Jane: Sound absolutely fascinating. I've seem aluminum casts made of the nests somewhere. Just pour molten metal down the hole and then dig it up. Yucatan sound like a great place to garden. Was there many years ago in Merida and chichen itza. Here we have the four legged leaf cutter pests that eat everything. Arnold New Jersey On 12/11/16, Jane Sargent wrote: I agree that Urginia isn?t an ideal plant for the Yucatan peninsula, and neither is Cimicifuga racemosa. Heliconias never fail, however. Yes, it?s interesting having a second garden in the tropics, but some of the same rules apply that work in Massachusetts: 1) Grow what wants to grow there. I don?t want to run a botanical intensive care unit. Native plants are good. 2) If it grows well for my neighbors, it will grow well for me. I trade a lot of plants. It?s also a way to meet people. 3) Drainage, drainage, drainage. 4) I avoid plants I know will be eaten. I have armies of leafcutter ants. They can turn a hibiscus to twigs overnight. It?s like something in National Geographic. They live in huge underground nests where they cultivate fungus. A Mayan plantsman suggested I pour a can of gasoline down the hole, drop in a match, and run like hell. He said very few ants would remain in the crater. Jane On 08/12/2016 09:34 p. m., pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: lifting bulbs for winter (Linda Foulis) > 2. Re: lifting bulbs for winter (Nicholas plummer) > 3. Urginea maritima (Johannes Ulrich Urban) > 4. Re: Urginea maritima (Jim McKenney) > 5. Re: lifting bulbs for winter (Tim Eck) > 6. Re: lifting bulbs for winter (ds429) > 7. Re: Bulbs reforming (arcangelo wessells) > 8. possibly off topic (Tim Eck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 09:04:44 -0700 > From: Linda Foulis <lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter > Message-ID: > <C54B46A4-8C72-453A-B19C-C4BE89A02100@beautifulblooms.ab.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Dennis, > I wonder if your hippeastrum succumbed to something else? Or there were contributing factors besides cold. Mine have experienced light frost, a few degrees lower, and survived. Mine are all in pots as well. > Shame, I don't like losing my hippies either. > > It's a crisp -27C (-16F) this morning, fortunately no wind. > > Linda M Foulis > Beautiful Blooms > http://www.beautifulblooms.ab.ca/ > >> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 11:13:07 -0500 > From: Nicholas plummer <nickplummer@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter > Message-ID: > <CAJQ9fxVR6U1P=B34uoXhFhQvbQhQLH5-GvAiW7ns51A_FT8g+g@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Dennis, > > Rodophiala bifida, at least the red form known as "ox blood lily," is an > autumn/winter grower. My plants follow roughly the same schedule as > Lycoris radiata, leafing out in late September or early October and staying > green all winter. The foliage dies back when the weather warms up in the > spring. If you can't keep it in the ground all winter, I think you'll have > to grow it permanently as a potted plant. It probably won't appreciate > annual disturbance during its growing season, and there's not much point in > planting it outside just for the summer dormancy. > > Nick Plummer > Durham, NC, USDA Zone 7 > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Dennis Krambwrote: > >> Also much to my surprise (since this is my first year growing them) >> Rhodophiala bifida were as happy as can be & still growing strong with deep >> green leaves. Whereas all my other amaryllids have foliage completely >> zapped down to the ground. >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 21:04:53 +0100 > From: Johannes Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de> > To: Pacifib Bulb Society messages <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] Urginea maritima > Message-ID: <6d00f32f-4a62-3cac-4b90-754514c7776e@t-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello Jane, > > Interesting that you garden in two VERY different places, I imagine your > Mexican garden very interesting. I have been to Mexico twice with a long > time in between the trips and found the country extremely intersting > botanically and culturally. But I have not been to Yucatan. > > However, I think that Urginea maritima will not grow there as it is a > typical mediterranean bulb with the leaves emerging in late autumn after > the winter rain has started and drying off in spring when it gets warm > again. Mediterranean winters are cool, almost frost free and wet. In > general it is the onset of warm weather that sends the bulb into > dormancy, so that may be the problem in Yucatan. The bulb will "think" > that it is summer (dormancy) all the time. It flowers in early autumn > before the rains start in a leafless state and a large field of flowers > is an impressive sight indeed. Also impressive are the huge bulbs that > sometimes are only half buried in the ground and are well visible this way. > > Bye for today, > > > Uli > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 20:48:57 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Urginea maritima > Message-ID: <1581294824.694011.1481230137842@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Uli wrote:"a large field of flowers? > is an impressive sight indeed. Also impressive are the huge bulbs that? > sometimes are only half buried in the ground and are well visible this way." > > Also impressive is the foliage. My plant, obtained as a huge bulb in the fall of 2015, did not bloom yet; and given the conditions I can offer it, it might never bloom. (I'm growing it as a house plant).?But if you've got the space, it's a very handsome foliage plant.? > Earlier in this thread, Eugene forwarded a request from Erica for organically produced Urginea maritima. No one has commented on this, so I will. It's the "organically produced" part which intrigues me. I hope it's not intended for human consumption. Urginea maritima is traditionally used as a rat poison, isn't it? A quick wikipedia?check confirmed that, but also informed me that it has purported medicinal uses.? > > Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where the first big temperature drop of the season might happen tomorrow morning.? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 16:21:59 -0500 > From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter > Message-ID: <00e801d25199$1f81c490$5e854db0$@embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My Rhodo. Bifida seem to survive a wet zone 6 winter very well outdoors. > I think the cold wet winter would do in all of my hippeastrum. I am trying > to overwinter some hipps in a white plastic (15% transmission) cold-frame > this year, but they definitely require drying out first. > > Tim Eck > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Kramb >> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 9:41 AM >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Subject: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter >> >> Yesterday I lifted my tender bulbs & geophytes to store them indoors for >> winter. >> >> Much to my surprise one Hippeastrum bulb had already succumbed to winter >> cold & was turning mushy. That upsets me because the temps have barely >> dropped below 30 deg F so far, and this is one I raised from seed years > ago. >> Also much to my surprise (since this is my first year growing them) >> Rhodophiala bifida were as happy as can be & still growing strong with > deep >> green leaves. Whereas all my other amaryllids have foliage completely >> zapped down to the ground. >> >> My Manfreda maculosa were surprisingly green & happy. I didn't expect > that >> from a Texas plant in Ohio. But I brought them indoors too, just in case. >> >> Another surprise was that 2 Polianthes "Golden Harvest" had bloomed this >> season without me ever noticing. But there were the dead stalks in > evidence, >> plain as day. How annoying to have missed it! >> >> Since the Rhodophiala were actively growing I potted them up & placed them >> on a windowsill for winter. >> >> Dennis in Cincinnati (where the wind chill is at 15 deg F right now) > BRRRRR!!!! >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 22:09:25 +0000 (UTC) > From: ds429 <ds429@frontier.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter > Message-ID: <1335909091.732036.1481234965024@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have been pleasantly surprised to have my Rhodophiala bifida survive several winters when it went well below zero here in North-central West Virginia (Zone 5/6?) and multiply and bloom profusely. > > Dell > > ---------------------------------------- > On Thu, 12/8/16, Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> wrote: > > Subject: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Date: Thursday, December 8, 2016, 9:41 AM > > Yesterday I lifted my tender bulbs > & geophytes to store them indoors for > winter. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 15:30:50 -0800 > From: arcangelo wessells <arcangelow@yahoo.com> > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs reforming > Message-ID: <57E087A0-DB06-4F0D-9700-2215829545EB@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I should have been more specific. I am particularly interested in the growth patterns of the Calochortus and Brodiaea > Jim > > > > Hi Jim, > I am attaching links to two photos that may help with your question. > https://flic.kr/p/zoA8tn/ > https://flic.kr/p/PQLvKa/ > In both photos you can see the trail of obsolete bulb coats from previous years as they have pulled themselves deeper. You can also see the white of the current bulb moving out of the bottom of the most recent coat. Some of the bulbs had started to grow roots at this time. They continue to use the same "neck" as a conduit for their leaves to reach the surface. Leaf tips can emerge bent and twisted if they had the old neck removed. > I just went outside and unpotted two plants. One was probably flowering size, seven years old but was never fed in its early years. Both bulbs look like they are devoting themselves fully to growth. I do not know if they will move and remake their bulb coat before summer dormancy, but I would think so. > Not an answer, but I hope it helps. > > Arcangelo Wessells > Vallejo CA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 20:10:35 -0500 > From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com> > To: "PBS list" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] possibly off topic > Message-ID: <001001d251b9$0ca909d0$25fb1d70$@embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > All, > > I recently came across a book that would probably appeal to most PBS members > although the topic is geophytic only by a stretch of imagination. "Field > Guide to North American Truffles" > > I was surprised that there were north American truffles as they had not > appeared in my mushroom hunting guides of yore. I was also surprised that, > unlike mushrooms, the (raw) spores are indigestible and they are designed to > be eaten (especially by voles). The introductory pages says they are mostly > basidiomycetes and ascomycetes that evolved from the above-ground mushrooms > with wind-born spores. Hence, the appealing aromas that increase as the > spores mature so animals can find them better. > > Happy Truffle Hunting! > > Tim Eck > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 167, Issue 2 > ***********************************