On 18/09/2013 3:28 a.m., Rodger Whitlock wrote: > On 17 Sep 2013, at 16:14, Ina Crossley wrote: > >> I was asked which Tulip this is, it is not in my garden. She thinks it >> is a species tulip. >> >> https://picasaweb.google.com/105705718728872493718/OddsAndSods?authkey=Gv1sRgCI2 >> e-o-Bm7L9cQ#5924438640609097698 > The striped foliage is characteristic of the Greigii hybrid tulips, but I can't > say which it is of the many cultivars in that group. > > From richrd@nas.com Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <90361035-4443-491D-8B3C-714B78757973@nas.com> From: Richard Subject: Field images Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:24:00 -0700 Tracking those plants that were blooming last spring. Oooo look here in my laptop screen next to those pieces of rotten wood. Must have been lunch for a hungry deer. http://flic.kr/p/fX5zg5 Lilium pardalimum in natural habitat, a riparian horsetail thicket, Sacramento River headwaters. http://flic.kr/p/fX4jZF From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1VMmGJ-32fTTG0@fwd08.t-online.de> From: "Johannes-Ulrich Urban" Subject: BX Date: 19 Sep 2013 21:55 GMT Dear Dell, dear All Sorry to use the list but I never got a reply from you for my order of the BX 346, I was interested in No 17. Am I using the correct e-mail adress? I sent you 3 mails none of which came back. Did you get my e-mails? Sorry again and Thank you Dell for the marvellous job you are doing for all of us Uli From richrd@nas.com Fri, 20 Sep 2013 00:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Richard Subject: dissemination mechanism? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 00:05:52 -0700 Been looking at Lilium washingtonianum at northern limit of range in Oregon. A very robust plant growing often in bare road cuts, ie sub soil and dry habitat, in this area 4000 feet elevation or close. Encroaching vegetation is Alnus sinuata another pioneer plant eventually young conifers, and other shrubs. Of 5 sightings one was in established conifer community. Is this lily and other L. spp pioneer species? Query relates to restoration efforts. http://flic.kr/p/fYAC9H seed pod up close - very nice, large seeds in this species. Seeds seem to shed with shaking by wind or passing botanists. These flat lily seeds seem adapted to sticking to ground and not passing animals. Although wet adhere to skin and fur (inside of my damp collecting bag). Any information about natural dissemination mechanisms? The genus out here seems to have a contagious distribution, growing in clustered populations especially at forest edges, even trails. http://flic.kr/p/fYACjx In flower http://flic.kr/p/fYQwxH From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: dissemination mechanism? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:04:21 -0700 Richard wrote >Been looking at Lilium washingtonianum at northern limit of range in >Oregon. A very robust plant growing often in bare road cuts, ie sub >soil and dry habitat, in this area 4000 feet elevation or close. >Encroaching vegetation is Alnus sinuata another pioneer plant >eventually young conifers, and other shrubs. Of 5 sightings one was >in established conifer community. Is this lily and other L. spp >pioneer species? Query relates to restoration efforts. As Richard noted, the native Pacific Northwest lilies Lilium washingtonianum and Lilium columbianum are often seen in flower at forest margins, next to trails and road cuts. I've also noticed L. columbianum flowering profusely in areas that were clear-cut a few years earlier. It's likely that seed of lilies and other plants can germinate much more easily in the disturbed soil of such sites, which would qualify them as "pioneer plants," but in the case of the lilies, it's also possible that they were present as non-flowering plants for many years and flowered when they were able to put on a growth spurt with extra sunshine and nutrients from soil disturbance. Trillium ovatum also does this, as I noticed when I had an access cleared into the forest on my former property. So does the endemic Clackamas Iris, Iris tenuis, which persists in the forest without flowering but bursts into bloom on road cuts and under the high-tension power line where we usually take visitors to see it. An interesting case among bulbous plants is Erythronium elegans, an endemic of a couple of mountaintops in the Oregon Coast Range. Its habitat is slowly being overgrown by trees, partly because it's protected, and we see the Erythronium in flower only in the clear areas. Fortunately, the Mount Hebo population grows partly on a very steep slope where trees are not likely to take hold, but as the forest encroaches under the influence of global warming and fire suppression, the last strongholds of this species are under threat. Observations like these tell us that "shade plants" might more usefully be called "shade-tolerant plants," and that in some regions they may perform better given more sun. I think this is especially so when we bring the plants into gardens north of their native range. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Help with website questions Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:51:30 -0700 Hello all, People who visit the PBS website can send questions to it, and many of these come to me as Membership Coordinator. Some of the questions are about plants unfamiliar to me, so I refer them to this forum, as I did with the recent question from a gardener in Qatar about growing Caladium. She asks me to convey her thanks to Boyce Tankersley and Leo Martin, who were very helpful. Sometimes the questions are in languages other than English. I can read a number of these, but I feel comfortable writing in only a few, so I'm asking for help in formulating my replies. The questions often involve information about using the website, and I don't know, and can't find, the Spanish, French, and German equivalents for terms such as these: click on, button, highlighted, post, (web) page. I know a few others from seeing them when using computers in other countries, such as "search." (And how do you ask the Internet center clerk, "Where is the @?!" It was once Control Q but it seems to have been moved. Not to mention finding an apostrophe in keyboards designed for languages that don't use it.) Webmaster David Pilling sometimes uses Google's translate function, but today it was baffled by a message that I think was sent from a phone, without punctuation. Fortunately the organic brain does not need punctuation as much as the AI does. Can some of our multilingual members please write to me (privately, as this is not very bulb-related) and tell me how to say the abovementioned words in various European languages? Our inquiry function apparently doesn't support questions posed in non-European writing systems, so at least I'm not begging for an assistant who reads Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Arabic, or Hindi. The flow of information about our beloved plants that travels the world is a constant source of wonder to me. The help gardeners extend to one another and the living world truly reflects the "peace" in Pacific Bulb Society. Jane McGary Membership Coordinator, PBS From ksayce@willapabay.org Sat, 21 Sep 2013 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1DD007C5-D898-4D54-AD8B-6C223C78ECF2@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: dissemination mechanism? Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 09:37:56 -0700 I agree with Jane about shade tolerance. On Saddle Mtn in northwest Oregon, a storm in 2009 opened up a formerly densely shaded stand of Douglas-fir, and now the understory is coming into dense foliage cover and abundant flowers. Included in this formerly light-starved, tolerating the shade group are Lilium columbianum, Prosartes hookerii, P. smithii, Maianthemum racemosum and M. stellatum, and Trillium ovatum. Even the sedges are flowering more heavily, including Carex mertensiana and C. hendersonii. From observations made in other forests in the Pacific Northwest, Pacifica Iris persist in sometimes very dense shade for decades, waiting for light after wind throw or forest fires, to come into full growth and bloom. These include Iris tenax, innominata, douglasiana, thompsonii, and other species. On Saddle Mtn, Iris tenax grows at higher elevations in more open areas. Lack of forest disturbance has shaded it out below 2400 ft, where this stand occurs, though if it appears in the next few years in this stand, it will be yet another site where irises persisted as seeds and vegetative clumps in dense shade. Kathleen Pacific Northwest Coast, zone 8, mild wet winters, cool dryish summers From petersirises@gmail.com Sat, 21 Sep 2013 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: dissemination mechanism? Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 20:07:12 +0100 I concur. Woodland in Britain, too dark to support ground covering plants except perhaps Hedera helix, when opened up takes about five years to become carpeted with Hyacinthoides non scripta, Narcissus, Rannunculus ficaria, Anenemone nemerosa, Iris foetidissima, Mercurialis perennis and many others will appear -as if from no-where. Peter UK On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Kathleen Sayce wrote: > I agree with Jane about shade tolerance. On Saddle Mtn in northwest > Oregon, a storm in 2009 opened up a formerly densely shaded stand of > Douglas-fir, and now the understory is coming into dense foliage cover and > abundant flowers. Included in this formerly light-starved, tolerating the > shade group > >From observations made in other forests in the Pacific Northwest, > Pacifica Iris persist in sometimes very dense shade for decades, waiting > for light after wind throw or forest fires, to come into full growth and > bloom. These include Iris tenax, innominata, douglasiana, thompsonii, and > other species. > From ds429@frontier.com Sun, 22 Sep 2013 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1379850867.97256.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Please use my new email address Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 04:54:27 -0700 (PDT) It appears that some folks are still using my old email address which I cancelled a month ago. It is important that you switch to the new address:  ds429@frontier.com   Thanks, Dell From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: PBS information for San Francisco event Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:45:11 -0700 Gary Turner contacted me through the PBS website with the following inquiry: >Does the PBS ever attend plant and flower shows or sales? In the San >Francisco CA area, we have an annual spring sale held at the Hall of >Flowers in Golden Gate Park, namely, the San Francisco Spring Plant >Sale Extravaganza. More info at >http://sfspringplantsaleextravaganza.org. We are expanding the >amount of society and vendor tables available at our June 14, 2014 >event, and we are curious if your society would be interested in >reserving a table, while we still have space available. I had no >idea that the PBS even existed until I started googling \'Nerine >bulbs\' for the deep orange flowered version I saw in a garden tour >in Monterey Bay. I attended the MBMG.org tour and and saw these >vivid orange-red flowers and said, I HAVE to get some of these! >Please have someone contact me even if you are only interested in >having an information table during our event. Thank you, Gary Turner >Behrtek@yahoo.com Webmaster@sfspringplantsaleextravaganza.org >860-221-8800 (cell), or 510-972-8997 (Google Voice which forwards to my cell). If any of our Bay Area members want to pursue this, the PBS does have some printed informational materials available from treasurer Arnold Trachtenberg. Please contact Gary Turner directly if you're interested in doing this. It would also be an opportunity to display potted specimens. Jane McGary Membership Coordinator, PBS From nikko123@btinternet.com Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <83623DA06CCA49BF8A2C6067D66EC5A2@NickPC> From: "Nick de Rothschild" Subject: ID help please Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:50:09 +0100 .... We have some pots of this in flower : http://www.nerines.com/whatisit.html I’ve put it on a web page as I do not know how to post photos on the wiki, we think it is Drimiopsis kirkii but would like confirmation as we have no pictorial references to go on – (see page) I’ve also put a pic of scilla lingulata var ciliolata which you don’t seem to have If that method of supplying pictures works I’ll see what other plants we have that you might like pix of as we have allsorts coming on in our collections here at Exbury. For those of you interested in nerines, ours here are just throwing bud spikes and we look forward to a splendid flowering season, auguries are good! and we are more than ever convinced that temperature fluctuation between day and night is the trigger for this to happen. I’ve got as far as creating a comprehensive database of the collection which we hope we will manage to get on-line one day! Best wishes Nick de Rothschild _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From cchowar1027@yahoo.com Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1379959497.64380.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Cody Howard Subject: ID help please Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Nick, This looks like Drimia haworthioides. Best, Cody Pasadena, CA ________________________________ From: Nick de Rothschild To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:50 AM Subject: [pbs] ID help please .... We have some pots of this in flower : http://www.nerines.com/whatisit.html I’ve put it on a web page as I do not know how to post photos on the wiki, we think it is Drimiopsis kirkii but would like confirmation as we have no pictorial references to go on  – (see page) I’ve also put a pic of scilla lingulata var ciliolata which you don’t seem to have If that method of supplying pictures works I’ll see what other plants we have that you might like pix of as we have allsorts coming on in our collections here at Exbury. For those of you interested in nerines, ours here are just throwing bud spikes and we look forward to a splendid flowering season, auguries are good! and we are more than ever convinced that temperature fluctuation between day and night is the trigger for this to happen.  I’ve got as far as creating a comprehensive database of the collection which we hope we will manage to get on-line one day! Best wishes Nick de Rothschild _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From leo@possi.org Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <85a5ccf287696dc5908a966bab08c165.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: San Francisco events in October? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:07:24 -0700 (PDT) I am considering visiting San Francisco sometime this fall. Are there any interesting plant events on October weekends? I used to live there so I am familiar with the streets but that was a while ago. Thanks, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From faeden4444@sbcglobal.net Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1379966289.19594.YahooMailNeo@web181705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Marilyn Pekasky Subject: San Francisco events in October? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Here's some info re plant events here in October: The San Jose C&S Show and Sale (http://www.csssj.org/) is on October 12-13 in Sunnyvale. The UC Berkeley Botanic Garden (http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu/) has the Food of the Americas exhibit October 2-18, in addition to other events which might be of interest to you.  They also have plants for sale all the time.  If you decide to come up, let me know.  I'm usually there on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but can come up on other days as well.  Unfortunately our fall plant sale is this coming Sunday, September 28, so I know you'll miss that. Not much happening at the San Francisco Botanical Garden (http://www.sfbotanicalgarden.org/), but take a look at their calendar of events. The Ruth Bancroft Garden (http://www.ruthbancroftgarden.org/) has a plant sale on October 5.  Other than that they only have walk-in tours. Filoli (http://www.filoli.org/) doesn't seem to have much going on at all. Can't think of anywhere else right now.  If I do, I'll let you know. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Leo A. Martin To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [pbs] San Francisco events in October? I am considering visiting San Francisco sometime this fall. Are there any interesting plant events on October weekends? I used to live there so I am familiar with the streets but that was a while ago. Thanks, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From randysgarden@gmail.com Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Randall P. Linke" Subject: San Francisco events in October? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:22:15 -0700 San Francisco Botanical Garden has their plant sale on Oct. 12th from 10:00 to 1:00. Randy On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Marilyn Pekasky wrote: > Here's some info re plant events here in October: > > The San Jose C&S Show and Sale (http://www.csssj.org/) is on October > 12-13 in Sunnyvale. > > The UC Berkeley Botanic Garden (http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu/) has > the Food of the Americas exhibit October 2-18, in addition to other events > which might be of interest to you. They also have plants for sale all the > time. If you decide to come up, let me know. I'm usually there on > Tuesdays and Thursdays, but can come up on other days as well. > Unfortunately our fall plant sale is this coming Sunday, September 28, so I > know you'll miss that. > > Not much happening at the San Francisco Botanical Garden > (http://www.sfbotanicalgarden.org/), but take a look at their calendar > of events. > > The Ruth Bancroft Garden (http://www.ruthbancroftgarden.org/) has a plant > sale on October 5. Other than that they only have walk-in tours. > > Filoli (http://www.filoli.org/) doesn't seem to have much going on at all. > > Can't think of anywhere else right now. If I do, I'll let you know. > > Marilyn > > > ________________________________ > From: Leo A. Martin > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:07 AM > Subject: [pbs] San Francisco events in October? > > > I am considering visiting San Francisco sometime this fall. Are there any > interesting > plant events on October weekends? I used to live there so I am familiar > with the streets > but that was a while ago. > > Thanks, > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- * * * * From richrd@nas.com Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <6ACB2DD0-C7BE-46CA-801F-88E355B4B1F8@nas.com> From: Richard Subject: Seed Dispersal Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:18:19 -0700 As I have been collecting lily seed pods this fall just ahead of the rains and the early snowfall in the Cascades of Washington and Oregon, it is interesting there always seems to be some seed left in the pods no matter how long since mature. Dispersal mechanisms is an old scientific study thread of my own as I spent a good bit of time looking at spore dispersal in mushrooms, and plant disease fungi. Some pods will pop open forcibly spreading the seeds but in the lily there is an adaptive advantage to dole out it's seeds out over time. I googled this topic of seed dispersal in lilies and came up with a botany manual for students written by William James Beale in 1898. "Seed Dispersal, William James Beal, 1898, (scanned by google books)" Here he explains (i had to slightly edit the scan) "Ripened pods of lilies usually stand straight up on a stiff elastic stem .( FiG 33) At the left a dry fruit of a lily opening to permit seeds to dry and the wind to enter to the right a fruit later in the season Two views of a flat seed at the top each one slowly splits into three parts which gradually separate from each other. Why do they not burst open all of a sudden like pea pods and shoot the seeds all about and have the job done with Or why does not the pod burst open at the lower end first instead of the upper? Observe that the three opening cells are lashed together loosely with a latticework No slight breeze can dislodge the seeds but just see how they behave in a gale The elastic stems are swayed back and against each other and some of the upper seeds tossed out by the wind that passes through the and at such times are often carried to some The seeds at the top having escaped the dry pods down farther and still farther and open still wider the bottom is reached As the seeds are not all away the first or even the second time and as breezes may come from different directions it is possible for the lily to scatter its seeds in all The seeds of the lily are flat very thin and rather light not designed to be shot out like bullets but to be carried a little way by the wind the pods are erect and open at the top that the seeds need not escape when there is no wind or unless some animal gives the stem a strong shake The latticework was made for a purpose and the gradual opening of the pods prevents the supply from all going in one direction or in one day for a better day may arrive " I'm fascinated by this latticework and I took this picture of a dry Lilium washingtonianum, . But how do lilies, and also Erythronium appear as pioneers in cutbanks or recently disturbed ground. Surely as discussed in this earlier post established bulbs are released into blooming condition by over-story removal.I have not found any mention in literature yet of a seed movement mechanism in lily, Erythronium yet but I think the flat shape adheres to passing wet animals on feet and fur, feathers. Clips from original reference http://books.google.com/books?id=-MQXAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA46&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U2VoheDEp4HKigYxCKD7h7YEt90yQ&ci=72%2C308%2C829%2C896&edge=0 http://books.google.com/books?id=-MQXAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA47&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U24FPnYr_XfrI7B4cwY7TtYqMBX0A&ci=69%2C155%2C804%2C810&edge=0 Richard Haard, Propagation Manager Fourth Corner Nurseries Bellingham, Wa. Native Plants Forever From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:17:10 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Seed Dispersal Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:24:00 -0700 Richard wrote >But how do lilies, and also Erythronium appear as pioneers in >cutbanks or recently disturbed ground. Surely as discussed in this >earlier post established bulbs are released into blooming condition >by over-story removal.I have not found any mention in literature yet >of a seed movement mechanism in lily, Erythronium yet but I think >the flat shape adheres to passing wet animals on feet and fur, feathers. > Seeds of western North American Erythronium species are distributed by ants, which carry them off to eat a nutritive structure on the seed and then drop the fertile main part. An exhaustive (and to me, as editor, exhausting) discussion of this appeared in the Rock Garden Quarterly a few years ago. This is also true of western Trillium. Lily seeds are probably distributed not only by wind, but also by flowing water. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From leo@possi.org Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <0464fd14589354dc475a331f8e856f90.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: San Francisco events in October? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Thanks to the Bay Area responders. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Czech botany website Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:31:34 -0700 Dr. Cedrik Haskovec, who has recently contributed some photos to the wiki, mentioned photos on the website http://botany.cz/ which has a lot of very fine images and text, including an English-language option. The contributors include a number of names that will be familiar to rock and alpine gardeners in particular. It's well worth visiting. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1380130410.96257.YahooMailNeo@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 347 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Dear All,          The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared.     If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 347" in the subject line.           Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added.        Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:              If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to:   Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA   Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds.               I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Monica Swartz: 1. Seeds of Lachenalia liliiflora From Mike Mace: 2. Seeds of Romulea tetragona 3. Seeds of Moraea vespertina From Mary Sue Ittner: SEEDS: 4. Cyclamen pseudibericum 5. Pelargonium incrassatum 6. Phaedranassa cinerea 7. Nothoscordum sp. from Harry Hay as N. ostenii 8. Geissorhiza imbricata 9. Freesia leichtlinii ssp. alba 10. Veltheimia bracteata 11. Cyclamen repandum 12. Allium hyalinum 13. Leucocoryne vittata hybrid From Gastil: 14. Seeds of Gladiolus italicus 15. Seeds of Aristea capitata From Chris Elwell (I think) 16. Seeds of Albuca spiralis 17. Seeds of Lachenalia hirta From Dave Boucher: SEEDS: 18. Pamianthe peruviana 19. Lilium longiflorum ex Okinawa 20. Scilla haemorrhoidalis 21. Herbertia lahue From Jerry Lehmann: 22. Seeds of Albuca shawii 23. Seeds of Ornithogalum viridiflorum From Karl Church: 24. Seeds of Ornithogalum fimbrimarginatum HRG 118287, ISI 2013-27, S. Hammer and C. Barnhill. Tall inflorescense with white, narcissus-like flowers, open pollinated From Kathleen Sayce: SEEDS: 25. Lilium columbianum, "Columbia lily" ex hort. Parent seeds from Saddle Mtn, NW Oregon, orange flowers May-June, open pollinated 26. Leucojum aestivum 27. Fritillaria affinis 28. Tulipa turkestanica 29. Tulipa greigii 30. Tulipa clusiana From Marvin Ellenbecker: 31. Seeds of Freesia laxa, mostly red 32. Seeds of Louisiana iris, light blue 33. Seeds of Sisyrinchium bellum, "blue-eyed grass" From Roy Herold: SEEDS: 34. Paeonia obovata, white 35. Medeola virginiana, wc  Carlisle, MA 36. Arisaema triphyllum, population 1, wc Carlisle, MA 37. Arisaema triphyllum, population 2, wc Carlisle, MA 38. Arisaema triphyllum ssp. stewardsonii, wc Carlisle, MA 39. Arisaema flavum 40. Sinopodophyllum hexandrum 41. Smilacina (Maianthemum?)racemosa 'Aaron's Variegated' Thank you, Monica, Mike, Mary Sue, Gastil, Chris, Dave, Jerry, Karl, Kathleen, Marvin, and Roy !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1380134020.62038.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: BX 347:: all of the pamianthe seeds are claimed Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From bea.spencer@sympatico.ca Thu, 26 Sep 2013 04:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: bea spencer Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 347 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:34:11 -0400 Dear Dell, Could you assist me in retrieving the content description of lists # 342 and 343? The orders came when I was away in Europe and of course the items and envelopes are numbered. I cannot find the lists in my old "received mails" list either because I thoughtlessly deleted them or because I am temporarily using a different setting and due to my limited skills cannot navigate it proficiently. I would like to know what it is that I am planting (several different species of lachenalia and the seed called #1) and two different crinum bulbs. The archives of the pbs only go as far as list # 300.Too bad about the pamianthe seed, but I trust there will be another chance.Thanks, Bea From klazina1@gmail.com Thu, 26 Sep 2013 04:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <524411F0.9010505@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 347 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:52:32 +1200 http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2013-August/hmmr6qt72m1akib70r5j6b7c22.html http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2013-August/tokmen9rn26prn0unftbs7ddq4.html All I did Bea, was Google BX 342 Pacific Bulb Society, and there it is. Ina Ina Crossley Auckland New Zealand zone 10a On 26/09/2013 10:34 p.m., bea spencer wrote: > > > Dear Dell, > Could you assist me in retrieving the content description of lists # 342 and 343? The orders came when I was away in Europe and of course the items and envelopes are numbered. I cannot find the lists in my old "received mails" list either because I thoughtlessly deleted them or because I am temporarily using a different setting and due to my limited skills cannot navigate it proficiently. I would like to know what it is that I am planting (several different species of lachenalia and the seed called #1) and two different crinum bulbs. The archives of the pbs only go as far as list # 300.Too bad about the pamianthe seed, but I trust there will be another chance.Thanks, Bea > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From bea.spencer@sympatico.ca Thu, 26 Sep 2013 04:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: bea spencer Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 347 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:07:38 -0400 Thank you Ina! This should be easy! > From ds429@frontier.com Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1380197921.8523.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: BX 347 CLOSED Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 05:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Should go out after the weekend.   Enjoy, Dell   DellSherk, PBS BX From youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Youngs Aberdeen" Subject: International Rock Gardener 45 September 2013 ISSN 2053-7557 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:30:34 +0100 The September issue of IRG welcomes the autumn to the northern hemisphere as spring gets into its stride in the south. You can find the issue here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2013Sep271380237181IRG45September2013.pdf Two Czech Rock Gardeners in Nepal is by Zdenek Zvolánek, with photographs by Mojmír Pavelka and Vladimír Stanek. For the World of Bulbs, Rogan Roth from South Africa speaks of his lifelong affection for Tigridia pavonia Jozef Lemmens of Belgium,supplies both text and photos for the first part of his article on Zhongdian and Zdenek Zvolánek introduces the recently described Campanula hacerae. M.Young. From leo@possi.org Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <3302c0b1a6c99200611f04c7c75d2ae0.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Finding information on BX Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 18:24:52 -0700 (PDT) For finding information on past Bx offerings, one can go to the Wiki, click at the top on List, then enter the desired BX number in the search box. From jwickham@sbcglobal.net Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1380302643.21737.YahooMailNeo@web181204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: John Wickham Subject: White Tritleia Question Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:24:03 -0700 (PDT) I've seen several selections of white flowered Triteleia and am now a little confused. Are T. 'Silver Queen', T. 'White Queen', and T. 'White Sweep' the same or are they different. If they are different, then how? From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: White Triteleia Question Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:19:36 -0700 John Wickham asked >I've seen several selections of white flowered Triteleia and am now >a little confused. Are T. 'Silver Queen', T. 'White Queen', and T. >'White Sweep' the same or are they different. If they are different, then how? Note correction of typo in original subject line. I looked at the photos available via Google, and what I deduced from them and my knowledge of the companies offering them is that 'Silver Queen' and 'White Sweep' are different, and 'White Queen' is a name that appears only in the online catalog of a less than reliable supplier. They are said to be white or whitish selections from the normally blue-lavender Triteleia laxa, which is also offered in other named forms, the oldest being 'Queen Fabiola', so 'Silver Queen' is probably a sport of that. Both the names and the photos suggest that 'White Sweep' is brighter white, but bulb catalogs typically Photoshop the colors, so who knows? Anyway, they are cheap, so investing in a small bag of them would be worthwhile. A species that has nearly all white flowers in the typical form is Triteleia peduncularis, which is very well worth growing and hardy to at least 15 degrees F. I sent some seed to the BX recently. Another white-flowered themid is Triteleia hyacinthina, which I think is the best for use in the border because of its large, dense inflorescence, somewhat resembling an Allium. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From msittner@mcn.org Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20130927182548.8B175E9AD1@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: White Triteleia Question Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:25:46 -0700 Probably the only way you could know for sure is to grow them all and compare them. I looked at the photos of some of the offerings and they don't show the parts of the flowers that would help you figure out whether they could be a white form of Triteleia laxa, Triteleia peduncularis that someone decided to name, or Triteleia hyacinthina. Since all of these species show great variation in nature depending on where they are found and many have a broad distribution, it gets even more complicated. Brent and Becky's sell two of them and they don't tell you how tall 'Silver Queen' gets, but say that 'White Sweep' is a form of Triteleia laxa that grows to 24". Another web site says it is about 1 foot tall. So are they both selling the same thing? Is 'White Sweep' really a form of Triteleia laxa? One picture I saw of 'Silver Queen' made it look like T. peduncularis with long pedicels. All of this gets more complicated since sellers often use photos they find on the Internet to illustrate plants they are selling rather than photograph their own plants. I recently was alerted to photos of mine lifted from the wiki for Ebay and other sellers. It actually was a picture of an entirely different species than the one they were selling. If they were actually growing that plant and looked at the picture they were using to illustrate it, they would have known it was wrong. Mary Sue >Are T. 'Silver Queen', T. 'White Queen', and T. 'White Sweep' the >same or are they different. If they are different, then how? From jwickham@sbcglobal.net Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1380311241.76355.YahooMailNeo@web181206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: John Wickham Subject: White Triteleia Question Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Sounds like we're all in the same neighborhood. I tried the Google search as well and the photos were confounding. I actually have all three, but of course the question didn't occur to me until they went dormant. I'll have to wait til May or June, I guess. Grateful for the insight into the seller's strategies. ________________________________ From: Mary Sue Ittner To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] White Triteleia Question Probably the only way you could know for sure is to grow them all and compare them. I looked at the photos of some of the offerings and they don't show the parts of the flowers that would help you figure out whether they could be a white form of Triteleia laxa, Triteleia peduncularis that someone decided to name, or Triteleia hyacinthina. Since all of these species show great variation in nature depending on where they are found and many have a broad distribution, it gets even more complicated. Brent and Becky's sell two of them and they don't tell you how tall 'Silver Queen' gets, but say that 'White Sweep' is a form of Triteleia laxa that grows to 24". Another web site says it is about 1 foot tall. So are they both selling the same thing? Is 'White Sweep' really a form of Triteleia laxa? One picture I saw of 'Silver Queen' made it look like T. peduncularis with long pedicels. All of this gets more complicated since sellers often use photos they find on the Internet to illustrate plants they are selling rather than photograph their own plants. I recently was alerted to photos of mine lifted from the wiki for Ebay and other sellers. It actually was a picture of an entirely different species than the one they were selling. If they were actually growing that plant and looked at the picture they were using to illustrate it, they would have known it was wrong. Mary Sue >Are T. 'Silver Queen', T. 'White Queen', and T. 'White Sweep' the >same or are they different. If they are different, then how? From giantcoreopsis@gmail.com Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <539997F5-E142-4B71-BB0D-BA9B8390CC8F@gmail.com> From: Giant Coreopsis Subject: White Triteleia Question Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:07:37 -0700 This discussion reminds me of a question I have had about these species. I read that T. peduncularis and to a lesser degree T. hyacinthina are moisture-loving. Do they nevertheless require dry dormancy in the heat of summer? Regards, Chris On Sep 27, 2013, at 12:47 PM, John Wickham wrote: > Sounds like we're all in the same neighborhood. I tried the Google search as well and the photos were confounding. I actually have all three, but of course the question didn't occur to me until they went dormant. I'll have to wait til May or June, I guess. Grateful for the insight into the seller's strategies. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mary Sue Ittner > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [pbs] White Triteleia Question > > > Probably the only way you could know for sure is to grow them all and > compare them. I looked at the photos of some of the offerings and > they don't show the parts of the flowers that would help you figure > out whether they could be a white form of Triteleia laxa, Triteleia > peduncularis that someone decided to name, or Triteleia hyacinthina. > Since all of these species show great variation in nature depending > on where they are found and many have a broad distribution, it gets > even more complicated. Brent and Becky's sell two of them and they > don't tell you how tall 'Silver Queen' gets, but say that 'White > Sweep' is a form of Triteleia laxa that grows to 24". Another web > site says it is about 1 foot tall. So are they both selling the same > thing? Is 'White Sweep' really a form of Triteleia laxa? One picture > I saw of 'Silver Queen' made it look like T. peduncularis with long > pedicels. All of this gets more complicated since sellers often use > photos they find on the Internet to illustrate plants they are > selling rather than photograph their own plants. I recently was > alerted to photos of mine lifted from the wiki for Ebay and other > sellers. It actually was a picture of an entirely different species > than the one they were selling. If they were actually growing that > plant and looked at the picture they were using to illustrate it, > they would have known it was wrong. > > Mary Sue > >> Are T. 'Silver Queen', T. 'White Queen', and T. 'White Sweep' the >> same or are they different. If they are different, then how? > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From petersirises@gmail.com Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: White Triteleia Question Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:22:05 +0100 T. Queen Fabiola as I have it is tolerant of summer moisture as is T peduncularis but peduncularis requires perfect drainage for wet summers here. T laxa, T peduncularis, and T hyacintha all tolerate a summer drought in the green house for me. T Queen Fabiola seeds in the open sand plunge and has always been variable in colour, so I suggest that the cultivar name is no longer of any value, as commercial stocks are probably equally varied. My observations are based on a limited number of accessions but from a variable climate conditions. Peter (UK) On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Giant Coreopsis wrote: > This discussion reminds me of a question I have had about these species. I > read that T. peduncularis and to a lesser degree T. hyacinthina are > moisture-loving. Do they nevertheless require dry dormancy in the heat of > summer? Regards, Chris > > From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: White Triteleia Question Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:02:19 -0700 Chris asked, >This discussion reminds me of a question I have had about these >species. I read that T. peduncularis and to a lesser degree T. >hyacinthina are moisture-loving. Do they nevertheless require dry >dormancy in the heat of summer? Regards, Chris No, both these species tolerate summer water as long as they are in a well-drained site. However, they also tolerate dry dormancy. I have grown both in both kinds of positions for many years. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From richrd@nas.com Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4E386935-1EF7-46A2-AA23-B7A165BD0DE6@nas.com> From: Richard Subject: White Triteleia Question Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:17:50 -0700 My experience collecting T. hyacinthina seed is the plant is typically found in spring wet meadows, some locations indeed are completely dry in the drought of August. In cultivation however this species does quite well in well drained soil. Natural habitat requirements does not always translate to best garden condition. This is because competitive factors in nature determine success. At the nursery we have seen this mesic is ok with maintenance with many species of emergents, such as cattail and scirpus acutus. Rich Haard Bellingham, Wa., On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Jane McGary wrote: > Chris asked, >> This discussion reminds me of a question I have had about these >> species. I read that T. peduncularis and to a lesser degree T. >> hyacinthina are moisture-loving. Do they nevertheless require dry >> dormancy in the heat of summer? Regards, Chris > > No, both these species tolerate summer water as long as they are in a > well-drained site. However, they also tolerate dry dormancy. I have > grown both in both kinds of positions for many years. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: White Triteleia Question/vendor veracity image search Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:14:27 +0100 In message <20130927182548.8B175E9AD1@lists.ibiblio.org>, Mary Sue Ittner writes >pedicels. All of this gets more complicated since sellers often use >photos they find on the Internet to illustrate plants they are >selling rather than photograph their own plants. Someone recently told me about: http://images.google.com/ which will let you search the web for similar images. Instructions here: http://www.google.com/insidesearch/features/images/searchbyimage.html If you're looking at the photos on a bulb or seed sellers site you can use this image search to locate other sites with the same photo. On one level it lets you find other vendors of a product - large seed growers give their retailers standard photos to promote their products. Another level is that it lets you see if a seller is using their own photo or one from off the inernet. It is not conclusive but someone using a wiki commons photo to sell seed night be less worthy than someone with their own photo. Someone using a photo obviously without permission - perhaps from a rival - might be thought less trustworthy. Another use is identifying your unknown plants - don't expect too much but it does work sometimes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Amaryllis belladonna petal tips Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 22:11:03 +0100 Hi, I took these photos of the petal tips of my amaryllis belladonna yesterday: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Amaryllis/Amaryllis_bella donna_DP24.jpg http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Amaryllis/Amaryllis_bella donna_DP23.jpg it is a barb device with some fuzzy stuff growing on it. Does anyone know what these are called or what they might do? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net From ds429@frontier.com Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1380586347.44421.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Paciic Bulb Society BX 348 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:12:27 -0700 (PDT)   Dear All,          The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared.     If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 348" in the subject line.           Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 -$5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added.        Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:              If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to:   Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA   Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds.               I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !!   From Jerry Lehmann: 1. Small tubers of Typhonium (Sauromatum) venosum   already sprouting - plant immediately. Zone 5 winter hardy in sheltered location (although after 10+ yrs, it's never flowered: some springs it emerges late.) From Ernie De Marie: BULBS: 2. Oxalis conorrhiza (syn. O. andicola), ex Chile Flora 3. Oxalis caprina 4. Oxalis compressa, ex BX 218 5. Oxalis bifurca 6. Oxalis dichotoma 7. Oxalis fabifolia, ex BX 218 8. Oxalis hirta 9. Oxalis luteola, MV 5090 10. Oxalis obtusa, no label 11. Oxalis obtusa, two forms? 12. Oxalis obtusa, no data 13. Oxalis "polyphylla var. heptaphylla" 14. Oxalis simplex 15. Oxalis, no label, probably O. stenorhynca 16. Oxalis sp., MV 7088 From Mary Sue Ittner: BULBS: (all winter growing) 17. Calochortus vestae bulblets 18. Oxalis compressa double 19. Oxalis obtusa coral 20. Lachenalia (Polyxena) longituba 21. Spiloxene capensis From Arnold Trachtenberg: BULBS: 22. Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. praecox (paucinervis?) 23. Narcissus "albidus folius" 24. Narcissus bulbocodium ex Morocco 25. Narcissus bulbocodium "var. genuinus" 26. Narcissus cantabricus 'Silver Palace' 27. Narcissus jonquilla subsp. cordubensis 28. Narcissus 'Firelight Gold' 29. Narcissus cantabricus 'Peppermint' 30. Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. praecox 31. Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane' 32. Narcissus romieuxii "var. mesatlanticus" 33. Narcussus romieuxii x N. cantabricus From Tony Avent: SEED: 34. Crinum macowanii ex Zambia 35. Crinum macowanii ex Malawi 36. Crinum bulbispermum ex 'Jumbo Champagne' 37. Crinum bulbispermum ex Orange River form 38. Crinum bulbispermum ex 'Wow' 39. Crinum [(forbesii x macowanii) x (macowanii x acaule)] 40. Ammocharis coranica Thank you, Jerry, Ernie, Mary Sue, and Tony !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From gastil.buhl@gmail.com Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "M. Gastil-Buhl" Subject: Amaryllis belladonna petal tips Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:50:08 -0700 For years I have admired the Amaryllis without ever noticing these barbs at the tips of the tepals. I had to rush out and check my last few blooming. (The white are still in bloom; the pink faded weeks ago.) I can just barely see these and tried to get a photo but my photo is not as sharp as David's. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gastils_garden/10029134335/ It is hard to imagine what advantage these tiny barbs could serve the flower. Maybe they help a pollinator perch without slipping off? - Gastil From othonna@gmail.com Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: Amaryllis belladonna petal tips Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:39:55 -0700 They have been called "cohering keels" and an illustrated article about them by H. Harold Hume appeared in the Proceedings of the Florida Academy of Sciences (1: 48-57, 1936). His paper looked at Zephyranthes, Crinum and a few others. The idea is that they function like latches and allow the tepals of the closed flower to expand to full size (or nearly so) before opening, and allow the protected androecium and gynoecium to grow close to maturity, until the flower "suddenly" opens when the keels are forced to unlatch because of the irresistible force of the growing tepals. This effect can be seen in slow motion photography of flowers opening, depending on the species. This feature seems to have received little attention from taxonomists, which fact Hume remarked upon, but it is certainly an interesting mechanism. Thanks for sharing the photos! Dylan On 30 September 2013 14:11, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I took these photos of the petal tips of my amaryllis belladonna > yesterday: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Amaryllis/Amaryllis_bella > donna_DP24.jpg > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Amaryllis/Amaryllis_bella > donna_DP23.jpg > > it is a barb device with some fuzzy stuff growing on it. > > Does anyone know what these are called or what they might do? > > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- * "People generally quarrel because they cannot argue." --G. K. Chesterton *