While I was not a member to take advantage of either BX's my son acquired 5 seeds back in June. They were planted the first week of July with germination starting on July 16. Three came up within days of each other while a fourth came up two weeks later. The fifth seed still looks viable and may now be showing signs of life. Got to take the hand lens out. Used captan to prevent damping off. Germinated them outdoors with the orchids. 50% shade cloth, twice daily watering/misting. High air movement supplemented 24/7 with a 1600 cfm fan. Ken Sent from my iPad