pbs Digest, Vol 132, Issue 12

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Crinum americanum seed (Kipp McMichael)
   2. Zephyranthes in southern Baja California - request for ID
      (Gastil Gastil-Buhl)
   3.  Zephyranthes in southern Baja California - request for ID
      (James SHIELDS)
   4. Re: Massonia that's blooming (Leo A. Martin)
   5. Re: Massonia that's blooming (Kipp McMichael)
   6. Re: Massonia that's blooming (Karl Church)
   7. Re: Massonia that's blooming (Karl Church)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:20:51 -0800
From: Kipp McMichael <kimcmich@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum americanum seed
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Greetings,

  I have returned from Florida with a few dozen Crinum americanum seeds (with collection data!) I'll send them off to Dell tomorrow. The seeds are very large (strawberry-sized) and various levels of freshness - from pods that were just starting to decompose to seeds from thoroughly dried pods plus a few shriveled seeds with bulbils attached.

  I actually made two separate collections. The larger collection was of seeds from plants in a roadside ditch in Collier County, FL. Various plants were in all stages - from bloom to ripened seed pods - so the ID for these is quite certain. As a bonus at this site, the dryer area behind the ditch had Hymenocallis sp in bloom as well (but no seeds of these).

  The smaller collection actually preceded the larger collection and was from a Mangrove key at the edge of the Gulf of Mexico. The site was the dry, sandy "upland" of the island about 2-3 feet above sea level. The bulbs here were set much deeper and none were in-bloom. I initially took the plants for some other amaryllid since they have only a few live leaves  - but once I found a shriveled seeds with bulbils attached the id resolved to C. americanum (it also made sense later when I discovered how common the species was upstream of these islands in wetlands that drain toward the Gulf).

  I'll be sending the seeds and bulbils to Dell tomorrow.

-|<ipp
     

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:36:42 -0800
From: Gastil Gastil-Buhl <gastil.buhl@gmail.com>
Subject: [pbs] Zephyranthes in southern Baja California - request for
ID
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Jos? Luis Le?n de la Luz, an investigator from CIBNOR, has found a Zephranthes in the southern Baja California peninsula which does not resemble the species described for that location. He asks if it might be recognized.

A photo of the unidentified Zephyranthes is posted on the mystery bulbs page 
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

Also a photo of Z. arenicola is posted for comparison. The unidentified one does not match with Z. longifolia, which is reported as a second species in Baja California. 

Please respond to this list, or the comment form on the mystery bulb page.

- Gastil 

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 18:50:21 -0500
From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com>
Subject: [pbs]  Zephyranthes in southern Baja California - request for
ID
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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It would help to have measurements (in mm and cm) for the parts of the
flowers, the peduncle, the pedicel, and the spathe bract.  Images of the
leaves would also aid.

Jim Shields


At 06:36 PM 1/8/2014, you wrote:
Jos? Luis Le?n de la Luz, an investigator from CIBNOR, has found a
Zephranthes in the southern Baja California peninsula which does not
resemble the species described for that location. He asks if it might be
recognized.

A photo of the unidentified Zephyranthes is posted on the mystery bulbs
page
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

Also a photo of Z. arenicola is posted for comparison. The unidentified one
does not match with Z. longifolia, which is reported as a second species in
Baja California.

Please respond to this list, or the comment form on the mystery bulb page.

- Gastil


-- 
James Shields             jshields46074@gmail.com
P.O. Box 92
Westfield, IN 46074
U.S.A.


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 17:01:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Leo A. Martin" <leo@possi.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia that's blooming
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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Karl wrote

> ...our nights have been below freezing for the last month
> & I haven't seen anything to make me think that's going
> to change for several more weeks. Will it tolerate those
> kind of temps? Our days are quite nice being 55-65 ?F.

You don't say how low... I haven't grown M. sp. Vleesbei but I've grown an assortment of
other species, hybrids and unknowns. None, adults nor seedlings, has been damaged by
overnight temperatures into the mid teens F / -9 or -10C. It always gets well above
freezing here the next day. I will come out in the morning and the leaves will be frozen
like icicles or thin sheets of ice. I have to be careful not to fracture them. They thaw
out and act like nothing happened. Perhaps don't put all your plants out this winter but
try it with a few. I have learned from Massonia whose pots broke that they can be moved
easily while in active growth if a little care be taken.

And to all of you growing Massonia in 3/4 inch / 2cm diameter pots: Most of these are
large plants that look so much better in large containers or in the ground, if you have
space and the proper climate. Some species can make leaves as large as salad or dinner
plates. I use "1 gallon" US nursery containers for each bulb. The leaves grow far past
the rim.

Leo Martin
Phoenix Arizona USA



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 17:11:36 -0800
From: Kipp McMichael <kimcmich@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia that's blooming
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Greetings,

  I can second Leo's comment that Massonia of various species - particularly M. pustulata - can withstand temps well below freezing unphased. We recently had record-setting cold here in Berkeley and, with radiation frost adding to the heat-loss, seedling pots I had in my backyard reached temps below 25F with no damage to the seedlings. Adults in a slightly colder situation also showed no damage. One thing I did notice, however, was that bulbs that had been moved and showed some sun-burn damage before the cold did show leaf damage from the freeze. These same plants were unphased by similar temps last winter, so I think the sun-damaged tissue was less frost-tolerant. That said, I might wait until next winter to test your own bulbs outside unless you can be certain the move won't cause any sun damage to the leaves that might make them more prone to frost damage.

-|<ipp

> None, adults nor seedlings, has been damaged by
> overnight temperatures into the mid teens F / -9 or -10C. 
     

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 18:32:42 -0800
From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia that's blooming
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Thanks Leo
They temps lately have been just below freezing so I will put it outside on
my south facing front porch where it will get direct sunlight all day.

Karl
On Jan 8, 2014 5:02 PM, "Leo A. Martin" <leo@possi.org> wrote:

> Karl wrote
>
> > ...our nights have been below freezing for the last month
> > & I haven't seen anything to make me think that's going
> > to change for several more weeks. Will it tolerate those
> > kind of temps? Our days are quite nice being 55-65 ?F.
>
> You don't say how low... I haven't grown M. sp. Vleesbei but I've grown an
> assortment of
> other species, hybrids and unknowns. None, adults nor seedlings, has been
> damaged by
> overnight temperatures into the mid teens F / -9 or -10C. It always gets
> well above
> freezing here the next day. I will come out in the morning and the leaves
> will be frozen
> like icicles or thin sheets of ice. I have to be careful not to fracture
> them. They thaw
> out and act like nothing happened. Perhaps don't put all your plants out
> this winter but
> try it with a few. I have learned from Massonia whose pots broke that they
> can be moved
> easily while in active growth if a little care be taken.
>
> And to all of you growing Massonia in 3/4 inch / 2cm diameter pots: Most
> of these are
> large plants that look so much better in large containers or in the
> ground, if you have
> space and the proper climate. Some species can make leaves as large as
> salad or dinner
> plates. I use "1 gallon" US nursery containers for each bulb. The leaves
> grow far past
> the rim.
>
> Leo Martin
> Phoenix Arizona USA
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 18:36:18 -0800
From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Massonia that's blooming
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Thanks Kipp for your comments. I'll be put this plant outside on a south
facing porch where it can get direct sunlight all day.

Karl
On Jan 8, 2014 5:12 PM, "Kipp McMichael" <kimcmich@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
>   I can second Leo's comment that Massonia of various species -
> particularly M. pustulata - can withstand temps well below freezing
> unphased. We recently had record-setting cold here in Berkeley and, with
> radiation frost adding to the heat-loss, seedling pots I had in my backyard
> reached temps below 25F with no damage to the seedlings. Adults in a
> slightly colder situation also showed no damage. One thing I did notice,
> however, was that bulbs that had been moved and showed some sun-burn damage
> before the cold did show leaf damage from the freeze. These same plants
> were unphased by similar temps last winter, so I think the sun-damaged
> tissue was less frost-tolerant. That said, I might wait until next winter
> to test your own bulbs outside unless you can be certain the move won't
> cause any sun damage to the leaves that might make them more prone to frost
> damage.
>
> -|<ipp
>
> > None, adults nor seedlings, has been damaged by
> > overnight temperatures into the mid teens F / -9 or -10C.
>
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