Well, I don't seem to be getting too many answers, perhaps everyone is exhausted, but thank you Mark for the red list. For my own satisfaction & against my best instincts, I went to the Cites site to see for myself. L. ledebourii is not listed in either Appendix 1, 2, or 3. However, Podophylum hexandrum is (?, Appendix 2), as are "fragrant frogs". I've never heard of them before but I absolutely want a breeding pair for my garden. I never realised that there were such things, thank you, Cites bureaucrats. However, I am disappointed that the members of our list who, allegedly, are members of our enforcement agencies have not taken this golden opportunity to prevent a crime, or perhaps a guilty conscience in the absence of a crime. I'm going to talk with Mohammad & try to import some seed, there, I've said it, out loud. Robin Bell