Jane, thank you. I never thought to look for 'Sundisc' in the old H&D lists, regarding our friend Antoine Hoog mainly as a species man; but he is also a plantsman and businessman. And I am a blockhead. Your Blom hybrid sounds wonderful. Paige I don't have the 1996 catalogue, but in the 2000 one On Feb 15, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> wrote: > Regarding Paige Woodward's inquiry: > Here is a quote from an old descriptive catalog, copyright 1996, > prepared by Antoine Hoog when he was in business with Jan Dix: > > "'Sundisc' raised by Mr W. P. van Eeden from a 'Pagoda' seedling; > exciting new hybrid; flowers slightly darker than in 'Pagoda'' less > drooping so making the inside better visible; leaves brown, very dark > and unusual, could prove to be very effective in bedding displays." > > Further to this, 'Pagoda' is a hybrid of Erythronium tuolumnense and > E. californicum 'White Beauty'. Apparently the pollen parent of > 'Sundisc' is not recorded, but it might be 'Pagoda' selfed. I don't > know whether Erythronium is self-fertile. I have not found 'Sundisc' > to increase as well as 'Citronella' and 'Pagoda'. > > Incidentally, just this morning I saw germinating seedlings from seed > I saved of a beautiful small pink-flowered Erythronium hybrid raised > by Walter Blom and later purchased and propagated for sale by Diana > Reeck of Collectors Nursery. I assume one of the parents of the Blom > hybrid is E. revolutum, but the hybrid's flowers are lighter in color > and more profuse. I don't know whether the seed I obtained is selfed > or perhaps the pollen parent was some other plant, but there are no > other erythroniums in the immediate vicinity of this plant. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > > > At 09:59 PM 2/14/2014, Paige wrote: >> One parent of the robust Erythronium hybrid 'Sundisc' is E. >> tuolumnense. I am willing to take this for granted. Is the rest of >> its ancestry registered, or plausibly published, somewhere? I've >> been wandering online through Sargassos of recopied blither. >> >> All may be plain to those of you who know about registering >> cultivated plants. I am out in the weeds of species. >> >> Given the fox-colored throat markings of 'Sundisc', my chief >> suspects for the other parent are two species with similar throat >> markings: E. oregonum and E. californicum, both white-flowered. All >> three species are broadly within wild range of each other, given an >> Olympics-caliber flying pollinator; but perhaps this is a garden cross. >> >> 'Sundisc' is so very robust and vigorous that it is tempting to >> imagine the almost as vigorous selection E. californicum 'White >> Beauty' as the other parent. On the other hand, E. oregonum >> sometimes has tepals with backs as green as those of 'Sundisc'. >> >> But there is no saying (is there?) that only two species are involved. >> >> Please speak up if you know the story of 'Sundisc'. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/