Hi Robin, Thanks for the great info. The only way I would (now) use the neo-nics, is in a controlled environment where no critters would have access to the flowers or pollen. In the fall when I start the mass exodus back into the house, I treat them with Bayer just in case some of those little suckers sneak in between the leaves but now I thinking of switching to a pyrethrum-based pesticide all together. Thanks, Fred Cambridge, MA -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of robin@hansennursery.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:26 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Mealy bug tragedy Bayer also makes a pyrethrum-based (synthetic, I think) granular product for use on lawns for grubs and things and I have had good success with that. The important part is to water in well and thoroughly. I've quit using the "neo-nics". Also some products meant for drenching can work as well. Reading labels will help you decide which ones. I was desperate enough once to drench an entire small greenhouse. The best part was, it worked! Robin Hansen North Bend, OR on the southwest coast where it's pouring, as in 1 inch so far