I am curious. Over the years I have received and grown the Z. katherinae Jacala red several times. However, the flower looks like the Z. katherinae rubra in Thad Howard's book. Certainly the ones I have are not the real red as the Jacala Red. Does ANYONE have the real Jacala Red? And isn't it time that the rubra is passed around as rubra? Not wrongly labelled, although on most people's part they probably don't realise they do not have the real Jacala Red. If anyone does have the real one, please send me an email privately. Ina -- Ina Crossley Auckland New Zealand zone 10a