Roy you kindly shared material of this form with me a few years ago and mine seem to have got to flowering size a couple of years quicker. I have posted a picture of one with a full size flowering head on the SRGC forum at http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11207.0 It is a really lovely form - thank you! I have already shared seed on the SRGC and AGS seed exchanges, so hopefully this form will soon become more widespread. Paul Cumbleton U.K.