Voronof's snowdrop

Madge Oswald johnmadge@chugach.net
Wed, 03 Sep 2014 09:16:41 PDT
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> On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:43 AM, Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You deny the history and evolution of language, and the reason for
> different letters. The fact remains that some spoken sounds are constant as
> in "sh" and in others the sound changes as it is produced due to changing
> the mouth's shape, -as in "sch". "k" and "qu" also have this difference
> "(see the answer from Aad).
> If you have heard Chaucer or other 'middle' English spoken fluently you
> will understand that there is good reason for all our odd spellings, and a
> lot of the sounds are still mildly pronounced in English on this side of
> the atlantic
> Peter (UK)
> 
> 
>> On 3 September 2014 09:49, Kipp McMichael <kimcmich@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Peter,
>>  The phonemic inventories of both American and British english contain a
>> single, voiceless velar stop: [k]. The voiceless velar stop in English does
>> show variation in exact point of articulation depending on what phonemes
>> precede and follow. This variation occurs within the speech instances of a
>> single speaker, between different speakers of the same dialect, and
>> certainly across dialects (of which there are many in both the UK and the
>> US). These articulatory differences, however, are not systematic. They do
>> not represent a phonemic distinction. Attempting to enunciate a difference
>> would be better labelled "synthetic" rather than "good".
>> -Kipp
>> 
>>> From: petersirises@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> no, the "k" and "q" are made with different parts of the mouth, it is not
>>> just the "u" which makes them sound different. The k is produced with the
>>> middle of the tounge against the palette and the tip of the tounge well
>>> down. The "q" is made with the back of the tounge and the tip of the
>> tounge
>>> held up.
>>> Equally  with "sh" and "sch" the sounds are created differently. This
>>> disregard for pronunciation, despite good enunciation, makes many
>> American
>>> accents sound crass  to english speakers in Britain.
>>> Peter (UK)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2 September 2014 23:26, penstemon <penstemon@q.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> and do you pronounce "kilt and "quilt" as indistinguishable too? In
>> British
>>>> English, for these, the mouth shapes differently and produces different
>>>> sounds.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In American English, too. "Kilt", and "kwilt". (I hardly ever use
>> either
>>>> word.)
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